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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 1, 2019 16:04:31 GMT
I guess we're all happy with foreign politicians butting into British politics now they're saying something you agree with? There's an unpolitically correct saying in Italian that goes "It's easy to be gay with someone else's arse." It means that it's easy to be bold and courageous when you yourself have nothing at stake. It came back to me when reading Tony Abbott's article. It should be remembered that Abbott is hugely against independence for Australia from the UK. It would appear he is far more conservative when it comes to his own country, but full of big talk when he's got nothing to lose. He's happy to swear his allegiance to Queen Elizabeth, but lecture other countries about sovereignty. Or conversely, we are against an opinion from the outside, if it is something that we don't agree with. I think one of the first outsiders was the great independent contribution from Obama warning us that we would be back of the queue, or was it line......do as you are told UK I'm not against Tony Abbott having his say - I just think he's a hypocrite for talking about big about someone else's country and shitting his pants when it comes to do something in his own country. Of course everyone is entitled to their say (Abbott, Obama, Merkel, Juncker, Putin, Salvini etc) - that's the great thing about democracy. Everyone can have a say, so you don't have just have to shut the fuck up even if you voted for the 'wrong' side in a referendum  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 1, 2019 16:07:49 GMT
I guess we're all happy with foreign politicians butting into British politics now they're saying something you agree with? There's an unpolitically correct saying in Italian that goes "It's easy to be gay with someone else's arse." It means that it's easy to be bold and courageous when you yourself have nothing at stake. It came back to me when reading Tony Abbott's article. It should be remembered that Abbott is hugely against independence for Australia from the UK. It would appear he is far more conservative when it comes to his own country, but full of big talk when he's got nothing to lose. He's happy to swear his allegiance to Queen Elizabeth, but lecture other countries about sovereignty. You could say the same about Sturgeon and Ian Blackford, though. OK for them to want independence, but not us. The more I hear from the EU, the only reason for staying is that it's a bastard to get out of. I don't hear many countries leaders urging us to stay in because its great? If it was only Britain that had wanted to leave, I would think it might be our problem, but we are hardly the first, are we? There has to be something wrong with the project. But we are the first to leave the EU. We might not be the last, but we are the first. You could also flip it round and ask why have 13 countries joined in the last 15 years if the EU is so shit? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 1, 2019 16:14:22 GMT
You could say the same about Sturgeon and Ian Blackford, though. OK for them to want independence, but not us. The more I hear from the EU, the only reason for staying is that it's a bastard to get out of. I don't hear many countries leaders urging us to stay in because its great? If it was only Britain that had wanted to leave, I would think it might be our problem, but we are hardly the first, are we? There has to be something wrong with the project. But we are the first to leave the EU. We might not be the last, but we are the first. You could also flip it round and ask why have 13 countries joined in the last 15 years if the EU is so shit? Because they are even shitter and wanted a safety net and a share of our money? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 1, 2019 16:26:51 GMT
You could say the same about Sturgeon and Ian Blackford, though. OK for them to want independence, but not us. The more I hear from the EU, the only reason for staying is that it's a bastard to get out of. I don't hear many countries leaders urging us to stay in because its great? If it was only Britain that had wanted to leave, I would think it might be our problem, but we are hardly the first, are we? There has to be something wrong with the project. But we are the first to leave the EU. We might not be the last, but we are the first. You could also flip it round and ask why have 13 countries joined in the last 15 years if the EU is so shit? How many of those 13 are net contributors? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 1, 2019 16:44:04 GMT
But we are the first to leave the EU. We might not be the last, but we are the first. You could also flip it round and ask why have 13 countries joined in the last 15 years if the EU is so shit? Because they are even shitter and wanted a safety net and a share of our money? I wasn't sure if it was possible to be shitter than the EU, according to some. They invade your sovereignty, steal your army, bully you in negotiations, and force you into replacing your native race with foreign people. What could possibly be worse than that? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 1, 2019 16:44:16 GMT
But we are the first to leave the EU. We might not be the last, but we are the first. You could also flip it round and ask why have 13 countries joined in the last 15 years if the EU is so shit? How many of those 13 are net contributors? None, I would imagine. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 1, 2019 16:48:11 GMT
Because they are even shitter and wanted a safety net and a share of our money? I wasn't sure if it was possible to be shitter than the EU, according to some. They invade your sovereignty, steal your army, bully you in negotiations, and force you into replacing your native race with foreign people. What could possibly be worse than that? Not a lot, I take it back. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 1, 2019 17:17:51 GMT
How many of those 13 are net contributors? None, I would imagine. So free money (from Germany, UK, France, Italy and Holland) is the answer to your question. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 1, 2019 19:42:34 GMT
In the BREXIT debate, from pre referendum to post referendum, some Remainers have said that we are better in the EU but acknowledged that it has faults ( "we are better in and trying to reform it") .... which I guess might be a reasonable argument.....Can any Remainer explain in what ways the EU should reform?
