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Post by ravey123 on Mar 10, 2019 11:12:21 GMT
How does Parliament get to vote No Deal down, when a Times poll says that it is the most popular Leave option? I thought they wanted to find out what we really wanted? Because they're a bunch of arrogant, condescending, shysters who are mostly remainers who want to stop Brexit by any means possible, and don't give a shit about their voters wishes. Vote down May's Deal, vote down No Deal, vote for an extension, or vote for a second referendum. McDonnell has just been on Marr and said it's still on the table for Labour as their electorate as it's something agreed at their last conference and is something their electorate would prefer. The Independent has the following article which shows yet again that the shysters are not listening. Brexit: Britain does not want long delay, reveals poll on eve of votes. (I can't do the link to the article at the moment.) Democracy has died a slow and lingering death over this shenanigans. They will either delay or cancel Brexit. May's deal is BRINO so in my eyes is NOT Brexit. The payback for this bunch of complete tossers will be at the ballot box at the next election. There will be a rise in anti EU parties and it will all start over again or there will be the lowest turnout ever and cue lots of MP's proclaiming that they can't work out why the turnout was so low.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 10, 2019 11:22:44 GMT
Because they're a bunch of arrogant, condescending, shysters who are mostly remainers who want to stop Brexit by any means possible, and don't give a shit about their voters wishes. Vote down May's Deal, vote down No Deal, vote for an extension, or vote for a second referendum. McDonnell has just been on Marr and said it's still on the table for Labour as their electorate as it's something agreed at their last conference and is something their electorate would prefer. The Independent has the following article which shows yet again that the shysters are not listening. Brexit: Britain does not want long delay, reveals poll on eve of votes. (I can't do the link to the article at the moment.) Democracy has died a slow and lingering death over this shenanigans. They will either delay or cancel Brexit. May's deal is BRINO so in my eyes is NOT Brexit. The payback for this bunch of complete tossers will be at the ballot box at the next election. There will be a rise in anti EU parties and it will all start over again or there will be the lowest turnout ever and cue lots of MP's proclaiming that they can't work out why the turnout was so low. And when these parties form, they will immediately be labelled "far right". Apparently sovereignty and mass immigration wasn't the cause of the result, it was austerity and people feeling left behind. They still don't get it.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 10, 2019 11:39:08 GMT
Democracy has died a slow and lingering death over this shenanigans. They will either delay or cancel Brexit. May's deal is BRINO so in my eyes is NOT Brexit. The payback for this bunch of complete tossers will be at the ballot box at the next election. There will be a rise in anti EU parties and it will all start over again or there will be the lowest turnout ever and cue lots of MP's proclaiming that they can't work out why the turnout was so low. And when these parties form, they will immediately be labelled "far right". Apparently sovereignty and mass immigration wasn't the cause of the result, it was austerity and people feeling left behind. They still don't get it. It's amazing how the left refer to UKIP As 'far right' despite them having numerous members of varying ethnicities,including fielding Asian candidates in Stoke.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 10, 2019 11:46:24 GMT
Democracy has died a slow and lingering death over this shenanigans. They will either delay or cancel Brexit. May's deal is BRINO so in my eyes is NOT Brexit. The payback for this bunch of complete tossers will be at the ballot box at the next election. There will be a rise in anti EU parties and it will all start over again or there will be the lowest turnout ever and cue lots of MP's proclaiming that they can't work out why the turnout was so low. And when these parties form, they will immediately be labelled "far right". Apparently sovereignty and mass immigration wasn't the cause of the result, it was austerity and people feeling left behind. They still don't get it. 'Populist' - whatever that means. Can someone explain this to me. May's deal (like it or not) was voted down by 432 to 202 a 230 majority against it. Now there are what 50 or so ERG 'hardline Brexiteers' in the Tory party. So how come the country is being held to ransom by Brexiteers?
