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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 25, 2018 15:59:08 GMT
Wankers. Completely abandoned the British working class. Funnily enough I had a bloke from Labour knock on my door earlier today. Told me he's from Birmingham & is a Human Rights lawyer... He'll know all about life in Blurton then! Was it Oggy? |
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Post by Gods on Nov 25, 2018 16:02:34 GMT
A sort of funeral without a wake this morning. The lunacy of this thing is starting to inescapably crowd in. If it's such lunacy, all the MPs who voted for the referendum should resign, then, instead of deliberately scuppering Brexit and handing it back to the people again. If it was such an outlandish suggestion, why did they allow the referendum (even allowing for their miscalculation) in the first place? I think Brexit is achievable, but not enough of them want to try. I've been trying to train myself to keep away from this thread! Partly because it can consume your life and partly because I don't believe anyone has changed their mind in all those thousands of posts but watching this thing play out just did for me this morning. I honestly don't know what the answer now is! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 16:03:39 GMT
The so called People's Vote calls for May's deal or Remain, not May's deal or No Deal. Perhaps at the next election the options should be labour or lib dem, with no option to vote tory? If there was another vote it should be out or Mays deal.....the people already voted to leave |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 16:12:29 GMT
If there was to be another referendum, and there shouldn't be as we already did that on 23rd June 2016 WHEN WE DECIDED TO LEAVE, the question should only be No Deal or May's Deal.
All the constant whinging, crying, moaning, and non-stop anti democratic "noise" from the Remainers - well if they want a referendum, give them one based on the question above.
You had your chance to Remain and LOST !
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 25, 2018 16:12:49 GMT
If it's such lunacy, all the MPs who voted for the referendum should resign, then, instead of deliberately scuppering Brexit and handing it back to the people again. If it was such an outlandish suggestion, why did they allow the referendum (even allowing for their miscalculation) in the first place? I think Brexit is achievable, but not enough of them want to try. I've been trying to train myself to keep away from this thread! Partly because it can consume your life and partly because I don't believe anyone has changed their mind in all those thousands of posts but watching this thing play out just did for me this morning. I honestly don't know what the answer now is! I have a permanent headache because of it, mate! |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 25, 2018 16:16:51 GMT
Watching Richard Burgon from Labour on the Andrew Marr show, earlier. Another insipid turd. Where do they get them from? I would rather vote for Richard Burton.
As he is, now.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2018 17:04:25 GMT
Have Labour offered anything, yet? Apart from basically staying in, I mean? Those within the Labour party who think that they are on the left and want to Remain in the EU are closer to Blair, Mandelson and Campbell than Corbyn, McDonnell and Skinner. ..... "we were told the last one was final"....( yes, but I did not get what I want) |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 25, 2018 17:07:53 GMT
Have Labour offered anything, yet? Apart from basically staying in, I mean? Those within the Labour party who think that they are on the left and want to Remain in the EU are closer to Blair, Mandelson and Campbell than Corbyn, McDonnell and Skinner. ..... "we were told the last one was final"....( yes, but I did not get what I want) The fucking nerve of the cunt. How can Remainers back this kind of bloke. Surely some traditional Labour voters could be swayed by this? |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 25, 2018 17:19:00 GMT
Those within the Labour party who think that they are on the left and want to Remain in the EU are closer to Blair, Mandelson and Campbell than Corbyn, McDonnell and Skinner. ..... "we were told the last one was final"....( yes, but I did not get what I want) The fucking nerve of the cunt. How can Remainers back this kind of bloke. Surely some traditional Labour voters could be swayed by this? No problem Bliar, hold it the weeks after the one you have offered on the Lisbon treaty. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 25, 2018 18:41:26 GMT
Blair is right (spit!) in saying the best way of Brexiteers getting their type of hard Brexit is to have a referendum to show that the majority of the nation wants hard Brexit or no deal Brexit.
