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Post by crapslinger on Mar 13, 2019 15:48:11 GMT
I think the depth of the betrayal will be more evident after the vote this evening, that wishy washy May deal was never going to succeed, even she didn't believe it would a total sham leading to taking no deal off the table and forcing another vote (peoples vote  ), hopefully she will be forced to resign with someone who actually believes in the process taking over though I fear it is too late. Rejecting the Withdrawal Agreement means we leave the EU on March 29th with no deal. MP's can vote all they like tonight to take no deal off the table, but there is no guarantee that the EU27 will agree to an extension of Article 50. Whatever the case, I don't think we're "on the brink" of remaining in the EU, unless the Government revokes Article 50. There may well a further referendum in the future, but it'll be a way off just yet if there is. Now that would be poetic justice for the remoaners. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 13, 2019 15:58:55 GMT
I would welcome another so called people's vote . Although I'm not sure who the voted in the last referendum, wasn't that also the people . What will the likes of Blair , greeve , soubry do if the people vote again for brexit ? Will they then still oppose the will of the people ? Will labour support the will of the people ? I have been thinking the same. Just say a second referendum finished 60-40 Leave, would something abhorrent to some Remainers suddenly become palatable just because more people voted for it? You are either against something on principle or you aren't. A bigger majority should make no difference. What if it ended 50-50? No, you have given us the choice(you didn't have to), you promised in manifestos to honour the result, and you triggered Article 50. Don't bat it on to us because you can't handle the responsibility, and want us to have changed our minds. |
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Post by M on Mar 13, 2019 16:10:21 GMT
More deflection and conjecture with a bit of libel to boot. At least you're being consistent with those fools who started and negotiated the mess we are in. Bravo. The EHCR are starting to investigate Labour for institutional racism, only other party they have investigated is the BNP. Corbyn and his aides have been caught bang to rights interferring in the disciplinary action where he is mates with the people involved and reducing their punishments. So I am happy with calling him racist grandpa, the rest please tell me of a major difference between labour plan and actual deal offered. The ECHR (I've corrected that for you) could, but they are under no means currently investigating; they're actually asking Labour to explain what is happening. I'm also not sure of a single complaint of Corbyn being Anti-Semitic? Please show me? I'm no spokesman for the opposition but calling it's leader a racist because a very tiny percentage of his party are naughty doesn't seem accurate. It's like me calling May a racist because the Tories just expelled 14 Tory members over the last 2 weeks over Islamophobia? Now I know there was a cross party investigation in to anti-semitism is politics recently and it found that 75% of that actually came from the far right and also found that quote "no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other party.". As a reminder, this was a cross party investigation. Does that mean anti semitism doesn't exist? No. Does it mean it can't be improved? No. Does it mean the leader of the opposition is a racist? Also, No. So you calling him one is factually inaccurate. For what its worth, I reckon he is a full blown anti zionist; but that is a totally different conversation all together. Back to what you were attacking the opposition over (which has nothing to do with the Tories screwing up Brexit). Major difference in policies? Ongoing access to the single market, alignment on employment rights and a permanent Customs Union with the EU which has been received very well by the EU and I think they said was a game changer. Basically a softer Brexit. Key thing is a deal that can get through the HOC and that type of deal is one that can. Does it mean it will satisfy everyone? No, but nothing will. Does it mean it would get through? Well the words back from the EU were positive. It's also probably positive that the opposition haven't held the EU in absolute contempt for a few decades as a helpful starting point in the negotiations as it helps. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 13, 2019 16:21:40 GMT
I would welcome another so called people's vote . Although I'm not sure who the voted in the last referendum, wasn't that also the people . What will the likes of Blair , greeve , soubry do if the people vote again for brexit ? Will they then still oppose the will of the people ? Will labour support the will of the people ? But they didn't know what they were voting for even though it was a simple choice Leave or Remain  |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 13, 2019 16:39:57 GMT
Hammond's "You've never had it so good" speech echoed his earlier threat of all these goodies only being on offer if we take a soft as shit, not really Brexit. Yet another prediction coming true.
