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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 28, 2019 11:58:38 GMT
Oh I know. Why did the 'legal default position' not get applied in March or June and why does it look like being applied now. Can you spot any differences? We have somebody in charge who isn't bending over with their arse in the air being shafted by George Sorros's puppets ? Yep, that's his main motive!
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Post by Northy on Aug 28, 2019 12:03:08 GMT
with Boris abuse of his powers as pm and overriding the parliament for his own political gin it is now ore important than ever that we make a stand against this corrupt and unconstitutional government to this end please sign this petition A petition to stop the prorogation of Parliament has gained more than 120,000 signatures. "Parliament must not be prorogued or dissolved unless and until the Article 50 period has been sufficiently extended or the UK's intention to withdraw from the EU has been cancelled," sign it here linkThere is nothing unconstitutional about this (probably not morally right), it is all process to complete the actions of Parliament voting on A50, the only unconstitutional thing going on is an attempted coup from a group of MP's who wont carry out the result of a democratic vote. Can you prove anything corrupt, as that is slander and you could end up in court ? the Act of 2011 deliberately does not put Parliament in control. After its summer recess, Parliament need not be recalled until after 31 October. If attempts were made to frustrate such a timetable, Parliament could be prorogued.
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Post by Northy on Aug 28, 2019 12:09:52 GMT
with Boris abuse of his powers as pm and overriding the parliament for his own political gin it is now ore important than ever that we make a stand against this corrupt and unconstitutional government to this end please sign this petition A petition to stop the prorogation of Parliament has gained more than 120,000 signatures. "Parliament must not be prorogued or dissolved unless and until the Article 50 period has been sufficiently extended or the UK's intention to withdraw from the EU has been cancelled," sign it here linkOh dear, not good for you and your boys that set the precedent The Labour government of 1948 last used prorogation for tactical purposes against one House of Parliament, to frustrate the Lords’ attempt to hold up what became the Parliament Act of 1949. This is a precedent, though not exact, for its use in the case of Brexit.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 28, 2019 12:16:12 GMT
We voted to leave Everyone decided to implement it Then most of parliament tried to thwart it Boris said we are leaving. It was no deal or the EU tried some compromise This shit has gone on longer enough Just implement the referendum result and get us out. We will be fine. With or without a deal is the crucial part you seem to have missed out. We have to listen to parliament and the business groups who know more about the impact a no deal would have on the country.They know more about it than you so why are you not listening?
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Post by Northy on Aug 28, 2019 12:23:48 GMT
We voted to leave Everyone decided to implement it Then most of parliament tried to thwart it Boris said we are leaving. It was no deal or the EU tried some compromise This shit has gone on longer enough Just implement the referendum result and get us out. We will be fine. With or without a deal is the crucial part you seem to have missed out. We have to listen to parliament and the business groups who know more about the impact a no deal would have on the country.They know more about it than you so why are you not listening? Businesses were ready in March for a brexit one way or another, they still have these plans in place.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 28, 2019 12:26:01 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 28, 2019 12:34:30 GMT
If only there was some way to get rid of a government like holding a confidence vote that's what makes this talk of a coup laughable bollocks even more so as its from the people who wanted Ken Clarke or Harriott Harmon to be PM last week.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 28, 2019 12:35:49 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 28, 2019 12:48:20 GMT
Piers, the Remainer , has started to speak with common sense in my opinion. His last sentence is perhaps the most poignant. The root of the problem seems to be that it's too hard and a shock for some people to accept that some other people might think and decide differently from them. It just isn't possible. /
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 28, 2019 12:49:11 GMT
It's a full week lost. Imagine if he'd told MP's of this plan before they voted on the recess. Was it not a 'new Government' then.? Prorogation in this way hasn't been used since the war. The fat dictator hates democracy.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 28, 2019 12:51:49 GMT
The last poll conducted gave those in a favour of a Corbyn government No Deal Brexit as a shade over 20% So he is delaying brexit shutting down Parliament to give people something they didn't vote for in 2016 and want even less now. Somebody's taking back control that is for bastard certain and it isn't the forgotten working class communities of the industrial Heart wastelands I fixed it for you mate
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 28, 2019 12:53:36 GMT
With or without a deal is the crucial part you seem to have missed out. We have to listen to parliament and the business groups who know more about the impact a no deal would have on the country.They know more about it than you so why are you not listening? Businesses were ready in March for a brexit one way or another, they still have these plans in place. My business is not ready because we dont know what to be ready for.We try to be,but we import and export an awful lot of our goods.For the second time in six months we have had to attempt to fill our warehouse which has a severe impact on our business planning.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 28, 2019 12:55:48 GMT
Oh dear the traitorous anti democratic plotters have been out plotted and out thought and they are crying foul. The irony of the hypocritical shisters who deliberately plotted to stop it have now made no deal more likely. It's fucking hilarious listening to the creeps now they realise what they've done. Should have supported a deal when they were offered it 😂 happy days.
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Post by lommack on Aug 28, 2019 13:01:29 GMT
Who are the real enemy of the people?
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 28, 2019 13:03:16 GMT
It's a full week lost. Imagine if he'd told MP's of this plan before they voted on the recess. Was it not a 'new Government' then.? Prorogation in this way hasn't been used since the war. The fat dictator hates democracy. why shouldn't he keep his hand close to his chest. He's playing to win but, it would seem, playing within the rules. Same as his opponents. Your continuing bleating would suggest he's somewhat better at it than his opponents. Although, of course, that remains to be seen.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 28, 2019 13:03:37 GMT
Who are the real enemy of the people? "We are the people".....United supporters?
