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Post by xchpotter on Dec 19, 2018 13:56:30 GMT
I would lay fair odds that is one thing he’ll not be to keen to see a rerun He hasn't aged very well, has he? Liars never do. I think it’s to do with forgetting what age you have lied about. The bloke is actually 83 and looking good on it to be fair. |
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 19, 2018 13:57:22 GMT
That’s exactly what leavers voted for, amongst other things. Step forward those that want to subvert democracy and here we are with business in turmoil because the government have not been allowed to do their job of taking us out. This was David Davies's hope and aspiration over 2 years ago sadly thwarted by those who would rather live shackled to the E.U. and its 28 (soon to be 27) unelected E.U. Commissioners. And you want to ridicule him. Really?? Absolutely. He deserves all the ridicule in the world. He knew full well he couldn’t make such wide, complicated deals in that short space of time. Ridiculous. He either deliberately deceived voters on this or was so stupid that he thought he could do this. He’s either a lier or at best a clown. No wonder he didn’t last long . He got found out . Many voted on false promises. The negotiations for a free trade deal won't or should I say cannot begin until we have left next march . All the angst and wringing of hands by remainers is over a TRANSITION Agreement that will used for the period following Brexit . Our long term trading arrangements are something we haven't begun yet |
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Post by Davef on Dec 19, 2018 14:05:31 GMT
No, because they are members of EFTA, a perfectly good avenue for the UK to go down. Unfortunately it's a little too "European" for some people. Are you saying that there's no border at all? No hard border. |
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Post by Gods on Dec 19, 2018 14:13:38 GMT
2 questions for the hard-brexit brigade on here with regard to the post-leave immigration policy announced today. 1.With regard to the minimum salary requirement of £30,000 for skilled migrants. Who will do all the vital low paid jobs done by willing, bright, hard working migrants today? I'm thinking about Care home workers, Hospital workers, Fruit Pickers, Hotel cleaners, Construction Workers, Bar Staff and so on? From what I can see these are precisely the people we need. I don't sense any great hunger among the indigenous population today to take on these tasks for low pay. Seriously, who will do this work? 2.Do you not feel you are losing anything at all by giving up the freedom to live, work, study and love where ever you like in other EU countries? And if not perhaps you know someone likely a young person looking to study or work or an older person looking to retire somewhere warm who does? 1. You clearly don't work in, or know anyone that works in the sectors you mention, hence the clichéd drivel that all immigrants are super hard workers & all the natives are lazy workshy wankers. Get out of your little bubble & go speak to some people, infact, you haven't even got to leave the house, just ask someone like TrickyDicky on here about it. 2. I, or anyone else isn't giving up anything. We'll all still be able to go & live, work, study & love all across the EU. More Brits go to live, work, study & love in Australia & the United States than any country in the Europe, last time I checked neither of those places were members of the EU. This bizarre notion people like you have that we're suddenly going to be barred from ever leaving Blighty is, well, bizarre. Q1 People in charge of hiring in these sectors say there are not enough indigenous workers keen and willing to fill all these roles. I'd rather listen to them than one of your mad cap rants. Q2 Of course you can work elsewhere but not as a matter or right, you have to go through hoops to work in Australia for example. Q3,What is actually wrong with you? Why are you incapable of rational debate? Why do you insist in putting words in my mouth? For example "suddenly barred from leaving blighty", "lazy workshy wankers" I never said any of that. You seem really jumpy. Have you considered, or perhaps done, some kind of anger management course? If you have then it hasn't worked so far! |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 19, 2018 14:35:39 GMT
54.6% voted to leave. That doesn't necessarily mean the majority want no deal. People voted to Leave, they did not vote for a deal with the EU. This, along with hard/soft Brexit, was yet another concept introduced after the vote. It was also constructed before the vote by people like Nige Farage taking about a Norway-like deal. After the referendum he's since changed his tune and thinks that a Norway-like deal would be overturning the referendum results, but hey politicians of all colours will be lying, duplicitous bastards so that's no surprise. You're right that people didn't vote for a deal, just as they didn't vote against a deal. They have never had their say on any deal as the referendum was about the UK's membership of the EU, not on any future deal or withdrawal agreement for the EU. The fact that some people (and I'm talking about at a higher level of power than us mere plebs on here) are now changing what the referendum was about is a way for them to try and get their own way, and try and avoid any criticism or scrutiny about what their actual plans are. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 19, 2018 14:45:31 GMT
