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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 12, 2017 16:53:59 GMT
So great news for the Nurses. Lower numbers = higher salaries. Ahh.... Capitalism in action. Sod flooding the market with free movement eh? I 💖 the NHS I don't believe even you are daft enough to think a shortfall of 40,000 nurses in the NHS is a good thing. But then again, you thought the Tories won the referendum lol
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 12, 2017 16:59:57 GMT
Correct. All the parties that were anti Brexit failed miserably. They were spinning this bullshit about the meaning of the election in the media almost straight away. You can spin whatever shit you want about the meaning of the election. Maybe folk don't like Teresa May's new hairstyle?? Anyway, the result of the referendum remains the same- the people voted out. I'd love to talk to some of the people who wanted a hard brexit who voted labour - and find out exactly how they thought that was the best way to achieve it. I think we may have seem a similar effect to the brexit vote itself, where some people blindly voting against the establishment as a protest against politicians in general - and may now be wondering what they've done. Corbyn cleverly placed himself as anti-establishment to appeal to them. That's one rather pro-brexit interpretation. Another might be that substantial numbers of people wanted to say no thanks to Mays idea of Brexit - after all that was why she called the election, she wanted to stop 'saboteurs' (her words) from spoiling her Brexit and to take a popular mandate for it into the negotiations. The popular mandate said fuck off! Even the Tory vote in Scotland was in Remain seats, voting for Davidson's jobs first version of Brexit ie stay in the single market, don't be a dick about immigration etc. I think the penny is starting to drop with some people that they've done a very silly thing. I always thought it would and it'll probably gather pace once the shit really starts to hit the fan! Sadly, some people will probably need to suffer for the mood to change.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 18:32:38 GMT
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is Brexit a stitch up? of course it fucking is and always was
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 12, 2017 19:21:01 GMT
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is Brexit a stitch up? of course it fucking is and always was I've said it from the word go, even without reading that. It's the only reason Corbyn has become almost electable. A couple of months ago Thornberry was suicidal at the Labour Party's standing in the polls; it was almost as if Labour would never be a major force again. Now this? It just doesn't ring true.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 19:57:35 GMT
Can someone please explain the difference between a hard and soft Brexit? Because for me one isn't leaving the EU at all. It is pretty much: Soft Brexit = staying in the single market with freedom of movement still in place. Hard Brexit = out of the single market and out of any binding agreement to freedom of movement. In either scenario, we would leave the EU and would no longer be a member. Soft Brexit. One of people's main concerns was one of immigration. How does that work? The country is in a massive mess and stormy waters lie ahead. I can't see the leave side accepting a watered down Brexit. There could be real trouble. What an absolute shambles.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 12, 2017 20:07:52 GMT
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is Brexit a stitch up? of course it fucking is and always was It was never going to be allowed to happen.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 12, 2017 20:16:03 GMT
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is Brexit a stitch up? of course it fucking is and always was It was never going to be allowed to happen. I remember going into work on the day the result was announced. Everybody was amazed that the result hadn't been fixed and everybody was buzzing. The feelgood factor lasted about an hour; then the media onslaught began.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 12, 2017 20:30:24 GMT
It was never going to be allowed to happen. I remember going into work on the day the result was announced. Everybody was amazed that the result hadn't been fixed and everybody was buzzing. The feelgood factor lasted about an hour; then the media onslaught began. Article 50 should have been activated the week after the referendum vote. There is no intention within Westminster to see Brexit through and the really frustrating thing is because of the yellow livered politicians the basket case that is the EU are actually laughing at us. Piss week politicians failing the country yet again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 20:30:48 GMT
It was never going to be allowed to happen. I remember going into work on the day the result was announced. Everybody was amazed that the result hadn't been fixed and everybody was buzzing. The feelgood factor lasted about an hour; then the media onslaught began. First thing I saw was the news showing farage having a pint at a bar shouting happy Independence Day. Followed by a studio full of ashen faced presenters and journalists that looked like they'd just been told they'd lost their jobs. Not a patriotic breath in their lungs ever since
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 12, 2017 20:34:15 GMT