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 1, 2019 19:43:51 GMT
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Post by prettything on Mar 1, 2019 20:46:18 GMT
Absolutely. What would you like to see that isn’t in the deal on the table from the EU? |
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Post by Northy on Mar 1, 2019 20:58:01 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 1, 2019 21:11:56 GMT
Absolutely. What would you like to see that isn’t in the deal on the table from the EU? A simple question is 'What wouldn't like to see that is in the deal from the EU?' The Irish backstop has become the comfort blanket for both remainers and the EU. Immediately after the referendum result I would have invoked Article 50 as opposed to waiting 9 months, I would have liked to have seen an all party commission consisting mostly of politicians who were pro Brexit and a leave prime minister wouldn't have gone amiss. The EU were fully confident that Westminster didn't really want to invoke 'Brexit' and we are left with the abortion of a situation we see almost 3 years after the vote. |
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Post by salopstick on Mar 1, 2019 21:21:54 GMT
Absolutely. What would you like to see that isn’t in the deal on the table from the EU? A simple question is 'What wouldn't like to see that is in the deal from the EU?' The Irish backstop has become the comfort blanket for both remainers and the EU. Immediately after the referendum result I would have invoked Article 50 as opposed to waiting 9 months, I would have liked to have seen an all party commission consisting mostly of politicians who were pro Brexit and a leave prime minister wouldn't have gone amiss. The EU were fully confident that Westminster didn't really want to invoke 'Brexit' and we are left with the abortion of a situation we see almost 3 years after the vote. i would have put a parliamentary motion in that ALL MPs regardless of opinion respected the vote and pledged to make it work. I would make a parliamentary committee from all parliamentary as best they can to come up with red lines. This would require compromisies as obviously the tories had a majority. This report would be kept secret for now I would say to the Eu. We are prepared now to leave under no deal so let’s negotiate Agree on easy things like rights, crime etc If we had been forthright from the start the vultures couldn’t make money speculating on the £ |
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Post by prettything on Mar 1, 2019 21:24:45 GMT
Absolutely. What would you like to see that isn’t in the deal on the table from the EU? A simple question is 'What wouldn't like to see that is in the deal from the EU?' The Irish backstop has become the comfort blanket for both remainers and the EU. Immediately after the referendum result I would have invoked Article 50 as opposed to waiting 9 months, I would have liked to have seen an all party commission consisting mostly of politicians who were pro Brexit and a leave prime minister wouldn't have gone amiss. The EU were fully confident that Westminster didn't really want to invoke 'Brexit' and we are left with the abortion of a situation we see almost 3 years after the vote. Fair enough, but you haven’t answered the question. What deal would you want that isn’t in May’s proposal? I’m not going to ask you about how to deal with the back stop without a hard border, because I’m not sure anybody has an answer to that. What would you like to see from the EU that hasn’t been offered to the UK already? |
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Post by prettything on Mar 1, 2019 21:28:50 GMT
A simple question is 'What wouldn't like to see that is in the deal from the EU?' The Irish backstop has become the comfort blanket for both remainers and the EU. Immediately after the referendum result I would have invoked Article 50 as opposed to waiting 9 months, I would have liked to have seen an all party commission consisting mostly of politicians who were pro Brexit and a leave prime minister wouldn't have gone amiss. The EU were fully confident that Westminster didn't really want to invoke 'Brexit' and we are left with the abortion of a situation we see almost 3 years after the vote. i would have put a parliamentary motion in that ALL MPs regardless of opinion respected the vote and pledged to make it work. I would make a parliamentary committee from all parliamentary as best they can to come up with red lines. This would require compromisies as obviously the tories had a majority. This report would be kept secret for now I would say to the Eu. We are prepared now to leave under no deal so let’s negotiate Agree on easy things like rights, crime etc If we had been forthright from the start the vultures couldn’t make money speculating on the £ Again, not answered the question. Most of what you want has to do with our own, domestic approach. I think they’ve already agreed on “rights, crime etc “, with us being able to create our own human rights act. We can’t control the stock market, betting on the pound . |
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Post by salopstick on Mar 1, 2019 21:33:54 GMT
i would have put a parliamentary motion in that ALL MPs regardless of opinion respected the vote and pledged to make it work. I would make a parliamentary committee from all parliamentary as best they can to come up with red lines. This would require compromisies as obviously the tories had a majority. This report would be kept secret for now I would say to the Eu. We are prepared now to leave under no deal so let’s negotiate Agree on easy things like rights, crime etc If we had been forthright from the start the vultures couldn’t make money speculating on the £ Again, not answered the question. Most of what you want has to do with our own, domestic approach. I think they’ve already agreed on “rights, crime etc “, with us being able to create our own human rights act. We can’t control the stock market, betting on the pound . Part of the reason of £ and stock market losses is not necessarily Brexit but the sheer disgrace of parliament implenting it |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 1, 2019 21:36:26 GMT
