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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 20:43:54 GMT
I too am a Europhile. Europe is a hotbed of "culture". Architecture, History, Opera, Art, Music, landscapes .... A beautiful continent.
The EU on the other hand is a sticking cesspit of greed and self interest. Bureaucracy by fucking idiots, on steroids.
I think tonight of all nights you keep your powder dry on the state of governments and bureaucracy.. With all due respect. Not at all. We need to get out of the EU at all costs. Get our house in order, and finally move on. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 13, 2019 20:44:46 GMT
I too am a Europhile. Europe is a hotbed of "culture". Architecture, History, Opera, Art, Music, landscapes .... A beautiful continent. The EU on the other hand is a sticking cesspit of greed and self interest. Bureaucracy by fucking idiots, on steroids.
I think tonight of all nights you keep your powder dry on the state of governments and bureaucracy.. With all due respect. Fair enough still doesn’t alter the fact that tomorrow the EU will still be run by self interested fucking idiots on steroids |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 13, 2019 20:46:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 20:48:19 GMT
Classic M.P. hypocrisy again, this time from Hilary Benn - he's just said that the Prime Minister should show some respect and "honour the House of Conmen democratic decision to tonight's vote". He seems to carefully forget that the House of Conmen have completely forgotten and/or ignored the "democratic decision of the 2016 referendum". There is absolutely nobody worth voting for. Democracy only counts when they decree it does. I hope they suffer for this. But wouldn’t the conservatives love for all the working class areas that voted for Brexit never to vote again... |
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 13, 2019 20:48:31 GMT
I think tonight of all nights you keep your powder dry on the state of governments and bureaucracy.. With all due respect. Not at all. We need to get out of the EU at all costs. Get our house in order, and finally move on. "Get our house in order" How do you propose to do that then ? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 13, 2019 20:49:39 GMT
I see Nigel Farage has said he will be lobbying foreign governments to veto an article 50 extension. I remember there was outrage when Jeremy Corbyn and Tony Blair were seen meeting EU leaders, so I can only imagine the fury that is about to rain down on this board at this latest development.
Fire away lads.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 13, 2019 20:51:36 GMT
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Post by 1963 on Mar 13, 2019 20:51:52 GMT
How many on here understood what they voted for - either way?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 13, 2019 20:54:05 GMT
What does it take for a pathetic shower of shit Prime Minister to resign these days? Incest? Murder? Public buggery on the cenotaph? A halfway decent or competent leader of the opposition, join the dots momo. I'm not sure that's the point here though fyd. She has staked not only her political reputation on this but her personal authority and dignity and has been humiliated at every turn. It's just not normal (and borderline unconstitutional) she's still in situ! Not entirely her fault though, the Conservatives sat next to her and behind her don't want to be caught on duty which is understandable to a degree but also displays deep, deep cowardice. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 21:00:52 GMT
Yes don’t vote labour and so increase the conservatives chances of getting voted in. That’s a fab idea working class leavers. Especially when most of our gripes are the fault of the fucking Tories not the EU in the first place. Honestly you couldn’t make this shit up. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 13, 2019 21:01:22 GMT
I remember when all we apparently wanted was for elected British politicians to decide the future of the country. Now when they do democracy is pronounced dead. |
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Post by chamberlain on Mar 13, 2019 21:03:50 GMT
I see Nigel Farage has said he will be lobbying foreign governments to veto an article 50 extension. I remember there was outrage when Jeremy Corbyn and Tony Blair were seen meeting EU leaders, so I can only imagine the fury that is about to rain down on this board at this latest development. Fire away lads. What's good for the goose and all that |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 13, 2019 21:04:11 GMT
Much closer than expected can we cry, whinge, and moan like a drain until they re run the vote ?, today has finally confirmed the death of Brexit and Democracy  to all those who brought this about including the man of principal Corbin. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 13, 2019 21:04:26 GMT
Yes don’t vote labour and so increase the conservatives chances of getting voting in. That’s a fab idea working class leavers. Especially when most of our gripes are the fault of the fucking Tories not the EU in the first place. Honestly you couldn’t make this shit up. Brexit is not party Political and if anything the natural Labour position should be Leave. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 21:04:49 GMT
Another infuriating day in the House of Conmen !
Angela Eagle this time - complaining that the "will of the house" should be respected - Errr HELLO !!!!!! What about the "will of the people" - REMEMBER THEM ? The ones who put you there in the first place !
I heard Labour's Jess Phillips earlier having a really arrogant and condescending go at
"those 17.4 million people" !
"Who are these people ? We don't have anything to fear from them at all ! Our job is to lead them the way we want them to go !".
Tory M.P. Caroline Spelman this afternoon read out a letter from one of her constituents who basically said that he and his family voted leave, but the Leave result has been systematically
ignored at every turn by the totally out of touch M.P.'s. He went on to say that if Article 50 was extended and Brexit was ultimately overturned that he and his family would never vote again as their vote was effectively worthless. She said that there are many voters around the country who feel this way. There wasn't even a flicker of response in the House.