I remember going into work on the day the result was announced. Everybody was amazed that the result hadn't been fixed and everybody was buzzing. The feelgood factor lasted about an hour; then the media onslaught began. First thing I saw was the news showing farage having a pint at a bar shouting happy Independence Day. Followed by a studio full of ashen faced presenters and journalists that looked like they'd just been told they'd lost their jobs. Not a patriotic breath in their lungs ever since Wasn't Farage's first interview where he said the NHS message on the bus was a lie? Sort of set the tone for the press I would imagine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 20:39:52 GMT
It was never going to be allowed to happen. I remember going into work on the day the result was announced. Everybody was amazed that the result hadn't been fixed and everybody was buzzing. The feelgood factor lasted about an hour; then the media onslaught began. I completely overslept for my delivery driving job in London that day meaning that by leaving 3 or 4 hours later I added double that to my day of work. It was the most beautiful day of battling through 100s of miles of wall to wall traffic you could imagine.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 12, 2017 20:46:39 GMT
First thing I saw was the news showing farage having a pint at a bar shouting happy Independence Day. Followed by a studio full of ashen faced presenters and journalists that looked like they'd just been told they'd lost their jobs. Not a patriotic breath in their lungs ever since Wasn't Farage's first interview where he said the NHS message on the bus was a lie? Sort of set the tone for the press I would imagine. The NHS bus message said something similar to “The UK's official EU budget is about £350 million a week. That’s about the same as the cost of building a new NHS hospital every week." Amazing how the myth has been allowed to grow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 20:50:18 GMT
First thing I saw was the news showing farage having a pint at a bar shouting happy Independence Day. Followed by a studio full of ashen faced presenters and journalists that looked like they'd just been told they'd lost their jobs. Not a patriotic breath in their lungs ever since Wasn't Farage's first interview where he said the NHS message on the bus was a lie? Sort of set the tone for the press I would imagine. I've no idea of his first interview, I said first thing I saw. i do remember the exact words on the bus... "we send the eu £350million a week Lets fund our NHS instead" repeat....."LETS FUND OUR NHS INSTEAD" doesnt say let's spend £350million a week on the NHS does it? anyone that thought that probably wasn't eligible to vote in the first place ......I'd hope
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 21:07:28 GMT
Wasn't Farage's first interview where he said the NHS message on the bus was a lie? Sort of set the tone for the press I would imagine. I've no idea of his first interview, I said first thing I saw. i do remember the exact words on the bus... "we send the eu £350million a week Lets fund our NHS instead" repeat....."LETS FUND OUR NHS INSTEAD" doesnt say let's spend £350million a week on the NHS does it? anyone that thought that probably wasn't eligible to vote in the first place ......I'd hope So in your mind that is not a misleading statement. OK!
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Post by manmarking on Jun 12, 2017 21:16:00 GMT
I've no idea of his first interview, I said first thing I saw. i do remember the exact words on the bus... "we send the eu £350million a week Lets fund our NHS instead" repeat....."LETS FUND OUR NHS INSTEAD" doesnt say let's spend £350million a week on the NHS does it? anyone that thought that probably wasn't eligible to vote in the first place ......I'd hope So in your mind that is not a misleading statement. OK! To be fair mate, there were craven lies told on both sides of the referendum. It was a very negative, nasty campaign from both sides. Bashing refugees, making up numbers out of thin air. All very cynical stuff. And if Remain had won, there'd be just as much of a case for saying we'd been mislead and there should be a rerun
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 21:41:49 GMT
I've no idea of his first interview, I said first thing I saw. i do remember the exact words on the bus... "we send the eu £350million a week Lets fund our NHS instead" repeat....."LETS FUND OUR NHS INSTEAD" doesnt say let's spend £350million a week on the NHS does it? anyone that thought that probably wasn't eligible to vote in the first place ......I'd hope So in your mind that is not a misleading statement. OK! When you saw that, did you think they were going to spend £350 million a week on the NHS ? did you actually read it as they were going to? of course you didn't......but, it's the only scraps you can find to try to use against the people that just want the United Kingdom to be self ruling instead of being Germany and Brussels lackey
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 12, 2017 21:48:32 GMT
Wasn't Farage's first interview where he said the NHS message on the bus was a lie? Sort of set the tone for the press I would imagine. The NHS bus message said something similar to “The UK's official EU budget is about £350 million a week. That’s about the same as the cost of building a new NHS hospital every week." Amazing how the myth has been allowed to grow. Like the myth that losers are winners, the left really are piss poor at this losing malarkey are they not.
