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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 12, 2019 22:44:47 GMT
Nev knows...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 23:00:02 GMT
Absolute rubbish. Do you think employment rights in Norway, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc. come from the EU? Do you believe we will always have a Tory government? People are still protected by all the legislation passed by parliament till parliament changes it and the Tories do not have a majority. Every Labour government we have had has left power with the economy in a bigger mess than it inherited and with higher unemployment. Wow can’t bloody wait to have the same workers rights as they have in Cambodia...this sets the standard across 187 countries! Including Afganistan and Cambodia and others I couldnt tell you where they are. This “basic standard” is not quite at the levels we have now is it... |
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Post by chad on Mar 12, 2019 23:08:09 GMT
And tomorrow they’ll vote to take no deal off the table. The only negotiating tool we have. We have spent two years negotiating a deal We have a deal. It’s not great but it gets us out. But no. The Brexiteers (of all people) scuttle it Where now TM to resign. General Election probably giving no overall majority. Another referendum probably ending 51/49 either way. Losers reject the result. Loads of oooing and aaghing in Parliament. General Election. Rinse and Repeat Fucking Shamble. Laughing stock of Europe They're not voting to take no deal off the table tomorrow. They're voting on whether to leave with no deal on specifically March 29th. If they vote to extend article 50 on Thursday, then no deal will remain on the table beyond March 29th. They’ll vote NOT to leave with no deal. That’s taking off the table and removing the only bargaining chip we have |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2019 23:15:49 GMT
They're not voting to take no deal off the table tomorrow. They're voting on whether to leave with no deal on specifically March 29th. If they vote to extend article 50 on Thursday, then no deal will remain on the table beyond March 29th. They’ll vote NOT to leave with no deal. That’s taking off the table and removing the only bargaining chip we have That's not what they're voting on Chad. The vote is for what I've previously explained. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 12, 2019 23:16:18 GMT
They're not voting to take no deal off the table tomorrow. They're voting on whether to leave with no deal on specifically March 29th. If they vote to extend article 50 on Thursday, then no deal will remain on the table beyond March 29th. They’ll vote NOT to leave with no deal. That’s taking off the table and removing the only bargaining chip we have The negotiations are over,bargining chips are now meaningless. |
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Post by oatcakesteve on Mar 12, 2019 23:25:06 GMT
I try to vote them out but alas I cannot do it alone. I fully agree that Labour would benefit massively from leaving - for example their plans for nationalisation cannot be done under the EU procurement rules. The threat of cheap labour (normally done by immigration) to workers rights has been documented through history from the time Irish workers were brought over to break the strikes in the mills and before. It’s not hard to see that if you’re easily replaceable your views won’t be listened to. I would vote to Leave with a Labour government in place but I wouldn’t trust the Tories will it at all with no deal. Fair enough. That's why I think Jezza would have walked an election victory if he had fully backed Brexit. The issues you mentioned earlier show its far from hunky dory in this country. Brexit needs to happen and soon, very soon because it's a fucking farce now. Polititicians do nowt but take the piss, laugh at the electorate and line their pockets while doing so. As for Corbyn, he needs to stay well away from Downing Street. He's a disaster waiting to happen, it can't happen. |
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Post by oatcakesteve on Mar 12, 2019 23:29:09 GMT
We might have hated Maggie Thatcher back in the day, but she got stuff done and didn't fuck about like these toss pots.
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Post by chad on Mar 12, 2019 23:38:52 GMT
They’ll vote NOT to leave with no deal. That’s taking off the table and removing the only bargaining chip we have The negotiations are over,bargining chips are now meaningless. Yes you’re probably right The EU now have such an upper hand they’re not going to give an inch To me there are now only two options Leave with no deal. Or. Cancel the whole thing |
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Post by oatcakesteve on Mar 13, 2019 0:21:49 GMT
The negotiations are over,bargining chips are now meaningless. Yes you’re probably right The EU now have such an upper hand they’re not going to give an inch To me there are now only two options Leave with no deal. Or. Cancel the whole thing No deal it is then. Cancel isn't an option. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 0:22:52 GMT
I can't remember if or when politics ever made me this angry.
