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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 19:11:05 GMT
How would Leavers on the EE vote, if the question is; Do you want to remain part of an organisation whose mission is to move in an ever closer union towards a United States of Europe that states in their Parliament to want more Sovereignty transferred from the UK to itself Or Would you want to be an independent sovereign nation that can make our own decisions in our best interest without jurisdiction of organisations outside of our nation. I'd love the question to be like that but no doubt the rats in Parliament will devise it "somewhat differently". No question - Sovereign Nation please !!!!!!!!! |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 3, 2018 20:09:27 GMT
How would Leavers on the EE vote, if the question is; Do you want to remain part of an organisation whose mission is to move in an ever closer union towards a United States of Europe that states in their Parliament to want more Sovereignty transferred from the UK to itself Or Would you want to be an independent sovereign nation that can make our own decisions in our best interest without jurisdiction of organisations outside of our nation. I'd love the question to be like that but no doubt the rats in Parliament will devise it "somewhat differently". No question - Sovereign Nation please !!!!!!!!! The thing is Dee that is a valid accurate simple to understand question...we must keep pushing for it. Deals can come later...a separate issue |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 3, 2018 20:09:37 GMT
How would Leavers on the EE vote, if the question is; Do you want to remain part of an organisation whose mission is to move in an ever closer union towards a United States of Europe that states in their Parliament to want more Sovereignty transferred from the UK to itself Or Would you want to be an independent sovereign nation that can make our own decisions in our best interest without jurisdiction of organisations outside of our nation. I'd love the question to be like that but no doubt the rats in Parliament will devise it "somewhat differently". No question - Sovereign Nation please !!!!!!!!! +1 and I’m not bothered if it’s not in our interest |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 20:26:16 GMT
I'd love the question to be like that but no doubt the rats in Parliament will devise it "somewhat differently". No question - Sovereign Nation please !!!!!!!!! The thing is Dee that is s valid accurate simple to understand question...we must keep pushing for it. Deals can come later...a separate issue I don't think that any Remain option should be on a further referendum as the decision to leave was taken in 2016. For me a new referendum (if there is no other way to resolve it) should only be what type of Leave do we want - Mays Deal or No Deal/WTO. But that would just provoke even more of an outcry from the remainers who just want there chance to overturn the June 2016 result. I take it that if there is another referendum, and if Remain wins, then the subject will be closed never to be spoken of again ! What happens if Leave then start a campaign similar to the sort we've witnessed by the Remainers - I rather think it will not be listened to. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 3, 2018 20:37:13 GMT
How would Leavers on the EE vote, if the question is; Do you want to remain part of an organisation whose mission is to move in an ever closer union towards a United States of Europe that states in their Parliament to want more Sovereignty transferred from the UK to itself Or Would you want to be an independent sovereign nation that can make our own decisions in our best interest without jurisdiction of organisations outside of our nation. I'd love the question to be like that but no doubt the rats in Parliament will devise it "somewhat differently". No question - Sovereign Nation please !!!!!!!!! The thing is Dee that is s valid accurate simple to understand question...we must keep pushing for it. Deals can come later...a separate issue |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 3, 2018 20:38:03 GMT
I have asked before, but I wonder what happens if we have a second referendum and Remain, then the shit hits the fan in Europe, and all the things BJR mentions come true?
Would there be a clamour for a third go, or is that not allowed?
I honestly think we are better off coming out, it's falling apart.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 3, 2018 20:51:49 GMT
I have asked before, but I wonder what happens if we have a second referendum and Remain, then the shit hits the fan in Europe, and all the things BJR mentions come true? Would there be a clamour for a third go, or is that not allowed? I honestly think we are better off coming out, it's falling apart. I don't think that they would Tricky. I don't think that they could argue that all the issues, Fear, Armageddon, Not understanding the question, Lies had not had a good airing. I think Abbott might be right.... which is why the wording of the question is vital www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-fresh-second-referendum-leave-win-diane-abbott-final-say-labour-party-a8649256.htmlI think it is still true what Shore said about " now that the fraud has been exposed" in the 75 Referendum |
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Post by pearo on Dec 3, 2018 20:53:52 GMT
As I’ve said many times before, should there be another referendum ( and it’s looking more likely by the day ) the ballot paper will have, Remain and then numerous Leave options in an attempt to split the Leave vote into smaller percentages. As many have stated on here should there be another vote then Remain should not be an option as it has already been defeated and the issue now is how do we Leave. I believe that there will be multi Leave options if there is another vote, and hopefully the Leave voters will galvanise themselves around one option to show the sterile, narrow minded, supercilious establishment that the Leave voters aren’t thick, racist bigots but people who believe that the UK is more than capable of not only surviving, but actually flourishing outside of the EU.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 3, 2018 21:10:49 GMT
Hello Gammons how are those golden uplands looking?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 3, 2018 22:22:57 GMT
Hello Gammons how are those golden uplands looking? Instead of insulting the winners of the referendum, why don't you contact your hero and ask him why he has lied to them, and abandoned the Labour heartlands? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 3, 2018 22:27:50 GMT
Hello Gammons how are those golden uplands looking? Instead of insulting the winners of the referendum, why don't you contact your hero and ask him why he has lied to them, and abandoned the Labour heartlands? If you consider yourself a gammon (which by replying you obviously do) can you answer my question first? Who is my hero incidentally? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 3, 2018 22:34:17 GMT
