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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 18:02:03 GMT
More reaction to May's visit
Posted at 18:58
Some more reaction to Theresa May's visit to St Clement's Church, Kensington.
One woman, wiping tears away, said: "Everyone has lost everything and no one is doing nothing. This is our town."
Another man, who did not give his name, told police: "It's not your fault, she shouldn't have come.
"What did she expect was going to happen. What did she bring, what useful things did she bring?"
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 16, 2017 18:12:52 GMT
I'm guessing you're not going to copy the question he was asked then. I'll take my own conclusions from that.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2017 18:13:23 GMT
Some big supporters and websites with close links have been spreading fake news re D-Notices on the number of deaths, each time you think they've hit rock bottom they crash on through and keep going lower. Let's take a wild guess where you've had that story from www.order-order.com/2017/06/16/corbynistas-peddle-grenfell-d-notice-fake-news/amp/Not websites with close links to Labour. Any more than any media outlet that gets tip offs from people in the Labour party. Including dear old Guido. Why are you more bothered with attacking Corbyn than you are with discussing the victims and those living in similar housing, fyd? It's almost as if you're politicising the issue. Thanks for your interest and more proof of what I was saying but here is where I got the information from
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 18:17:20 GMT
I'm guessing you're not going to copy the question he was asked then. I'll take my own conclusions from that. If you go on the streem you can see it for yourself before any questions were asked he said no comment
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 18:25:36 GMT
Let's take a wild guess where you've had that story from www.order-order.com/2017/06/16/corbynistas-peddle-grenfell-d-notice-fake-news/amp/Not websites with close links to Labour. Any more than any media outlet that gets tip offs from people in the Labour party. Including dear old Guido. Why are you more bothered with attacking Corbyn than you are with discussing the victims and those living in similar housing, fyd? It's almost as if you're politicising the issue. Thanks for your interest and more proof of what I was saying but here is where I got the information from Still spinning away. You'll go dizzy.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 18:25:48 GMT
Let's take a wild guess where you've had that story from www.order-order.com/2017/06/16/corbynistas-peddle-grenfell-d-notice-fake-news/amp/Not websites with close links to Labour. Any more than any media outlet that gets tip offs from people in the Labour party. Including dear old Guido. Why are you more bothered with attacking Corbyn than you are with discussing the victims and those living in similar housing, fyd? It's almost as if you're politicising the issue. Thanks for your interest and more proof of what I was saying but here is where I got the information from yep Rupert myers who works for the torygraph!
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Post by Northy on Jun 16, 2017 18:37:45 GMT
Nail and head More deflection. No one has blamed either of those people for the fire. Did any policy decisions increase the number of casualties? Or allow inappropriate construction materials to be used? Does the previous Labour administration carry any blame? There are loads of searching questions that need answering in the full light of day. What is scandalous is that the building - for whatever reason - was unfit for human habitation. Profits appear to have been put before lives. Victims deserve some initial answers very quickly. And people living in similar buildings need whatever is required to bring their homes up to standard even more quickly. deflection from what? i havent seen the news so didnt realise the inquiry has been completed already and the report issued. people slagging off May for not visiting the victims and then saying things need to be done quickly, as Ive said elsewhere do people think she was at home watching daytime tv and not holding meetings/discussions about this? If she'd been wandering around hospitals people would slag her off for not getting on with sorting things out quickly
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Post by dexta on Jun 16, 2017 18:40:04 GMT
More deflection. No one has blamed either of those people for the fire. Did any policy decisions increase the number of casualties? Or allow inappropriate construction materials to be used? Does the previous Labour administration carry any blame? There are loads of searching questions that need answering in the full light of day. What is scandalous is that the building - for whatever reason - was unfit for human habitation. Profits appear to have been put before lives. Victims deserve some initial answers very quickly. And people living in similar buildings need whatever is required to bring their homes up to standard even more quickly. deflection from what? i havent seen the news so didnt realise the inquiry has been completed already and the report issued. people slagging off May for not visiting the victims and then saying things need to be done quickly, as Ive said elsewhere do people think she was at home watching daytime tv and not holding meetings/discussions about this? If she'd been wandering around hospitals people would slag her off for not getting on with sorting things out quickly may is a heartless cow...obviously youre a tory
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 18:47:49 GMT
Fire Brigades Union general secretary Matt Wrack has been addressing a protest in Westminster, central London, demanding answers over the Grenfell disaster.