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Post by hammered on Jun 12, 2017 22:10:59 GMT
A Pyrrhic victory for May who blessed with hindsight shouldn’t have called the GE with the irony that the UK’s first past the post system scuppered her (so called) attempt to strengthen her BREXIT hand, despite winning, increasing her share of the vote killing off Sturgeon and it grates massively but we are where we are etc...
Add the irony that Jezza’s jam for all that seduced the student /young vote and a good chunk of kippers returning to their traditional loyalties also won’t be delivered (he lost) and we’ve a major cluster-f—k of confusion and disappointment all round.
BREXIT was a binary choice IN or OUT. The imaginary “Soft BREXIT” doesn’t exist and never will. The £350m bus is just a sound bite for embittered Remainers or nose in the trough self serving establishment cock suckers and yet again we are seeing the true colours of our elected c—ts, playing in the filthy swamp MSM resides in and I for one have had enough, believe nothing that they say anymore and even less, they remotely have our interests at heart.
Shameful and we will live to regret.(IMO)
A few on here can see where the EU is heading, what's coming and moreover saw BREXIT as probably the final opportunity to determine our own destiny.
How naive we were.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 13, 2017 4:22:32 GMT
A Pyrrhic victory for May who blessed with hindsight shouldn’t have called the GE with the irony that the UK’s first past the post system scuppered her (so called) attempt to strengthen her BREXIT hand, despite winning, increasing her share of the vote killing off Sturgeon and it grates massively but we are where we are etc... Add the irony that Jezza’s jam for all that seduced the student /young vote and a good chunk of kippers returning to their traditional loyalties also won’t be delivered (he lost) and we’ve a major cluster-f—k of confusion and disappointment all round. BREXIT was a binary choice IN or OUT. The imaginary “Soft BREXIT” doesn’t exist and never will. The £350m bus is just a sound bite for embittered Remainers or nose in the trough self serving establishment cock suckers and yet again we are seeing the true colours of our elected c—ts, playing in the filthy swamp MSM resides in and I for one have had enough, believe nothing that they say anymore and even less, they remotely have our interests at heart. Shameful and we will live to regret.(IMO) A few on here can see where the EU is heading, what's coming and moreover saw BREXIT as probably the final opportunity to determine our own destiny. How naive we were. In a nutshell.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 6:27:02 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 13, 2017 6:34:40 GMT
I said this was a put up job. 80% of MP's wanted to remain, and they shit themselves when the result was announced. Nothing will change, it's a big "Fuck You!" to the public and democracy. Yet loads on here will celebrate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 7:32:21 GMT
I said this was a put up job. 80% of MP's wanted to remain, and they shit themselves when the result was announced. Nothing will change, it's a big "Fuck You!" to the public and democracy. Yet loads on here will celebrate. Yep, sadly ...And use the general election result as their second referendum
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 8:11:27 GMT
The farage show...hard/soft Brexit ....his thoughts on why people voted the way they did (within the first 3mins)
on another video he actually praised labour/corbyn and Mcdonellgor their straight answers and thoughts on Brexit compared to the tories soundbites
say what hat you want about farage but, he's always openly praised opposition when praise is due
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 13, 2017 11:57:20 GMT
So here it is. The Truth.
Not only do I agree with much of what JHB say's. She's married to some bloke from Stoke-on-Trent apparently. There's hope yet.