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Post by Pedropotter on Mar 10, 2019 11:56:21 GMT
Check out @ladies4leave’s Tweet: That mad bint at the front looks like princess Di. The whole thing is a Daily Mail readers wet dream.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 10, 2019 16:26:02 GMT
How does Parliament get to vote No Deal down, when a Times poll says that it is the most popular Leave option? I thought they wanted to find out what we really wanted? If they want to find out what the people want, there has to be a second referendum on the final outcome. Latest polls show that 3/4 of people now eligible to vote who weren’t old enough last time (there are 2 million of them) would vote remain. That rises to 87% of those who say they would definitely vote if there was a referendum. Also only 2 constituencies want May’s deal. This has to go back to the people once a credible leave option emerges, whether that is May’s deal, no deal or something else. Then that can be put to the people against remain to see what people would prefer. Anything else is undemocratic.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 10, 2019 16:47:34 GMT
And when these parties form, they will immediately be labelled "far right". Apparently sovereignty and mass immigration wasn't the cause of the result, it was austerity and people feeling left behind. They still don't get it. It's amazing how the left refer to UKIP As 'far right' despite them having numerous members of varying ethnicities,including fielding Asian candidates in Stoke. You might have had a point under Farage and the 87 leaders who followed him but the current leader playing upto the EDL Tommy vote and Tommy himself, far right seems pretty accurate.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 10, 2019 16:50:58 GMT
How does Parliament get to vote No Deal down, when a Times poll says that it is the most popular Leave option? I thought they wanted to find out what we really wanted? If they want to find out what the people want, there has to be a second referendum on the final outcome. Latest polls show that 3/4 of people now eligible to vote who weren’t old enough last time (there are 2 million of them) would vote remain. That rises to 87% of those who say they would definitely vote if there was a referendum. Also only 2 constituencies want May’s deal. This has to go back to the people once a credible leave option emerges, whether that is May’s deal, no deal or something else. Then that can be put to the people against remain to see what people would prefer. Anything else is undemocratic. Wrong there should not be a second vote but if somehow there is the question of remain or leave has been decided The question should be deal or no deal we have already decided to leave
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 10, 2019 16:51:10 GMT
How does Parliament get to vote No Deal down, when a Times poll says that it is the most popular Leave option? I thought they wanted to find out what we really wanted? If they want to find out what the people want, there has to be a second referendum on the final outcome. Latest polls show that 3/4 of people now eligible to vote who weren’t old enough last time (there are 2 million of them) would vote remain. That rises to 87% of those who say they would definitely vote if there was a referendum. Also only 2 constituencies want May’s deal. This has to go back to the people once a credible leave option emerges, whether that is May’s deal, no deal or something else. Then that can be put to the people against remain to see what people would prefer. Anything else is undemocratic. Even on those no doubt femi approved made up numbers, I make you are still 200k short. Leave on the 29th on WTO for me.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 10, 2019 16:53:04 GMT
If they want to find out what the people want, there has to be a second referendum on the final outcome. Latest polls show that 3/4 of people now eligible to vote who weren’t old enough last time (there are 2 million of them) would vote remain. That rises to 87% of those who say they would definitely vote if there was a referendum. Also only 2 constituencies want May’s deal. This has to go back to the people once a credible leave option emerges, whether that is May’s deal, no deal or something else. Then that can be put to the people against remain to see what people would prefer. Anything else is undemocratic. Wrong there should not be a second vote but if somehow there is the question of remain or leave has been decided The question should be deal or no deal we have already decided to leave Correct Blair is apparently still telling macron dont compromise we will give up on leaving.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 10, 2019 16:54:28 GMT
If they want to find out what the people want, there has to be a second referendum on the final outcome. Latest polls show that 3/4 of people now eligible to vote who weren’t old enough last time (there are 2 million of them) would vote remain. That rises to 87% of those who say they would definitely vote if there was a referendum. Also only 2 constituencies want May’s deal. This has to go back to the people once a credible leave option emerges, whether that is May’s deal, no deal or something else. Then that can be put to the people against remain to see what people would prefer. Anything else is undemocratic. Even on those no doubt femi approved made up numbers, I make you are still 200k short. Leave on the 29th on WTO for me. That would do me fine but I’ll take may’s deal if I have to I just want out as soon as possible
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 10, 2019 16:54:57 GMT
If they want to find out what the people want, there has to be a second referendum on the final outcome. Latest polls show that 3/4 of people now eligible to vote who weren’t old enough last time (there are 2 million of them) would vote remain. That rises to 87% of those who say they would definitely vote if there was a referendum. Also only 2 constituencies want May’s deal. This has to go back to the people once a credible leave option emerges, whether that is May’s deal, no deal or something else. Then that can be put to the people against remain to see what people would prefer. Anything else is undemocratic. Even on those no doubt femi approved made up numbers, I make you are still 200k short. Leave on the 29th on WTO for me. I agree, and I hate the "too young to vote" argument. It's fucking feeble.