Ken Clark then stood up and said that in his view Article 50 should be revoked as the voters "didn't understand that they would be voting to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union" - met with loud cheers and "hear, hear" from all areas of the House.
The arrogance of these shysters is unbelievable and seemingly knows no bounds. They just can't see or more likely just don't care that what they are doing is totally and utterly pissing off vast swathes of the electorate.
Complete and utter bast*rds !!!!!!!
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 13, 2019 21:06:38 GMT
Yes don’t vote labour and so increase the conservatives chances of getting voting in. That’s a fab idea working class leavers. Especially when most of our gripes are the fault of the fucking Tories not the EU in the first place. Honestly you couldn’t make this shit up. If that is the case why did Labour not win by a landslide in the last election, maybe they need to change their leader who couldn't bet the useless may despite offering free unicorns for all, just think about that for a moment. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 13, 2019 21:07:11 GMT
I remember when all we apparently wanted was for elected British politicians to decide the future of the country. Now when they do democracy is pronounced dead. Unfortunately they have betrayed their " title" of honourable... demonststes what the disenfranchised are up against, particularly when many are either taken in by the deceit or see it as a big game |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 13, 2019 21:09:58 GMT
Yes don’t vote labour and so increase the conservatives chances of getting voting in. That’s a fab idea working class leavers. Especially when most of our gripes are the fault of the fucking Tories not the EU in the first place. Honestly you couldn’t make this shit up. Brexit is not party Political and if anything the natural Labour position should be Leave. Corbin has campaigned all his political career to leave the EU until his errmm his Union paymasters told him otherwise, the man is a shit house of monumental proportions. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 21:10:55 GMT
Yes don’t vote labour and so increase the conservatives chances of getting voting in. That’s a fab idea working class leavers. Especially when most of our gripes are the fault of the fucking Tories not the EU in the first place. Honestly you couldn’t make this shit up. Brexit is not party Political and if anything the natural Labour position should be Leave. I don’t disagree but the tweet says Labour leavers won’t forget. What does that mean? They won’t vote Labour again? So all that does is mean the Tories are more likely to get in. Wouldnt they just absolutely love it if these working class areas that voted for Brexit never vote again. As I said yesterday I would leave if it was a labour government in charge of leaving. There is no way I would want to leave with no deal with the Tories in charge and employment rights not protected. But a lot of the issues that made people vote leave aren’t really the fault of the EU but Tory policy. We have no industry, we have zero hours contracts, there’s “no money” for the NHS and schools. There are many things to dislike about the EU but I think most of the issues lie with the Tory policy we’ve had over the last 40 years (in which i include the government under Tony Blair as well). You then stop voting for Labour because of this, which is a betrayal of democracy I don’t disagree, and it’s not going to solve anything |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 21:16:41 GMT
Hmmmm……...I'm very surprised at this article I've just found. According to the Independent a few days ago (can't do the link at the moment)
Labour voters in the North and Midlands strongly back the party’s shift on a new Brexit referendum, according to a poll.
The move is supported by 75% of people who voted Labour in the 2017 general election and expressed a preference, a YouGov survey for the People’s Vote campaign shows.
More than one third, 35%, said the policy change to push for a new Brexit vote made them feel more favourably towards Labour, while 14% said it made them feel less so.
The survey of 5,000 voters across the North, Yorkshire and Humber and the Midlands found that 76% would support staying in the EU, with 24% against.
If it was a choice between Remain and backing prime minister Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement, the split would be 81% to 19% in favour of staying in the EU, according to the survey.
Only 14% of those polled wanted their MP to back the government’s proposed terms for leaving the EU.
And more than two thirds, 68%, said it was more important to maintain frictionless free trade than control immigration, while 17% disagreed with the statement.
Peter Kellner, former president of YouGov, said: “The myth that Labour voters in the party’s heartlands favour Brexit is just that - a myth.
“Those who voted Labour in 2017 in the Midlands and North favoured Remain by two-to-one in 2016, support Remain by three-to-one today; and, if given a referendum choice
between Remain and Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement, back Remain by four-to-one.
“That explains why such big majorities of these Labour voters want a new public vote and approve of Labour’s new policy.
“This survey also suggests that Labour’s heartland supporters are less hostile to immigration than is commonly thought.”
