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Post by followyoudown on Mar 5, 2019 11:34:13 GMT
"The trap lies not in being part of the European Union; the trap is in the lie and the irresponsibility that can destroy it. Who told the British people the truth about their post-Brexit future? Who spoke to them about losing access to the EU market? Who mentioned the risks to peace in Ireland of restoring the border? Retreating into nationalism offers nothing; it is rejection without an alternative. And this is the trap that threatens the whole of Europe: the anger-mongers, backed by fake news, promise anything and everything." Emmanuel Macron today. The bloke who was only elected because his opponent was some batshit crazy racist, whose own people hate him and protest violently every weekend, nahhhh you're alright mate. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 5, 2019 11:34:47 GMT
"The trap lies not in being part of the European Union; the trap is in the lie and the irresponsibility that can destroy it. Who told the British people the truth about their post-Brexit future? Who spoke to them about losing access to the EU market? Who mentioned the risks to peace in Ireland of restoring the border? Retreating into nationalism offers nothing; it is rejection without an alternative. And this is the trap that threatens the whole of Europe: the anger-mongers, backed by fake news, promise anything and everything." Emmanuel Macron today. You have just about lost any credibility you have left quoting a man who maimes kills and beats his own citezens in a vain attempt to cling to power Have a long look at you’re hero macron who got elected on promising anything and everything to everyone and the French were stupid enough to lap it up |
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Post by thevoid on Mar 5, 2019 11:47:54 GMT
Not having that. Diesel may well be an issue. So is the Brexit vote. I couldn't care one iota what you're 'having'. Brexit's happening- deal with it. |
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Post by thevoid on Mar 5, 2019 11:49:42 GMT
"The trap lies not in being part of the European Union; the trap is in the lie and the irresponsibility that can destroy it. Who told the British people the truth about their post-Brexit future? Who spoke to them about losing access to the EU market? Who mentioned the risks to peace in Ireland of restoring the border? Retreating into nationalism offers nothing; it is rejection without an alternative. And this is the trap that threatens the whole of Europe: the anger-mongers, backed by fake news, promise anything and everything." Emmanuel Macron today. His own people love him don't they, not sure why the British people should pay any heed to what he says? |
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Mar 5, 2019 11:50:59 GMT
The only person to mention a Canada Plus Brexit recently has been Tony Blair, who called it a hard Brexit. Why is nobody else mentioning it, whereas Norway Plus is being considered? the same Tony Blair who is favourite to become the next President of the EU council...no wonder he wants us to stay in.. |
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Post by 4372 on Mar 5, 2019 12:50:10 GMT
Not having that. Diesel may well be an issue. So is the Brexit vote. I couldn't care one iota what you're 'having'. Brexit's happening- deal with it. I know Brexit's happening. So do Nissan and Honda. |
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Post by 4372 on Mar 5, 2019 12:53:41 GMT
"The trap lies not in being part of the European Union; the trap is in the lie and the irresponsibility that can destroy it. Who told the British people the truth about their post-Brexit future? Who spoke to them about losing access to the EU market? Who mentioned the risks to peace in Ireland of restoring the border? Retreating into nationalism offers nothing; it is rejection without an alternative. And this is the trap that threatens the whole of Europe: the anger-mongers, backed by fake news, promise anything and everything." Emmanuel Macron today. You have just about lost any credibility you have left quoting a man who maimes kills and beats his own citezens in a vain attempt to cling to power Have a long look at you’re hero macron who got elected on promising anything and everything to everyone and the French were stupid enough to lap it up Not really fussed about "credibility" Sir,and I doubt you are too. But this is an open forum,and we are all able to post our views. They can then be challenged or ignored by others. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 5, 2019 13:00:13 GMT
You have just about lost any credibility you have left quoting a man who maimes kills and beats his own citezens in a vain attempt to cling to power Have a long look at you’re hero macron who got elected on promising anything and everything to everyone and the French were stupid enough to lap it up Not really fussed about "credibility" Sir,and I doubt you are too. But this is an open forum,and we are all able to post our views. They can then be challenged or ignored by others. Yes you’re totally in titled to your view point and some of your fears may well come about As some of my hopes may well be dashed I was mearly pointing out that using macron as a part of your argument really does you no favours |
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Post by 4372 on Mar 5, 2019 13:10:07 GMT
And i accept that you a argue in good faith. The fallout from Brexit will have consequences as yet unknown,and the possible threat to peace and prosperity in Europe is certainly worth pointing out.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 5, 2019 13:13:12 GMT
I couldn't care one iota what you're 'having'. Brexit's happening- deal with it. I know Brexit's happening. So do Nissan and Honda. Why didn't we veto the EU/Japan free trade deal? You know like we can stop anything we don't want? |
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Post by 4372 on Mar 5, 2019 13:30:07 GMT
I know Brexit's happening. So do Nissan and Honda. Why didn't we veto the EU/Japan free trade deal? You know like we can stop anything we don't want? I will let you work that one out for yourself. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 5, 2019 13:31:26 GMT
Why didn't we veto the EU/Japan free trade deal? You know like we can stop anything we don't want? I will let you work that one out for yourself. No, indulge me. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 5, 2019 14:33:57 GMT
Why didn't we veto the EU/Japan free trade deal? You know like we can stop anything we don't want? I will let you work that one out for yourself. I will let you work that one out for yourself. No, indulge me. No? Tell me which you agree with then. There are only 2 possible options. a) We could veto the EU/Japan trade deal or b) We could not veto the EU/Japan trade deal. If a), why didn't we? 2 possibilities: we made a conscious decision not to, or we allowed it to happen in ignorance. Either way, allowing Japan direct access to the single market ran the risk of Japan moving it's manufacturing base out of the single market (UK) and dealing direct. Either way there are 2 likely UK repercussions, one from the electorate at the ballot box and the other from business in the automotive supply chain through party donations. If b), then the deal could go ahead at any time and regardless of whether we are an EU member or not. It could have happened at any time with or without Brexit and as such Brexit is irrelevant in the execution of the deal. The only issue is the timing which may or may not be influenced by Brexit, but ultimately we have no say in it and no restitution is available to us from within or from outside of the EU. So, which do you agree with, a) or b) or maybe you have a c)? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 5, 2019 16:45:52 GMT
Metropolitan remain bubbles proved by maths and bell ends..... sorry bell curves. Proper brainiac shit.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 5, 2019 19:55:22 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 6, 2019 7:49:51 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 6, 2019 11:21:11 GMT
Or less than the £56bn cost of the London to Birmingham section of HS2 then, and considerably less than the full Manchester/Leeds extension of £80bn. |
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Post by hammered on Mar 6, 2019 11:47:05 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 6, 2019 11:56:05 GMT
Have these packages with Irish stamps been linked to Brexit yet?
