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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 12, 2019 20:56:58 GMT
Absolute rubbish. Do you think employment rights in Norway, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc. come from the EU? Do you believe we will always have a Tory government? People are still protected by all the legislation passed by parliament till parliament changes it and the Tories do not have a majority. Every Labour government we have had has left power with the economy in a bigger mess than it inherited and with higher unemployment. Yes they do if they keep paying the DUP to vote with them. Do you honestly think the vast majority don’t want it to serve their own purposes which don’t quite frankly align to the vast majority of the working class areas who voted for Brexit. As for the economy being better where has that gone? Cos I see zero hours cropping up, I see our NHS being sold off, I see schools suffering from chronic underfunding, people having to wait hours for ambulance and people with knives running around London cos there’s no police, disabled people being told they have go back to work, public transport gone to absolute shit, houses becoming unaffordable and someone telling me my mom having worked all her life as a teacher would have to sell her house if she needed care in her old age? How is the economy being better helping the majority of people? It isn’t is it. But not because of Brexit! It's happened while we are in the EU. As have job losses, etc. |
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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 12, 2019 21:02:26 GMT
Absolute rubbish. Do you think employment rights in Norway, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc. come from the EU? Do you believe we will always have a Tory government? People are still protected by all the legislation passed by parliament till parliament changes it and the Tories do not have a majority. Every Labour government we have had has left power with the economy in a bigger mess than it inherited and with higher unemployment. Yes they do if they keep paying the DUP to vote with them. Do you honestly think the vast majority don’t want it to serve their own purposes which don’t quite frankly align to the vast majority of the working class areas who voted for Brexit. As for the economy being better where has that gone? Cos I see zero hours cropping up, I see our NHS being sold off, I see schools suffering from chronic underfunding, people having to wait hours for ambulance and people with knives running around London cos there’s no police, disabled people being told they have go back to work, public transport gone to absolute shit, houses becoming unaffordable and someone telling me my mom having worked all her life as a teacher would have to sell her house if she needed care in her old age? How is the economy being better helping the majority of people? It isn’t is it. You can thank the conservatives for all of that.. nothing to do with brexit! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:02:51 GMT
This calls for a bit shit load of civil unrest
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:06:53 GMT
Yes they do if they keep paying the DUP to vote with them. Do you honestly think the vast majority don’t want it to serve their own purposes which don’t quite frankly align to the vast majority of the working class areas who voted for Brexit. As for the economy being better where has that gone? Cos I see zero hours cropping up, I see our NHS being sold off, I see schools suffering from chronic underfunding, people having to wait hours for ambulance and people with knives running around London cos there’s no police, disabled people being told they have go back to work, public transport gone to absolute shit, houses becoming unaffordable and someone telling me my mom having worked all her life as a teacher would have to sell her house if she needed care in her old age? How is the economy being better helping the majority of people? It isn’t is it. But not because of Brexit! It's happened while we are in the EU. As have job losses, etc. No not at all because of the EU. It followed on from a point I had made that I would never want to leave with a no deal with the Tories in charge as I feel employment protections I now have would start to disappear amongst many other things. It also goes to a point that I have previously made that I feel if you dig deeper the issues that have caused Brexit from working class areas being all but destroyed then neglected...and we all know where that started and who it started with. I feel people are picking the wrong battle. The battle isn’t with the EU. It’s with the government failing the vast majority of people and those areas in particular to self serve their interests and the interests of their people and their profits (and I include Tony Tory- in-disguise Blair and his cronies in that too). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:07:31 GMT
