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Post by Gods on Dec 18, 2018 21:18:42 GMT
£2billion quid spunked on no deal preps today. Troops on standby to help in critical situations. The news riddled with companies spending UK money opening offices / branches /warehouses in the EU for the (still unlikely) event of no deal. All so we can give more power to the thundercunts who form our politicians. In future Brexiteers can perhaps reflect on their vanity project while they lie on trolleys in hospital corridors Yes, and almost unbelievably parliament is about to 'rise' and go on holiday for 2 or 3 weeks! The last 2 and a half years have been a total waste of time and money and we have at least a decade more of this utter shit to endure. The whole pantomime just beggars belief  |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 18, 2018 21:22:52 GMT
And how do we all get behind this approach? It’s a tricky one because many opposed to Brexit are still encountering the grief reactions and are either stuck in the denial or anger phases. Whilst these may be perhaps understandable reactions, you can’t move forward until they’ve been accepted and vented. Two years post referendum and not moving on won’t necessarily help. There needs to be a uniting figure and not necessarily a politician. We are in unprecedented times and I am by no means familiar with constitutional law and all that, but maybe the Queen is the one figure most can get behind. I’m sure she has an opinion and is very worldly wise and she could just be the key to unlocking things. Once we have someone or something we can all rally around, the more chance there is of taking most people on the journey. Of course, the Queen May also think Brexit is bonkers and will leave it to Charles to sort out.😂😂😂😂 So no actual description of how we get behind it then? What I mean is how we physically 'get behind' this? What does it involve? |
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Post by pearo on Dec 18, 2018 21:27:57 GMT
Anna Soubry MP for Broxtowe ( majority at last election 836) has said if a no deal policy is persued she will resign the party whip, despite 54.6% of her constituents voting Leave.
You really couldn’t make it up
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2018 21:44:28 GMT
Why don’t want the eu want a no deal Brexit A. They don’t get to shaft us with their spiteful offer B. They are scared we will make it work and other EU countries will follow. C. Both No deal will be better than the shit on offer. Call their bluff. |
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Post by salopstick on Dec 18, 2018 21:44:52 GMT
Anna Soubry MP for Broxtowe ( majority at last election 836) has said if a no deal policy is persued she will resign the party whip, despite 54.6% of her constituents voting Leave. You really couldn’t make it up As I’ve said before the failure of parliament to get behind the result of the referendum is disgraceful regardless of personal views |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2018 21:46:35 GMT
£2billion quid spunked on no deal preps today. Troops on standby to help in critical situations. The news riddled with companies spending UK money opening offices / branches /warehouses in the EU for the (still unlikely) event of no deal. All so we can give more power to the thundercunts who form our politicians. In future Brexiteers can perhaps reflect on their vanity project while they lie on trolleys in hospital corridors Yes, and almost unbelievably parliament is about to 'rise' and go on holiday for 2 or 3 weeks! The last 2 and a half years have been a total waste of time and money and we have at least a decade of this utter shit to endure. The whole pantomime just beggars belief That's telling me it's not as disastrous a position as is painted, if they can all toddle off on holiday. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 21:46:47 GMT
Anna Soubry MP for Broxtowe ( majority at last election 836) has said if a no deal policy is persued she will resign the party whip, despite 54.6% of her constituents voting Leave. You really couldn’t make it up Her constituency chairman had recently said he was going to try to deselect her over her constantly promoting Remain and not following the constituency decision and she had threatened to take him to court. She'd be doing him (and the rest of us !) a favour if she did resign the party whip. She's a real arrogant piece of work. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2018 21:48:44 GMT
Anna Soubry MP for Broxtowe ( majority at last election 836) has said if a no deal policy is persued she will resign the party whip, despite 54.6% of her constituents voting Leave. You really couldn’t make it up Her constituency chairman had recently said he was going to try to deselect her over her constantly promoting Remain and not following the constituency decision and she had threatened to take him to court. She'd be doing him (and the rest of us !) a favour if she did resign the party whip. She's a real arrogant piece of work. She's done nowt since Central Weekend, and she was shit on that. |
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Post by pearo on Dec 18, 2018 21:55:17 GMT
Her constituency chairman had recently said he was going to try to deselect her over her constantly promoting Remain and not following the constituency decision and she had threatened to take him to court. She'd be doing him (and the rest of us !) a favour if she did resign the party whip. She's a real arrogant piece of work. She's done nowt since Central Weekend, and she was shit on that. Is that anything like Babestation? |
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 18, 2018 21:57:27 GMT
Project Fear seems to get less and less scary.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 18, 2018 22:02:07 GMT
Project Fear seems to get less and less scary. Ahhh, don’t be like that. Fear is the only hope some have. If that’s taken away they’ll have nothing. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 18, 2018 22:10:04 GMT
Project Fear seems to get less and less scary. A lot less scary than Soubry on Babestation! 😁 |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 18, 2018 22:16:26 GMT
Anna Soubry MP for Broxtowe ( majority at last election 836) has said if a no deal policy is persued she will resign the party whip, despite 54.6% of her constituents voting Leave. You really couldn’t make it up 54.6% voted to leave. That doesn't necessarily mean the majority want no deal. |
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 18, 2018 22:25:56 GMT
The terminal decline of my team & country is like synchronised diving
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Dec 18, 2018 22:30:11 GMT
She voted remain because she listened to both sides of the argument at a headline level , believed it was the right thing to stay and loves a mini-break in Bruges.