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Post by lommack on Aug 28, 2019 13:10:09 GMT
Who are the real enemy of the people? "We are the people".....United supporters? My elected representative is being denied the chance to represent "the people" by an unelected prime minister (heading a hung parliament) permitted by an unelected monarch. So who are the enemy of the people?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 28, 2019 13:13:16 GMT
"We are the people".....United supporters? My elected representative is being denied the chance to represent "the people" by an unelected prime minister (heading a hung parliament) permitted by an unelected monarch. So who are the enemy of the people? Good question. What's the answer?
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 28, 2019 13:14:37 GMT
My elected representative is being denied the chance to represent "the people" by an unelected prime minister (heading a hung parliament) permitted by an unelected monarch. So who are the enemy of the people? Good question. What's the answer? Glasgow Celtic
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 28, 2019 13:16:45 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 28, 2019 13:18:25 GMT
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Post by yeokel on Aug 28, 2019 13:21:01 GMT
"We are the people".....United supporters? My elected representative is being denied the chance to represent "the people" by an unelected prime minister (heading a hung parliament) permitted by an unelected monarch. So who are the enemy of the people? Have a look at this, it might help you. Info about our "unelected PM"
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Post by lommack on Aug 28, 2019 13:25:13 GMT
My elected representative is being denied the chance to represent "the people" by an unelected prime minister (heading a hung parliament) permitted by an unelected monarch. So who are the enemy of the people? Good question. What's the answer? We are a parliamentary democracy and have a sovereign parliament so anyone trying to bypass that is obviously an enemy of the people. Unfortunately we have a privileged oaf (whose thirst for power is being manipulated by others) who doesn't give a monkey's. In fact anyone who supports this move is by definition an enemy of the people
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 28, 2019 13:36:02 GMT
Good question. What's the answer? We are a parliamentary democracy and have a sovereign parliament so anyone trying to bypass that is obviously an enemy of the people. Unfortunately we have a privileged oaf (whose thirst for power is being manipulated by others) who doesn't give a monkey's. In fact anyone who supports this move is by definition an enemy of the people We do and that parliamentary democracy asked the people a question and received an answer. Simple really. The people are sovereign, at present, using your analogy, some parliamentarians have acted against the will of the people. See Kate the socialist above.
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Post by lommack on Aug 28, 2019 13:39:53 GMT
We are a parliamentary democracy and have a sovereign parliament so anyone trying to bypass that is obviously an enemy of the people. Unfortunately we have a privileged oaf (whose thirst for power is being manipulated by others) who doesn't give a monkey's. In fact anyone who supports this move is by definition an enemy of the people We do and that parliamentary democracy asked the people a question and received an answer. Simple really. The people are sovereign, at present, using your analogy, some parliamentarians have acted against the will of the people. See Kate the socialist above. Yes but I voted in the general election (as did millions of others) whose elected representatives are now being ignored. Are you saying that some elections are more important than others?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 28, 2019 13:41:19 GMT
My elected representative is being denied the chance to represent "the people" by an unelected prime minister (heading a hung parliament) permitted by an unelected monarch. So who are the enemy of the people? Have a look at this, it might help you. Info about our "unelected PM" He leads a minority Government propped up with bribes to Irish creationists and he's know proposing to close down Parliament to get his way. He has no mandate whatsoever. He is a dictator, the fat dictator, a true enemy of the people.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 28, 2019 13:43:38 GMT
It's a full week lost. Imagine if he'd told MP's of this plan before they voted on the recess. Was it not a 'new Government' then.? Prorogation in this way hasn't been used since the war. The fat dictator hates democracy. why shouldn't he keep his hand close to his chest. He's playing to win but, it would seem, playing within the rules. Same as his opponents. Your continuing bleating would suggest he's somewhat better at it than his opponents. Although, of course, that remains to be seen. Is it worth reminding you PP that you started this behemoth of a thread with the assertion that there was no mandate for a hard Brexit and now suddenly closing down our democratic organs of state suddenly gives him that mandate? I'm a bit puzzled!
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Post by serpico on Aug 28, 2019 13:54:33 GMT
Remainers all of a sudden concerned about sovereignty and democracy 🙂
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 28, 2019 13:58:49 GMT
We do and that parliamentary democracy asked the people a question and received an answer. Simple really. The people are sovereign, at present, using your analogy, some parliamentarians have acted against the will of the people. See Kate the socialist above. Yes but I voted in the general election (as did millions of others) whose elected representatives are now being ignored. Are you saying that some elections are more important than others? I suppose that some elections are more important than others. An election of a milk monitor is less important than that of an MP. Mind you the election of an MEP is a pretty pointless cosmetic exercise to give a semblance of democracy..... not sure how effective or ineffective those elections are...mind you , to answer your question, I didn't say anything about the relative importance of elections. I do think it's important to honour the referendum result though because people were asked the question and promised by the government that their decision would be honoured....basic democracy really.
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Post by foster on Aug 28, 2019 14:00:24 GMT
No one seems to actually be thinking about what will happen to the UK here. It's all about winning the leave or remain war based on which way you voted. Whatever achieves that end is fine no matter how underhand it may be.
There are probably a lot of people who voted leave who would now prefer to remain, and vica versa. There are probably a lot of people who didn't bother to vote last time around but now would. There are probably a lot people who voted last time that have now passed away, as well there being a lot that have now reached the legal age to vote.
It's been 3 years of bullshit so far so why not just have a second referendum and find out once and for all what the majority wants. Than have it written up that it will be acted on on a predefined date, no exceptions.
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