I would lay fair odds that is one thing he’ll not be to keen to see a rerun He hasn't aged very well, has he? That’s what a guilt does to you |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 19, 2018 14:48:39 GMT
He hasn't aged very well, has he? That’s what a guilt does to you Is he capable of feeling guilt, though? |
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Post by M on Dec 19, 2018 14:50:22 GMT
2 questions for the hard-brexit brigade on here with regard to the post-leave immigration policy announced today. Get out of your little bubble & go speak to some people, infact, you haven't even got to leave the house, just ask someone like TrickyDicky on here about it. So just after the result of the Brexit ref I had a meeting with the head of HR for who I believe is the largest chicken producer in the country and certainly one of the largest food companies. Many may be familiar as it isn't a company that is located too far away from here. We were talking about their feelings of the result of Brexit and I was told of their fears because the churn rate is so high there for staff. If memory serves me right about 70% of their employees were these low skilled EU migrants (mostly of Eastern European origin). I asked what they felt that was down to before I was told of how they produce chicken and stock virtually every supermarket in the country. One example was that there wasn't machines to take the bones out of the chicken, it's done by hand. Lots of staff stabbing themselves accidentally etc. Not particularly loveable work that is likely to give an enormous sense of satisfaction but I guess there's worse jobs... The wages aren't phenomenal either. Her words precisely "because the Brits just don't want to do it, they come and go because they don't like the work". Word for word. Am I saying that is consistent across all sectors? No, not at all as I don't know. But people are blind or ignorant to think that it doesn't exist, and I wouldn't be surprised if it did exist in all of those... |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 19, 2018 14:57:45 GMT
That’s what a guilt does to you Is he capable of feeling guilt, though? Only he can answer that Maybe he just looks rough as it’s Christmas he’s been up all night visited by the ghost of conflicts past |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 19, 2018 15:00:07 GMT
Q1 People in charge of hiring in these sectors say there are not enough indigenous workers keen and willing to fill all these roles. I'd rather listen to them than one of your mad cap rants. Q2 Of course you can work elsewhere but not as a matter or right, you have to go through hoops to work in Australia for example. Q3,What is actually wrong with you? Why are you incapable of rational debate? Why do you insist in putting words in my mouth? For example "suddenly barred from leaving blighty", "lazy workshy wankers" I never said any of that. You seem really jumpy. Have you considered, or perhaps done, some kind of anger management course? If you have then it hasn't worked so far! Q1 Of course the management love a never ending supply of wage slaves, why pay a proper wage when you don't have to. Have you spoke to Tricky yet? He's a care worker, ask him about how great the wages are, and how wonderfully hard all the immigrants work while he just sits on his lazy arse doing nothing. Q2 You don't have to jump through hoops at all, it just takes a bit of planning, but then you are uprooting your family & moving to another country, it's not exactly like we've currently got thousands of people who wake up on a Monday morning & decide "You know what, fuck it! Duck, get the suitcases packed we're off to live in Greece. I'm just nipping down work to tell them I'm quitting, then we're off to the airport". Q3 I'm a straight talker, I like to be blunt, conna be arsed with people who tip-toe around the points they want to make. If you're too precious to deal with that then you can always ignore my posts, no-one forces you to read them. |
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 19, 2018 15:05:37 GMT
Get out of your little bubble & go speak to some people, infact, you haven't even got to leave the house, just ask someone like TrickyDicky on here about it. So just after the result of the Brexit ref I had a meeting with the head of HR for who I believe is the largest chicken producer in the country and certainly one of the largest food companies. Many may be familiar as it isn't a company that is located too far away from here. We were talking about their feelings of the result of Brexit and I was told of their fears because the churn rate is so high there for staff. If memory serves me right about 70% of their employees were these low skilled EU migrants (mostly of Eastern European origin). I asked what they felt that was down to before I was told of how they produce chicken and stock virtually every supermarket in the country. One example was that there wasn't machines to take the bones out of the chicken, it's done by hand. Lots of staff stabbing themselves accidentally etc. Not particularly loveable work that is likely to give an enormous sense of satisfaction but I guess there's worse jobs... The wages aren't phenomenal either. Her words precisely "because the Brits just don't want to do it, they come and go because they don't like the work". Word for word. Am I saying that is consistent across all sectors? No, not at all as I don't know. But people are blind or ignorant to think that it doesn't exist, and I wouldn't be surprised if it did exist in all of those... Most people in those jobs using knives should be using chain mail gloves |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 19, 2018 15:05:45 GMT