At a "headline level"  Her vote was for a customs union and she doesn't know what a customs union is. Believing it was the right thing to do = zero fact. She can still take a mini break in Bruges with a Leave vote. She was happy enough with the status quo and happy to get on with her life as it was . She knows she can still go to Bruges, but wants it to be as seamless as at present.
The Leave voter in the house has recently admitted he wouldn't have bothered if he'd known that it would mean in his supply planning role he would now have to stay late for Brexit contingency meetings and miss the odd evening football match.
One of my best mates, now a quality manager for a speciality chemicals supplier, says that his leave vote , based on what he thought was too much immigration, was a mistake. He "did not think things through".
These are clever people , but took an emotional but not necessarily well-informed decision at the time.
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Post by pearo on Dec 18, 2018 22:43:49 GMT
Anna Soubry MP for Broxtowe ( majority at last election 836) has said if a no deal policy is persued she will resign the party whip, despite 54.6% of her constituents voting Leave. You really couldn’t make it up 54.6% voted to leave. That doesn't necessarily mean the majority want no deal. No deal is Leave ( we all knew what Leave meant) |
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Post by pearo on Dec 18, 2018 22:47:28 GMT
At a "headline level" Her vote was for a customs union and she doesn't know what a customs union is. Believing it was the right thing to do = zero fact. She can still take a mini break in Bruges with a Leave vote. She was happy enough with the status quo and happy to get on with her life as it was . She knows she can still go to Bruges, but wants it to be as seamless as at present.
The Leave voter in the house has recently admitted he wouldn't have bothered if he'd known that it would mean in his supply planning role he would now have to stay late for Brexit contingency meetings and miss the odd evening football match.
One of my best mates, now a quality manager for a speciality chemicals supplier, says that his leave vote , based on what he thought was too much immigration, was a mistake. He "did not think things through".
These are clever people , but took an emotional but not necessarily well-informed decision at the time.
I think you’ll find “ clever people “ tend to think things through, maybe your best mate is just a little bit more clever than you. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 18, 2018 23:28:58 GMT
54.6% voted to leave. That doesn't necessarily mean the majority want no deal. No deal is Leave ( we all knew what Leave meant) No deal is Leave. So is Norway style. So is Canada style. So is the thousands of other arrangements that could be sorted out between now and when we leave the EU. You speak for 17.4m people say "we all knew" - that's quite the claim. |
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Post by Gods on Dec 18, 2018 23:40:07 GMT
At a "headline level" Her vote was for a customs union and she doesn't know what a customs union is. Believing it was the right thing to do = zero fact. She can still take a mini break in Bruges with a Leave vote. She was happy enough with the status quo and happy to get on with her life as it was . She knows she can still go to Bruges, but wants it to be as seamless as at present.
The Leave voter in the house has recently admitted he wouldn't have bothered if he'd known that it would mean in his supply planning role he would now have to stay late for Brexit contingency meetings and miss the odd evening football match.
One of my best mates, now a quality manager for a speciality chemicals supplier, says that his leave vote , based on what he thought was too much immigration, was a mistake. He "did not think things through".
These are clever people , but took an emotional but not necessarily well-informed decision at the time.
I don't even believe there will be less immigration when we leave. Push down on EU immigration and immigration from Asia and Africa goes up, it's already happening if you look at the figures. |
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Post by pearo on Dec 19, 2018 7:49:17 GMT
No deal is Leave ( we all knew what Leave meant) No deal is Leave. So is Norway style. So is Canada style. So is the thousands of other arrangements that could be sorted out between now and when we leave the EU. You speak for 17.4m people say "we all knew" - that's quite the claim. I don’t speak for 17.4 million people, I speak for every household that received David Cameron’s leaflet which told us leave means leave, in his TV statements he specifically emphasised the point. So at the time of the referendum we all knew what leave meant. The fact that in the intervening 30 months, the establishment, the media and various other outlets have introduced different versions of what they believe Leave meant has clouded the issue. I agree that there are now so many variants of Leave that don’t resemble what Leave meant on the day of the vote that some folk can say “ You didn’t know what you voted for “ but on that day in June 2016 we all did. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 19, 2018 7:55:49 GMT
She was happy enough with the status quo and happy to get on with her life as it was . She knows she can still go to Bruges, but wants it to be as seamless as at present.
The Leave voter in the house has recently admitted he wouldn't have bothered if he'd known that it would mean in his supply planning role he would now have to stay late for Brexit contingency meetings and miss the odd evening football match.
