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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 25, 2018 22:11:43 GMT
Yes, are you glad there is a meaningful vote now? Of course. If have preferred proper BREXIT, but I know that you don't understand that. How come you voted when you did not know what you were voting for? I voted for the status quo. So whilst I don’t know the future, i voted for the systems currently in place for all aspects of what encompasses being a member of the EU to continue. You voted for what will happen on 30 March 2019, if May’s deal goes through. You didn’t know what that deal was at the time you voted though did you? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2018 22:14:07 GMT
Of course. If have preferred proper BREXIT, but I know that you don't understand that. How come you voted when you did not know what you were voting for? I voted for the status quo. So whilst I don’t know the future, i voted for the systems currently in place for all aspects of what encompasses being a member of the EU to continue. You voted for what will happen on 30 March 2019, if May’s deal goes through. You didn’t know what that deal was at the time you voted though did you? So you were the only person in the country who knew what he,/ she was voting for,? There's no status quo in life/ politics.... Ever Closer Union It's not about deals |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 25, 2018 22:14:33 GMT
I didn't vote for a deal. I voted to leave. And if May’s deal goes through, we will have left on 30 March 2019, which is what you voted for. How do you know what I voted for? If May's deal is junked and, as the EU have categorically insisted that this is the only deal, then we will leave completely, fully and with no strings attached. That's what I voted for. |
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Post by 4372 on Nov 25, 2018 22:18:07 GMT
That wasn't even on the ballot paper
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 25, 2018 22:21:39 GMT
And if May’s deal goes through, we will have left on 30 March 2019, which is what you voted for. How do you know what I voted for? If May's deal is junked and, as the EU have categorically insisted that this is the only deal, then we will leave completely, fully and with no strings attached. That's what I voted for. No, you voted to leave. If we leave with May’s deal then that is what you voted for. If we leave with no deal then that will be what you voted for. Either way, you didn’t know when you voted what you were voting for, other than to leave the EU in some way, shape or form. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 25, 2018 22:25:14 GMT
I voted for the status quo. So whilst I don’t know the future, i voted for the systems currently in place for all aspects of what encompasses being a member of the EU to continue. You voted for what will happen on 30 March 2019, if May’s deal goes through. You didn’t know what that deal was at the time you voted though did you? So you were the only person in the country who knew what he,/ she was voting for,? There's no status quo in life/ politics.... Ever Closer Union It's not about deals Remain voters who know how the EU works and how it aligns with our administration knew what they were voting for. Leave voters knew they were voting to leave, but they didn’t (and still don’t know) whether that means May’s deal, a Norway relationship with the EU, a North Korea style approach to things, or somewhere in between....we will wait and see though. And there is a status quo as to how things are done |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2018 22:27:33 GMT
So you were the only person in the country who knew what he,/ she was voting for,? There's no status quo in life/ politics.... Ever Closer Union It's not about deals Remain voters who know how the EU works and how it aligns with our administration knew what they were voting for. Leave voters knew they were voting to leave, but they didn’t (and still don’t know) whether that means May’s deal, a Norway relationship with the EU, a North Korea style approach to things, or somewhere in between....we will wait and see though. And there is a status quo as to how things are done I don't think that many Remainers do know how the EU works, what it is for ( Political and Economic union) and where it is going ( an EU army/ United States of Europe) That status quo as to how things are done is a top down dictat that cannot be challenged by citizens |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 25, 2018 22:33:24 GMT
How do you know what I voted for? If May's deal is junked and, as the EU have categorically insisted that this is the only deal, then we will leave completely, fully and with no strings attached. That's what I voted for. No, you voted to leave. If we leave with May’s deal then that is what you voted for. If we leave with no deal then that will be what you voted for. Either way, you didn’t know when you voted what you were voting for, other than to leave the EU in some way, shape or form. OK my intention when I voted was to rescind all the treaties (Rome, Maastricht, Lisbon etc) and leave the EU. May's deal ties us in for an unforeseeable period. I did not and do not want May's deal. Thankfully I'm not wedded to a political party or an ideology so don't have to accept any old crap from May or you that purports to be a definition of leave. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 25, 2018 22:37:23 GMT