Get out of your little bubble & go speak to some people, infact, you haven't even got to leave the house, just ask someone like TrickyDicky on here about it. So just after the result of the Brexit ref I had a meeting with the head of HR for who I believe is the largest chicken producer in the country and certainly one of the largest food companies. Many may be familiar as it isn't a company that is located too far away from here. We were talking about their feelings of the result of Brexit and I was told of their fears because the churn rate is so high there for staff. If memory serves me right about 70% of their employees were these low skilled EU migrants (mostly of Eastern European origin). I asked what they felt that was down to before I was told of how they produce chicken and stock virtually every supermarket in the country. One example was that there wasn't machines to take the bones out of the chicken, it's done by hand. Lots of staff stabbing themselves accidentally etc. Not particularly loveable work that is likely to give an enormous sense of satisfaction but I guess there's worse jobs... The wages aren't phenomenal either. Her words precisely "because the Brits just don't want to do it, they come and go because they don't like the work". Word for word. Am I saying that is consistent across all sectors? No, not at all as I don't know. But people are blind or ignorant to think that it doesn't exist, and I wouldn't be surprised if it did exist in all of those... Please don't say it was these Shysters |
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 19, 2018 15:23:33 GMT
Get out of your little bubble & go speak to some people, infact, you haven't even got to leave the house, just ask someone like TrickyDicky on here about it. So just after the result of the Brexit ref I had a meeting with the head of HR for who I believe is the largest chicken producer in the country and certainly one of the largest food companies. Many may be familiar as it isn't a company that is located too far away from here. We were talking about their feelings of the result of Brexit and I was told of their fears because the churn rate is so high there for staff. If memory serves me right about 70% of their employees were these low skilled EU migrants (mostly of Eastern European origin). I asked what they felt that was down to before I was told of how they produce chicken and stock virtually every supermarket in the country. One example was that there wasn't machines to take the bones out of the chicken, it's done by hand. Lots of staff stabbing themselves accidentally etc. Not particularly loveable work that is likely to give an enormous sense of satisfaction but I guess there's worse jobs... The wages aren't phenomenal either. Her words precisely "because the Brits just don't want to do it, they come and go because they don't like the work". Word for word. Am I saying that is consistent across all sectors? No, not at all as I don't know. But people are blind or ignorant to think that it doesn't exist, and I wouldn't be surprised if it did exist in all of those... I worked in logistics and found a very similar scenario,the immigrant workers outshone the locals in most aspects,always willing to do extra hours,always striving to move up the ladder and better themselves. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 19, 2018 15:24:15 GMT
Get out of your little bubble & go speak to some people, infact, you haven't even got to leave the house, just ask someone like TrickyDicky on here about it. So just after the result of the Brexit ref I had a meeting with the head of HR for who I believe is the largest chicken producer in the country and certainly one of the largest food companies. Many may be familiar as it isn't a company that is located too far away from here. We were talking about their feelings of the result of Brexit and I was told of their fears because the churn rate is so high there for staff. If memory serves me right about 70% of their employees were these low skilled EU migrants (mostly of Eastern European origin). I asked what they felt that was down to before I was told of how they produce chicken and stock virtually every supermarket in the country. One example was that there wasn't machines to take the bones out of the chicken, it's done by hand. Lots of staff stabbing themselves accidentally etc. Not particularly loveable work that is likely to give an enormous sense of satisfaction but I guess there's worse jobs... The wages aren't phenomenal either. Her words precisely "because the Brits just don't want to do it, they come and go because they don't like the work". Word for word. Am I saying that is consistent across all sectors? No, not at all as I don't know. But people are blind or ignorant to think that it doesn't exist, and I wouldn't be surprised if it did exist in all of those... Maybe these employers would be better served offering decent wages to people, instead of exploiting people of all races? I imagine working conditions are piss poor, too. We are going backwards as a country and EU policies are actively encouraging it. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 19, 2018 15:24:55 GMT
