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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:08:55 GMT
Kuennsberg though... would you? She's got that austere educated Scottish "we celebrate Burns Night with poetry" dourness about her. But then again I've had worse. A lot worse. She's a vile creature, it'd have to be rough, extremely rough. There would be no pleasure for either side, only shame. |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 14, 2019 19:12:54 GMT
You're quite right, there wasn't 2% in it. Classic, when there's no valid retort go with semantics  There was absolutely nothing in it, it wasn't some unanimous landslide, the country was completely divided. This may well still be the case but we need to take this away from parliament and back to the people because there's too much fucking political point scoring going on. There's people in the commons who aren't arsed what state the country is in so long as they're the ones ruling it. In the time since Brexit the populace is miles better educated on the matter, another vote is the only sensible option. The EU are done negotiating, the logical choice is to have another referendum where the choices are May's Deal or Remain. You could also have a third option of leaving with no deal but it would unfairly split the vote of the people who wish to leave. There was a majority of 1.3m people who voted leave, that's more than the entire population of Birmingham voting leave even if the rest of the country were equally divided! In England alone the difference for a leave vote was nearly 8%. Why on earth with a mandate like that should the country have to choose between May's deal and remain? If there is a second referendum, which there shouldn't, it should be a straightforward choice: 1. Leave with no deal 2. Remain. That won't happen beacause the remain heavy House of Commons are frightened to death and know very well that leave with no deal would smash it. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 19:15:53 GMT
Customs Union do keep up. Actually it wasn't, it's all coming back to me now. It was to call for an extension of Article 50 specifically to find a new strategy to negotiate Brexit. So now they go to vote solely for an extension of Article 50, without giving a reason - the reason I assume will be decided by May (as it's gone so well when things have been left to her in the past  ). My bad. His plans would involve some form of customs union with the EU, which Mrs May and he have clashed over.
May will never deliver Brexit she is a remainer at heart she is a dead duck and has been since she called the last election and lost her majority, Corbyn will never deliver Brexit because he will never be given the opportunity to because not enough of the electorate will vote for him and his party. The only way we will get Brexit is if chicken resigns and a Brexit supporting PM is put in place. For what it's worth I personally predicted we would not leave the day after leave won the referendum, the majority of the establishment never wanted it or indeed expected it which goes to prove how far they are out of touch with the majority of the voters. Hopefully Macron will stick to his guns and veto this extension, but I doubt it he's as he will be controlled/manipulated or errmmm bribed by the real EU leaders the Germans.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 19:20:42 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.' The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted. It's called democracy the winner gets more votes than the loser (or is it runner up nowadays), 17.4 million voted to leave that's all that counts, the choice if I remember correctly was Remain or Leave get over it FFS it is 2 years and nine months ago since the democratic vote with no progress why ? |
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Post by neworleanstokie on Mar 14, 2019 19:23:40 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.' The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted. It's called democracy the winner gets more votes than the loser (or is it runner up nowadays), 17.4 million voted to leave that's all that counts, the choice if I remember correctly was Remain or Leave get over it FFS it is 2 years and nine months ago since the democratic vote with no progress why ? It's a bit naive to think you can win something by a very small majority and not have the other side complain! If it had gone the other way it would have been the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:28:12 GMT
Classic, when there's no valid retort go with semantics There was absolutely nothing in it, it wasn't some unanimous landslide, the country was completely divided. This may well still be the case but we need to take this away from parliament and back to the people because there's too much fucking political point scoring going on. There's people in the commons who aren't arsed what state the country is in so long as they're the ones ruling it. In the time since Brexit the populace is miles better educated on the matter, another vote is the only sensible option. The EU are done negotiating, the logical choice is to have another referendum where the choices are May's Deal or Remain. You could also have a third option of leaving with no deal but it would unfairly split the vote of the people who wish to leave. There was a majority of 1.3m people who voted leave, that's more than the entire population of Birmingham voting leave even if the rest of the country were equally divided! In England alone the difference for a leave vote was nearly 8%. Why on earth with a mandate like that should the country have to choose between May's deal and remain? If there is a second referendum, which there shouldn't, it should be a straightforward choice: 1. Leave with no deal 2. Remain. That won't happen beacause the remain heavy House of Commons are frightened to death and know very well that leave with no deal would smash it. Yes, which is still a 3.6% difference between the two votes, it was incredibly tight. You should support another referendum then if you think leave will win again? You would like to leave with no deal? Our of interest what is your thinking behind that, what are the benefits of having no deal over being a part of the EU? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:29:18 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.' The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted. It's called democracy the winner gets more votes than the loser (or is it runner up nowadays), 17.4 million voted to leave that's all that counts, the choice if I remember correctly was Remain or Leave get over it FFS it is 2 years and nine months ago since the democratic vote with no progress why ? Things have changed a bit since then, if they haven't then another vote would reflect that? No one's being stopped from voting, people are just more educated on the matter with 3 years of Brexit being thrown in people's faces. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 14, 2019 19:29:31 GMT