Remain voters who know how the EU works and how it aligns with our administration knew what they were voting for. Leave voters knew they were voting to leave, but they didn’t (and still don’t know) whether that means May’s deal, a Norway relationship with the EU, a North Korea style approach to things, or somewhere in between....we will wait and see though. And there is a status quo as to how things are done I don't think that many Remainers do know how the EU works, what it is for ( Political and Economic union) and where it is going ( an EU army/ United States of Europe) That status quo as to how things are done is a top down dictat that cannot be challenged by citizens The three Remainers I know certainly didn't! It's an absolute fallacy to suggest Remainers are more knowledgeable. Some voted Remain because they thought they wouldn't be able to holiday in Europe! |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2018 22:38:25 GMT
So as Banks was sod all to do with the official leave vote campaign Does this mean if they say it’s not void You will turn round and acept the vote ? Or will you continue to cling to any a attempt to thwart the will of the British people It isn't the will of the people though is it? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 25, 2018 22:52:24 GMT
So as Banks was sod all to do with the official leave vote campaign Does this mean if they say it’s not void You will turn round and acept the vote ? Or will you continue to cling to any a attempt to thwart the will of the British people It isn't the will of the people though is it? Well if it isn’t it will make it all the sweeter when we leave Not that you can prove it is not the will of the people |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2018 22:55:15 GMT
It isn't the will of the people though is it? Well if it isn’t it will make it all the sweeter when we leave Not that you can prove it is not the will of the people We are going nowhere Deep down you know this too. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 25, 2018 22:56:37 GMT
So you were the only person in the country who knew what he,/ she was voting for,? There's no status quo in life/ politics.... Ever Closer Union It's not about deals Remain voters who know how the EU works and how it aligns with our administration knew what they were voting for. Leave voters knew they were voting to leave, but they didn’t (and still don’t know) whether that means May’s deal, a Norway relationship with the EU, a North Korea style approach to things, or somewhere in between....we will wait and see though. And there is a status quo as to how things are done This is a fairly important point. A vote for Remain was for Britain to continue to use the existing framework of how the country was running at the time of the vote. The introduction of any new 'things' (EU Army, the Euro, welfare reform etc to use a few stereotypical examples) into the UK would come through that framework. A vote to Leave was to dismantle that framework and replace it with something else. There was never a strict example of what that 'something else' was, although that's fairly understandable given the size of what 'something else' needed to be. So right now the first step of that 'something else' is Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement - if it is accepted she will move on to negotiating the next part of the 'something else'. If it's rejected then we need another 'something else'. Whatever that 'something else' ends up being, whether it's no deal/WTO or Norway-style, it's all part of the package of what people voted for in 2016. Now I'm off to do 'something else'! |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2018 23:07:47 GMT
Remain voters who know how the EU works and how it aligns with our administration knew what they were voting for. Leave voters knew they were voting to leave, but they didn’t (and still don’t know) whether that means May’s deal, a Norway relationship with the EU, a North Korea style approach to things, or somewhere in between....we will wait and see though. And there is a status quo as to how things are done This is a fairly important point. A vote for Remain was for Britain to continue to use the existing framework of how the country was running at the time of the vote. The introduction of any new 'things' (EU Army, the Euro, welfare reform etc to use a few stereotypical examples) into the UK would come through that framework. A vote to Leave was to dismantle that framework and replace it with something else. There was never a strict example of what that 'something else' was, although that's fairly understandable given the size of what 'something else' needed to be. So right now the first step of that 'something else' is Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement - if it is accepted she will move on to negotiating the next part of the 'something else'. If it's rejected then we need another 'something else'. Whatever that 'something else' ends up being, whether it's no deal/WTO or Norway-style, it's all part of the package of what people voted for in 2016. Now I'm off to do 'something else'! In the first part of what you say rip is exactly what Leavers