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Post by jeycov on Jun 16, 2017 7:14:28 GMT
Another public inquiry ruse. It allows politicians to say we're looking into it, musn't speculate- the news moves on, people forget- mission accomplished. At least she isn't saying enough is enough without actually changing anything this time. The inquiry needs to be independent imo
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 16, 2017 7:19:16 GMT
Tom PeckVerified account @tompeck Follow More Tom Peck Retweeted Tom Peck The Times says the "fire resistant" panels cost £24. The flammable £22. Making the building non-flammable would have cost £5K more. Stunned. This is the end of the age of austerity, mate. The mood everywhere is turning. Even bigger I reckon. I think they made a huge mistake in 2010 making the poor pay the price because it's made a target of the whole project which still largely progressed under New Labour. This fire encapsulates so many of the negatives of the state shrinking policies of the last 30 years, no wonder they want to kick it into the long grass. Fortunately, they can barely control the narrative any more and patience is very thin.
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Post by felonious on Jun 16, 2017 7:21:58 GMT
Explain this mumf bit. I don't call you cunf. You have to bring me having a go at Muslims which I didn't. And I only have a problem with the ones who have a problem with the western way of life. You said poor people, then reel off the list so it was not clear. Folk shouldn't use the tragedy to have a go at whose in government though. Things happen under different governments the world over. I'm sorry I've tried to not turn this political until yesterday afternoon when I heard that our so caring PM (sarcasm) couldn't even meat with the victims of the blaze. Then last night after watching news night were tory politicians tried to blame the resident's, for not wanting sprinklers (the council leader) then a tory mp blame the election that they called for no legislation coming through when they have had 4 years since a report came out I find totally disgusting and they should hang there head in shame if you don't believe me or want to see for yourself watch news night on I player link warning parts are harrowing Is this true? I'm sure that posts were removed the day after this terrible event because you were desperate to politicise it.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 7:25:10 GMT
Now saying that the cuts to fire stations in London and the savage cuts to public services may have been a factor (from the fire brigade union)
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 7:33:00 GMT
I'm sorry I've tried to not turn this political until yesterday afternoon when I heard that our so caring PM (sarcasm) couldn't even meat with the victims of the blaze. Then last night after watching news night were tory politicians tried to blame the resident's, for not wanting sprinklers (the council leader) then a tory mp blame the election that they called for no legislation coming through when they have had 4 years since a report came out I find totally disgusting and they should hang there head in shame if you don't believe me or want to see for yourself watch news night on I player link warning parts are harrowing Is this true? I'm sure that posts were removed the day after this terrible event because you were desperate to politicise it. No I waited till yesterday afternoon when I read the sun report on mays visit didn't comment on it and just put a link to the article so you could make your own mind up I also didn't make a point of who the landlords where just posted that it was the local authority and like all local authorities they go for the cheapest tender. But what I heard and saw last night on newsnight was eye-opening if you haven't seen it yet please watch. the tory councillor blaming the people of the tower block for not wanting sprinklers, the tory politician who was trying to defend the indefensible and the lawyer who asked what have they got to hide by calling for a public enquiry instead of an inquest you will be mad too
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 16, 2017 8:03:48 GMT
Another public inquiry ruse. It allows politicians to say we're looking into it, musn't speculate- the news moves on, people forget- mission accomplished. At least she isn't saying enough is enough without actually changing anything this time. The inquiry needs to be independent imo It will be judge led which is good but really there should be an inquest with a jury so that the families of victims can have their say and ask questions. They deserve it.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 8:11:47 GMT
The inquiry needs to be independent imo It will be judge led which is good but really there should be an inquest with a jury so that the families of victims can have their say and ask questions. They deserve it. According to the lawyer last night you cant have both and by stating an enquiry families residents etc cant have there say and cant ask questions in her words what have they got to hide! after watching newsnight last night I would say a lot
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 8:45:41 GMT
Is this true? I'm sure that posts were removed the day after this terrible event because you were desperate to politicise it. No I waited till yesterday afternoon when I read the sun report on mays visit didn't comment on it and just put a link to the article so you could make your own mind up I also didn't make a point of who the landlords where just posted that it was the local authority and like all local authorities they go for the cheapest tender. But what I heard and saw last night on newsnight was eye-opening if you haven't seen it yet please watch. the tory councillor blaming the people of the tower block for not wanting sprinklers, the tory politician who was trying to defend the indefensible and the lawyer who asked what have they got to hide by calling for a public enquiry instead of an inquest you will be mad too Reading the Sun is bad for you. Try the Telegraph instead.