Yes they do if they keep paying the DUP to vote with them. Do you honestly think the vast majority don’t want it to serve their own purposes which don’t quite frankly align to the vast majority of the working class areas who voted for Brexit. As for the economy being better where has that gone? Cos I see zero hours cropping up, I see our NHS being sold off, I see schools suffering from chronic underfunding, people having to wait hours for ambulance and people with knives running around London cos there’s no police, disabled people being told they have go back to work, public transport gone to absolute shit, houses becoming unaffordable and someone telling me my mom having worked all her life as a teacher would have to sell her house if she needed care in her old age? How is the economy being better helping the majority of people? It isn’t is it. You can thank the conservatives for all of that.. nothing to do with brexit! People see my above response above to another poster. I wasn’t blaming it on Brexit. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:08:25 GMT
You can thank the conservatives for all of that.. nothing to do with brexit! People see my below response to another poster. I wasn’t blaming it on Brexit. Below or above? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:09:00 GMT
People see my below response to another poster. I wasn’t blaming it on Brexit. Below or above? Above to tricky dicky. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 12, 2019 21:11:55 GMT
My feelings exactly ,what a load of self serving pigs we have as our mps If this was the other way round, and remain won by a slim margin, the arguments from the leave side wouldn’t even be listened to, never mind cause this absolute tidal wave of shit. The money men and politicians weren’t banking on the rest of the country, which lies in neglect whilst they scoff wine and scallops in the cafe at Harrods, actually telling the fuckers we’re sick of being pushed around by some nonces who have no affiliation with this country other than some trade deal on a piece of paper. It’ll be masked as a “saviour for British industry” and “safeguarding our future” when really it’s exactly what the politicians and upper class arseholes want. It’s no coincidence that the majority of leave votes came from cities that used to have an industry, that has systematically been ripped apart over the past 40 years and replaced with cheap foreign labour on zero hour contracts, this was the one opportunity a once proud nation had at clawing some of its identity back, and its been disregarded like a crusty jizzrag. It’s a complete shithole this country it really is, ran by utter tosspots who are so out of touch with reality they should be in a padded cell dribbling. Couldn't disagree more with this. If it had been a narrow remain win Brexiteers would have been banging on about a second referendum 100% That's what happens with narrow referendum results the world over, the losing side squeels for a second one. The idea that one side of leave/remain is somehow more honourable more inclined to 'respect democracy' is utter bullshit. Referendums breed bad debate, rancour and entrenched views. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 12, 2019 21:15:45 GMT
But not because of Brexit! It's happened while we are in the EU. As have job losses, etc. No not at all because of the EU. It followed on from a point I had made that I would never want to leave with a no deal with the Tories in charge as I feel employment protections I now have would start to disappear amongst many other things. It also goes to a point that I have previously made that I feel if you dig deeper the issues that have caused Brexit from working class areas being all but destroyed then neglected...and we all know where that started and who it started with. I feel people are picking the wrong battle. The battle isn’t with the EU. It’s with the government failing the vast majority of people and those areas in particular to self serve their interests and the interests of their people and their profits (and I include Tony Tory- in-disguise Blair and his cronies in that too). If the Tories take the piss with workers rights, vote them out. Mackey pointed out earlier one area where the EU has caused working class people problems : cheap labour from Europe undercutting British workers ; admitted by Corbyn on YouTube. I feel as Mackey does, "saving jobs" and manufacturing is just a way of sugar coating a betrayal of the working class. Both parties have been guilty of it. Tony Benn hated the EU and thought it was an obstacle against socialism. So does his mate, Jezza, but his party has changed so much he daren't say it. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 12, 2019 21:20:38 GMT
Well I expected to come on here and see Brexiteers triumphant that May's BRINO had been resoundingly defeated and the prospect of no-deal (admittedly maybe in June rather than the end of March) more likely. But no, we have hard Brexit supporters calling for civil unrest because their heroes like Rees-Mogg (who's probably made a few bob to add to his £100 million wealth today) voted against May's deal as they wanted him to.
I must admit I'm not exactly sure what hard Brexiters wanted to happen today?