Fucking pathetic.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 13, 2019 17:12:55 GMT
The EHCR are starting to investigate Labour for institutional racism, only other party they have investigated is the BNP. Corbyn and his aides have been caught bang to rights interferring in the disciplinary action where he is mates with the people involved and reducing their punishments. So I am happy with calling him racist grandpa, the rest please tell me of a major difference between labour plan and actual deal offered. The ECHR (I've corrected that for you) could, but they are under no means currently investigating; they're actually asking Labour to explain what is happening. I'm also not sure of a single complaint of Corbyn being Anti-Semitic? Please show me? I'm no spokesman for the opposition but calling it's leader a racist because a very tiny percentage of his party are naughty doesn't seem accurate. It's like me calling May a racist because the Tories just expelled 14 Tory members over the last 2 weeks over Islamophobia? Now I know there was a cross party investigation in to anti-semitism is politics recently and it found that 75% of that actually came from the far right and also found that quote "no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other party.". As a reminder, this was a cross party investigation. Does that mean anti semitism doesn't exist? No. Does it mean it can't be improved? No. Does it mean the leader of the opposition is a racist? Also, No. So you calling him one is factually inaccurate. For what its worth, I reckon he is a full blown anti zionist; but that is a totally different conversation all together. Back to what you were attacking the opposition over (which has nothing to do with the Tories screwing up Brexit). Major difference in policies? Ongoing access to the single market, alignment on employment rights and a permanent Customs Union with the EU which has been received very well by the EU and I think they said was a game changer. Basically a softer Brexit. Key thing is a deal that can get through the HOC and that type of deal is one that can. Does it mean it will satisfy everyone? No, but nothing will. Does it mean it would get through? Well the words back from the EU were positive. It's also probably positive that the opposition haven't held the EU in absolute contempt for a few decades as a helpful starting point in the negotiations as it helps. Margaret Hodge and a few other people have openly called corbyn anti semitic, the same corbyn who sued over being called a foreign spy has taken no action. I am not going to even list the wreaths, holocaust deniers, terrorists and anti semities he counts as friends if it barks like a dog..... Ongoing access to the single market every country in the world has access to the single market FFS only difference is tariffs they face, employment rights already been said they will be kept the same and the addition of a permanent customs union FFS the EU only think its a game changer because its remain for those too dumb to realise when you add a customs union. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 13, 2019 17:14:43 GMT
Nice to see The Chancellor extending the wicked, murdering, policy of austerity in todays spring statement and this multi-millionaire twat is supposed to be the moderate one. Imagine Brext in the hands of the likes of the Victorian Ghost, Francois and the like. Doesn’t fucking bear thinking about. Still better than eating cats and dogs under racist grandpa though  |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 13, 2019 17:31:31 GMT
I would welcome another so called people's vote . Although I'm not sure who the voted in the last referendum, wasn't that also the people . What will the likes of Blair , greeve , soubry do if the people vote again for brexit ? Will they then still oppose the will of the people ? Will labour support the will of the people ? The problem will be the question on the ballot paper, I have already heard remainers talking in terms of two options: 1. May's Withdrawal Agreement Deal 2. Remain. I think that is pretty much guaranteed as the two options for any second 'people's vote' |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 13, 2019 17:36:33 GMT
Nice to see The Chancellor extending the wicked, murdering, policy of austerity in todays spring statement and this multi-millionaire twat is supposed to be the moderate one. Imagine Brext in the hands of the likes of the Victorian Ghost, Francois and the like. Doesn’t fucking bear thinking about. Still better than eating cats and dogs under racist grandpa though Venezuela Mk II a Socialist success |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 13, 2019 17:37:22 GMT
I would welcome another so called people's vote . Although I'm not sure who the voted in the last referendum, wasn't that also the people . What will the likes of Blair , greeve , soubry do if the people vote again for brexit ? Will they then still oppose the will of the people ? Will labour support the will of the people ? The problem will be the question on the ballot paper, I have already heard remainers talking in terms of two options: 1. May's Withdrawal Agreement Deal 2. Remain. I think that is pretty much guaranteed as the two options for any second 'people's vote' Simple three questions 1. Remain 2. Leave with may’s deal 3. Leave with no deal If remain fails to achieve more than 50 % then we leave with which ever was the highest vote is the type of brexit we leave with |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 13, 2019 17:47:46 GMT