He has said that the brigade is grappling with the legacy of cuts including station closures and the removal of fire engines.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2017 18:47:52 GMT
Thanks for your interest and more proof of what I was saying but here is where I got the information from yep Rupert myers who works for the torygraph! The Sun, Mirror, Guardian were all saying it was garbage the telegraph just referenced of of jezza's besties.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2017 18:48:35 GMT
deflection from what? i havent seen the news so didnt realise the inquiry has been completed already and the report issued. people slagging off May for not visiting the victims and then saying things need to be done quickly, as Ive said elsewhere do people think she was at home watching daytime tv and not holding meetings/discussions about this? If she'd been wandering around hospitals people would slag her off for not getting on with sorting things out quickly may is a heartless cow...obviously youre a tory The Hillsborough families say differently.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2017 18:49:25 GMT
Fire Brigades Union general secretary Matt Wrack has been addressing a protest in Westminster, central London, demanding answers over the Grenfell disaster. He has said that the brigade is grappling with the legacy of cuts including station closures and the removal of fire engines. The Mayer report and Sadiq Khan say differently.
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 18:50:51 GMT
More deflection. No one has blamed either of those people for the fire. Did any policy decisions increase the number of casualties? Or allow inappropriate construction materials to be used? Does the previous Labour administration carry any blame? There are loads of searching questions that need answering in the full light of day. What is scandalous is that the building - for whatever reason - was unfit for human habitation. Profits appear to have been put before lives. Victims deserve some initial answers very quickly. And people living in similar buildings need whatever is required to bring their homes up to standard even more quickly. deflection from what? i havent seen the news so didnt realise the inquiry has been completed already and the report issued. people slagging off May for not visiting the victims and then saying things need to be done quickly, as Ive said elsewhere do people think she was at home watching daytime tv and not holding meetings/discussions about this? If she'd been wandering around hospitals people would slag her off for not getting on with sorting things out quickly Right. I'm not really that arsed about Theresa May if I'm honest. For the record, I don't think she's handled this terribly well and I think this will precipitate the end of her reign but anyway. The more pressing concern, as I've said in other posts, is to help victims, answer their questions and bring other similar homes up to standard quickly.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 18:51:08 GMT
Man jailed for posting pictures of victim online
Posted at 19:47
A man has been given a three-month prison sentence after admitting posting images of one of the victims of the Grenfell Tower fire on social media.
Omega Mwaikambo, 43, pleaded guilty at Westminster Magistrates' Court to two offences contrary to section 127 of the Communications Act, Scotland Yard said.
Mwaikambo, of Testerton Walk, west London, was arrested over images posted online which appeared to show a partially-covered body.
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 18:54:28 GMT
yep Rupert myers who works for the torygraph! The Sun, Mirror, Guardian were all saying it was garbage the telegraph just referenced of of jezza's besties. Still more bothered about smearing Jeremy Corbyn than thinking about the victims. Still trying to politicise the tragedy.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 16, 2017 19:00:08 GMT
The Sun, Mirror, Guardian were all saying it was garbage the telegraph just referenced of of jezza's besties. Still more bothered about smearing Jeremy Corbyn than thinking about the victims. Still trying to politicise the tragedy. If you wanted to take all the politics out of this thread & have it soley talking about the victims, well, it'd be about half-a-dozen posts long.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2017 19:01:04 GMT
The Sun, Mirror, Guardian were all saying it was garbage the telegraph just referenced of of jezza's besties. Still more bothered about smearing Jeremy Corbyn than thinking about the victims. Still trying to politicise the tragedy. Zzzźzzzz
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Post by Northy on Jun 16, 2017 19:19:50 GMT
deflection from what? i havent seen the news so didnt realise the inquiry has been completed already and the report issued. people slagging off May for not visiting the victims and then saying things need to be done quickly, as Ive said elsewhere do people think she was at home watching daytime tv and not holding meetings/discussions about this? If she'd been wandering around hospitals people would slag her off for not getting on with sorting things out quickly may is a heartless cow...obviously youre a tory such an intelligent response and contribution to the discussion, well done.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 19:21:10 GMT
Fire Brigades Union general secretary Matt Wrack has been addressing a protest in Westminster, central London, demanding answers over the Grenfell disaster. He has said that the brigade is grappling with the legacy of cuts including station closures and the removal of fire engines. The Mayer report and Sadiq Khan say differently. From the mayer report you like to quote £23.5 million budget gap inherited from Mayor Johnson Recommendation 2: The LFB and the Mayoralty should continue to monitor performance data closely, to be ready to mitigate any unacceptable negative impacts arising from cuts in frontline resources made by Mayor Johnson and to address any changes in demand. Among other things, monitoring could be focused on adverse trends in fire deaths, the ability of the LFB to attend multiple incidents and FRU attendance times.