So just after the result of the Brexit ref I had a meeting with the head of HR for who I believe is the largest chicken producer in the country and certainly one of the largest food companies. Many may be familiar as it isn't a company that is located too far away from here. We were talking about their feelings of the result of Brexit and I was told of their fears because the churn rate is so high there for staff. If memory serves me right about 70% of their employees were these low skilled EU migrants (mostly of Eastern European origin). I asked what they felt that was down to before I was told of how they produce chicken and stock virtually every supermarket in the country. One example was that there wasn't machines to take the bones out of the chicken, it's done by hand. Lots of staff stabbing themselves accidentally etc. Not particularly loveable work that is likely to give an enormous sense of satisfaction but I guess there's worse jobs... The wages aren't phenomenal either. Her words precisely "because the Brits just don't want to do it, they come and go because they don't like the work". Word for word. Am I saying that is consistent across all sectors? No, not at all as I don't know. But people are blind or ignorant to think that it doesn't exist, and I wouldn't be surprised if it did exist in all of those... I'll bet this chicken boss lives a life of luxury, right? Rakes in millions whilst paying his staff fuck all on shit contracts in shit conditions (Something you seem to be against most of the time, but are strangely seemingly in favour of it when it comes to immigrants) Mostly of Eastern European origin you say? Let me guess, the chicken boss has more than likely got a few mega rich buddies who rent out some houses & cramb in 27 Romanians to each one. Works great for the Romanians too, they get to split the rent 27 ways & can send the rest of their wages back home to the wife & kids to build a nice house in their own country. Can't really do that when you live here though, British people need proper, living wages to be paid. Young people need jobs. All these failed students who enter the real world & suddenly realise their degree in gender studies is worthless need jobs. Just imagine if Mr.Chicken didn't have a never ending supply of cheap foreign wage slaves & instead had to employ young British people on liveable wages.... Hell, maybe these young people could then even get their own place to live, could maybe even be one of those houses currently housing 27 eastern Europeans. Never ending supplies of cheap foreign wage slaves only benefits the rich, whilst also damaging the poor & young of this country. It's something you'd expect Labour voters to be against, unyet it's strangely been made into a virtious act that instead gets you brownie points for being in favour of. NB : Before it gets thrown at me, as it usually does, I'm not against immigration or immigrants, infact it's the exact opposite. I just believe we should only be taking in small, managable numbers of people who meet basic standards. (Like they speak very good English, hugely important in helping them to integrate into the wider community, and they have skills that we need so that they help to benefit & enrich our society.) I'm just against the mass-migration of low skilled wage slaves which, as said above, only helps to make the rich richer, and the poor/young poorer. NB 2 : Kudos for talking about chicken & not threatening us with the chlorinated kind, which is where I thought it'd go when I first heard the word chicken mentioned!  |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 19, 2018 15:26:41 GMT
So just after the result of the Brexit ref I had a meeting with the head of HR for who I believe is the largest chicken producer in the country and certainly one of the largest food companies. Many may be familiar as it isn't a company that is located too far away from here. We were talking about their feelings of the result of Brexit and I was told of their fears because the churn rate is so high there for staff. If memory serves me right about 70% of their employees were these low skilled EU migrants (mostly of Eastern European origin). I asked what they felt that was down to before I was told of how they produce chicken and stock virtually every supermarket in the country. One example was that there wasn't machines to take the bones out of the chicken, it's done by hand. Lots of staff stabbing themselves accidentally etc. Not particularly loveable work that is likely to give an enormous sense of satisfaction but I guess there's worse jobs... The wages aren't phenomenal either. Her words precisely "because the Brits just don't want to do it, they come and go because they don't like the work". Word for word. Am I saying that is consistent across all sectors? No, not at all as I don't know. But people are blind or ignorant to think that it doesn't exist, and I wouldn't be surprised if it did exist in all of those... I worked in logistics and found a very similar scenario,the immigrant workers outshone the locals in most aspects,always willing to do extra hours,always striving to move up the ladder and better themselves. I found the opposite in care. Some immigrant workers were negligent and would have been sacked if the companies that employed them were fit for purpose. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 19, 2018 15:28:39 GMT