Nice to see The Chancellor extending the wicked, murdering, policy of austerity in todays spring statement and this multi-millionaire twat is supposed to be the moderate one. Imagine Brext in the hands of the likes of the Victorian Ghost, Francois and the like. Doesn’t fucking bear thinking about. Still better than eating cats and dogs under racist grandpa though Yeah like the UN says is happening right now under Throaty and the Jellyfish and exactly what the Victorian ghost and Fatty Francois actually desire with their dystopian version of Brexit, where the working class are simply sweating mules for the wealth generation of what they see as the superior class! |
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 13, 2019 17:49:59 GMT
I would welcome another so called people's vote . Although I'm not sure who the voted in the last referendum, wasn't that also the people . What will the likes of Blair , greeve , soubry do if the people vote again for brexit ? Will they then still oppose the will of the people ? Will labour support the will of the people ? The problem will be the question on the ballot paper, I have already heard remainers talking in terms of two options: 1. May's Withdrawal Agreement Deal 2. Remain. I think that is pretty much guaranteed as the two options for any second 'people's vote' So that's basically remain or remain |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 13, 2019 17:54:53 GMT
Still better than eating cats and dogs under racist grandpa though Yeah like the UN says is happening right now under Throaty and the Jellyfish and exactly what the Victorian ghost and Fatty Francois actually desire with their dystopian version of Brexit, where the working class are simply sweating mules for the wealth generation of what they see as the superior class! Now now no reason to be sizeist |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 13, 2019 18:04:47 GMT
It will be interesting to see how TM votes tonight; will she back a no deal Brexit?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 13, 2019 18:05:27 GMT
The problem will be the question on the ballot paper, I have already heard remainers talking in terms of two options: 1. May's Withdrawal Agreement Deal 2. Remain. I think that is pretty much guaranteed as the two options for any second 'people's vote' Simple three questions 1. Remain 2. Leave with may’s deal 3. Leave with no deal If remain fails to achieve more than 50 % then we leave with which ever was the highest vote is the type of brexit we leave with What about. 1. Remain or leave? 2. If leave wins ... Do you want to leave with a) May's deal or b) No deal? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 13, 2019 18:06:22 GMT
Yeah like the UN says is happening right now under Throaty and the Jellyfish and exactly what the Victorian ghost and Fatty Francois actually desire with their dystopian version of Brexit, where the working class are simply sweating mules for the wealth generation of what they see as the superior class! Now now no reason to be sizeist He's not on the cats and dogs down the foodbank, Mr Francois is he. He's 2/3rds duck liver. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 13, 2019 18:06:36 GMT
It will be interesting to see how TM votes tonight; will she back a no deal Brexit? She's already said that she we will vote for us not to leave on the 29th with no deal. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 13, 2019 18:15:24 GMT
What about. 1. Remain or leave? We've already had this vote. 'Leave' won by well over ONE MILLION votes. Please convince me asto why: 1. We need to have this vote again? 2. If 'Leave' wins (again) why should we believe it will be respected it this time? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 13, 2019 18:15:55 GMT
Simple three questions 1. Remain 2. Leave with may’s deal 3. Leave with no deal If remain fails to achieve more than 50 % then we leave with which ever was the highest vote is the type of brexit we leave with What about. 1. Remain or leave? 2. If leave wins ... Do you want to leave with a) May's deal or b) No deal? Remain shouldn't be on the ballot paper. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 13, 2019 18:19:07 GMT
What about. 1. Remain or leave? We've already had this vote. 'Leave' won by well over ONE MILLION votes. Please convince me asto why: 1. We need to have this vote again? 2. If 'Leave' wins (again) why should we believe it will be respected it this time? That's a different discussion. I was offering wagastokie an alternative to HIS suggestion. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 13, 2019 18:27:24 GMT
Tell me how MPs get to vote No Deal out? Who gave them the mandate for that? Is their job to vote for everything that goes against the result of the referendum or what? A Norway deal is being talked about now. Who the fuck voted for a deal that continued Freedom Of Movement? I know loads of Labour constituencies didn't.
