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Post by essexstokey on Jun 15, 2017 19:10:28 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 15, 2017 19:11:59 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn says he is 'very very angry' after meeting survivors of harrowing Grenfell Tower fire link
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 15, 2017 19:16:51 GMT
Yea just another passing bandwagon
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jun 15, 2017 19:17:12 GMT
Another public inquiry ruse. It allows politicians to say we're looking into it, musn't speculate- the news moves on, people forget- mission accomplished.
At least she isn't saying enough is enough without actually changing anything this time.
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Post by manmarking on Jun 15, 2017 20:32:02 GMT
Yea just another passing bandwagon It might be a bandwagon to you but it's actually people's lives, harry/bish. And their homes. And all their fucking stuff. Proof if any were needed that you really don't have a lot of respect for victims of disasters. Disgusting.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 15, 2017 20:44:31 GMT
Another public inquiry ruse. It allows politicians to say we're looking into it, musn't speculate- the news moves on, people forget- mission accomplished. At least she isn't saying enough is enough without actually changing anything this time. Just reminds me of yes minister when a public enquiry was a way of burying something I hope im not write though
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Post by manmarking on Jun 15, 2017 20:53:55 GMT
Another public inquiry ruse. It allows politicians to say we're looking into it, musn't speculate- the news moves on, people forget- mission accomplished. At least she isn't saying enough is enough without actually changing anything this time. Just reminds me of yes minister when a public enquiry was a way of burying something I hope im not write though It's exactly what this will be I fear. They're poor people. Refugees, asylum seekers, brown skinned people, foreigners. People in power don't care and will do anything possible to cover their own backs.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 15, 2017 20:59:58 GMT
Just reminds me of yes minister when a public enquiry was a way of burying something I hope im not write though It's exactly what this will be I fear. They're poor people. Refugees, asylum seekers, brown skinned people, foreigners. People in power don't care and will do anything possible to cover their own backs. Click on the two links I put up and you will see the difference
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Post by manmarking on Jun 15, 2017 21:36:22 GMT
It's exactly what this will be I fear. They're poor people. Refugees, asylum seekers, brown skinned people, foreigners. People in power don't care and will do anything possible to cover their own backs. Click on the two links I put up and you will see the difference I agree, I think Corbyn cares. Unlike most in power. He's campaigned on this stuff for years. Whether the inquiry will be a whitewash or not is out of his hands though.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 15, 2017 21:38:28 GMT
Newsnight
Report issued 2 years ago and nothing done,
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2017 21:46:25 GMT
Tom PeckVerified account @tompeck Follow More Tom Peck Retweeted Tom Peck The Times says the "fire resistant" panels cost £24. The flammable £22. Making the building non-flammable would have cost £5K more. Stunned.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 15, 2017 21:54:24 GMT
Newsnight
Fire strange uncontrollable way
Council leader
some residents concerned and he ignored what they said, he says no other tower has that cladding yet earlier today said more towers done same way, cant say about sprinklers in towers
2013 the report said sprinklers should be fitted in multi-storeys he's now trying to blame the residents that they didn't want them. Council promised to visit people dispersed but no one came they didn't even know where they were staying tonight
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 15, 2017 22:00:39 GMT
4000 tower blocks in uk without sprinkler systems
Building regulations in this country not changed for 10 years
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Post by countofmontecristo on Jun 15, 2017 22:05:19 GMT
Tom PeckVerified account @tompeck Follow More Tom Peck Retweeted Tom Peck The Times says the "fire resistant" panels cost £24. The flammable £22. Making the building non-flammable would have cost £5K more. Stunned. 1. Who the fuck would gamble with 100's of peoples lives in order to save £5k? 2. How the fuck have the flammable panels passed Building Regulations? This is beyond abhorrent. Absolutely fucking sickening.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 15, 2017 22:08:40 GMT
Wow lawyer just said at a public enquiry the government controls what is said and people don't have a right to ask any one, but at an inquest is independent and should be the way forward, lawyer questioning what is to be hidden by so quickly calling for a public enquiry!!!!!!