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 8:53:41 GMT
I said "poor people", mumf. That's of every hue and I'm aware the block included white working class residents. In fact I've heard it was over 50% Muslim but I didn't mention this specifically either. (I note it didn't offend you because you don't like Muslims). So no, I'm not saying this is a racist thing as such; I'm saying it's a classist or an elitist thing. It's companies, governments and local authorities not giving a fuck about poor people - yes, that includes the white working class - and, up to now, being allowed to get away with it. This fire involves many political issues such as housing standards for people on low income. So whether you like it or not, there's going to be some finger pointing and political wrangling. The residents aren't going to sit quietly in sports halls for several years waiting for a government inquiry to conclude. Nor are the hundreds of thousands of other tower block residents around the UK going to wait around to find out whether their homes are death traps. Nor should we expect them to. We need politicians to take decisive action now to ensure that in future, we operate a 'better safe than sorry' policy. People's lives should be valued above profit margins. Explain this mumf bit. I don't call you cunf. You have to bring me having a go at Muslims which I didn't. And I only have a problem with the ones who have a problem with the western way of life. You said poor people, then reel off the list so it was not clear. Folk shouldn't use the tragedy to have a go at whose in government though. Things happen under different governments the world over. I seem to have woken up with morning woodstein A note on the mumf thing - you called me a "pathetic muslim terrorist apologist"; I'll call you whatever the fuck I like, whenever the fuck I like I genuinely apologise if my list wasn't comprehensive enough or you felt it unrepresentative. In my defence, I didn't have time to list every creed and colour that lived in those flats - including all the many that you didn't mention either. London is a multicultural place, and the missing people appear to be predominantly non-white British. You're all for blaming those in power past and present when it's an avoidable tragedy involving Islamic fanatics attacking people. But not when it's an avoidable tragedy involving deprived ethnics living in a death trap. Lovely, if wholly unsurprising, to see you embody such restraint and calm. On this particular issue at least
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 16, 2017 9:36:07 GMT
Now saying that the cuts to fire stations in London and the savage cuts to public services may have been a factor (from the fire brigade union) The Fire Brigade Union who's battle bus Corbyn used for his Labour Leadership campaigns.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 16, 2017 9:38:02 GMT
I'm sorry I've tried to not turn this political until yesterday afternoon when I heard that our so caring PM (sarcasm) couldn't even meat with the victims of the blaze. Then last night after watching news night were tory politicians tried to blame the resident's, for not wanting sprinklers (the council leader) then a tory mp blame the election that they called for no legislation coming through when they have had 4 years since a report came out I find totally disgusting and they should hang there head in shame if you don't believe me or want to see for yourself watch news night on I player link warning parts are harrowing Is this true? I'm sure that posts were removed the day after this terrible event because you were desperate to politicise it. I've just realised they were!! Cockers convo and my replies to him have gone. Thought I was losing my marbles for minute.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 9:53:10 GMT
link councillor blames residents
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Post by samba :) on Jun 16, 2017 10:04:54 GMT
link councillor blames residents are they the residents that were moaning that it wasnt safe
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Post by samba :) on Jun 16, 2017 10:06:02 GMT
The government are being prick. Theyre trying to slide the blame any which way they can and will until it isnt their fault the little slimeballs
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2017 10:09:44 GMT
Now saying that the cuts to fire stations in London and the savage cuts to public services may have been a factor (from the fire brigade union) The Fire Brigade Union who's battle bus Corbyn used for his Labour Leadership campaigns. Sadiq Khan commissioned a report on fire brigade resourcing and it came back with no recommendation to increase resources.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 16, 2017 10:10:22 GMT
link councillor blames residents And this is you not trying to politicise the event in favour of Corbyn. You are such a joke.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2017 10:14:55 GMT
link councillor blames residents What a load of bullshit that headline is, where exactly does he blame residents ? He says residents did not want the extra delay and disruption fitting sprinklers would cause and that is why they weren't put in during the refit, that's either a fact or a lie but why is that blaming the residents ? Something quite distasteful about using dead bodies to try and get elected.