I've just looked on the BBC News site and we have Sturgeon claiming that "the people must decide"!
Oh fer fucks sake! How thick do you actually have to be to become a political leader?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 0:41:28 GMT
My only glimmer of hope is that these arseholes that are referred to as MPs might now be sitting quietly (after all of the hollabolloo has died down), and wondering if maybe, just maybe, they might have overstepped the mark this time. Somehow MPs, the slimy slippery pieces of shit that they are, somehow manage to slither out of the various mires that they create, and somehow become "believable" again for the voters. Well should there soon be another election, I just hope that the number of cynical voters will now be a huge majority. It would be a great sight indeed, to witness these greedy, pigs at a trough, fat, brainless gits, fighting (and with luck losing) their oh so precious seats!
Maybe we could go back quite a number of years, and yet again see scenes at the hustings, not seen for many many decades. Get the rotten fruit ready lads!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 0:55:18 GMT
At the very least I hope this does irreversible damage to the Tory party. I’d vote for a party that made it mandatory for every fighting age male in Britain to start each day by being fisted by a gorilla before I’d vote Tory.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 0:59:57 GMT
At the very least I hope this does irreversible damage to the Tory party. I’d vote for a party that made it mandatory for every fighting age male in Britain to start each day by being fisted by a gorilla before I’d vote Tory. The fucking Labour Party haven't exactly covered themselves in Glory have they?
Antidemocratic thieving c...ts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 1:09:47 GMT
At the very least I hope this does irreversible damage to the Tory party. I’d vote for a party that made it mandatory for every fighting age male in Britain to start each day by being fisted by a gorilla before I’d vote Tory. The fucking Labour Party haven't exactly covered themselves in Glory have they? Antidemocratic thieving c...ts.
No they’re a bunch of clowns but if it between labour and the gorilla fisting party I’d at least have a decision to make. 🦍 😭 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 1:12:23 GMT
The fucking Labour Party haven't exactly covered themselves in Glory have they? Antidemocratic thieving c...ts.
No they’re a bunch of clowns but if it between labour and the gorilla fisting party I’d at least have a decision to make. 🦍 😭 Which would be what? Have a good old suck on Corbyn's dick? |
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 13, 2019 4:16:49 GMT
All these bloody MP's keep blathering on about the Government showing "respect to the House". Not once has there been any thought or comment about Parliament in general "showing respect to the country or electorate". Complete and utter bunch of shysters ! They fully deserve to be shown what the electorate think at the next general election. Yes just what I thought |
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Post by stokieinaus on Mar 13, 2019 5:35:03 GMT
The problem is that the country voted for leaving Europe and the Politicians don't want to.
The best solution is to keep rejecting the offers and hope it goes away or have another vote.
This Brexit has been a great way to see how real politics work and its not good.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 13, 2019 5:59:16 GMT
The fucking Labour Party haven't exactly covered themselves in Glory have they? Antidemocratic thieving c...ts.
No they’re a bunch of clowns but if it between labour and the gorilla fisting party I’d at least have a decision to make. 🦍 😭 You could always go chimp and vote liberal |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 13, 2019 6:01:09 GMT
No they’re a bunch of clowns but if it between labour and the gorilla fisting party I’d at least have a decision to make. 🦍 😭 Which would be what? Have a good old suck on Corbyn's dick? I doubt it he lost that in Abbott years ago |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 13, 2019 6:44:41 GMT
The politicians on all sides have made the most monumental arse of Brexit.
May and her Government are the most culpable as they were in the lead position to make an acceptable agreement but failed utterly to achieve one.
But, Labour would have been no better. Their negotiating position is just a fantasy that the EU have said they cannot accept - in the single market but not accepting freedom of movement.
The DUP are, of course, in it for themselves. Same as it ever was.