The remainers on here seem strangely quite the vote for a second referendum was blown out of the water
Even there knight in rusty armour sir jezza of fence sitting
Decided to to keep on parking his arse
And guess what even if got off his fence found his balls to vote for something he would still be roundly beaten
Parliament does not have a majority for a second referendum
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:30:24 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.' The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted. I'm sick of the mantra that leaving the EU is "crashing out" We're not exactly gracefully gliding out are we, a car crash doesn't quite cover the mess made of it so far. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:34:05 GMT
The remainers on here seem strangely quite the vote for a second referendum was blown out of the water Even there knight in rusty armour sir jezza of fence sitting Decided to to keep on parking his arse And guess what even if got off his fence found his balls to vote for something he would still be roundly beaten Parliament does not have a majority for a second referendum Jeremy Corbyn is an euro sceptic, he does not want to be part of the EU. His talk of supporting one recently is purely a way to get the electorate on side if there's to be another general election. He is not the hero to any person wishing to remain in the EU, I despise every single person in that room this has gone well beyond a tory/labour debate. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 19:36:04 GMT
It's called democracy the winner gets more votes than the loser (or is it runner up nowadays), 17.4 million voted to leave that's all that counts, the choice if I remember correctly was Remain or Leave get over it FFS it is 2 years and nine months ago since the democratic vote with no progress why ? It's a bit naive to think you can win something by a very small majority and not have the other side complain! If it had gone the other way it would have been the same. Is that the same for all results in life, like an election, or a horse race, or a football match etc. etc. etc., I am pretty sure if it had gone the way the majority expected there would have been very little response as the establishment and the whinging whining snowflakes would have got their own way, this has not just been complaining it has been constant mard arseing, crying, fear mongering and deliberate obstruction of the wishes of the majority of voters who could be bothered to vote. UK Democracy is as dead as the Norwegian Blue parrot in the monty python sketch, the only reason it is still visually on the perch is the fact that it has been nailed on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:36:32 GMT
The remainers on here seem strangely quite the vote for a second referendum was blown out of the water Even there knight in rusty armour sir jezza of fence sitting Decided to to keep on parking his arse And guess what even if got off his fence found his balls to vote for something he would still be roundly beaten Parliament does not have a majority for a second referendum What we actually need to happen is for parliament to agree on something and proceed with it. No party, or combination of MPs from different parties, it would seem, can agree on this - presumably because they think the best option is the one that nobody really wants to say as it's a kick in the teeth to a large section of the public: staying in the EU as a member. If parliament can't agree then it'll eventually come back down to the people to agree, either by another referendum with a clearly defined action as to what would be the result of each option on the ballot paper, or by a general election, in the hope that whoever got into power next time did so with enough of a majority to make a decision and force it through parliament. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 19:39:31 GMT
It's called democracy the winner gets more votes than the loser (or is it runner up nowadays), 17.4 million voted to leave that's all that counts, the choice if I remember correctly was Remain or Leave get over it FFS it is 2 years and nine months ago since the democratic vote with no progress why ? Things have changed a bit since then, if they haven't then another vote would reflect that? No one's being stopped from voting, people are just more educated on the matter with 3 years of Brexit being thrown in people's faces. For educated read brainwashed  , things have changed a lot in the 43 years since we joined the common market maybe that is why people voted the way they did !, you losers will have your turn to turn over the result in another 43 years just be patient it won't seem that long |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 19:41:19 GMT
The remainers on here seem strangely quite the vote for a second referendum was blown out of the water Even there knight in rusty armour sir jezza of fence sitting Decided to to keep on parking his arse And guess what even if got off his fence found his balls to vote for something he would still be roundly beaten Parliament does not have a majority for a second referendum At least he was able to find a seat to park his Marxist arse on this time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:45:07 GMT