So just after the result of the Brexit ref I had a meeting with the head of HR for who I believe is the largest chicken producer in the country and certainly one of the largest food companies. Many may be familiar as it isn't a company that is located too far away from here. We were talking about their feelings of the result of Brexit and I was told of their fears because the churn rate is so high there for staff. If memory serves me right about 70% of their employees were these low skilled EU migrants (mostly of Eastern European origin). I asked what they felt that was down to before I was told of how they produce chicken and stock virtually every supermarket in the country. One example was that there wasn't machines to take the bones out of the chicken, it's done by hand. Lots of staff stabbing themselves accidentally etc. Not particularly loveable work that is likely to give an enormous sense of satisfaction but I guess there's worse jobs... The wages aren't phenomenal either. Her words precisely "because the Brits just don't want to do it, they come and go because they don't like the work". Word for word. Am I saying that is consistent across all sectors? No, not at all as I don't know. But people are blind or ignorant to think that it doesn't exist, and I wouldn't be surprised if it did exist in all of those... I'll bet this chicken boss lives a life of luxury, right? Rakes in millions whilst paying his staff fuck all on shit contracts in shit conditions (Something you seem to be against most of the time, but are strangely seemingly in favour of it when it comes to immigrants) Mostly of Eastern European origin you say? Let me guess, the chicken boss has more than likely got a few mega rich buddies who rent out some houses & cramb in 27 Romanians to each one. Works great for the Romanians too, they get to split the rent 27 ways & can send the rest of their wages back home to the wife & kids to build a nice house in their own country. Can't really do that when you live here though, British people need proper, living wages to be paid. Young people need jobs. All these failed students who enter the real world & suddenly realise their degree in gender studies is worthless need jobs. Just imagine if Mr.Chicken didn't have a never ending supply of cheap foreign wage slaves & instead had to employ young British people on liveable wages.... Hell, maybe these young people could then even get their own place to live, could maybe even be one of those houses currently housing 27 eastern Europeans. Never ending supplies of cheap foreign wage slaves only benefits the rich, whilst also damaging the poor & young of this country. It's something you'd expect Labour voters to be against, unyet it's strangely been made into a virtious act that instead gets you brownie points for being in favour of. NB : Before it gets thrown at me, as it usually does, I'm not against immigration or immigrants, infact it's the exact opposite. I just believe we should only be taking in small, managable numbers of people who meet basic standards. (Like they speak very good English, hugely important in helping them to integrate into the wider community, and they have skills that we need so that they help to benefit & enrich our society.) I'm just against the mass-migration of low skilled wage slaves which, as said above, only helps to make the rich richer, and the poor/young poorer. NB 2 : Kudos for talking about chicken & not threatening us with the chlorinated kind, which is where I thought it'd go when I first heard the word chicken mentioned! Spot on, and mirrors my experience. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 19, 2018 15:29:28 GMT
It's about who controls the immigration not the amount. A change of government could lead to a change of policy
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 19, 2018 15:37:34 GMT
It's about who controls the immigration not the amount. A change of government could lead to a change of policy Care to expand, BJR? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 15:38:46 GMT
A Corbyn-led No Deal is increasingly becoming my favoured option.
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Post by M on Dec 19, 2018 15:41:20 GMT
So just after the result of the Brexit ref I had a meeting with the head of HR for who I believe is the largest chicken producer in the country and certainly one of the largest food companies. Many may be familiar as it isn't a company that is located too far away from here. We were talking about their feelings of the result of Brexit and I was told of their fears because the churn rate is so high there for staff. If memory serves me right about 70% of their employees were these low skilled EU migrants (mostly of Eastern European origin). I asked what they felt that was down to before I was told of how they produce chicken and stock virtually every supermarket in the country. One example was that there wasn't machines to take the bones out of the chicken, it's done by hand. Lots of staff stabbing themselves accidentally etc. Not particularly loveable work that is likely to give an enormous sense of satisfaction but I guess there's worse jobs... The wages aren't phenomenal either. Her words precisely "because the Brits just don't want to do it, they come and go because they don't like the work". Word for word. Am I saying that is consistent across all sectors? No, not at all as I don't know. But people are blind or ignorant to think that it doesn't exist, and I wouldn't be surprised if it did exist in all of those... I'll bet this chicken boss lives a life of luxury, right? Rakes in millions whilst paying his staff fuck all on shit contracts in shit conditions (Something you seem to be against most of the time, but are strangely seemingly in favour of it when it comes to immigrants) Mostly of Eastern European origin you say? Let me guess, the chicken boss has more than likely got a few mega rich buddies who rent out some houses & cramb in 27 Romanians to each one. Works great for the Romanians too, they get to split the rent 27 ways & can send the rest of their wages back home to the wife & kids to build a nice house