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 19:26:10 GMT
Still more bothered about smearing Jeremy Corbyn than thinking about the victims. Still trying to politicise the tragedy. If you wanted to take all the politics out of this thread & have it soley talking about the victims, well, it'd be about half-a-dozen posts long. Every post of yours would be gone for starters. You've only discussed the reputation of individual politicians on here. I'm not sure you can dissociate politics from social housing policy if I'm honest. But it wasn't me that first called for that. Go tell it to fyd and others.
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 19:26:59 GMT
Still more bothered about smearing Jeremy Corbyn than thinking about the victims. Still trying to politicise the tragedy. Zzzźzzzz And still.
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Post by Northy on Jun 16, 2017 19:30:41 GMT
Fire Brigades Union general secretary Matt Wrack has been addressing a protest in Westminster, central London, demanding answers over the Grenfell disaster. He has said that the brigade is grappling with the legacy of cuts including station closures and the removal of fire engines. Which beggars belief to how so many engines got there in 8 minutes or so that I had seen reported. It would be how much back up is available when a large incident is going on.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 16, 2017 19:31:43 GMT
If you wanted to take all the politics out of this thread & have it soley talking about the victims, well, it'd be about half-a-dozen posts long. Every post of yours would be gone for starters. You've only discussed the reputation of individual politicians on here. I'm not sure you can dissociate politics from social housing policy if I'm honest. But it wasn't me that first called for that. Go tell it to fyd and others. Eh? I haven't discussed any politician on this thread, baring when I asked Essex what question someone was asked. Nice try though.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2017 19:33:15 GMT
The Mayer report and Sadiq Khan say differently. From the mayer report you like to quote £23.5 million budget gap inherited from Mayor Johnson Recommendation 2: The LFB and the Mayoralty should continue to monitor performance data closely, to be ready to mitigate any unacceptable negative impacts arising from cuts in frontline resources made by Mayor Johnson and to address any changes in demand. Among other things, monitoring could be focused on adverse trends in fire deaths, the ability of the LFB to attend multiple incidents and FRU attendance times. So has the Mayor not been monitoring properly or are the FBU lying by trying to bring cuts into it ? It's only after the fire that this has been bought up.
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 19:33:49 GMT
Every post of yours would be gone for starters. You've only discussed the reputation of individual politicians on here. I'm not sure you can dissociate politics from social housing policy if I'm honest. But it wasn't me that first called for that. Go tell it to fyd and others. Eh? I haven't discussed any politician on this thread, baring when I asked Essex what question someone was asked. Nice try though. Yes that's the one. Gavin Barwell. Not trying anything. Just stating a fact.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2017 19:33:59 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jun 16, 2017 19:34:08 GMT
deflection from what? i havent seen the news so didnt realise the inquiry has been completed already and the report issued. people slagging off May for not visiting the victims and then saying things need to be done quickly, as Ive said elsewhere do people think she was at home watching daytime tv and not holding meetings/discussions about this? If she'd been wandering around hospitals people would slag her off for not getting on with sorting things out quickly Right. I'm not really that arsed about Theresa May if I'm honest. For the record, I don't think she's handled this terribly well and I think this will precipitate the end of her reign but anyway. The more pressing concern, as I've said in other posts, is to help victims, answer their questions and bring other similar homes up to standard quickly. exactly, too much energy being put into negativity instead of positive energy to help get things sorted
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 19:36:23 GMT
From the mayer report you like to quote £23.5 million budget gap inherited from Mayor Johnson Recommendation 2: The LFB and the Mayoralty should continue to monitor performance data closely, to be ready to mitigate any unacceptable negative impacts arising from cuts in frontline resources made by Mayor Johnson and to address any changes in demand. Among other things, monitoring could be focused on adverse trends in fire deaths, the ability of the LFB to attend multiple incidents and FRU attendance times. So has the Mayor not been monitoring properly or are the FBU lying by trying to bring cuts into it ? It's only after the fire that this has been bought up. Now you cast innuendo about the integrity of the first responders. What was it you said earlier about 'just when you thought they couldn't get any lower', or whatever it was?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 16, 2017 19:37:45 GMT
Eh? I haven't discussed any politician on this thread, baring when I asked Essex what question someone was asked. Nice try though. Yes that's the one. Gavin Barwell. Not trying anything. Just stating a fact. What 'fact'? The 'fact' that I never mentioned anything about the person in question and only enquired what question he'd been asked?
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 19:37:47 GMT
Still not a word of sympathy...
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