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 12, 2019 21:22:27 GMT
One day quite soon enough people are going to realise it was just never going to be a practical or desirable idea to waste all this time pretending it was possible to leave the EU....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:23:52 GMT
Well I expected to come on here and see Brexiteers triumphant that May's BRINO had been resoundingly defeated and the prospect of no-deal (admittedly maybe in June rather than the end of March) more likely. But no, we have hard Brexit supporters calling for civil unrest because their heroes like Rees-Mogg (who's probably made a few bob to add to his £100 million wealth today) voted against May's deal as they wanted him to. I must admit I'm not exactly sure what hard Brexiters wanted to happen today? Whichever way that you look at it - democracy has had a right old kick in the teeth (again). One has to wonder why all of those lives were lost in two world wars. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:23:55 GMT
No not at all because of the EU. It followed on from a point I had made that I would never want to leave with a no deal with the Tories in charge as I feel employment protections I now have would start to disappear amongst many other things. It also goes to a point that I have previously made that I feel if you dig deeper the issues that have caused Brexit from working class areas being all but destroyed then neglected...and we all know where that started and who it started with. I feel people are picking the wrong battle. The battle isn’t with the EU. It’s with the government failing the vast majority of people and those areas in particular to self serve their interests and the interests of their people and their profits (and I include Tony Tory- in-disguise Blair and his cronies in that too). If the Tories take the piss with workers rights, vote them out. Mackey pointed out earlier one area where the EU has caused working class people problems : cheap labour from Europe undercutting British workers ; admitted by Corbyn on YouTube. I feel as Mackey does, "saving jobs" and manufacturing is just a way of sugar coating a betrayal of the working class. Both parties have been guilty of it. Tony Benn hated the EU and thought it was an obstacle against socialism. So does his mate, Jezza, but his party has changed so much he daren't say it. I try to vote them out but alas I cannot do it alone. I fully agree that Labour would benefit massively from leaving - for example their plans for nationalisation cannot be done under the EU procurement rules. The threat of cheap labour (normally done by immigration) to workers rights has been documented through history from the time Irish workers were brought over to break the strikes in the mills and before. It’s not hard to see that if you’re easily replaceable your views won’t be listened to. I would vote to Leave with a Labour government in place but I wouldn’t trust the Tories will it at all with no deal. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:24:34 GMT
Well I expected to come on here and see Brexiteers triumphant that May's BRINO had been resoundingly defeated and the prospect of no-deal (admittedly maybe in June rather than the end of March) more likely. But no, we have hard Brexit supporters calling for civil unrest because their heroes like Rees-Mogg (who's probably made a few bob to add to his £100 million wealth today) voted against May's deal as they wanted him to. I must admit I'm not exactly sure what hard Brexiters wanted to happen today? Whichever way that you look at it - democracy has had a right old kick in the teeth (again). One has to wonder why all of those lives were lost in two world wars. Profit. A lot of money was made in those wars. Continues to be the key driver of wars today. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 12, 2019 21:27:24 GMT
If the Tories take the piss with workers rights, vote them out. Mackey pointed out earlier one area where the EU has caused working class people problems : cheap labour from Europe undercutting British workers ; admitted by Corbyn on YouTube. I feel as Mackey does, "saving jobs" and manufacturing is just a way of sugar coating a betrayal of the working class. Both parties have been guilty of it. Tony Benn hated the EU and thought it was an obstacle against socialism. So does his mate, Jezza, but his party has changed so much he daren't say it. I try to vote them out but alas I cannot do it alone. I fully agree that Labour would benefit massively from leaving - for example their plans for nationalisation cannot be done under the EU procurement rules. The threat of cheap labour (normally done by immigration) to workers rights has been documented through history from the time Irish workers were brought over to break the strikes in the mills and before. It’s not hard to see that if you’re easily replaceable your views won’t be listened to. I would vote to Leave with a Labour government in place but I wouldn’t trust the Tories will it at all with no deal. Fair enough. That's why I think Jezza would have walked an election victory if he had fully backed Brexit. The issues you mentioned earlier show its far from hunky dory in this country. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:30:28 GMT
Whichever way that you look at it - democracy has had a right old kick in the teeth (again). One has to wonder why all of those lives were lost in two world wars. Profit. A lot of money was made in those wars. Continues to be the key driver of wars today. Well yes, profit was made in the fight against Germany and dictatorships. |
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 12, 2019 21:30:41 GMT
Extending the A50 is a bad idea. It'll mean a bridge over Campbell Rd, knocking The Plough down, and isn't there still a bowling green there?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:32:01 GMT
Extending the A50 is a bad idea. It'll mean a bridge over Campbell Rd, knocking The Plough down, and isn't there still a bowling green there? There was a bowling green at the King's in Meir - didn't stop the fuckers though did it! |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 12, 2019 21:32:15 GMT