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 13, 2019 21:17:06 GMT
Brexit is not party Political and if anything the natural Labour position should be Leave. I don’t disagree but the tweet says Labour leavers won’t forget. What does that mean? They won’t vote Labour again? So all that does is mean the Tories are more likely to get in. Wouldnt they just absolutely love it if these working class areas that voted for Brexit never vote again. As I said yesterday I would leave if it was a labour government in charge of leaving. There is no way I would want to leave with no deal with the Tories in charge and employment rights not protected. But a lot of the issues that made people vote leave aren’t really the fault of the EU but Tory policy. We have no industry, we have zero hours contracts, there’s “no money” for the NHS and schools. There are many things to dislike about the EU but I think most of the issues lie with the Tory policy we’ve had over the last 40 years (in which i include the government under Tony Blair as well). You then stop voting for Labour because of this, which is a betrayal of democracy I don’t disagree, and it’s not going to solve anything Labour have missed the greatest opportunity to change Britain since 1945. They have offered their people no vision whatsoever. I say that as s frustrated ex member of the Labour party who was once treated with suspicion, accused of being a member of Militant tendency ( I wasn't) |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 13, 2019 21:17:14 GMT
There is absolutely nobody worth voting for. Democracy only counts when they decree it does. I hope they suffer for this. But wouldn’t the conservatives love for all the working class areas that voted for Brexit never to vote again... I think the ruling class might. That's why I think this is so important. I have no problem with anyone who voted Remain, but I have a problem with politicians overruling a democratic decision. I think everyone should be uneasy about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 21:24:17 GMT
I don’t disagree but the tweet says Labour leavers won’t forget. What does that mean? They won’t vote Labour again? So all that does is mean the Tories are more likely to get in. Wouldnt they just absolutely love it if these working class areas that voted for Brexit never vote again. As I said yesterday I would leave if it was a labour government in charge of leaving. There is no way I would want to leave with no deal with the Tories in charge and employment rights not protected. But a lot of the issues that made people vote leave aren’t really the fault of the EU but Tory policy. We have no industry, we have zero hours contracts, there’s “no money” for the NHS and schools. There are many things to dislike about the EU but I think most of the issues lie with the Tory policy we’ve had over the last 40 years (in which i include the government under Tony Blair as well). You then stop voting for Labour because of this, which is a betrayal of democracy I don’t disagree, and it’s not going to solve anything Labour have missed the greatest opportunity to change Britain since 1945. They have offered their people no vision whatsoever. I say that as s frustrated ex member of the Labour party who was once treated with suspicion, accused of being a member of Militant tendency ( I wasn't) I don’t disagree. I think it has been handled really poorly. Basically this seems to have all been used as a ploy to get a general election I feel and the conversatives are doing everything they can to avoid it. It is a complete circus and a joke. I just worry that many labour voters who voted to leave will now not vote labour, or at all, anymore and that isn’t going to help them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 21:48:24 GMT
Yeah, a failure to deliver a satisfactory Brexit has happened That because our parliament is full of career politicians queuing up for a pat and a scratch on the back from the Brussels boys with no respect for democracy Shameful. ...scary future ahead for us all RIP Great Britain |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 13, 2019 21:48:34 GMT
Labour have missed the greatest opportunity to change Britain since 1945. They have offered their people no vision whatsoever. I say that as s frustrated ex member of the Labour party who was once treated with suspicion, accused of being a member of Militant tendency ( I wasn't) I don’t disagree. I think it has been handled really poorly. Basically this seems to have all been used as a ploy to get a general election I feel and the conversatives are doing everything they can to avoid it. It is a complete circus and a joke. I just worry that many labour voters who voted to leave will now not vote labour, or at all, anymore and that isn’t going to help them. Up until the Iraq war I voted Labour at every election and I do mean every local, national and even European MEP, I will never vote Labour again as long as I live the natural Labour stance would be to leave the EU this in my opinion is not a natural Labour Party, I can not and never will vote Tory so unless a credible alternative suddenly appears I personally will not be voting again rant over. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 13, 2019 21:55:14 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 13, 2019 21:58:12 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 13, 2019 21:58:17 GMT
I said the same thing ages ago, but not as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 22:03:36 GMT
Interestingly the two labour MPs in stoke voted for the motion ruling out no deal whereas the Tory MP voted against.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 22:04:20 GMT
I don’t disagree. I think it has been handled really poorly. Basically this seems to have all been used as a ploy to get a general election I feel and the conversatives are doing everything they can to avoid it. It is a complete circus and a joke. I just worry that many labour voters who voted to leave will now not vote labour, or at all, anymore and that isn’t going to help them. Up until the Iraq war I voted Labour at every election and I do mean every local, national and even European MEP, I will never vote Labour again as long as I live the natural Labour stance would be to leave the EU this in my opinion is not a natural Labour Party, I can not and never will vote Tory so unless a credible alternative suddenly appears I personally will not be voting again rant over. The Labour Party has betrayed its voters many times but for me the worst thing is the Tories being in power and what they have done to this country. Not voting Labour essentially helps the Tories get in. I try to think of it as voting to stop what I don’t want. Otherwise I don’t know how you change things. I’ve thought and thought and all I’ve got is: 1. Invent a time machine and go back to 1984/1985 show the teachers and the doctors and the nurses and even the police what’s happened to them so the general strike is called 2. Find a way to bring Tony Benn back from the dead and vote for him to lead the country Alas I fear we are stuck with a choice of what is less offensive than the alternative and that for me will be Labour over Tory |
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to all those who brought this about including the man of principal Corbin.