A simple question is 'What wouldn't like to see that is in the deal from the EU?' The Irish backstop has become the comfort blanket for both remainers and the EU. Immediately after the referendum result I would have invoked Article 50 as opposed to waiting 9 months, I would have liked to have seen an all party commission consisting mostly of politicians who were pro Brexit and a leave prime minister wouldn't have gone amiss. The EU were fully confident that Westminster didn't really want to invoke 'Brexit' and we are left with the abortion of a situation we see almost 3 years after the vote. Fair enough, but you haven’t answered the question. What deal would you want that isn’t in May’s proposal? I’m not going to ask you about how to deal with the back stop without a hard border, because I’m not sure anybody has an answer to that. What would you like to see from the EU that hasn’t been offered to the UK already? It's become an easy quote to say 'I didn't vote for a deal, I voted to leave the EU', but that is the basic facts. What deal do you think is so important that defies the decision of the majority of the country? |
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Post by prettything on Mar 1, 2019 21:38:50 GMT
Again, not answered the question. Most of what you want has to do with our own, domestic approach. I think they’ve already agreed on “rights, crime etc “, with us being able to create our own human rights act. We can’t control the stock market, betting on the pound . Part of the reason of £ and stock market losses is not necessarily Brexit but the sheer disgrace of parliament implenting it I don’t think that’s true either. The pound fell pretty much immediately after the vote. I went to California just under two years ago and it was 1.28 to the pound. ( from around 1.58) Currency is there to bet,for or against, the predicted strength of a country’s economy. That’s why we saw a slight rise after the rejection of a no deal scenario from May this week. |
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Post by prettything on Mar 1, 2019 21:45:11 GMT
Fair enough, but you haven’t answered the question. What deal would you want that isn’t in May’s proposal? I’m not going to ask you about how to deal with the back stop without a hard border, because I’m not sure anybody has an answer to that. What would you like to see from the EU that hasn’t been offered to the UK already? It's become an easy quote to say 'I didn't vote for a deal, I voted to leave the EU', but that is the basic facts. What deal do you think is so important that defies the decision of the majority of the country? For me, I think there were many people who voted out of the EU but expected a deal after the event. Not to go round and round with the debate , but I think you know that leaving with a deal with our biggest exporter, would avoid many economical concerns for the leavers who are maybe on the fence? Considering this, what would like to see in the deal for us to continue to trade tariff free with the EU, that isn’t currently on the table? |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 1, 2019 21:58:48 GMT
It's become an easy quote to say 'I didn't vote for a deal, I voted to leave the EU', but that is the basic facts. What deal do you think is so important that defies the decision of the majority of the country? For me, I think there were many people who voted out of the EU but expected a deal after the event. Not to go round and round with the debate , but I think you know that leaving with a deal with our biggest exporter, would avoid many economical concerns for the leavers who are maybe on the fence? Considering this, what would like to see in the deal for us to continue to trade tariff free with the EU, that isn’t currently on the table? Which goes back to my original link, the German economy is pretty much dependent on a frictionless Brexit as Germany is pretty much the EU strength pillar. Germany in recession and no UK income equals a very pessimistic EU outlook, but I keep being told we need the EU more than they need us? |
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Post by prettything on Mar 1, 2019 22:07:32 GMT
For me, I think there were many people who voted out of the EU but expected a deal after the event. Not to go round and round with the debate , but I think you know that leaving with a deal with our biggest exporter, would avoid many economical concerns for the leavers who are maybe on the fence? Considering this, what would like to see in the deal for us to continue to trade tariff free with the EU, that isn’t currently on the table? Which goes back to my original link, the German economy is pretty much dependent on a frictionless Brexit as Germany is pretty much the EU strength pillar. Germany in recession and no UK income equals a very pessimistic EU outlook, but I keep being told we need the EU more than they need us? A large part of our economy depends on tariff free trade with our biggest customer. Whether Germany is approaching recession is irrelevant to my question. My question, is what you would like to be included in the deal currently on the table, that isn’t at this moment? |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 1, 2019 22:18:45 GMT