voted to Leave....at last you at least seem to understand ...a framework designed for Political and Economic union, Ever closer union...so thanks for clarifying that Your second paragraph.....Yes it is the start of a journey , rather than being little Europites it's a vision of the future on our own feet, able to make decisions for ourselves. I know that you have no confidence in the UK and are afraid of that. That's what it is about, self determination, sovereignty and democracy. I don't think that you believe in those things either. Most nations want freedom to make their own decisions, but then again you don't seem to believe in independent countries either. Fear. Of course it will take courage and some upheaval to fully escape the clutches of the EU bureaucracy.. we've had 45 years of ever closer union.Did you think that it would be easy, The EU with the complicity and duplicity of May are making stage one difficult enough. I'm going bed |
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Post by sorethumbs on Nov 25, 2018 23:36:00 GMT
There's well over 150 to trade with on WTO, why would I list them all? You said none. Zero. Oh dear....that’s the default position. Not a bespoke trade deal I’m afraid. Yet you said 'none' So you were wrong |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 25, 2018 23:36:58 GMT
This is a fairly important point. A vote for Remain was for Britain to continue to use the existing framework of how the country was running at the time of the vote. The introduction of any new 'things' (EU Army, the Euro, welfare reform etc to use a few stereotypical examples) into the UK would come through that framework. A vote to Leave was to dismantle that framework and replace it with something else. There was never a strict example of what that 'something else' was, although that's fairly understandable given the size of what 'something else' needed to be. So right now the first step of that 'something else' is Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement - if it is accepted she will move on to negotiating the next part of the 'something else'. If it's rejected then we need another 'something else'. Whatever that 'something else' ends up being, whether it's no deal/WTO or Norway-style, it's all part of the package of what people voted for in 2016. Now I'm off to do 'something else'! In the first part of what you say rip is exactly what Leavers voted to Leave....at last you at least seem to understand ...a framework designed for Political and Economic union, Ever closer union...so thanks for clarifying that Your second paragraph.....Yes it is the start of a journey , rather than being little Europites it's a vision of the future on our own feet, able to make decisions for ourselves. I know that you have no confidence in the UK and are afraid of that. That's what it is about, self determination, sovereignty and democracy. I don't think that you believe in those things either. Most nations want freedom to make their own decisions, but then again you don't seem to believe in independent countries either. Fear. Of course it will take courage and some upheaval to fully escape the clutches of the EU bureaucracy.. we've had 45 years of ever closer union.Did you think that it would be easy, The EU with the complicity and duplicity of May are making stage one difficult enough. I'm going bed You seems to have assumed a lot of what you think I believe in - all wide of the mark of course. But it seems anyone who doesn't agree with you must be an anti-democratic, anti-British crusher of independence (yawn). I'm glad we've agreed on what people voted against at least. Like of most of the discussion these days, it seems finding out what we voted against seems more important than our future. If the so-called patriots of the Brexit movement had spent half as much time on thinking about the future of the country as they did on how bad the EU is, we might've had a bit more of a plan and wouldn't be in a mess. |
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Post by pearo on Nov 26, 2018 0:14:39 GMT
In the first part of what you say rip is exactly what Leavers voted to Leave....at last you at least seem to understand ...a framework designed for Political and Economic union, Ever closer union...so thanks for clarifying that Your second paragraph.....Yes it is the start of a journey , rather than being little Europites it's a vision of the future on our own feet, able to make decisions for ourselves. I know that you have no confidence in the UK and are afraid of that. That's what it is about, self determination, sovereignty and democracy. I don't think that you believe in those things either. Most nations want freedom to make their own decisions, but then again you don't seem to believe in independent countries either. Fear. Of course it will take courage and some upheaval to fully escape the clutches of the EU bureaucracy.. we've had 45 years of ever closer union.Did you think that it would be easy, The EU with the complicity and duplicity of May are making stage one difficult enough. I'm going bed You seems to have assumed a lot of what you think I believe in - all wide of the mark of course. But it seems anyone who doesn't agree with you must be an anti-democratic, anti-British crusher of independence (yawn). I'm glad we've agreed on what people voted