As I’ve said many times before, should there be another referendum ( and it’s looking more likely by the day ) the ballot paper will have, Remain and then numerous Leave options in an attempt to split the Leave vote into smaller percentages. As many have stated on here should there be another vote then Remain should not be an option as it has already been defeated and the issue now is how do we Leave. I believe that there will be multi Leave options if there is another vote, and hopefully the Leave voters will galvanise themselves around one option to show the sterile, narrow minded, supercilious establishment that the Leave voters aren’t thick, racist bigots but people who believe that the UK is more than capable of not only surviving, but actually flourishing outside of the EU. To be honest, I don't think there's a chance in hell of there being a vote that doesn't end in a choice between two options - if there is another vote, which I'm still sceptical that it will happen. Whether that's a ballot paper with several options that is eventually whittled down to two using second preferences, or a French-style vote where the most popular two from several 'go through' and then it's a straight head-to-head in a final vote. The winning option from a vote with, for example, six options on would likely be around 18-30% of the voters. That would roughly translate into about 15-25% of the entire population - leaving 75-85% getting what they didn't vote for. All rough 'back of a fag packet' calculations, but you can see the problem with any vote that doesn't result in a head-to-head. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 3, 2018 23:02:44 GMT
Instead of insulting the winners of the referendum, why don't you contact your hero and ask him why he has lied to them, and abandoned the Labour heartlands? If you consider yourself a gammon (which by replying you obviously do) can you answer my question first? Who is my hero incidentally? Corbyn is your hero. A spineless turd of a man. You aimed your feeble insult at Brexit voters, that obvious. It's people like you and your hero that have scuppered Brexit, and any benefits that might arise from it. Have some decency and accept that the result went against you, and abide by it. Another poster managed to. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 23:35:56 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 3, 2018 23:52:01 GMT
If you consider yourself a gammon (which by replying you obviously do) can you answer my question first? Who is my hero incidentally? Corbyn is your hero. A spineless turd of a man. You aimed your feeble insult at Brexit voters, that obvious. It's people like you and your hero that have scuppered Brexit, and any benefits that might arise from it. Have some decency and accept that the result went against you, and abide by it. Another poster managed to. Will of the people eh? blah blah blah blue passport getting my country back blah blah...you've been had. Admit you're wrong. If you understood politics you'd understand that Corbyn has played an absolute blinder on this one. Now are you going to answer my question or continue with the Neanderthal insults? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 4, 2018 6:54:57 GMT
Corbyn is your hero. A spineless turd of a man. You aimed your feeble insult at Brexit voters, that obvious. It's people like you and your hero that have scuppered Brexit, and any benefits that might arise from it. Have some decency and accept that the result went against you, and abide by it. Another poster managed to. Will of the people eh? blah blah blah blue passport getting my country back blah blah...you've been had. Admit you're wrong. If you understood politics you'd understand that Corbyn has played an absolute blinder on this one. Now are you going to answer my question or continue with the Neanderthal insults? You are the one who has been had. You have put your trust in a man who is prepared to abandon his principles. Having said that, I am equally scathing about some of the Brexiteers who have been equally cowardly. I do understand politics, and I understand democracy. Politicians have denied democracy, but you refuse to see it. I answered your question, and you started with the insults. I have had differences of opinion with others on here, but always ended up agreeing to disagree. Quite convivial, really. You had to make it personal. I am Neanderthal because I call the Labour leader a liar? He promised to honour the referendum result and hasn't. Just like he lied to the students. Who's been had? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 4, 2018 7:40:38 GMT
Corbyn is a pathetic inept charlatan who every time his lips move you check for McDonnell’s fist up his arse moving his lips
Supported by unscrupulous lying toadies who would rather try to protect drug dealers than act in the good of the country
And what does corbyn do silence and it still remains a labour mp
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Post by henry on Dec 4, 2018 8:04:24 GMT
Tony Blair’s idea of a referendum on whether to remain as part of the EU or totally leave it is the proper way. Someone just needs to tell him it’s already been done.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 4, 2018 8:21:07 GMT
Corbyn is your hero. A spineless turd of a man. You aimed your feeble insult at Brexit voters, that obvious. It's people like you and your hero that have scuppered Brexit, and any benefits that might arise from it. Have some decency and accept that the result went against you, and abide by it. Another poster managed to. Will of the people eh? blah blah blah blue passport getting my country back blah blah...you've been had. Admit you're wrong. If you understood politics you'd understand that Corbyn has played an absolute blinder on this one. Now are you going to answer my question or continue with the Neanderthal insults? Absolute blinder he is 5% behind in the polls  |
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 4, 2018 8:27:54 GMT
Will of the people eh? blah blah blah blue passport getting my country back blah blah...you've been had. Admit you're wrong. If you understood politics you'd understand that Corbyn has played an absolute blinder on this one. Now are you going to answer my question or continue with the Neanderthal insults? You are the one who has been had. You have put your trust in a man who is prepared to abandon his principles. Having said that, I am equally scathing about some of the Brexiteers who have been equally cowardly. I do understand politics, and I understand democracy. Politicians have denied democracy, but you refuse to see it. I answered your question, and you started with the insults. I have had differences of opinion with others on here, but always ended up agreeing to disagree. Quite convivial, really. You had to make it personal. I am Neanderthal because I call the Labour leader a liar? He promised to honour the referendum result and hasn't. Just like he lied to the students. Who's been had? Huddy "this coalitions won't last a week / tory election expenses is going to bring down the government" is predicting no brexit I see, it's official I'm calling it a No deal brexit is almost 100% guaranteed now Huddy the Oracle has spoken  |
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Post by M on Dec 4, 2018 9:34:12 GMT
So with lawyers now saying article 50 can be retracted so we can pretend the last two years didn't happen what is the choice of the Brexiteers? Assuming a no deal scenario will not happen?