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Post by manmarking on Jun 15, 2017 22:08:49 GMT
Tom PeckVerified account @tompeck Follow More Tom Peck Retweeted Tom Peck The Times says the "fire resistant" panels cost £24. The flammable £22. Making the building non-flammable would have cost £5K more. Stunned. This is the end of the age of austerity, mate. The mood everywhere is turning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 22:10:09 GMT
Surprised they are doing Question Time in Coventry about the fire.
TEST
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Post by manmarking on Jun 15, 2017 22:10:11 GMT
Wow lawyer just said at a public enquiry the government controls what is said and people don't have a right to ask any one, but at an inquest is independent and should be the way forward, lawyer questioning what is to be hidden by so quickly calling for a public enquiry!!!!!! Quelle surprise if true.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 15, 2017 22:12:00 GMT
Wow lawyer just said at a public enquiry the government controls what is said and people don't have a right to ask any one, but at an inquest is independent and should be the way forward, lawyer questioning what is to be hidden by so quickly calling for a public enquiry!!!!!! Quelle surprise if true. The Lawyer was the one who was involved in 2013 report for residents and family of the 6 that died similar fire
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Post by manmarking on Jun 15, 2017 22:15:06 GMT
The Lawyer was the one who was involved in 2013 report for residents and family of the 6 that died similar fire Watching it too yeah mate. Kirsty Wark is giving the government a torrid time tonight. She appears genuinely outraged.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 15, 2017 22:23:01 GMT
The Lawyer was the one who was involved in 2013 report for residents and family of the 6 that died similar fire Watching it too yeah mate. Kirsty Wark is giving the government a torrid time tonight. She appears genuinely outraged. That was some great interviewing by her
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 15, 2017 22:27:12 GMT
Wow lawyer just said at a public enquiry the government controls what is said and people don't have a right to ask any one, but at an inquest is independent and should be the way forward, lawyer questioning what is to be hidden by so quickly calling for a public enquiry!!!!!! "You're joking? Not another cover-up. Oh for God's sake, honestly I can't stand this. There's too much bu!!-$#!t & corruption around the Nasty Party!"
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 15, 2017 22:29:10 GMT
Wow lawyer just said at a public enquiry the government controls what is said and people don't have a right to ask any one, but at an inquest is independent and should be the way forward, lawyer questioning what is to be hidden by so quickly calling for a public enquiry!!!!!! There needs to be a crowd funded inquest
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 15, 2017 22:33:14 GMT
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Post by woodstein on Jun 15, 2017 23:01:18 GMT
Just reminds me of yes minister when a public enquiry was a way of burying something I hope im not write though It's exactly what this will be I fear. They're poor people. Refugees, asylum seekers, brown skinned people, foreigners. People in power don't care and will do anything possible to cover their own backs. Its a racist thing now is it? There wiil have been white English people affected too but you don't mention them. The Bradford City fire was negligence by the club but no political point scoring/finger pointing came from it, simply more fire safety measures. Obviously that will happen now but too late for the poor folk.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 15, 2017 23:31:46 GMT
Calling a public enquiry is just a way for the Government not to have have to answer any questions directly.
They will deflect any questions to the public enquiry hoping that people will lose interest.
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Post by Gods on Jun 15, 2017 23:48:19 GMT
Devastating. I have the awful feeling this is one of those ones where the dead toll will suddenly leap from the current 6 in to 3 figures. 500 people in the block, I mean how many could have escaped from the top half of the building? It's just heart breaking. My fear too mate yes. RIP to everyone who perished and thoughts to all the families involved. One potential glimmer of hope is that according to a number of news outlets, many families are apparently Muslim and were awake at the time it started due to Ramadan. Many were apparently therefore able to escape and alert their neighbours on the way out. Let's hope that's true. With around 120 still missing and no hope of finding any further survivors you have to think we are in to 3 figures here
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 3:43:41 GMT
It's exactly what this will be I fear. They're poor people. Refugees, asylum seekers, brown skinned people, foreigners. People in power don't care and will do anything possible to cover their own backs. Its a racist thing now is it? There wiil have been white English people affected too but you don't mention them. The Bradford City fire was negligence by the club but no political point scoring/finger pointing came from it, simply more fire safety measures. Obviously that will happen now but too late for the poor folk. I said "poor people", mumf. That's of every hue and I'm aware the block included white working class residents. In fact I've heard it was over 50% Muslim but I didn't mention this specifically either. (I note it didn't offend you because you don't like Muslims). So no, I'm not saying this is a racist thing as such; I'm saying it's a classist or an elitist thing. It's companies, governments and local authorities not giving a fuck about poor people - yes, that includes the white working class - and, up to now, being allowed to get away with it. This fire involves many political issues such as housing standards for people on low income. So whether you like it or not, there's going to be some finger pointing and political wrangling. The residents aren't going to sit quietly in sports halls for several years waiting for a government inquiry to conclude. Nor are the hundreds of thousands of other tower block residents around the UK going to wait around to find out whether their homes are death traps. Nor should we expect them to. We need politicians to take decisive action now to ensure that in future, we operate a 'better safe than sorry' policy. People's lives should be valued above profit margins.