against at least. Like of most of the discussion these days, it seems finding out what we voted against seems more important than our future. If the so-called patriots of the Brexit movement had spent half as much time on thinking about the future of the country as they did on how bad the EU is, we might've had a bit more of a plan and wouldn't be in a mess. The so-called patriots knew what they wanted, they voted to Leave. Unfortunately when Cameron agreed to hold the referendum, he, along with the Westminster elite were confident of a Remain victory which Cameron thought would give him a stronger position in future negotiations. Alas for the establishment the majority of the country voted Leave, since that day, the government, the mass media and random rouge social media accounts have conspired to do all that they can to thwart, minimise and potentially overturn the result of a legally binding national vote. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 26, 2018 0:25:18 GMT
If there was to be another referendum, and there shouldn't be as we already did that on 23rd June 2016 WHEN WE DECIDED TO LEAVE, the question should only be No Deal or May's Deal. All the constant whinging, crying, moaning, and non-stop anti democratic "noise" from the Remainers - well if they want a referendum, give them one based on the question above. You had your chance to Remain and LOST ! Surely the question(s) on the original referendum paper should have been ... A) Leave with a deal (but we couldn't have this option at the time because none of us knew what this option actually meant) B) Leave with no deal C) Remain If we're going to be GENUINELY democratic, now that we know what option A actually means, then why would we remotely not put these (now) informed questions back to the people? Surely there's a possibility that remain would have won if we had known what option A actually meant at the time, isn't there? Now we (for the first time) have the ability to find out ... democracy. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 26, 2018 7:21:37 GMT
In the first part of what you say rip is exactly what Leavers voted to Leave....at last you at least seem to understand ...a framework designed for Political and Economic union, Ever closer union...so thanks for clarifying that Your second paragraph.....Yes it is the start of a journey , rather than being little Europites it's a vision of the future on our own feet, able to make decisions for ourselves. I know that you have no confidence in the UK and are afraid of that. That's what it is about, self determination, sovereignty and democracy. I don't think that you believe in those things either. Most nations want freedom to make their own decisions, but then again you don't seem to believe in independent countries either. Fear. Of course it will take courage and some upheaval to fully escape the clutches of the EU bureaucracy.. we've had 45 years of ever closer union.Did you think that it would be easy, The EU with the complicity and duplicity of May are making stage one difficult enough. I'm going bed You seems to have assumed a lot of what you think I believe in - all wide of the mark of course. But it seems anyone who doesn't agree with you must be an anti-democratic, anti-British crusher of independence (yawn). I'm glad we've agreed on what people voted against at least. Like of most of the discussion these days, it seems finding out what we voted against seems more important than our future. If the so-called patriots of the Brexit movement had spent half as much time on thinking about the future of the country as they did on how bad the EU is, we might've had a bit more of a plan and wouldn't be in a mess. I've based what I said precisely on what you said. On a simple level I am right in thinking that you are Pro EU and would have preferred it if the Referendum had not been called or if the result was to stay ( not sure if that's wholly stay, fully stay, stay a bit more , stay a bit less, or leave it to them, I'll go with it, it must be going the right way) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 7:27:40 GMT
If there was to be another referendum, and there shouldn't be as we already did that on 23rd June 2016 WHEN WE DECIDED TO LEAVE, the question should only be No Deal or May's Deal. All the constant whinging, crying, moaning, and non-stop anti democratic "noise" from the Remainers - well if they want a referendum, give them one based on the question above. You had your chance to Remain and LOST ! Surely the question(s) on the original referendum paper should have been ... A) Leave with a deal (but we couldn't have this option at the time because none of us knew what this option actually meant) B) Leave with no deal C) Remain If we're going to be GENUINELY democratic, now that we know what option A actually means, then why would we remotely not put these (now) informed questions back to the people? Surely there's a possibility that remain would have won if we had known what option A actually meant at the time, isn't there? Now we (for the first time) have the ability to find out ... democracy. We made the choice to leave in June 2016, after the referendum was endorsed by Parliament. It's clear that the remainers still can't handle the result. If they really want another referendum, now they know what "the deal" is, then the question should be May's Deal or No Deal, and not include Remain as an option as that has already been decided.........democracy. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 26, 2018 7:30:16 GMT