It's a bit naive to think you can win something by a very small majority and not have the other side complain! If it had gone the other way it would have been the same. Is that the same for all results in life, like an election, or a horse race, or a football match etc. etc. etc., I am pretty sure if it had gone the way the majority expected there would have been very little response as the establishment and the whinging whining snowflakes would have got their own way, this has not just been complaining it has been constant mard arseing, crying, fear mongering and deliberate obstruction of the wishes of the majority of voters who could be bothered to vote. UK Democracy is as dead as the Norwegian Blue parrot in the monty python sketch, the only reason it is still visually on the perch is the fact that it has been nailed on. Let's not forget that vote leave broke electoral law, if the laws are broken in other areas I wouldn't be surprised if the outcome was classed as null and void and the whole process had to start again. The other issue with the referendum is that is was advisory only, it wasn't a guarantee that we remain in the EU or a guarantee that we leave. It's a mess. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 19:46:40 GMT
It would have been what the people wanted if it had been the other way around. After a couple of weeks, we would have heard nowt about it. Instead we've wasted 2 years of time and money that could've been spent on improving the country, and we're seemingly no closer to any sort of deal. It's a shambles. Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have a lot to answer for, they promoted the hell out of his but they've left it to the remainers to come up with a plan, and it's seemingly impossible to come up with something better than we have already - so nobody can win. I think that allegation should be aimed at call me Dave, he granted a referendum with only two possible outcomes but the daft twat didn't have any contingency plan for the outcome he didn't want then he fcuked off sharpish, Boris is a fool and Nigel did what he set out to do bearing in mind he was not an MP how could he have taken it forward be sensible. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 19:51:30 GMT
Is that the same for all results in life, like an election, or a horse race, or a football match etc. etc. etc., I am pretty sure if it had gone the way the majority expected there would have been very little response as the establishment and the whinging whining snowflakes would have got their own way, this has not just been complaining it has been constant mard arseing, crying, fear mongering and deliberate obstruction of the wishes of the majority of voters who could be bothered to vote. UK Democracy is as dead as the Norwegian Blue parrot in the monty python sketch, the only reason it is still visually on the perch is the fact that it has been nailed on. Let's not forget that vote leave broke electoral law, if the laws are broken in other areas I wouldn't be surprised if the outcome was classed as null and void and the whole process had to start again. The other issue with the referendum is that is was advisory only, it wasn't a guarantee that we remain in the EU or a guarantee that we leave. It's a mess. Yeh whatever, there are losers and there are sore losers, part of life is learning is to take defeat gracefully ! not to behave like a spoilt brat who has had it's toy's removed kicking and screaming until Mummy gives in. |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 14, 2019 19:54:01 GMT
There was a majority of 1.3m people who voted leave, that's more than the entire population of Birmingham voting leave even if the rest of the country were equally divided! In England alone the difference for a leave vote was nearly 8%. Why on earth with a mandate like that should the country have to choose between May's deal and remain? If there is a second referendum, which there shouldn't, it should be a straightforward choice: 1. Leave with no deal 2. Remain. That won't happen beacause the remain heavy House of Commons are frightened to death and know very well that leave with no deal would smash it. Yes, which is still a 3.6% difference between the two votes, it was incredibly tight. You should support another referendum then if you think leave will win again? You would like to leave with no deal? Our of interest what is your thinking behind that, what are the benefits of having no deal over being a part of the EU? I would support another referendum if the options were as I've said. Benefits? We'd save £10bn a year. Establish our own trade agreements world wide Sovereignty Immigration restrictions What are the benefits of remaining in an increasingly fractious EU? Germany is sliding towards recession, France is witnessing riots every weekend and Italy and Greece are fucked financially. They are supposedly the 4 more stable countries in the EU!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:55:27 GMT
Things have changed a bit since then, if they haven't then another vote would reflect that? No one's being stopped from voting, people are just more educated on the matter with 3 years of Brexit being thrown in people's faces. For educated read brainwashed , things have changed a lot in the 43 years since we joined the common market maybe that is why people voted the way they did !, you losers will have your turn to turn over the result in another 43 years just be patient it won't seem that long If we leave you'll be a 'loser' too, if you go on your holidays outside of the UK or buy anything from outside the UK you're already a loser too, it's costing you over 20% more than it was before the referendum. Has your wage gone up by the same amount? or your pension? I doubt it. What's for certain is that we're all already poorer because of the decision, huge amounts of money and time have already been spent on Brexit by the government - time and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this country, and it's potentially going to get worse. But Brexit means Brexit, it's the peoples will to be poorer, we voted leave, leave means leave... |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 14, 2019 19:59:51 GMT