in their own country. Can't really do that when you live here though, British people need proper, living wages to be paid. Young people need jobs. All these failed students who enter the real world & suddenly realise their degree in gender studies is worthless need jobs. Just imagine if Mr.Chicken didn't have a never ending supply of cheap foreign wage slaves & instead had to employ young British people on liveable wages.... Hell, maybe these young people could then even get their own place to live, could maybe even be one of those houses currently housing 27 eastern Europeans. Never ending supplies of cheap foreign wage slaves only benefits the rich, whilst also damaging the poor & young of this country. It's something you'd expect Labour voters to be against, unyet it's strangely been made into a virtious act that instead gets you brownie points for being in favour of. NB : Before it gets thrown at me, as it usually does, I'm not against immigration or immigrants, infact it's the exact opposite. I just believe we should only be taking in small, managable numbers of people who meet basic standards. (Like they speak very good English, hugely important in helping them to integrate into the wider community, and they have skills that we need so that they help to benefit & enrich our society.) I'm just against the mass-migration of low skilled wage slaves which, as said above, only helps to make the rich richer, and the poor/young poorer. NB 2 : Kudos for talking about chicken & not threatening us with the chlorinated kind, which is where I thought it'd go when I first heard the word chicken mentioned! chicken boss lives a life of luxury? - I don't know. Didn't meet the boss. I met the head of HR who I would assume has something to do with setting wages. I'm not naive to assume companies like to pay as little as they can but they have a minimum wage to adhere to and even if there is definitely an argument about if that minimum is high enough, if it's slave labour then that is a political point scoring exercise as businesses will wrongly always try and get away with the minimum they can. Something you seem to be against most of the time, but are strangely seemingly in favour of it when it comes to immigrants - I'm assuming you're talking about someone else as that's something I've never been in support of. I've simply pointed out the ethnic mix of one employer I met Let me guess, the chicken boss has more than likely got a few mega rich buddies who rent out some houses & cramb in 27 Romanians to each one - Again, absolutely no idea. Not really sure where you are going with this???? Never ending supplies of cheap foreign wage slaves only benefits the rich - Agreed. But they aren't slaves? They're there on their own decision and doing work that the majority of Brits don't want to do as I was told. I think you need to rephrase that as "low paid workers only benefits the rich" as I'd agree in full but I have no idea what they pay as I didn't care to ask that question at the time and I haven't bothered looking at their careers pages either. NB1 & 2. I'm not debating the merits of immigration. I'm just pointing out there is work out there that Brits don't want to do. Vital work. I've spoken to an employer like you suggested and put their feedback here. Thanks |
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 19, 2018 15:43:30 GMT
I worked in logistics and found a very similar scenario,the immigrant workers outshone the locals in most aspects,always willing to do extra hours,always striving to move up the ladder and better themselves. I found the opposite in care. Some immigrant workers were negligent and would have been sacked if the companies that employed them were fit for purpose. Most,not all but i would say 80+% did not consider it a job,most were keen to forge a career and the vast majority of long serving staff were EU nationals. I retired over 3 years ago but visited a staff shop on Monday this week the only staff members i spoke to were migrants with only ONE exception ? |
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Post by Pedropotter on Dec 19, 2018 15:43:35 GMT
A Corbyn-led No Deal is increasingly becoming my favoured option. It might be quicker if you just chuck yourself of a bridge mate. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 19, 2018 15:43:45 GMT
It's about who controls the immigration not the amount. A change of government could lead to a change of policy Care to expand, BJR? Taking back control? Open borders? Simply the decision who to let in and on what basis should be decided by Parliament. We can change parliament and therefore the government. If people don't like Javid' s policy, perhaps a Labour government could introduce a more socialist policy |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 19, 2018 15:47:00 GMT
I found the opposite in care. Some immigrant workers were negligent and would have been sacked if the companies that employed them were fit for purpose. Most,not all but i would say 80+% did not consider it a job,most were keen to forge a career and the vast majority of long serving staff were EU nationals. I retired over 3 years ago but visited a staff shop on Monday this week the only staff members i spoke to were migrants with only ONE exception ? Not doubting your experience, Skem, just highlighting mine. |
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 19, 2018 15:47:14 GMT