The Lib Dems and the SNP are the same; the Lib Dems hoping to be the voice of Remain (and pick up their votes at the next election) while the SNP hope to use the fiasco of Brexit to show how shite Westminster is (so use every opportunity to create as much chaos as possible) to agitate the mood in Scotland to be more independent minded (something they are singularly failing to do).
So where are we now?
It's hard to see Parliament backing No Deal Brexit, so it's an extension of some sort that we will need the EU to agree to. Most likely it will be for another 2 years because a 2-3 month delay won't achieve much in breaking the impasse which will most likely see a GE in May (which also won't change much either because the main parties have no coherent approach to Brexit) and, I'm now convinced, a second referendum probably later this year (because that is the one thing Parliament seems to be able to muster the votes for).
The Brexit betrayal is becoming clearer and clearer.
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Post by lordb on Mar 13, 2019 6:58:24 GMT
The politicians on all sides have made the most monumental arse of Brexit. May and her Government are the most culpable as they were in the lead position to make an acceptable agreement but failed utterly to achieve one. But, Labour would have been no better. Their negotiating position is just a fantasy that the EU have said they cannot accept - in the single market but not accepting freedom of movement. The DUP are, of course, in it for themselves. Same as it ever was. The Lib Dems and the SNP are the same; the Lib Dems hoping to be the voice of Remain (and pick up their votes at the next election) while the SNP hope to use the fiasco of Brexit to show how shite Westminster is (so use every opportunity to create as much chaos as possible) to agitate the mood in Scotland to be more independent minded (something they are singularly failing to do). So where are we now? It's hard to see Parliament backing No Deal Brexit, so it's an extension of some sort that we will need the EU to agree to. Most likely it will be for another 2 years because a 2-3 month delay won't achieve much in breaking the impasse which will most likely see a GE in May (which also won't change much either because the main parties have no coherent approach to Brexit) and, I'm now convinced, a second referendum probably later this year (because that is the one thing Parliament seems to be able to muster the votes for). The Brexit betrayal is becoming clearer and clearer. To be fair to the Lib Dems they have consistently been pro EU long before the referendum. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 13, 2019 7:01:38 GMT
The politicians on all sides have made the most monumental arse of Brexit. May and her Government are the most culpable as they were in the lead position to make an acceptable agreement but failed utterly to achieve one. But, Labour would have been no better. Their negotiating position is just a fantasy that the EU have said they cannot accept - in the single market but not accepting freedom of movement. The DUP are, of course, in it for themselves. Same as it ever was. The Lib Dems and the SNP are the same; the Lib Dems hoping to be the voice of Remain (and pick up their votes at the next election) while the SNP hope to use the fiasco of Brexit to show how shite Westminster is (so use every opportunity to create as much chaos as possible) to agitate the mood in Scotland to be more independent minded (something they are singularly failing to do). So where are we now? It's hard to see Parliament backing No Deal Brexit, so it's an extension of some sort that we will need the EU to agree to. Most likely it will be for another 2 years because a 2-3 month delay won't achieve much in breaking the impasse which will most likely see a GE in May (which also won't change much either because the main parties have no coherent approach to Brexit) and, I'm now convinced, a second referendum probably later this year (because that is the one thing Parliament seems to be able to muster the votes for). The Brexit betrayal is becoming clearer and clearer. I agree Partick, my bet is that the course of action will be going for an extension and , as you say, probably a lengthy one, the reason given ..... another Referendum. Another part of the strategy to put some distance between June 2016 and any decisive decision.,... for me more collusion between the Political class and the EU to thwart BREXIT....and at the same time denying democracy. On another note in " normal" times May would certainly have resigned by now..... but she is serving the purpose quite well...lying, colluding and deliberately producing a bad deal, knowing that it would not be acceptable " Brexit can't be delivered" is the message and "look at the chaos". |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 13, 2019 7:16:55 GMT
Disgraceful bitch Disgraceful parliament. No deal wether you agree with that or not is the only option left to enact the result of the referendum Dithering parliament has forced that choice between them cross party Vote against no deal and any form of extension that leads to a second referendum is a gross betrayal and many MPs will discover the consequences of such a betrayal at a General Election Ask nick clegg what he thinks about that Mumma knows best |
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Post by M on Mar 13, 2019 7:45:17 GMT
Find it quite amusing that the Brexiteers are desperately trying to blame the opposition. Really truly is desperate tactics chaps and lasses.