They're a different breed politicians, they live in their own little bubble totally isolated from the outside world. Whilst the Great British people continue to work to keep the country going, these jokers are playing debating games amongst themselves. They really are childish self obsessed twats who have no concept of what happens in the real world outside of Westminster. I'm at the stage now where I wish there was a general election because I think the public are sick and tired to death of these clowns and there really could be a serious backlash at the polling stations. The problem is that politicians in this era see being an MP as a profession to earn a solid wage and then open all of the doors to directorships, colsultancy and any other way of earning more money. Consequently, they are hard wired to look after themselves first and foremost rather than the very people they are supposed to represent. That’s why they have little empathy with the electorate. Personally, I think you should not be allowed to become an MP unless you can evidence ten years of having had a proper job or dedication to serving communities. I think an MP should also be banned for ten years in taking up any consultancy or directorship once they’ve stepped down or been kicked out. Before anyone says this will deny clever or dynamic applicants to the job of an MP....just look at the shower of shit across the political spectrum doing the job now. Spot on in my opinion xch.They have partly transposed into non-thinking bureacrats who toe the party line.... and are subservient to the EU where policy ( political) decisions are made. They have lost the capability to lead, offer a vision , solutions and ways forward....the EU has a mission, our politicians lack one. |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 14, 2019 20:03:17 GMT
For educated read brainwashed , things have changed a lot in the 43 years since we joined the common market maybe that is why people voted the way they did !, you losers will have your turn to turn over the result in another 43 years just be patient it won't seem that long If we leave you'll be a 'loser' too, if you go on your holidays outside of the UK or buy anything from outside the UK you're already a loser too, it's costing you over 20% more than it was before the referendum. Has your wage gone up by the same amount? or your pension? I doubt it. What's for certain is that we're all already poorer because of the decision, huge amounts of money and time have already been spent on Brexit by the government - time and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this country, and it's potentially going to get worse. But Brexit means Brexit, it's the peoples will to be poorer, we voted leave, leave means leave... This is project fear in it's finery, one of the major reasons Brexit happened is because for years people in the UK have thought their lives could be improved but all of a sudden it's because of Brexit their lives still haven't improved. Nice logic |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 20:03:30 GMT
Let's not forget that vote leave broke electoral law, if the laws are broken in other areas I wouldn't be surprised if the outcome was classed as null and void and the whole process had to start again. The other issue with the referendum is that is was advisory only, it wasn't a guarantee that we remain in the EU or a guarantee that we leave. It's a mess. Yeh whatever, there are losers and there are sore losers, part of life is learning is to take defeat gracefully ! not to behave like a spoilt brat who has had it's toy's removed kicking and screaming until Mummy gives in. I voted remain but I've already Brexited, I left the UK last year so it's not my problem anymore. I decided to try living abroad as I'd had enough of politics in the UK and I don't want to be paying the price of Brexit for the rest of my life, there are more important things to focus on, with UK politics you can never win. |
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Post by neworleanstokie on Mar 14, 2019 20:03:55 GMT
It's a bit naive to think you can win something by a very small majority and not have the other side complain! If it had gone the other way it would have been the same. Is that the same for all results in life, like an election, or a horse race, or a football match etc. etc. etc., I am pretty sure if it had gone the way the majority expected there would have been very little response as the establishment and the whinging whining snowflakes would have got their own way, this has not just been complaining it has been constant mard arseing, crying, fear mongering and deliberate obstruction of the wishes of the majority of voters who could be bothered to vote. UK Democracy is as dead as the Norwegian Blue parrot in the monty python sketch, the only reason it is still visually on the perch is the fact that it has been nailed on. Honestly mate if it had gone the other way I think the Conservative party would have eventually collapsed and who knows what would have come next. As previously stated I'm a Remainer but I do support leaving March 29th because as you note that was what this was all about. Anyone who voted to leave accepted a Hard Brexit was a possibility and was fine with it, otherwise they should have voted Remain. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 20:05:17 GMT
If we leave you'll be a 'loser' too, if you go on your holidays outside of the UK or buy anything from outside the UK you're already a loser too, it's costing you over 20% more than it was before the referendum. Has your wage gone up by the same amount? or your pension? I doubt it. What's for certain is that we're all already poorer because of the decision, huge amounts of money and time have already been spent on Brexit by the government - time and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this country, and it's potentially going to get worse. But Brexit means Brexit, it's the peoples will to be poorer, we voted leave, leave means leave... This is project fear in it's finery, one of the major reasons Brexit happened is because for years people in the UK have thought their lives could be improved but all of a sudden it's because of Brexit their lives still haven't improved. Nice logic But the pound is down against the dollar by about 20% is it not? compared to where it was before we had the referendum. That's not project fear, it's a fact, it's real life. People are already poorer and we haven't even left yet. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 14, 2019 20:06:10 GMT
