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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 14, 2019 17:35:02 GMT
VW Laying people off, despite Brexit! “ The apology from Mr Diess came after the German car giant Volkswagen said it would cut 7,000 jobs, as it shifts its focus to electric cars, which require fewer workers to build” Seems to echo words from Honda a few weeks ago. BBC link(the main story is about something else but I thought the lifted quote might ring a few bells or rattle a few cages) Brexit is a convenient excuse anyway for these international companies who will do whatever is necessary to maximise their profits. They will go where labour is cheaper. The could not care less who does their work as long as its at the lowest cost. Whoever it was that moved to Singapore was for their cheaper labour and lower taxes - Brexit game them an excuse. Next we will face automation and what excuses are they going to try to use then? I understand the concerns for smaller businesses who don't make a ton of money where Brexit and the restrictions on trade and tariffs will cause a problem. But these large companies are just using this an excuse. Singapore ? That will be pin-up of the no-deal supporters James Dyson - the bloke who not so long ago said the UK should join the Euro.....
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 14, 2019 17:38:03 GMT
A second referendum ruled out, at least for now. Mainly because Labour abstained, but not sure it would have passed anyway - I don't think it would have as fairly sure there were too many 'no' voters.
An amendment to make this request for an A50 extension time-limited (running out in June I think) has just lost out, very narrowly.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 14, 2019 17:57:54 GMT
Rather surprisingly, the House of Commons has just decided to leave the power of the negotiations in Theresa May's hands.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:02:09 GMT
Rather surprisingly, the House of Commons has just decided to leave the power of the negotiations in Theresa May's hands. Madness, there will never be an agreement on this. Theresa May's only way out with any credibility whatsoever is for people to accept her deal, she doesn't care about what is best for the country - along with the majority of the House of Commons it seems. |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 14, 2019 18:08:20 GMT
Worth having a look at some of the amendments he's rejected in recent days. Imagine if he'd have unleashed some of these badboys  : Amendment (a) on Scottish independenceTabled by the Scottish National Party and backed by Plaid Cymru, this amendment states that Scotland should not be forced to leave the EU against its will and that its “best future” lies in becoming an independent and sovereign member of the EU. Amendment (b) from the Independent GroupThis calls for an extension or revocation of the Article 50 negotiation process to allow for a second referendum by the end of September on whether to go ahead with any deal agreed by Parliament or remain in the EU. Amendment (c) on extending or revoking Article 50The first of multiple amendments tabled by the Lib Dems, this calls for the UK’s notice of intention to withdraw from the EU to be revoked before exit day on 29 March, unless the remaining 27 member states agree to an extension. Amendment (d) on extending Article 50 for a referendumAnother amendment tabled by the Lib Dems. This calls for an extension of the Article 50 negotiation process beyond 29 March to allow for a second referendum on whether to exit under the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement or stay in the EU. Amendment (e) on making Brexit a priority in ParliamentThis amendment would require debate on the “crisis” over the UK’s future relationship with the EU to take priority over any other business in the Commons every day until 29 March. It was again tabled by the Lib Dems. Amendment (g) is a private member’s billThis has been tabled by Labour backbencher Geraint Davies and backed by a handful of Labour, Lib Dem and Plaid MPs. This amendment would require Mrs May to seek an extension to negotiations and would secure parliamentary time to debate and vote on Mr Davies’ private member’s bill paving the way for a second referendum. Amendment (h) on revoking Article 50A cross-party amendment, this would simply require Mrs May by 29 March to withdraw the UK’s notice of intention to leave the EU. Amendment (i) from Plaid CymruThis amendment would require Article 50 to be extended to 2021, with a referendum at the end of that period with Remain on the ballot paper. Amendment (j) on a Scottish referendumThis amendment, from the SNP’s Angus MacNeil, would require ministers to authorise a Scottish independence referendum. Amendment (f) on the economyA final amendment from the Lib Dems would require the Government to create an emergency Brexit Support Fund of at least £7.5 billion to mitigate the impact of job losses caused by Brexit. They're a different breed politicians, they live in their own little bubble totally isolated from the outside world. Whilst the Great British people continue to work to keep the country going, these jokers are playing debating games amongst themselves. They really are childish self obsessed twats who have no concept of what happens in the real world outside of Westminster. I'm at the stage now where I wish there was a general election because I think the public are sick and tired to death of these clowns and there really could be a serious backlash at the polling stations. The problem is that politicians in this era see being an MP as a profession to earn a solid wage and then open all of the doors to directorships, colsultancy and any other way of earning more money. Consequently, they are hard wired to look after themselves first and foremost rather than the very people they are supposed to represent. That’s why they have little empathy with the electorate. Personally, I think you should not be allowed to become an MP unless you can evidence ten years of having had a proper job or dedication to serving communities. I think an MP should also be banned for ten years in taking up any consultancy or directorship once they’ve stepped down or been kicked out. Before anyone says this will deny clever or dynamic applicants to the job of an MP....just look at the shower of shit across the political spectrum doing the job now. |
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Post by auntiegeorge on Mar 14, 2019 18:08:52 GMT
Whatever has happened to this country?
