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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 11, 2019 19:16:49 GMT
What happened to Canada Plus?
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Post by Billy the kid on Mar 11, 2019 19:23:56 GMT
..Because I struggle with things I.T. On the top right hand side of the message window you should see 'Quote' and 'Edit' as well as thumb symbols for liking and disliking posts. Just click the 'Edit' button and Robert's your Uncle. How do you dislike a post? |
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Post by Davef on Mar 11, 2019 19:35:54 GMT
On the top right hand side of the message window you should see 'Quote' and 'Edit' as well as thumb symbols for liking and disliking posts. Just click the 'Edit' button and Robert's your Uncle. How do you dislike a post? You have to be using the Desktop version. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 11, 2019 19:44:29 GMT
On the top right hand side of the message window you should see 'Quote' and 'Edit' as well as thumb symbols for liking and disliking posts. Just click the 'Edit' button and Robert's your Uncle. How do you dislike a post? You have to wipe your arse on your phone. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 11, 2019 19:57:18 GMT
A bit of insight from a Labour fisheries man
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 11, 2019 20:15:58 GMT
What happened to Canada Plus? Is that a mixer ? 😁 I prefer Brexit Lite or Norway Skol ERG Real NoDeal I.P.A. is a bit too strong for me. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 11, 2019 20:16:09 GMT
Wrong there should not be a second vote but if somehow there is the question of remain or leave has been decided The question should be deal or no deal we have already decided to leave And presumably labour cannot stand at the next election and all people now eligible to vote should also be banned from a say. Democracy ended on referendum day did it? No they should only be banned if they intend to vote remain |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 11, 2019 20:31:36 GMT
What happened to Canada Plus? Is that a mixer ? 😁 I prefer Brexit Lite or Norway Skol ERG Real NoDeal I.P.A. is a bit too strong for me. I did think of Canada Dry, I must admit! |
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Post by Absolution on Mar 11, 2019 21:30:07 GMT
This whole debacle has made me feel like drinking Canada dry.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 11, 2019 22:26:39 GMT
This whole debacle has made me feel like drinking Canada dry. I get the feeling the EU negotiators are having a drink of Carlsberg! While our mob are smoking a Hamlet!! |
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Post by lordb on Mar 11, 2019 22:49:57 GMT
Going to go round and round next couple of days this.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Mar 11, 2019 23:02:29 GMT
what a cluster.. legally binding but it can go to arbitration.. my money is on hard Brexit..
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Post by hammered on Mar 12, 2019 0:14:40 GMT
what a cluster.. legally binding but it can go to arbitration.. my money is on hard Brexit.. In truth it needs to be - not just because its what we voted for. There can be little doubt (now) as to the direction of travel the EU is taking - the nearly three years since the Brexit vote is beginning to realise much of the fears posters on here outlined and the remotest attachment leaves our bent politicians options we really shouldn't give them. Does anyone seriously think that having withdrawn our membership and voting rights but remain signed up to their rules we're not gonna suffer the Lisbon treaty??? FFS. Lies, deceit and diversion - May continues the charade with another fake lunch and pat on the back to return with didly fuck - Mays BRINO get's rejected tomorrow and then they vote to remove BREXIT and delay BRINO. They (establishment/MSM/deep state) are properly fucking stupid if they think 17.4m and 70% of England's constituencies are going to lie down. This will run and run....... |
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Post by banksofengland on Mar 12, 2019 6:59:37 GMT
Leaving the eu is not about the economy its about sovereignty about who makes the law of the land we the people are the ones who can elect our mps who make those laws. Laws that change and affect our country should not be made by foreign politicians and foreign institutions.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 12, 2019 7:36:16 GMT
Leaving the eu is not about the economy its about sovereignty about who makes the law of the land we the people are the ones who can elect our mps who make those laws. Laws that change and affect our country should not be made by foreign politicians and foreign institutions. And of course I'll ask, what laws are you looking forward to getting rid of? |
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Post by Gods on Mar 12, 2019 8:08:12 GMT
Leaving the eu is not about the economy its about sovereignty about who makes the law of the land we the people are the ones who can elect our mps who make those laws. Laws that change and affect our country should not be made by foreign politicians and foreign institutions. Global village these days mate, the environment and terrorism don't respect geographical border. Goods, people and information cross borders at internet speed. You need at least some common legislation to address these areas. Unless you just want to lock yourselves away and fade in to history like a dusty museum. |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 12, 2019 8:30:36 GMT
Just another predictable step in the overall strategic aim of May the remainer playing out and leading to the scrapping of Brexit. Her mates in Parliament and the rest of the establishment have already played this out and agreed that they will reject it and then vote on removing a no deal option, leading into adopting a “may as well stay position”.