For educated read brainwashed , things have changed a lot in the 43 years since we joined the common market maybe that is why people voted the way they did !, you losers will have your turn to turn over the result in another 43 years just be patient it won't seem that long If we leave you'll be a 'loser' too, if you go on your holidays outside of the UK or buy anything from outside the UK you're already a loser too, it's costing you over 20% more than it was before the referendum. Has your wage gone up by the same amount? or your pension? I doubt it. What's for certain is that we're all already poorer because of the decision, huge amounts of money and time have already been spent on Brexit by the government - time and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this country, and it's potentially going to get worse. But Brexit means Brexit, it's the peoples will to be poorer, we voted leave, leave means leave... Well it’s took a while in your last sentence you have finally grasped the point leave means leave |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 20:09:30 GMT
For educated read brainwashed , things have changed a lot in the 43 years since we joined the common market maybe that is why people voted the way they did !, you losers will have your turn to turn over the result in another 43 years just be patient it won't seem that long If we leave you'll be a 'loser' too, if you go on your holidays outside of the UK or buy anything from outside the UK you're already a loser too, it's costing you over 20% more than it was before the referendum. Has your wage gone up by the same amount? or your pension? I doubt it. What's for certain is that we're all already poorer because of the decision, huge amounts of money and time have already been spent on Brexit by the government - time and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this country, and it's potentially going to get worse. But Brexit means Brexit, it's the peoples will to be poorer, we voted leave, leave means leave... If it costs 20% or more if we ever do leave I will be surprised, it will not be an easy transaction after 43 years of entanglement with the EU but I believe we will be better off over a longer period of time, yes it could get potentially get worse it could also get potentially get better that's the thing with potential it can go one way or the other  If we ever do get the Brexit we voted for ie. leave you will get your chance in another 43 years to put it right if the EU is still in existence by then of course , change should be embraced can you not see where this EU dictatorship is going, thankfully we still have our own currency.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 14, 2019 20:11:54 GMT
The remainers on here seem strangely quite the vote for a second referendum was blown out of the water Even there knight in rusty armour sir jezza of fence sitting Decided to to keep on parking his arse And guess what even if got off his fence found his balls to vote for something he would still be roundly beaten Parliament does not have a majority for a second referendum Quite right there's no parliamentary majority for a second referendum and there isn't one for No Deal either, so take both off the table? |
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Post by Northy on Mar 14, 2019 20:12:03 GMT
I feel I want to go on a march and shake my fists at somebody Then hang about 400 politicians There's the Leave march from Sunderland to the House of Conmen - 16th to 29th March I think. I've seen that all east coast and they want £50 off you to be a marcher. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 20:13:49 GMT
The remainers on here seem strangely quite the vote for a second referendum was blown out of the water Even there knight in rusty armour sir jezza of fence sitting Decided to to keep on parking his arse And guess what even if got off his fence found his balls to vote for something he would still be roundly beaten Parliament does not have a majority for a second referendum Jeremy Corbyn is an euro sceptic, he does not want to be part of the EU. His talk of supporting one recently is purely a way to get the electorate on side if there's to be another general election. He is not the hero to any person wishing to remain in the EU, I despise every single person in that room this has gone well beyond a tory/labour debate. Are you implying that Corbyn the man of principal is in truth a liar and a charlatan  |
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 14, 2019 20:13:56 GMT
If we leave you'll be a 'loser' too, if you go on your holidays outside of the UK or buy anything from outside the UK you're already a loser too, it's costing you over 20% more than it was before the referendum. Has your wage gone up by the same amount? or your pension? I doubt it. What's for certain is that we're all already poorer because of the decision, huge amounts of money and time have already been spent on Brexit by the government - time and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this country, and it's potentially going to get worse. But Brexit means Brexit, it's the peoples will to be poorer, we voted leave, leave means leave... This is project fear in it's finery, one of the major reasons Brexit happened is because for years people in the UK have thought their lives could be improved but all of a sudden it's because of Brexit their lives still haven't improved. Nice logic Yes. Quite right. Brexit happened because people think that Brexit will improve their lives. |
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There was absolutely nothing in it, it wasn't some unanimous landslide, the country was completely divided. This may well still be the case but we need to take this away from parliament and back to the people because there's too much fucking political point scoring going on. There's people in the commons who aren't arsed what state the country is in so long as they're the ones ruling it. 
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