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 10, 2019 16:56:20 GMT
Even on those no doubt femi approved made up numbers, I make you are still 200k short. Leave on the 29th on WTO for me. That would do me fine but I’ll take may’s deal if I have to I just want out as soon as possible MAY'S DEAL IS NOT OUT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 10, 2019 17:02:32 GMT
That would do me fine but I’ll take may’s deal if I have to I just want out as soon as possible MAY'S DEAL IS NOT OUT There's a (very) small bit of me that hopes May's deal passes - just to see the sight of people for years afterwards trying to convince us we're actually still members of the EU. "What do we want? BREXIT!" "When do want it? Two years after we've already left."
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 10, 2019 17:33:12 GMT
Even on those no doubt femi approved made up numbers, I make you are still 200k short. Leave on the 29th on WTO for me. That would do me fine but I’ll take may’s deal if I have to I just want out as soon as possible Or even out as far as posdible then she has to stand down and a brexiter or even anyone with some kind of vision has to take over for the next stage to stop us getting screwed all over again.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 10, 2019 17:34:48 GMT
There's a (very) small bit of me that hopes May's deal passes - just to see the sight of people for years afterwards trying to convince us we're actually still members of the EU. "What do we want? BREXIT!" "When do want it? Two years after we've already left." Never seen anyone suggest it would leave us as members still only that it leaves us under EU control with no say.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 10, 2019 18:25:15 GMT
That would do me fine but I’ll take may’s deal if I have to I just want out as soon as possible Or even out as far as posdible then she has to stand down and a brexiter or even anyone with some kind of vision has to take over for the next stage to stop us getting screwed all over again. Totally agree it just seems to me that if they manage to delay then somehow they will contrive to stop it all together
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 18:33:34 GMT
Or even out as far as posdible then she has to stand down and a brexiter or even anyone with some kind of vision has to take over for the next stage to stop us getting screwed all over again. Totally agree it just seems to me that if they manage to delay then somehow they will contrive to stop it all together That's been their plan all along.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 10, 2019 18:39:28 GMT
Totally agree it just seems to me that if they manage to delay then somehow they will contrive to stop it all together That's been their plan all along. That’s why I’ll take may’s shit deal if I must
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 10, 2019 18:41:54 GMT
There's a (very) small bit of me that hopes May's deal passes - just to see the sight of people for years afterwards trying to convince us we're actually still members of the EU. "What do we want? BREXIT!" "When do want it? Two years after we've already left." Never seen anyone suggest it would leave us as members still only that it leaves us under EU control with no say. So we will have left.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 10, 2019 18:47:35 GMT
Never seen anyone suggest it would leave us as members still only that it leaves us under EU control with no say. So we will have left. But being so closely aligned still, the option to rejoin a couple of years down the line...mmmm.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 10, 2019 18:50:26 GMT
But being so closely aligned still, the option to rejoin a couple of years down the line...mmmm. The option to rejoin at any time will always be possible, unless the WA and future trade deal state that it's impossible for us to rejoin - which is highly unlikely to happen.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 10, 2019 18:52:36 GMT
But being so closely aligned still, the option to rejoin a couple of years down the line...mmmm. The option to rejoin at any time will always be possible, unless the WA and future trade deal state that it's impossible for us to rejoin - which is highly unlikely to happen. But easier with BRINO than BREXIT don't you think? Remoaner May's plan imo.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 10, 2019 18:58:23 GMT