I’m guessing they have already played out and come to the conclusion that the country will suck it up and accept it as well without protest. I think the country will accept it thanks to the role played by the media. Sad days.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 12, 2019 8:48:04 GMT
Just another predictable step in the overall strategic aim of May the remainer playing out and leading to the scrapping of Brexit. Her mates in Parliament and the rest of the establishment have already played this out and agreed that they will reject it and then vote on removing a no deal option, leading into adopting a “may as well stay position”. I’m guessing they have already played out and come to the conclusion that the country will suck it up and accept it as well without protest. I think the country will accept it thanks to the role played by the media. Sad days. Kier Starmer has just said that the government still haven't addressed the single market and customs union. That was decided in the referendum! So obviously whatever May comes back with won't be good enough for him, will it? |
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Post by sorethumbs on Mar 12, 2019 8:48:31 GMT
So your stance that referendums are undemocratic is cast aside when you when you want remain to be an option on another referendum? And now think that anything other than another referendum is undemocratic? Or am I missing something? Yes, you are missing something. Referenda are undemocratic. 100%. But now we have had one, spent a few years saying we will back te oucone (which everyone has a different view of what the outcome actually was!), the only sensible thing to do is to have another referendum to determine what people actually want. Whilst I would back a leader who said “you know what, Brexit will be bad for the vast majority of the UK and businesses here so let’s not do it”, I think that would be met by anger from many who still think brexit is a good idea. The second referendum could be far more democratic than the first as it would give two tangible options this time. It would also be upto date. Why intentionally hurt our economy and make us all poorer without checking that is really what people want? As I thought, I'm not missing anything. The only thing missing is your ability to see your own hypocrisy. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 12, 2019 8:51:26 GMT
Regardless of how much he has or hasn't made post-Brexit, it would've been nice to Rees-Mogg set up his new funds in the UK to show a bit of confidence in the country. Even if it did cost a bit more initially, now is surely the time that some of the leading politicians who have profitable business ventures should take the hit and stay in the UK. Rees-Mogg particularly would be able to gain from the huge post-Brexit benefits he talks of which will eventually come once we've left. Free knowledge for you. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 12, 2019 8:54:42 GMT
Yes, you are missing something. Referenda are undemocratic. 100%. But now we have had one, spent a few years saying we will back te oucone (which everyone has a different view of what the outcome actually was!), the only sensible thing to do is to have another referendum to determine what people actually want. Whilst I would back a leader who said “you know what, Brexit will be bad for the vast majority of the UK and businesses here so let’s not do it”, I think that would be met by anger from many who still think brexit is a good idea. The second referendum could be far more democratic than the first as it would give two tangible options this time. It would also be upto date. Why intentionally hurt our economy and make us all poorer without checking that is really what people want? As I thought, I'm not missing anything. The only thing missing is your ability to see your own hypocrisy. To prove referenda are undemocratic, let's have another one! 😁 |
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Post by sorethumbs on Mar 12, 2019 8:55:26 GMT
Just another predictable step in the overall strategic aim of May the remainer playing out and leading to the scrapping of Brexit. Her mates in Parliament and the rest of the establishment have already played this out and agreed that they will reject it and then vote on removing a no deal option, leading into adopting a “may as well stay position”. I’m guessing they have already played out and come to the conclusion that the country will suck it up and accept it as well without protest. I think the country will accept it thanks to the role played by the media. Sad days. Kier Starmer has just said that the government still haven't addressed the single market and customs union. That was decided in the referendum! So obviously whatever May comes back with won't be good enough for him, will it? Party politics Tricky, the majority of Labour will vote against it anyway. I think it's all eyes on the DUP and ERG to see what they think of the 'improved' definitions. |
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Post by sorethumbs on Mar 12, 2019 8:59:07 GMT
Michael Gove - "If it is correct that this backstop is both temporary and we can leave it at the moment of our choosing, that means we become a balanced partner in the negotiations.
"That is how critical this really is. What we decide today will decide whether or not we will get a good relationship afterwards or whether we get spoon-fed what the EU wants us to be."