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Post by woodstein on Jun 16, 2017 5:25:12 GMT
Its a racist thing now is it? There wiil have been white English people affected too but you don't mention them. The Bradford City fire was negligence by the club but no political point scoring/finger pointing came from it, simply more fire safety measures. Obviously that will happen now but too late for the poor folk. I said "poor people", mumf. That's of every hue and I'm aware the block included white working class residents. In fact I've heard it was over 50% Muslim but I didn't mention this specifically either. (I note it didn't offend you because you don't like Muslims). So no, I'm not saying this is a racist thing as such; I'm saying it's a classist or an elitist thing. It's companies, governments and local authorities not giving a fuck about poor people - yes, that includes the white working class - and, up to now, being allowed to get away with it. This fire involves many political issues such as housing standards for people on low income. So whether you like it or not, there's going to be some finger pointing and political wrangling. The residents aren't going to sit quietly in sports halls for several years waiting for a government inquiry to conclude. Nor are the hundreds of thousands of other tower block residents around the UK going to wait around to find out whether their homes are death traps. Nor should we expect them to. We need politicians to take decisive action now to ensure that in future, we operate a 'better safe than sorry' policy. People's lives should be valued above profit margins. Explain this mumf bit. I don't call you cunf. You have to bring me having a go at Muslims which I didn't. And I only have a problem with the ones who have a problem with the western way of life. You said poor people, then reel off the list so it was not clear. Folk shouldn't use the tragedy to have a go at whose in government though. Things happen under different governments the world over.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2017 7:02:27 GMT
I said "poor people", mumf. That's of every hue and I'm aware the block included white working class residents. In fact I've heard it was over 50% Muslim but I didn't mention this specifically either. (I note it didn't offend you because you don't like Muslims). So no, I'm not saying this is a racist thing as such; I'm saying it's a classist or an elitist thing. It's companies, governments and local authorities not giving a fuck about poor people - yes, that includes the white working class - and, up to now, being allowed to get away with it. This fire involves many political issues such as housing standards for people on low income. So whether you like it or not, there's going to be some finger pointing and political wrangling. The residents aren't going to sit quietly in sports halls for several years waiting for a government inquiry to conclude. Nor are the hundreds of thousands of other tower block residents around the UK going to wait around to find out whether their homes are death traps. Nor should we expect them to. We need politicians to take decisive action now to ensure that in future, we operate a 'better safe than sorry' policy. People's lives should be valued above profit margins. Explain this mumf bit. I don't call you cunf. You have to bring me having a go at Muslims which I didn't. And I only have a problem with the ones who have a problem with the western way of life. You said poor people, then reel off the list so it was not clear. Folk shouldn't use the tragedy to have a go at whose in government though. Things happen under different governments the world over. I'm sorry I've tried to not turn this political until yesterday afternoon when I heard that our so caring PM (sarcasm) couldn't even meat with the victims of the blaze. Then last night after watching news night were tory politicians tried to blame the resident's, for not wanting sprinklers (the council leader) then a tory mp blame the election that they called for no legislation coming through when they have had 4 years since a report came out I find totally disgusting and they should hang there head in shame if you don't believe me or want to see for yourself watch news night on I player link warning parts are harrowing
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