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 13, 2017 12:32:12 GMT
I remember going into work on the day the result was announced. Everybody was amazed that the result hadn't been fixed and everybody was buzzing. The feelgood factor lasted about an hour; then the media onslaught began. First thing I saw was the news showing farage having a pint at a bar shouting happy Independence Day. Followed by a studio full of ashen faced presenters and journalists that looked like they'd just been told they'd lost their jobs. Not a patriotic breath in their lungs ever sinceThere it is right there, perhaps the most unattractive aspect of UKIPPY Brexiters. If someone disagrees with their idea about what's best for our nation that means we're unpatriotic. How the fuck dare you say only people who think your way are patriotic! What arrogance!
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 13, 2017 12:37:25 GMT
So in your mind that is not a misleading statement. OK! When you saw that, did you think they were going to spend £350 million a week on the NHS ? did you actually read it as they were going to? of course you didn't......but, it's the only scraps you can find to try to use against the people that just want the United Kingdom to be self ruling instead of being Germany and Brussels lackey I knew they wouldn't be using it to fund hospitals because it never existed. I also knew it was a carefully put together image and soundbite designed to mislead the considerable number of voters whose only engagement with political discourse is to look at the pictures in the Sun or the Mail. To claim otherwise is disingenuous to say the least.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 13, 2017 12:46:00 GMT
U turn alert ! U turn alert ! U turn Alert! Labour and Conservatives 'in cross party talks to secure softer Brexit' link
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Post by upthefud on Jun 13, 2017 12:51:39 GMT
Correct. All the parties that were anti Brexit failed miserably. They were spinning this bullshit about the meaning of the election in the media almost straight away. You can spin whatever shit you want about the meaning of the election. Maybe folk don't like Teresa May's new hairstyle?? Anyway, the result of the referendum remains the same- the people voted out. I'd love to talk to some of the people who wanted a hard brexit who voted labour - and find out exactly how they thought that was the best way to achieve it. I think we may have seem a similar effect to the brexit vote itself, where some people blindly voting against the establishment as a protest against politicians in general - and may now be wondering what they've done. Corbyn cleverly placed himself as anti-establishment to appeal to them. I went into this election adamant I was going to vote for the Conservatives because of their hard stance on Brexit. I finished up as a non-voter but leaning Labour because Theresa May's policies would have destroyed working class communities. I saw a post on page 5/6 on this thread about smelling a rat over Brexit. I too smell a rat now. The working class were the ones who in the vast majority voted to leave the EU. May was backing it hence the ridiculously high level of support for the Tories. She then produced one of the most disgusting and unfair manifestos of all time which attacked the very voters she was trying to win over. It was at best wank and at worst a malicious attempt to weaken the Brexit position. Now the democracy deniers in Parliment are saying it was purely an anti-Brexit vote. May's new chief of staff was ridiculously pro-remain and she's saying that she will listen to all parties on Brexit now... Anyway Farage will make a comeback if needs must.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 13:29:20 GMT
First thing I saw was the news showing farage having a pint at a bar shouting happy Independence Day. Followed by a studio full of ashen faced presenters and journalists that looked like they'd just been told they'd lost their jobs. Not a patriotic breath in their lungs ever sinceThere it is right there, perhaps the most unattractive aspect of UKIPPY Brexiters. If someone disagrees with their idea about what's best for our nation that means we're unpatriotic. How the fuck dare you say only people who think your way are patriotic! What arrogance! And you think people who are happy to hand over our sovereignty to unelected bureaucrats of Brussels is patriotic? Criminal is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 13:31:32 GMT
When you saw that, did you think they were going to spend £350 million a week on the NHS ? did you actually read it as they were going to? of course you didn't......but, it's the only scraps you can find to try to use against the people that just want the United Kingdom to be self ruling instead of being Germany and Brussels lackey I knew they wouldn't be using it to fund hospitals because it never existed. I also knew it was a carefully put together image and soundbite designed to mislead the considerable number of voters whose only engagement with political discourse is to look at the pictures in the Sun or the Mail. To claim otherwise is disingenuous to say the least. So that's you from the remain and all the leave voters that know it wasn't to be spent on the NHS Now go tell the rest of the mardarses
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