The option to rejoin at any time will always be possible, unless the WA and future trade deal state that it's impossible for us to rejoin - which is highly unlikely to happen. But easier with BRINO than BREXIT don't you think? Remoaner May's plan imo. And the opposition plan is to stay in it's institutions. Great, isn't it?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 10, 2019 19:01:26 GMT
But easier with BRINO than BREXIT don't you think? Remoaner May's plan imo. And the opposition plan is to stay in it's institutions. Great, isn't it? Gotta be proud being a citizen of The Democratic Peoples Republic of Great Britain and (maybe) Northern Ireland.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 10, 2019 19:26:06 GMT
The option to rejoin at any time will always be possible, unless the WA and future trade deal state that it's impossible for us to rejoin - which is highly unlikely to happen. But easier with BRINO than BREXIT don't you think? Remoaner May's plan imo. Not really. The rules and methods for joining the EU are fairly clear, there is clear guidelines which have been followed by all the countries that have joined recently. The same would apply to us if we wanted to re-join. The deciding factor for how easy it would be to re-join would be time, in my opinion. The longer we are out, the more we diverge from the EU - then the more complicated it becomes to rejoin. But two years after Brexit I think with or without a deal there wouldn't be much divergence.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 10, 2019 19:32:46 GMT
But easier with BRINO than BREXIT don't you think? Remoaner May's plan imo. Not really. The rules and methods for joining the EU are fairly clear, there is clear guidelines which have been followed by all the countries that have joined recently. The same would apply to us if we wanted to re-join. The deciding factor for how easy it would be to re-join would be time, in my opinion. The longer we are out, the more we diverge from the EU - then the more complicated it becomes to rejoin. But two years after Brexit I think with or without a deal there wouldn't be much divergence. I haven't checked bet365 mate, but I'd imagine the odds on us rejoining in n years time, rather than Turkey, will be shorter!
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 10, 2019 19:40:02 GMT
Not really. The rules and methods for joining the EU are fairly clear, there is clear guidelines which have been followed by all the countries that have joined recently. The same would apply to us if we wanted to re-join. The deciding factor for how easy it would be to re-join would be time, in my opinion. The longer we are out, the more we diverge from the EU - then the more complicated it becomes to rejoin. But two years after Brexit I think with or without a deal there wouldn't be much divergence. I haven't checked bet365 mate, but I'd imagine the odds on us rejoining in n years time, rather than Turkey, will be shorter! What have Turkey got to do with it? I didn't say every country would join in the same time. I said the hypothetical rejoining time for a UK that left with a deal and a UK that left without a deal would be roughly the same.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 10, 2019 19:48:27 GMT
I haven't checked bet365 mate, but I'd imagine the odds on us rejoining in n years time, rather than Turkey, will be shorter! What have Turkey got to do with it? I didn't say every country would join in the same time. I said the hypothetical rejoining time for a UK that left with a deal and a UK that left without a deal would be roughly the same. I was trying to make the point (obviously poorly) that we'd be, as a recent leaver (if we do), still ahead of others that are maybe trying to join for the first time. I.e. we'll be ahead of the rest if the plan is to BRINO to appease the natives, hope the dust settles, then go back cap in hand.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 10, 2019 20:03:09 GMT
What have Turkey got to do with it? I didn't say every country would join in the same time. I said the hypothetical rejoining time for a UK that left with a deal and a UK that left without a deal would be roughly the same. I was trying to make the point (obviously poorly) that we'd be, as a recent leaver (if we do), still ahead of others that are maybe trying to join for the first time. I.e. we'll be ahead of the rest if the plan is to BRINO to appease the natives, hope the dust settles, then go back cap in hand. I agree as a recent leaver we would be ahead of anyone else wanting to join. But that isn't to do with the deal we get, in my opinion.
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