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Post by 4372 on Mar 6, 2019 12:08:57 GMT
Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario.
Separately, the head of Toyota's European operations said a negative outcome could put future investment at its UK factory near Derby at risk.
Johan van Zyl told the BBC that if the Brexit "hurdles" are too high it would undermine Toyota's competitiveness.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 6, 2019 12:11:38 GMT
Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK. BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario. Separately, the head of Toyota's European operations said a negative outcome could put future investment at its UK factory near Derby at risk. Johan van Zyl told the BBC that if the Brexit "hurdles" are too high it would undermine Toyota's competitiveness. We won't leave with no deal. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 6, 2019 12:15:48 GMT
Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK. BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario. Separately, the head of Toyota's European operations said a negative outcome could put future investment at its UK factory near Derby at risk. Johan van Zyl told the BBC that if the Brexit "hurdles" are too high it would undermine Toyota's competitiveness. Still pondering? |
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Post by probably on Mar 6, 2019 12:20:48 GMT
Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK. BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario. Separately, the head of Toyota's European operations said a negative outcome could put future investment at its UK factory near Derby at risk. Johan van Zyl told the BBC that if the Brexit "hurdles" are too high it would undermine Toyota's competitiveness. We won't leave with no deal. The UK won’t leave the EU |
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Post by 4372 on Mar 6, 2019 12:38:14 GMT
Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK. BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario. Separately, the head of Toyota's European operations said a negative outcome could put future investment at its UK factory near Derby at risk. Johan van Zyl told the BBC that if the Brexit "hurdles" are too high it would undermine Toyota's competitiveness. Still pondering? No, not really Sir. I don't feel the neeed to argue about things that did not happen, just what did. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 6, 2019 12:48:55 GMT
No, not really Sir. I don't feel the neeed to argue about things that did not happen, just what did. I'm not arguing. I'm wondering from your perspective why a free trade deal between the EU/Japan was allowed to happen despite the potential harm it would do to UK manufacturing? We're told we have a veto over EU decisions, I maintain that's not always the case. So staying in the EU (which I presume you voted for) was accepting of this situation. |
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Post by 4372 on Mar 6, 2019 12:58:03 GMT
No, not really Sir. I don't feel the neeed to argue about things that did not happen, just what did. I'm not arguing. I'm wondering from your perspective why a free trade deal between the EU/Japan was allowed to happen despite the potential harm it would do to UK manufacturing? We're told we have a veto over EU decisions, I maintain that's not always the case. So staying in the EU (which I presume you voted for) was accepting of this situation. On the facts, various car companies have talked about reducing or abandoning their operations in the UK since the Referendum. The issues may not be entirely due to the Result of that referendum, but these companies, as they plan for the future, will surely be building the impact of that result into their plans. There are people on here, sometimes writing in bold type or large font, that there is no correlation between Brexit and the decisions of the car manufacturers. As for the EU side of your statement, I am imagining for a start that the UK has little interest, and would have diminishing impact upon designing EU policies since 2016. Yes, I understand the trade talks have been going on since before 2016. |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 6, 2019 14:47:28 GMT
Have these packages with Irish stamps been linked to Brexit yet? I was thinking that, but surely, even the establishment and Remain in their attempts to destroy Brexit wouldn’t stoop this low?🤔 |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 6, 2019 15:57:56 GMT
Have these packages with Irish stamps been linked to Brexit yet? I was thinking that, but surely, even the establishment and Remain in their attempts to destroy Brexit wouldn’t stoop this low?🤔 I would put nothing past them. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 6, 2019 18:54:33 GMT
Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK. BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario. Separately, the head of Toyota's European operations said a negative outcome could put future investment at its UK factory near Derby at risk. Johan van Zyl told the BBC that if the Brexit "hurdles" are too high it would undermine Toyota's competitiveness. So if UK factories which produce cars to sell to the EU are relocating out of the UK, wouldn't the same be true for the EU factories who produce cars for the UK market? Logic dictates that all those UK bound BMW's built in Germany will be now be built in the UK. |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 6, 2019 19:03:30 GMT
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