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 10:17:48 GMT
Now saying that the cuts to fire stations in London and the savage cuts to public services may have been a factor (from the fire brigade union) The Fire Brigade Union who's battle bus Corbyn used for his Labour Leadership campaigns. Having a go at the emergency services risking life and limb for 12+ hour shifts to save people from a towering inferno. While you sit in comfort miles away. Unsurprising.
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 10:21:09 GMT
link councillor blames residents Something quite distasteful about using dead bodies to try and get elected. I quite agree. But it's a bit late now that you've spent the past two years using IRA bombings to discredit the leader of the opposition
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 16, 2017 10:26:47 GMT
The Fire Brigade Union who's battle bus Corbyn used for his Labour Leadership campaigns. Sadiq Khan commissioned a report on fire brigade resourcing and it came back with no recommendation to increase resources. He did. The Anthony Mayer Report. Commissioned along with the Harris Report so another review Sadiq Khant has ignored. "Since taking office, the Mayor of London has commissioned two reviews which have relevance to the London Fire Brigade."
"This [Anthony Mayer Report] review is 14 pages long and contains 6 recommendations. These are: Recommendation 1. There is currently no persuasive case to increase LFB's budget by diverting resources from elsewhere in the GLA Group or increasing the precept."
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 10:31:27 GMT
link councillor blames residents And this is you not trying to politicise the event in favour of Corbyn. You are such a joke. After what I saw last night on newsnight I think every tory in the country should be ashamed of what was said by the mp and the council leader the problem with you roger is you can never see when they are wrong you just have your tory blinkers on you don't condemn the links of terrorism in your party but criticise others then you don't listen or read what you so called caring tory politicians do or say. for goodness sake this was a disaster and the PM couldn't even comfort the people of the tower block and if you want more read what Lilly Allen says a local resident link the problem is Roger your just a parasite !!
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 10:33:50 GMT
Have you noticed the tory apologists have come on trying to switch the blame go back and crawl under the rocks that you were under
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2017 10:42:00 GMT
Something quite distasteful about using dead bodies to try and get elected. I quite agree. But it's a bit late now that you've spent the past two years using IRA bombings to discredit the leader of the opposition Nice strawman but it was Corbyn's (and Dianne Abbott and John McDonnell) support for the IRA that was bought up, to this day Jeremy Corbyn remains the only person to claim that he was trying to play a part in the peace process.
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2017 10:52:41 GMT
Either tone it down or some of you are going to have a few days off.
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 10:57:40 GMT
I quite agree. But it's a bit late now that you've spent the past two years using IRA bombings to discredit the leader of the opposition Nice strawman but it was Corbyn's (and Dianne Abbott and John McDonnell) support for the IRA that was bought up, to this day Jeremy Corbyn remains the only person to claim that he was trying to play a part in the peace process. Nope. The Tory party and you spent the entire election campaign using dead bodies to try and get May elected. And the 18 months before that using dead bodies to gain political capital. It didn't work, and you're a hypocrite.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 10:59:45 GMT
.[/quote] Folk shouldn't use the tragedy to have a go at whose in government though. Things happen under different governments the world over.[/quote]
I agree completely maybe you could be a bit more consistent and take your own advice.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 11:00:04 GMT
The Queen and Prince William have visited a relief centre helping victims of the Grenfell Tower fire. link
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 11:12:02 GMT
Sadiq Khan commissioned a report on fire brigade resourcing and it came back with no recommendation to increase resources. He did. The Anthony Mayer Report. Commissioned along with the Harris Report so another review Sadiq Khant has ignored. "Since taking office, the Mayor of London has commissioned two reviews which have relevance to the London Fire Brigade."
"This [Anthony Mayer Report] review is 14 pages long and contains 6 recommendations. These are: Recommendation 1. There is currently no persuasive case to increase LFB's budget by diverting resources from elsewhere in the GLA Group or increasing the precept."How long has Khan been in the job how many years of boris cuts if unsure watch this link
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 11:21:07 GMT
My fear too mate yes. RIP to everyone who perished and thoughts to all the families involved. One potential glimmer of hope is that according to a number of news outlets, many families are apparently Muslim and were awake at the time it started due to Ramadan. Many were apparently therefore able to escape and alert their neighbours on the way out. Let's hope that's true. With around 120 still missing and no hope of finding any further survivors you have to think we are in to 3 figures here Hopefully not mate but not looking good no.
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2017 11:23:57 GMT
For those of you complaining about deleted posts, if you quote a post with an abusive message then that will also be removed.
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