Well I expected to come on here and see Brexiteers triumphant that May's BRINO had been resoundingly defeated and the prospect of no-deal (admittedly maybe in June rather than the end of March) more likely. But no, we have hard Brexit supporters calling for civil unrest because their heroes like Rees-Mogg (who's probably made a few bob to add to his £100 million wealth today) voted against May's deal as they wanted him to. I must admit I'm not exactly sure what hard Brexiters wanted to happen today? Whichever way that you look at it - democracy has had a right old kick in the teeth (again). One has to wonder why all of those lives were lost in two world wars. and yet for many Leavers one of the key motivations was to give more power and control to the very people that they are now saying they can never hope to vote out of power because of the UK democratic process. Sorry, still confused. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 12, 2019 21:34:20 GMT
Whichever way that you look at it - democracy has had a right old kick in the teeth (again). One has to wonder why all of those lives were lost in two world wars. and yet for many Leavers one of the key motivations was to give more power and control to the very people that they are now saying they can never hope to vote out of power because of the UK democratic process. Sorry, still confused. Our politicians are in effect talking themselves out of their own jobs. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:36:31 GMT
Profit. A lot of money was made in those wars. Continues to be the key driver of wars today. Well yes, profit was made in the fight against Germany and dictatorships. Hmmm with companies such as the Bush company helping fund both sides of the war effort...England too were once on the side of the early Nazi regime - god forbid those pesky Russian’s socialist ideas take hold in Europe www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2019 21:51:10 GMT
And tomorrow they’ll vote to take no deal off the table. The only negotiating tool we have. We have spent two years negotiating a deal We have a deal. It’s not great but it gets us out. But no. The Brexiteers (of all people) scuttle it Where now TM to resign. General Election probably giving no overall majority. Another referendum probably ending 51/49 either way. Losers reject the result. Loads of oooing and aaghing in Parliament. General Election. Rinse and Repeat Fucking Shamble. Laughing stock of Europe They're not voting to take no deal off the table tomorrow. They're voting on whether to leave with no deal on specifically March 29th. If they vote to extend article 50 on Thursday, then no deal will remain on the table beyond March 29th. |
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Post by Davef on Mar 12, 2019 21:52:50 GMT
If you’re an employee of someone else and you think it’s safe to leave with no deal with the Tories in power I worry for you if you think the first thing they won’t chip away at is your employment rights which mostly come from the EU. No deal means they aren’t protected. That’s a huge factor in why Labour won’t risk a no deal. They aren’t being dicks for not reason. Absolute rubbish. Do you think employment rights in Norway, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc. come from the EU? Do you believe we will always have a Tory government? People are still protected by all the legislation passed by parliament till parliament changes it and the Tories do not have a majority. Every Labour government we have had has left power with the economy in a bigger mess than it inherited and with higher unemployment. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2019 21:52:50 GMT
Jack Brereton - Stoke South voted for the deal in January and tonight. Jeremy Lefroy - Stafford also voted for it both times. Bill Cash - Stone voted against it twice. Ruth Smeeth and Gareth Snell both voted against it twice. And just how the fuck does David Davis get away with voting for her deal this evening, when he has done nothing but trash it to pieces since it was first announced? |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 12, 2019 22:08:57 GMT
Jack Brereton - Stoke South voted for the deal in January and tonight. Jeremy Lefroy - Stafford also voted for it both times. Bill Cash - Stone voted against it twice. Ruth Smeeth and Gareth Snell both voted against it twice. And just how the fuck does David Davis get away with voting for her deal this evening, when he has done nothing but trash it to pieces since it was first announced? He's probably quit being a hard-Brexiter because quitting is what he does. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 22:11:11 GMT
Jack Brereton - Stoke South voted for the deal in January and tonight. Jeremy Lefroy - Stafford also voted for it both times. Bill Cash - Stone voted against it twice. Ruth Smeeth and Gareth Snell both voted against it twice. And just how the fuck does David Davis get away with voting for her deal this evening, when he has done nothing but trash it to pieces since it was first announced? Just follow the money. Davis (and most other MPs) will always follow the path that gives them the most gain.
It isn't really that hard to understand.
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Post by Gods on Mar 12, 2019 22:19:34 GMT
Vote leave Chairman Michael Gove warns about the dangers of throwing the country in to a period of prolonged uncertainty, you couldn't make it up :-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 22:22:33 GMT
Vote leave Chairman Michael Gove warns about the dangers of throwing the country in to a period of prolonged uncertainty, you couldn't make it up :-) Oh you could. From the day after the referendum all of this could be very accurately predicted.
Bastards.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 12, 2019 22:24:01 GMT
And just how the fuck does David Davis get away with voting for her deal this evening, when he has done nothing but trash it to pieces since it was first announced? Just follow the money. Davis (and most other MPs) will always follow the path that gives them the most gain.
It isn't really that hard to understand.
Oh I understand it alright, I'm just excasberated at how the media are letting him off the hook. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 12, 2019 22:28:22 GMT
Just follow the money. Davis (and most other MPs) will always follow the path that gives them the most gain. It isn't really that hard to understand.
Oh I understand it alright, I'm just excasberated at how the media are letting him off the hook. Ditto Corbyn and Johnson. They are all actors, playing to their audiences. Completely shameless. There's hardly anyone in parliament I can stand. |
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