One upon a time we had an empire led by an emperor.
Then we had a kingdom led by a king.
Now we just have a country.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 14, 2019 18:11:31 GMT
Corbyn has just lost his amendment, although I'm so confused I've forgotten what it was and now I've lost my f*cking mind trying to understand everything.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 18:12:59 GMT
Whatever has happened to this country? One upon a time we had an empire led by an emperor. Then we had a kingdom led by a king. Now we just have a country. led by a chicken ? oh no you mean a |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 18:14:47 GMT
Corbyn has just lost his amendment, although I'm so confused I've forgotten what it was and now I've lost my f*cking mind trying to understand everything. Customs Union do keep up. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 14, 2019 18:19:55 GMT
Corbyn has just lost his amendment, although I'm so confused I've forgotten what it was and now I've lost my f*cking mind trying to understand everything. Customs Union do keep up. Actually it wasn't, it's all coming back to me now. It was to call for an extension of Article 50 specifically to find a new strategy to negotiate Brexit. So now they go to vote solely for an extension of Article 50, without giving a reason - the reason I assume will be decided by May (as it's gone so well when things have been left to her in the past  ). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:26:33 GMT
I would love some of these MPs who are resigning due to their votes to join the indp group.
The tories and labour are both a shambles, the lib dems lost any credibility a decade ago and the alternative is what? Farage? That idea makes me sick to my stomach.
Politics in this country is a shambles.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2019 18:26:33 GMT
Labour are now Ruth less, I hear....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:30:09 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.'
The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 14, 2019 18:30:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:31:28 GMT
It's delaying the inevitable and kicking the can down the road. It's all designed to weaken public opinion on what will be a total betrayal of democracy. I can't wait for the next election. I will be voting for anyone other than the current incumbent to send a very clear message.
I hope everyone up and down the country does the same in their constituencies.
These people are not acting for the people who put them in power, they are acting solely for themselves and their careers.
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Post by henry on Mar 14, 2019 18:32:01 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.' The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted. I'm sick of the mantra that leaving the EU is "crashing out" |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:36:42 GMT
What will happen first, I'm going for A:
A - Stoke win promotion back to the Premier League
B - The UK leaves the EU
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 14, 2019 18:38:18 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.' The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted. You're quite right, there wasn't 2% in it. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2019 18:38:37 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.' The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted. It would have been what the people wanted if it had been the other way around. After a couple of weeks, we would have heard nowt about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:42:25 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.' The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted. It would have been what the people wanted if it had been the other way around. After a couple of weeks, we would have heard nowt about it. Instead we've wasted 2 years of time and money that could've been spent on improving the country, and we're seemingly no closer to any sort of deal. It's a shambles. Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have a lot to answer for, they promoted the hell out of his but they've left it to the remainers to come up with a plan, and it's seemingly impossible to come up with something better than we have already - so nobody can win. |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 14, 2019 18:43:44 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.' The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted. Erm, it kind of was what the people wanted because they were asked and they voted. It’s called democracy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:45:22 GMT
Brexit is a convenient excuse anyway for these international companies who will do whatever is necessary to maximise their profits. They will go where labour is cheaper. The could not care less who does their work as long as its at the lowest cost. Whoever it was that moved to Singapore was for their cheaper labour and lower taxes - Brexit game them an excuse. Next we will face automation and what excuses are they going to try to use then? I understand the concerns for smaller businesses who don't make a ton of money where Brexit and the restrictions on trade and tariffs will cause a problem. But these large companies are just using this an excuse. Singapore ? That will be pin-up of the no-deal supporters James Dyson - the bloke who not so long ago said the UK should join the Euro.....