What an absolute shower of shit MPs are, with very few exceptions.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 13, 2019 18:36:43 GMT
Tell me how MPs get to vote No Deal out? Who gave them the mandate for that? Is their job to vote for everything that goes against the result of the referendum or what? A Norway deal is being talked about now. Who the fuck voted for a deal that continued Freedom Of Movement? I know loads of Labour constituencies didn't. What an absolute shower of shit MPs are, with very few exceptions. Shut up and eat your tea, peasant! They're doing what's best for you not what you want!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 19:08:30 GMT
Has it been cancelled through the back (front) door (!!) yet?
No? Wake me up when it does...
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 13, 2019 19:09:14 GMT
What about. 1. Remain or leave? We've already had this vote. 'Leave' won by well over ONE MILLION votes. Please convince me asto why: 1. We need to have this vote again? 2. If 'Leave' wins (again) why should we believe it will be respected it this time? Because 1. It didn't work properly last time 2. It won't |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 13, 2019 19:25:09 GMT
No deal now off the table.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 13, 2019 19:26:00 GMT
No deal now off the table. They are stupid. Now we have to accept a shit deal Not legally binding though |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 19:29:09 GMT
What about. 1. Remain or leave? We've already had this vote. 'Leave' won by well over ONE MILLION votes. Please convince me asto why: 1. We need to have this vote again? 2. If 'Leave' wins (again) why should we believe it will be respected it this time? I’d back a new referendum, and I voted Leave. Now that all of the facts are on the table, we now understand that our Government can not / will never deliver a satisfactory Brexit, we know know that Nigel’s £360m NHS pledge was utter bollocks, etc etc. I was swayed in the end, by listening to Sir Anthony Bamford talk about how much better things will be after we leave the EU, quickly followed by Lord Digby Jones saying the same. That was enough to get me off the fence. This time around, my opinion would I think be “better the devil you know”, and I’d vote Remain, however that was presented. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 13, 2019 19:32:10 GMT
We've already had this vote. 'Leave' won by well over ONE MILLION votes. Please convince me asto why: 1. We need to have this vote again? 2. If 'Leave' wins (again) why should we believe it will be respected it this time? I’d back a new referendum, and I voted Leave. Now that all of the facts are on the table, we now understand that our Government can not / will never deliver a satisfactory Brexit, we know know that Nigel’s £360m NHS pledge was utter bollocks, etc etc. I was swayed in the end, by listening to Sir Anthony Bamford talk about how much better things will be after we leave the EU, quickly followed by Lord Digby Jones saying the same. That was enough to get me off the fence. This time around, my opinion would I think be “better the devil you know”, and I’d vote Remain, however that was presented. I hate Farage but he never made a £360m pledge in fact he said it was not true. Do you do adverts ? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 19:36:27 GMT
I’d back a new referendum, and I voted Leave. Now that all of the facts are on the table, we now understand that our Government can not / will never deliver a satisfactory Brexit, we know know that Nigel’s £360m NHS pledge was utter bollocks, etc etc. I was swayed in the end, by listening to Sir Anthony Bamford talk about how much better things will be after we leave the EU, quickly followed by Lord Digby Jones saying the same. That was enough to get me off the fence. This time around, my opinion would I think be “better the devil you know”, and I’d vote Remain, however that was presented. I hate Farage but he never made a £360m pledge in fact he said it was not true. Do you do adverts ? What do you mean, “do I do adverts”? “Nigel Farage has admitted that it was a "mistake" to promise that £350million a week would be spent on the NHS if the UK backed a Brexit vote”. OK, I was £10m out. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 13, 2019 19:42:39 GMT
I hate Farage but he never made a £360m pledge in fact he said it was not true. Do you do adverts ? What do you mean, “do I do adverts”? “Nigel Farage has admitted that it was a "mistake" to promise that £350million a week would be spent on the NHS if the UK backed a Brexit vote”. OK, I was £10m out. What I think Follow is saying is that Farage had nothing to do with the bus slogan ( which didn't promise £350 m to the NHS) and he is correct |
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), hopefully she will be forced to resign with someone who actually believes in the process taking over though I fear it is too late. 