Chequers or remain?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 4, 2018 9:43:09 GMT
So with lawyers now saying article 50 can be retracted so we can pretend the last two years didn't happen what is the choice of the Brexiteers? Assuming a no deal scenario will not happen? Chequers or remain? The idea all along, as predicted. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 4, 2018 9:44:06 GMT
Will of the people eh? blah blah blah blue passport getting my country back blah blah...you've been had. Admit you're wrong. If you understood politics you'd understand that Corbyn has played an absolute blinder on this one. Now are you going to answer my question or continue with the Neanderthal insults? Absolute blinder he is 5% behind in the polls Possibly because of Brexit? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 4, 2018 9:53:51 GMT
Will of the people eh? blah blah blah blue passport getting my country back blah blah...you've been had. Admit you're wrong. If you understood politics you'd understand that Corbyn has played an absolute blinder on this one. Now are you going to answer my question or continue with the Neanderthal insults? Absolute blinder he is 5% behind in the polls 5% that’s nothing compared to how far he’ll be when he finally decides which horse his arse is sitting in regards brexit |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 4, 2018 10:03:31 GMT
The idea all along, as predicted. Lovely anit it? The two outcomes of Brexit now are Remain or Remain on Steroids, there's no Brexit anywhere. Makes you sick, or atleast it should. |
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Post by M on Dec 4, 2018 10:09:05 GMT
The idea all along, as predicted. Lovely anit it? The two outcomes of Brexit now are Remain or Remain on Steroids, there's no Brexit anywhere. Makes you sick, or atleast it should. It was inevitable. Nobody should be surprised. We've got a dry run coming this week with how this government in contempt piece pans out to see exactly where the appetite sits with how the house is likely to vote. Think we all know another referendum is probably going to happen. Just need to see if we are having a full house of another general election too... |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 4, 2018 11:40:29 GMT
The idea all along, as predicted. Lovely anit it? The two outcomes of Brexit now are Remain or Remain on Steroids, there's no Brexit anywhere. Makes you sick, or atleast it should. Suits too many people to keep things the way they are. Politicians have proved themselves beyond contempt. It's all a great charade. They aren't politicians at all, they are actors. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 4, 2018 11:40:32 GMT
The EU already said they are categorically against unilateral withdrawal of Art 50. They don't want a situation where (say) Italy can't get an agreement on it's budget proposals so they activate A50, EU caves in under pressure, Italy withdraws A50. EU's worst nightmare. Look for this to be overturned, no doubt though after we have enacted it.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 4, 2018 11:47:13 GMT
Lovely anit it? The two outcomes of Brexit now are Remain or Remain on Steroids, there's no Brexit anywhere. Makes you sick, or atleast it should. It was inevitable. Nobody should be surprised. We've got a dry run coming this week with how this government in contempt piece pans out to see exactly where the appetite sits with how the house is likely to vote. Think we all know another referendum is probably going to happen. Just need to see if we are having a full house of another general election too... Correct. Every Country in Europe that's tried to leave the EU or tried to vote something down..has failed. The last 2 years have been a complete fucking charade..the only winners are Law Firms. |
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Post by M on Dec 4, 2018 12:11:47 GMT
It was inevitable. Nobody should be surprised. We've got a dry run coming this week with how this government in contempt piece pans out to see exactly where the appetite sits with how the house is likely to vote. Think we all know another referendum is probably going to happen. Just need to see if we are having a full house of another general election too... Correct. Every Country in Europe that's tried to leave the EU or tried to vote something down..has failed. The last 2 years have been a complete fucking charade..the only winners are Law Firms. It's also been a great distraction that within that time we have seen more public assets sold off to the private sector over that period than in our entire history combined with not denting our debt... It's almost as if it was a plan all along to focus our energies elsewhere... |
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