Exactly. He used Brexit as an excuse. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2019 18:46:42 GMT
It would have been what the people wanted if it had been the other way around. After a couple of weeks, we would have heard nowt about it. Instead we've wasted 2 years of time and money that could've been spent on improving the country, and we're seemingly no closer to any sort of deal. It's a shambles. Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have a lot to answer for, they promoted the hell out of his but they've left it to the remainers to come up with a plan, and it's seemingly impossible to come up with something better than we have already - so nobody can win. Oh, I agree with you on that. I still don't know what happened to the free trade deal we were apparently offered? |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 14, 2019 18:47:19 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.' The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted. Erm, it kind of was what the people wanted because they were asked and they voted. It’s called democracy. Gareth Snell only got 51.5% of the constituency electorate at the last election. I want another vote!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:47:37 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.' The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted. Erm, it kind of was what the people wanted because they were asked and they voted. It’s called democracy. Given the current impasse we're going to be relying on democracy again to sort this mess out, either in another referendum or a general election, either way it's going to take years to sort out. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:50:41 GMT
I'm sick of this mantra of having to deliver Brexit because it's 'what the people wanted.' The country was split, there wasn't even 2% in it, the vote showed that the population didn't know what they wanted. You're quite right, there wasn't 2% in it. Classic, when there's no valid retort go with semantics  There was absolutely nothing in it, it wasn't some unanimous landslide, the country was completely divided. This may well still be the case but we need to take this away from parliament and back to the people because there's too much fucking political point scoring going on. There's people in the commons who aren't arsed what state the country is in so long as they're the ones ruling it. In the time since Brexit the populace is miles better educated on the matter, another vote is the only sensible option. The EU are done negotiating, the logical choice is to have another referendum where the choices are May's Deal or Remain. You could also have a third option of leaving with no deal but it would unfairly split the vote of the people who wish to leave. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:53:38 GMT
It would have been what the people wanted if it had been the other way around. After a couple of weeks, we would have heard nowt about it. Instead we've wasted 2 years of time and money that could've been spent on improving the country, and we're seemingly no closer to any sort of deal. It's a shambles. Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have a lot to answer for, they promoted the hell out of his but they've left it to the remainers to come up with a plan, and it's seemingly impossible to come up with something better than we have already - so nobody can win. Boris is biding his time and waiting for a chance to be PM, Farage is riding the wave trying to stay relevant as long as possible. Both are just leeches, feeding off of xenophobia and people's fear for their livelihoods. |
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Post by dexta on Mar 14, 2019 18:56:35 GMT
Cameron is a Twat
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:05:09 GMT
Instead we've wasted 2 years of time and money that could've been spent on improving the country, and we're seemingly no closer to any sort of deal. It's a shambles. Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have a lot to answer for, they promoted the hell out of his but they've left it to the remainers to come up with a plan, and it's seemingly impossible to come up with something better than we have already - so nobody can win. Boris is biding his time and waiting for a chance to be PM, Farage is riding the wave trying to stay relevant as long as possible. Both are just leeches, feeding off of xenophobia and people's fear for their livelihoods. Absolutely, but Theresa May is the same too - she is only negotiating because she wanted to be PM, she doesn't believe leaving the EU is a good idea, she's not doing it for the good of the country, she's doing it so her name goes down in history, nothing more, nothing less. Meanwhile the Labour Party (as is always the case with the opposition in this country regardless of who is in power) will use it as a political hammer and do their upmost to block any sensible deal, what they really want is for everything to come crashing down, blame the Tories, and then they'll get another crack at the whip. The political situation in the UK is seriously messed up, as it is in the US, and many other countries too. But perhaps it needs to fall apart completely in order for people to do what is necessary and to replace it, to do away with the idea that there is always two main parties. What we actually need is a system like in Switzerland, where politicians have to work together, and they don't just tow the party line - they vote based on what is good for the country, they are not celebrities. In any other country there would have already been another referendum on this, possibly multiple. The rest of the world knows this but for some reason it's not seen as a democratic option in the UK when in fact it's one of the few democratic options that can solve this. |
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 14, 2019 19:06:30 GMT
Kuennsberg though... would you? She's got that austere educated Scottish "we celebrate Burns Night with poetry" dourness about her. But then again I've had worse. A lot worse.
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There was absolutely nothing in it, it wasn't some unanimous landslide, the country was completely divided. This may well still be the case but we need to take this away from parliament and back to the people because there's too much fucking political point scoring going on. There's people in the commons who aren't arsed what state the country is in so long as they're the ones ruling it. 