Which goes back to my original link, the German economy is pretty much dependent on a frictionless Brexit as Germany is pretty much the EU strength pillar. Germany in recession and no UK income equals a very pessimistic EU outlook, but I keep being told we need the EU more than they need us? A large part of our economy depends on tariff free trade with our biggest customer. Whether Germany is approaching recession is irrelevant to my question. My question, is what you would like to be included in the deal currently on the table that isn’t at this moment? It's not irrelevant though is it? The EU is a failing enterprise, the major contributor is in recession, the second suffers weekly protests against the EU, the third is withdrawing and the fourth is an economical basket case. But I'd still like you to point me in the direction of a deal that is worth defying the opinion of the majority of the country. |
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Post by prettything on Mar 1, 2019 22:27:22 GMT
A large part of our economy depends on tariff free trade with our biggest customer. Whether Germany is approaching recession is irrelevant to my question. My question, is what you would like to be included in the deal currently on the table that isn’t at this moment? It's not irrelevant though is it? The EU is a failing enterprise, the major contributor is in recession, the second suffers weekly protests against the EU, the third is withdrawing and the fourth is an economical basket case. But I'd still like you to point me in the direction of a deal that is worth defying the opinion of the majority of the country. You are digressing from the original question. The EU is failing? Germany maybe suffering a recession, but that doesn’t have anything to do with the EU. That is purely an economic, domestic issue. The yellow vests are protesting against, primarily petrol price hikes. My question isn’t loaded. To make a deal, what would you want included, that isn’t currently being offered by the EU? |
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 1, 2019 22:32:01 GMT
A large part of our economy depends on tariff free trade with our biggest customer. Whether Germany is approaching recession is irrelevant to my question. My question, is what you would like to be included in the deal currently on the table that isn’t at this moment? It's not irrelevant though is it? The EU is a failing enterprise, the major contributor is in recession, the second suffers weekly protests against the EU, the third is withdrawing and the fourth is an economical basket case. But I'd still like you to point me in the direction of a deal that is worth defying the opinion of the majority of the country. We will be leaving the EU in a few weeks. On instruction of 52% of the referendum voting mass of this country. What's the problem? |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 1, 2019 22:36:47 GMT
It's not irrelevant though is it? The EU is a failing enterprise, the major contributor is in recession, the second suffers weekly protests against the EU, the third is withdrawing and the fourth is an economical basket case. But I'd still like you to point me in the direction of a deal that is worth defying the opinion of the majority of the country. You are digressing from the original question. The EU is failing? Germany maybe suffering a recession, but that doesn’t have anything to do with the EU. That is purely an economic, domestic issue.
The yellow vests are protesting against, primarily petrol price hikes. My question isn’t loaded. To make a deal, what would you want included, that isn’t currently being offered by the EU? Yet every single job loss, drop in the pound etc etc in the UK is blamed on Brexit, but in Germany it's 'purely an economic, domestic issue'. Project Fear exposed for all to see. |
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Post by prettything on Mar 1, 2019 22:39:47 GMT
It's not irrelevant though is it? The EU is a failing enterprise, the major contributor is in recession, the second suffers weekly protests against the EU, the third is withdrawing and the fourth is an economical basket case. But I'd still like you to point me in the direction of a deal that is worth defying the opinion of the majority of the country. We will be leaving the EU in a few weeks. On instruction of 52% of the referendum voting mass of this country. What's the problem? Where to start, lad.😄 First of all welcome to 2019. Congratulations on being woken up from your cryonic sleep. Erm, read a book or two, and you will find out what the fuss is about. Best of luck.x |
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Post by prettything on Mar 1, 2019 22:41:56 GMT
You are digressing from the original question. The EU is failing? Germany maybe suffering a recession, but that doesn’t have anything to do with the EU. That is purely an economic, domestic issue.
The yellow vests are protesting against, primarily petrol price hikes. My question isn’t loaded. To make a deal, what would you want included, that isn’t currently being offered by the EU? Yet every single job loss, drop in the pound etc etc in the UK is blamed on Brexit, but in Germany it's 'purely an economic, domestic issue'. Project Fear exposed for all to see. Whatever, dude. I’m just interested in the question I asked . |
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 2, 2019 9:15:12 GMT
We will be leaving the EU in a few weeks. On instruction of 52% of the referendum voting mass of this country. What's the problem? Where to start, lad.😄 First of all welcome to 2019. Congratulations on being woken up from your cryonic sleep. Erm, read a book or two, and you will find out what the fuss is about. Best of luck.x Yes I've just read the thread ... We're leaving the EU in a few weeks. What's the problem? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 2, 2019 9:48:58 GMT
Where to start, lad.😄 First of all welcome to 2019. Congratulations on being woken up from your cryonic sleep. Erm, read a book or two, and you will find out what the fuss is about. Best of luck.x Yes I've just read the thread ... We're leaving the EU in a few weeks. What's the problem? The problem is that MPs are trying everything they can not to leave in a few weeks |
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