Ok, so now it looks like a large proportion of the UK population are being deemed to be workshy and as a consequence we must have low skilled migrant workers. What did we do 20-30 years ago as I knew locals who worked in chicken factories, care homes, etc etc without issue. Are we accepting that this is how British people now are and if so how has that come about, or is there perhaps a bit of balance to be had by providing opportunity for this type of work and maybe incentivising jobs that, whilst unpleasant,need to be done.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 19, 2018 15:59:26 GMT
A Corbyn-led No Deal is increasingly becoming my favoured option. Don't necessarily agree, but fair play for offering a different, and I think, justifiable stance. |
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Post by M on Dec 19, 2018 16:11:09 GMT
Ok, so now it looks like a large proportion of the UK population are being deemed to be workshy and as a consequence we must have low skilled migrant workers. What did we do 20-30 years ago as I knew locals who worked in chicken factories, care homes, etc etc without issue. Are we accepting that this is how British people now are and if so how has that come about, or is there perhaps a bit of balance to be had by providing opportunity for this type of work and maybe incentivising jobs that, whilst unpleasant,need to be done. I've stood in a queue at McDonalds and listened to two girls who looked about 17 basically outright refuse the concept of working in McDonalds whilst chatting amongst themselves and that they'd prefer to have no work than work there. Then I look across my office at the apprentice I hired 18 months ago who is about the same age and I marvel at just how hard she works. I think we've always had lazy fuckers, always will, but I'd like to think they are in the minority. Maybe there is an argument that a good chunk of Brits aspire for much more and actually see themselves above some roles that are available, or they feel as if they can pick up easier money in other ways and would rather avoid getting their hands dirty or covered in chicken guts... My actual feelings around migration are that I am in favour of it but I would honestly prefer to see it more controlled but only because I don't believe there is currently the political will to invest in to job creating industries. If there was, the more the merrier but currently we are almost bottle necking because everybody is fighting it out against each other to make a living and the blame game ensues which IMO should be directed at policy, not people. But if the door slammed shut tomorrow I do genuinely think we would be worse off for it. Nevermind skilled roles within places like the NHS which would be decimated over at least the short term, but with me not seeing queues of white/black Brits queuing up to become cleaners, car wash boys and girls, fruit pickers, chicken packers etc we could have a cold hard reality check... I've had some professional dealings with the DWP and providers who try to help people get back in to work. Yes, I see people who were not born in the UK, but I can tell you with all certainty that the great majority of them aren't. Literally the only positive I can take from this governments brutal attack on anybody with the audacity to claim benefits is that it has at least forced some of those lazy fuckers to pull their fingers out. It's just a massive shame that we literally lose lives of others deemed fit for work and then die within weeks  Policy could make such a difference. Just look at what this government announced recently with regards to people who pay good money to install solar panels and dare to try and take a tiny bit of revenue by selling surplus power back to the grid. Anyone who does this from April onwards won't be able to. They're expected to hand every kW over to private companies for nothing so that they can sell it. This is an industry that could potentially see investment to employ masses for years to come but they are seemingly trying their best to stop it happening... |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 19, 2018 16:21:40 GMT
Ok, so now it looks like a large proportion of the UK population are being deemed to be workshy and as a consequence we must have low skilled migrant workers. What did we do 20-30 years ago as I knew locals who worked in chicken factories, care homes, etc etc without issue. Are we accepting that this is how British people now are and if so how has that come about, or is there perhaps a bit of balance to be had by providing opportunity for this type of work and maybe incentivising jobs that, whilst unpleasant,need to be done. I've stood in a queue at McDonalds and listened to two girls who looked about 17 basically outright refuse the concept of working in McDonalds whilst chatting amongst themselves and that they'd prefer to have no work than work there. Then I look across my office at the apprentice I hired 18 months ago who is about the same age and I marvel at just how hard she works. I think we've always had lazy fuckers, always will, but I'd like to think they are in the minority. Maybe there is an argument that a good chunk of Brits aspire for much more and actually see themselves above some roles that are available, or they feel as if they can pick up easier money in other ways and would rather avoid getting their hands dirty or covered in chicken guts... My actual feelings around migration are that I am in favour of it but I would honestly prefer to see it more controlled but only because I don't believe there is currently the political will to invest in to job creating industries. If there was, the more the merrier but currently we are almost bottle necking because everybody is fighting it out against each