One of my best mates, now a quality manager for a speciality chemicals supplier, says that his leave vote , based on what he thought was too much immigration, was a mistake. He "did not think things through".
These are clever people , but took an emotional but not necessarily well-informed decision at the time.
I don't even believe there will be less immigration when we leave. Push down on EU immigration and immigration from Asia and Africa goes up, it's already happening if you look at the figures. Well believe or not a lot of leave voter are not as racist as some make out For a lot of people it’s not the level of immigration that is the problem It’s the type of immigration and the lack of control Nobody I know has a problem if the government suddenly announced they were bringing in 10 thousand qualified nurses from where ever The problem lies with the ability of many thousands of unskilled workers just to waltz across the channel with few checks and suppress local wages |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 19, 2018 8:02:22 GMT
It's €7 for a 3 year permit to visit 27 countries. It's the cheapest travel pass on the planet. It takes 10 minutes online. The system only comes in after 2021 and even then maybe not for the UK. We'll get some of our 'economy' back after we've charged the EU the same right? And I was laughed off this message board for saying we may need to pay to visit Europe after Brexit and told it would never happen. Another part of project fear turns to project reality. About the price of a pint at the airport. A trifling figure 😂 |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 19, 2018 8:03:55 GMT
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Post by Northy on Dec 19, 2018 8:07:14 GMT
Fooks sake, and people think those who voted leave didnt know what they were voting for. What part of the 'leave mean leave' didnt you understand - an in or out referendum, when the British people speak their voices will be heard, if we vote to leave then we will leave David Cameron Chatham House speech 10th November 2015. "Your decision, nobody elses. Not politicians, not parliaments, not lobby groups." "It will be the final decision. So to those who suggest that a decision in the referendum to leave, would merely produce another stronger re negotiation and a second referendum in which Britain can stay, I say think again." "The referedum that follows will be a once in a generation choice." "When the British people speak, there voice will be respected, not ignored." "If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There will not be another negotiation and another referendum." “Leave means leave” What does this mean? May’s deal ok then? and remainers say that brexiteers didnt know what they were voting for ferfuxache |
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Post by Northy on Dec 19, 2018 8:09:20 GMT
Anna Soubry MP for Broxtowe ( majority at last election 836) has said if a no deal policy is persued she will resign the party whip, despite 54.6% of her constituents voting Leave. You really couldn’t make it up 54.6% voted to leave. That doesn't necessarily mean the majority want no deal. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 19, 2018 8:23:51 GMT
54.6% voted to leave. That doesn't necessarily mean the majority want no deal. A couple of videos of Leavers suggesting there might be a few more options than no deal: |
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Post by prettything on Dec 19, 2018 8:38:34 GMT
Im not moaning about it, either . My original point stemmed from the result which can never be claimed to be “the will of the people” on the basis that Brexit means different things to different people. That and “project fear “ are bullshit labels invented by the tax exile owned right wing tabloids. It wasn’t tax exiled right wing tabloid owners that voted in large enough numbers to cause a leave vote it was millions of poor and low income working men and women The very people who the Labour Party was formed to help and improve there lives Instead they are busy trying to betray these very people just to please the Islington luvies I see you failed to comment on the fact I would except may’s deal if it’s the only way we can leave There were many who read and listened to the tax exiled owned, tabloid papers, though . It’s interesting that The Sun have backed every general election winner. That’s some power! I’m glad you would back Mays plan. I don’t think there are too many on here who would back her Brexit. |
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Post by prettything on Dec 19, 2018 8:40:34 GMT
“Leave means leave” What does this mean? May’s deal ok then? and remainers say that brexiteers didnt know what they were voting for ferfuxache Pay attention. I said that Brexiters do t know what type of Brexit they weee voting for. |
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Post by prettything on Dec 19, 2018 8:46:35 GMT
It was going to be so simple.
The negotiation phase of most of these deals, he added breezily, would most likely be concluded “within between 12 and 24 months” and would comprise a free trade area “massively larger than the EU”, most likely including Hong Kong, Canada, Australia, India, Japan, the UAE, Indonesia – “and many others”.
David Davies
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 19, 2018 9:00:00 GMT
No deal is Leave. So is Norway style. So is Canada style. So is the thousands of other arrangements that could be sorted out between now and when we leave the EU. You speak for 17.4m people say "we all knew" - that's quite the claim. I don’t speak for 17.4 million people, I speak for every household that received David Cameron’s leaflet which told us leave means leave, in his TV statements he specifically emphasised the point. So at the time of the referendum we all knew what leave meant. The fact that in the intervening 30 months, the establishment, the media and various other outlets have introduced different versions of what they believe Leave meant has clouded the issue. I agree that there are now so many variants of Leave that don’t resemble what Leave meant on the day of the vote that some folk can say “ You didn’t know what you voted for “ but on that day in June 2016 we all did. How come the leave campaign which you supported stated that we would have the quickest trade deal in history Norway or Canada with bells on yet you and 17.4 all knew this was not going to happen ? |
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