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 12, 2019 9:01:11 GMT
Kier Starmer has just said that the government still haven't addressed the single market and customs union. That was decided in the referendum! So obviously whatever May comes back with won't be good enough for him, will it? Party politics Tricky, the majority of Labour will vote against it anyway. I think it's all eyes on the DUP and ERG to see what they think of the 'improved' definitions. Yes, I understand that, but I don't understand how you can honour the result by not coming out of the institutions of the EU. |
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Post by sorethumbs on Mar 12, 2019 9:18:25 GMT
Party politics Tricky, the majority of Labour will vote against it anyway. I think it's all eyes on the DUP and ERG to see what they think of the 'improved' definitions. Yes, I understand that, but I don't understand how you can honour the result by not coming out of the institutions of the EU. That's my understanding of what 'leave' actually means. If any EU mechanism means that 'they' can overrule or act with supremacy over 'our' mechanisms then we aren't truly independent. If we 'raise a dispute' over this new legally clarified backstop who will arbitrate? It would obviously go without saying that any products or services going in either direction would need to meet each others rules. I just think that trading (which is NOT what the referendum was about) can be and should be done easily without all the other political attachments the EU insist on whilst a member. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 12, 2019 9:24:38 GMT
Kier Starmer has just said that the government still haven't addressed the single market and customs union. That was decided in the referendum! So obviously whatever May comes back with won't be good enough for him, will it? Party politics Tricky, the majority of Labour will vote against it anyway. I think it's all eyes on the DUP and ERG to see what they think of the 'improved' definitions. I think this is naked ambition by poster boy and man of the people* SIR Keir Starmer to eject Corbyn and his band of racists and lead Labour into the next election. He hadn't even seen the text of what was on offer last night in the House when he rejected it. Where was Corbyn at this defining moment at 10pm last night when Starmer was in the limelight, around Wolfie Smith's? *Barrister and Oxford graduate. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 12, 2019 9:31:58 GMT
An alleged journalist from C4 getting his arse served to him.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 12, 2019 9:38:55 GMT
A alleged journalist from C4 getting his arse served to him. Another biased twat. |
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Post by yeokel on Mar 12, 2019 9:57:31 GMT
Yes, I understand that, but I don't understand how you can honour the result by not coming out of the institutions of the EU. That's my understanding of what 'leave' actually means. If any EU mechanism means that 'they' can overrule or act with supremacy over 'our' mechanisms then we aren't truly independent. If we 'raise a dispute' over this new legally clarified backstop who will arbitrate? It would obviously go without saying that any products or services going in either direction would need to meet each others rules. I just think that trading (which is NOT what the referendum was about) can be and should be done easily without all the other political attachments the EU insist on whilst a member. As stated many times on here, ‘Leave’ voters knew exactly what ‘Leave’ meant. People like Oggy would have us believe we didn’t understand the issues whereas I would suggest that we understood the issues far better than, er, people like Oggy. Few, if any, Leave voters cast their vote without giving the matter a great deal of thought. ‘Remain’ was the easy, status quo vote. It required little thought or investigation (which is why they still don’t understand the EU direction of travel). No 'Leave' vote was cast lightly and we knew (I’d be bold enough to say we ALL knew) that the EU institution INCLUDES the customs union and the single market. We voted to leave the lot and we know we did. As said above, trading can and should be done easily. It is so all over the world, and has been since the beginnings of recorded time. People trade, businesses and companies trade, national institutions trade – business always finds a way, and we in the UK are no different to anybody else in that respect. Let’s “crash out of the EU with no deal” and see where we are in a few years. There will be some short term disruption, we know that, but in the longer term we will be in a much better, freer place. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 12, 2019 10:11:19 GMT
That's my understanding of what 'leave' actually means. If any EU mechanism means that 'they' can overrule or act with supremacy over 'our' mechanisms then we aren't truly independent. If we 'raise a dispute' over this new legally clarified backstop who will arbitrate? It would obviously go without saying that any products or services going in either direction would need to meet each others rules. I just think that trading (which is NOT what the referendum was about) can be and should be done easily without all the other political attachments the EU insist on whilst a member. As stated many times on here, ‘Leave’ voters knew exactly what ‘Leave’ meant. People like Oggy would have us believe we didn’t understand the issues whereas I would suggest that we understood the issues far better than, er, people like Oggy. Few, if any, Leave voters cast their vote without giving the matter a great deal of thought. ‘Remain’ was the easy, status quo vote. It required little thought or investigation (which is why they still don’t understand the EU direction of travel). No 'Leave' vote was cast lightly and we knew (I’d be bold enough to say we ALL knew) that the EU institution INCLUDES the customs union and the single market. We voted to leave the lot and we know we did. As said above, trading can and should be done easily. It is so all over the world, and has been since the beginnings of recorded time. People trade, businesses and companies trade, national institutions trade – business always finds a way, and we in the UK are no different to anybody else in that respect. Let’s “crash out of the EU with no deal” and see where we are in a few years. There will be some short term disruption, we know that, but in the longer term we will be in a much better, freer place. How long is the long term? |
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