At the moment we only know that the country wanted to leave, which is what May's deal is doing. Without a referendum, the grassroots Brexiteers don't really have a voice to let the PM know that May's Brexit is not their Brexit. Unless they're hoping the likes of Rees-Mogg or Boris will come up with something special, but they've done little to change's May's opinion so far.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 25, 2018 19:13:13 GMT
Blair is right (spit!) in saying the best way of Brexiteers getting their type of hard Brexit is to have a referendum to show that the majority of the nation wants hard Brexit or no deal Brexit. At the moment we only know that the country wanted to leave, which is what May's deal is doing. Without a referendum, the grassroots Brexiteers don't really have a voice to let the PM know that May's Brexit is not their Brexit. Unless they're hoping the likes of Rees-Mogg or Boris will come up with something special, but they've done little to change's May's opinion so far. Spot on. I don’t understand leave voters being so against both May’s deal and a second referendum. Do they not realise that IF another deal is to be negotiated then it will inevitably have to be much “softer” than May’s deal as that is the only way to get it through Parliament. A second referendum is the only way a “harder” Brexit than May’s deal is possible, except crashing out with no deal which everyone with more than an ounce of sense opposes. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2018 19:28:17 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2018 19:30:43 GMT
Portillo spot on about the language
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Post by pearo on Nov 25, 2018 19:57:39 GMT
Blair is right (spit!) in saying the best way of Brexiteers getting their type of hard Brexit is to have a referendum to show that the majority of the nation wants hard Brexit or no deal Brexit. At the moment we only know that the country wanted to leave, which is what May's deal is doing. Without a referendum, the grassroots Brexiteers don't really have a voice to let the PM know that May's Brexit is not their Brexit. Unless they're hoping the likes of Rees-Mogg or Boris will come up with something special, but they've done little to change's May's opinion so far. Spot on. I don’t understand leave voters being so against both May’s deal and a second referendum. Do they not realise that IF another deal is to be negotiated then it will inevitably have to be much “softer” than May’s deal as that is the only way to get it through Parliament. A second referendum is the only way a “harder” Brexit than May’s deal is possible, except crashing out with no deal which everyone with more than an ounce of sense opposes. It’s been obvious from your many posts that you don’t understand! Let me explain, we don’t need a second referendum as the result was Leave. Leavers don’t like May’s deal because it is not leave, unfortunately Leave has been called No Deal by the media, but No Deal is leave, sever all ties with the corrupt machine that is the EU, which is exactly was on the ballot paper and what the result was LEAVE. |
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Post by 4372 on Nov 25, 2018 20:13:22 GMT
Which part of the media was responsible for the phrase "No deal is better than a bad deal"?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 25, 2018 21:07:10 GMT
Spot on. I don’t understand leave voters being so against both May’s deal and a second referendum. Do they not realise that IF another deal is to be negotiated then it will inevitably have to be much “softer” than May’s deal as that is the only way to get it through Parliament. A second referendum is the only way a “harder” Brexit than May’s deal is possible, except crashing out with no deal which everyone with more than an ounce of sense opposes. It’s been obvious from your many posts that you don’t understand! Let me explain, we don’t need a second referendum as the result was Leave. Leavers don’t like May’s deal because it is not leave, unfortunately Leave has been called No Deal by the media, but No Deal is leave, sever all ties with the corrupt machine that is the EU, which is exactly was on the ballot paper and what the result was LEAVE. Then embrace us leaving the EU, as every day that passes we get closer to not being a member of the EU - which is exactly what was voted for. Drink it in and enjoy the success. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 25, 2018 21:15:31 GMT
Spot on. I don’t understand leave voters being so against both May’s deal and a second referendum. Do they not realise that IF another deal is to be negotiated then it will inevitably have to be much “softer” than May’s deal as that is the only way to get it through Parliament. A second referendum is the only way a “harder” Brexit than May’s deal is possible, except crashing out with no deal which everyone with more than an ounce of sense opposes. It’s been obvious from your many posts that you don’t understand! Let me explain, we don’t need a second referendum as the result was Leave. Leavers don’t like May’s deal because it is not leave, unfortunately Leave has been called No Deal by the media, but No Deal is leave, sever all ties with the corrupt machine that is the EU, which is exactly was on the ballot paper and what the result was LEAVE. If May’s deal goes through Parliament, will we be a member of the EU on 30 March 2019? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 25, 2018 21:32:36 GMT
Leave voters....are you still really angry that there is going to be te meaningful vote in Parliament over the Brexit deal!?
It’s mad that most leave voters opposed that at the time and called those that supported it traitors etc. Just imagine, the deal would be done and dusted and we would be leaving with May’s deal without the meaningful vote.