Want to see where your batrayal is? The Tories stood on a manifesto saying no deal is better than a bad deal. They've already voted against a bad deal and if any of them vote against no deal, there's your final betrayal.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 13, 2019 7:59:39 GMT
Yes, you are missing something. Referenda are undemocratic. 100%. But now we have had one, spent a few years saying we will back te oucone (which everyone has a different view of what the outcome actually was!), the only sensible thing to do is to have another referendum to determine what people actually want. Whilst I would back a leader who said “you know what, Brexit will be bad for the vast majority of the UK and businesses here so let’s not do it”, I think that would be met by anger from many who still think brexit is a good idea. The second referendum could be far more democratic than the first as it would give two tangible options this time. It would also be upto date. Why intentionally hurt our economy and make us all poorer without checking that is really what people want? As I thought, I'm not missing anything. The only thing missing is your ability to see your own hypocrisy. It’s terrible, but the least worse way out. For the good of the nation, we need to reverse the referendum result but the only way that is possible is with a people’s vote |
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Post by stoke111 on Mar 13, 2019 8:03:30 GMT
How many people on this board are like me - I voted remain but seeing the political games and diceit from our self motivated MPs and the arrogance and manipulation of the unelected EU leaders - that in a 2nd referendum right now would vote leave?
Alternatively, who voted leave but would move to voting remain after looking into the “facts” and having seen how much chaos Brexit is causing?
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Post by Davef on Mar 13, 2019 8:19:02 GMT
Wow can’t bloody wait to have the same workers rights as they have in Cambodia...this sets the standard across 187 countries! Including Afganistan and Cambodia and others I couldnt tell you where they are. This “basic standard” is not quite at the levels we have now is it... "Basic standard"? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 8:44:21 GMT
Wow can’t bloody wait to have the same workers rights as they have in Cambodia...this sets the standard across 187 countries! Including Afganistan and Cambodia and others I couldnt tell you where they are. This “basic standard” is not quite at the levels we have now is it... "Basic standard"? Yes. I’m not knocking the work they do but they publish recommendations not laws and it’s more along the lines of being basically safe at work, workers being allowed to organise into unions and the like without being thrown in prison and not forcing people (including children into labour). If you quoted it thinking it somehow protects any employment rights you currently have then it doesn’t. |
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Post by Davef on Mar 13, 2019 8:59:40 GMT
Yes. I’m not knocking the work they do but they publish recommendations not laws and it’s more along the lines of being basically safe at work, workers being allowed to organise into unions and the like without being thrown in prison and not forcing people (including children into labour). If you quoted it thinking it somehow protects any employment rights you currently have then it doesn’t. The ILO can't publish laws because it isn't a government. What governments (and the EU) does is adopt their recommendations and standards and writes them into their own laws and regulations. It's the same with many other global bodies. |
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Post by chad on Mar 13, 2019 9:06:44 GMT
How many people on this board are like me - I voted remain but seeing the political games and diceit from our self motivated MPs and the arrogance and manipulation of the unelected EU leaders - that in a 2nd referendum right now would vote leave? Alternatively, who voted leave but would move to voting remain after looking into the “facts” and having seen how much chaos Brexit is causing? I’m the same mate. Voted remain but would now vote leave. The problem is that the country is split down the middle on this and a new vote is unlikely to produce anything more decisive than the last one. Something around 49/51 So where would that leave us It’s taken two years to get precisely nowhere and if we aren’t brave enough to take no deal we’ll be in the same place in another two years The EU are shit scared of us leaving because they know it will weaken them financially and may well lead to a number of others following suit. Even the French would probably vote to leave As I said earlier in my view its either leave with no deal or admit defeat and cancel the whole thing Bloody shambles really |
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