other to make a living and the blame game ensues which IMO should be directed at policy, not people. But if the door slammed shut tomorrow I do genuinely think we would be worse off for it. Nevermind skilled roles within places like the NHS which would be decimated over at least the short term, but with me not seeing queues of white/black Brits queuing up to become cleaners, car wash boys and girls, fruit pickers, chicken packers etc we could have a cold hard reality check... I've had some professional dealings with the DWP and providers who try to help people get back in to work. Yes, I see people who were not born in the UK, but I can tell you with all certainty that the great majority of them aren't. Literally the only positive I can take from this governments brutal attack on anybody with the audacity to claim benefits is that it has at least forced some of those lazy fuckers to pull their fingers out. It's just a massive shame that we literally lose lives of others deemed fit for work and then die within weeks Policy could make such a difference. Just look at what this government announced recently with regards to people who pay good money to install solar panels and dare to try and take a tiny bit of revenue by selling surplus power back to the grid. Anyone who does this from April onwards won't be able to. They're expected to hand every kW over to private companies for nothing so that they can sell it. This is an industry that could potentially see investment to employ masses for years to come but they are seemingly trying their best to stop it happening... I agree with some of that, but car wash boys and girls aren't even paid minimum wage in some cases. I was told this by a fellow care worker from Sierra Leone who had worked in one, run by an Albanian. He also said nobody dared report him due to fear of reprisals. I am glad white and black Brits don't want to be subjected to this. It's completely against socialist principles and the rights people fought for for years. |
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Post by M on Dec 19, 2018 16:27:28 GMT
I've stood in a queue at McDonalds and listened to two girls who looked about 17 basically outright refuse the concept of working in McDonalds whilst chatting amongst themselves and that they'd prefer to have no work than work there. Then I look across my office at the apprentice I hired 18 months ago who is about the same age and I marvel at just how hard she works. I think we've always had lazy fuckers, always will, but I'd like to think they are in the minority. Maybe there is an argument that a good chunk of Brits aspire for much more and actually see themselves above some roles that are available, or they feel as if they can pick up easier money in other ways and would rather avoid getting their hands dirty or covered in chicken guts... My actual feelings around migration are that I am in favour of it but I would honestly prefer to see it more controlled but only because I don't believe there is currently the political will to invest in to job creating industries. If there was, the more the merrier but currently we are almost bottle necking because everybody is fighting it out against each other to make a living and the blame game ensues which IMO should be directed at policy, not people. But if the door slammed shut tomorrow I do genuinely think we would be worse off for it. Nevermind skilled roles within places like the NHS which would be decimated over at least the short term, but with me not seeing queues of white/black Brits queuing up to become cleaners, car wash boys and girls, fruit pickers, chicken packers etc we could have a cold hard reality check... I've had some professional dealings with the DWP and providers who try to help people get back in to work. Yes, I see people who were not born in the UK, but I can tell you with all certainty that the great majority of them aren't. Literally the only positive I can take from this governments brutal attack on anybody with the audacity to claim benefits is that it has at least forced some of those lazy fuckers to pull their fingers out. It's just a massive shame that we literally lose lives of others deemed fit for work and then die within weeks Policy could make such a difference. Just look at what this government announced recently with regards to people who pay good money to install solar panels and dare to try and take a tiny bit of revenue by selling surplus power back to the grid. Anyone who does this from April onwards won't be able to. They're expected to hand every kW over to private companies for nothing so that they can sell it. This is an industry that could potentially see investment to employ masses for years to come but they are seemingly trying their best to stop it happening... I agree with some of that, but car wash boys and girls aren't even paid minimum wage in some cases. I was told this by a fellow care worker from Sierra Leone who had worked in one, run by an Albanian. He also said nobody dared report him due to fear of reprisals. I am glad white and black Brits don't want to be subjected to this. It's completely against socialist principles and the rights people fought for for years. Admittedly, that was in hindsight probably a bad example but I think it stands that there is plenty of roles that are deemed to be below some typical Brits. Not all obviously but we will always have some employers who are basically dodgy as fuck and will get away with that they can... I would say this happens less than say 30 years ago though... |
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