It highlights the hypocrisy of many leave voters, and also the total and complete lack of foresight or planning or knowledge in what leave voters were actually voting for!!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2018 21:32:37 GMT
Just wanted to post the second video really, the bouncer, but they come together
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2018 21:35:36 GMT
Leave voters....are you still really angry that there is going to be te meaningful vote in Parliament over the Brexit deal!? It’s mad that most leave voters opposed that at the time and called those that supported it traitors etc. Just imagine, the deal would be done and dusted and we would be leaving with May’s deal without the meaningful vote. It highlights the hypocrisy of many leave voters, and also the total and complete lack of foresight or planning or knowledge in what leave voters were actually voting for!! Did you vote Remain Oggy? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 25, 2018 21:36:04 GMT
Just wanted to post the second video really, the bouncer, but they come together Fuck me steady. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 21:50:51 GMT
Just wanted to post the second video really, the bouncer, but they come together What a pair of idiots, but the bouncer really is a clown - what the hell does he think he's doing ? What's he trying to achieve (world record for bouncing ?) ? |
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Post by sorethumbs on Nov 25, 2018 21:56:36 GMT
You can’t name 1 country can you. Because there aren’t any. There's well over 150 to trade with on WTO, why would I list them all? You said none. Zero. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 25, 2018 21:59:02 GMT
You can’t name 1 country can you. Because there aren’t any. There's well over 150 to trade with on WTO, why would I list them all? You said none. Zero. Oh dear....that’s the default position. Not a bespoke trade deal I’m afraid. |
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Post by sorethumbs on Nov 25, 2018 21:59:06 GMT
Are you suggesting we will have zero deals with anyone else in the rest of the world? Where have you been for the past 2yrs. Have you not heard of us opporating under WTO rules in the event of a hard Brexit. It has been mentioned a few times... So what's your point? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 25, 2018 21:59:33 GMT
Leave voters....are you still really angry that there is going to be te meaningful vote in Parliament over the Brexit deal!? It’s mad that most leave voters opposed that at the time and called those that supported it traitors etc. Just imagine, the deal would be done and dusted and we would be leaving with May’s deal without the meaningful vote. It highlights the hypocrisy of many leave voters, and also the total and complete lack of foresight or planning or knowledge in what leave voters were actually voting for!! Did you vote Remain Oggy? Yes, are you glad there is a meaningful vote now? |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 25, 2018 22:01:03 GMT
Leave voters....are you still really angry that there is going to be te meaningful vote in Parliament over the Brexit deal!? It’s mad that most leave voters opposed that at the time and called those that supported it traitors etc. Just imagine, the deal would be done and dusted and we would be leaving with May’s deal without the meaningful vote. It highlights the hypocrisy of many leave voters, and also the total and complete lack of foresight or planning or knowledge in what leave voters were actually voting for!! I didn't vote for a deal. I voted to leave. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2018 22:03:17 GMT
Did you vote Remain Oggy? Yes, are you glad there is a meaningful vote now? Of course. If have preferred proper BREXIT, but I know that you don't understand that. How come you voted when you did not know what you were voting for? |
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Post by sorethumbs on Nov 25, 2018 22:04:11 GMT
Yep, lots of other international treaties govern how we operate in this globalised world. Surely you cannot be hypocritical enough to want to leave the EU for sovereignty reasons but would be willing, for example, for us to trade under WTO rules with another nation? We haven’t singlehandly set the WTO rules so surely you must be against that and every other international law and treaty we are bound by. Or are you a hypocrite? The WTO don't dictate our immigration policy, or our environmental policy or our access to space projects or our co-operation over terror threats or our rules on state aid. Etc, etc, etc. The WTO provide a set of neutral rules that form the basis of almost all bespoke trading deals. They provide a forum for members to discuss, agree and dispute trade. But glad you finally admit the EU creates laws that the UK merely implements on their behalf. You forgot to mention the massively expensive membership fee Roger. WTO doesn't ask for that either |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 25, 2018 22:08:47 GMT
Leave voters....are you still really angry that there is going to be te meaningful vote in Parliament over the Brexit deal!? It’s mad that most leave voters opposed that at the time and called those that supported it traitors etc. Just imagine, the deal would be done and dusted and we would be leaving with May’s deal without the meaningful vote. It highlights the hypocrisy of many leave voters, and also the total and complete lack of foresight or planning or knowledge in what leave voters were actually voting for!! I didn't vote for a deal. I voted to leave. And if May’s deal goes through, we will have left on 30 March 2019, which is what you voted for. |
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