Oh dear....that’s the default position. Not a bespoke trade deal I’m afraid. Yet you said 'none' So you were wrong You think trading on WTO rules is a bespoke trade deal that we should be aspiring to? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 26, 2018 7:34:59 GMT
You seems to have assumed a lot of what you think I believe in - all wide of the mark of course. But it seems anyone who doesn't agree with you must be an anti-democratic, anti-British crusher of independence (yawn). I'm glad we've agreed on what people voted against at least. Like of most of the discussion these days, it seems finding out what we voted against seems more important than our future. If the so-called patriots of the Brexit movement had spent half as much time on thinking about the future of the country as they did on how bad the EU is, we might've had a bit more of a plan and wouldn't be in a mess. The so-called patriots knew what they wanted, they voted to Leave. Unfortunately when Cameron agreed to hold the referendum, he, along with the Westminster elite were confident of a Remain victory which Cameron thought would give him a stronger position in future negotiations. Alas for the establishment the majority of the country voted Leave, since that day, the government, the mass media and random rouge social media accounts have conspired to do all that they can to thwart, minimise and potentially overturn the result of a legally binding national vote. It's happening. 29th March 2019. Deal with it. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 26, 2018 7:36:55 GMT
This is a fairly important point. A vote for Remain was for Britain to continue to use the existing framework of how the country was running at the time of the vote. The introduction of any new 'things' (EU Army, the Euro, welfare reform etc to use a few stereotypical examples) into the UK would come through that framework. A vote to Leave was to dismantle that framework and replace it with something else. There was never a strict example of what that 'something else' was, although that's fairly understandable given the size of what 'something else' needed to be. So right now the first step of that 'something else' is Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement - if it is accepted she will move on to negotiating the next part of the 'something else'. If it's rejected then we need another 'something else'. Whatever that 'something else' ends up being, whether it's no deal/WTO or Norway-style, it's all part of the package of what people voted for in 2016. Now I'm off to do 'something else'! In the first part of what you say rip is exactly what Leavers voted to Leave....at last you at least seem to understand ...a framework designed for Political and Economic union, Ever closer union...so thanks for clarifying that Your second paragraph.....Yes it is the start of a journey , rather than being little Europites it's a vision of the future on our own feet, able to make decisions for ourselves. I know that you have no confidence in the UK and are afraid of that. That's what it is about, self determination, sovereignty and democracy. I don't think that you believe in those things either. Most nations want freedom to make their own decisions, but then again you don't seem to believe in independent countries either. Fear. Of course it will take courage and some upheaval to fully escape the clutches of the EU bureaucracy.. we've had 45 years of ever closer union.Did you think that it would be easy, The EU with the complicity and duplicity of May are making stage one difficult enough. I'm going bed Does that mean you do have confidence in May’s deal because you seem to be criticising RIP for not having it. But then you contradict this confidence by accusing May of complicity despite the fact she is implementing PRECISELY what you and all leave voters voted for; to leave the EU. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 26, 2018 7:39:29 GMT
You seems to have assumed a lot of what you think I believe in - all wide of the mark of course. But it seems anyone who doesn't agree with you must be an anti-democratic, anti-British crusher of independence (yawn). I'm glad we've agreed on what people voted against at least. Like of most of the discussion these days, it seems finding out what we voted against seems more important than our future. If the so-called patriots of the Brexit movement had spent half as much time on thinking about the future of the country as they did on how bad the EU is, we might've had a bit more of a plan and wouldn't be in a mess. I've based what I said precisely on what you said. On a simple level I am right in thinking that you are Pro EU and would have preferred it if the Referendum had not been called or if the result was to stay ( not sure if that's wholly stay, fully stay, stay a bit more , stay a bit less, or leave it to them, I'll go with it, it must be going the right way) Congratulations on pointing out I voted Remain, although it had nothing to do with my original message. Some of us have moved on since June 2016 and accepted the result of the referendum. Oddly, you don't seem to have done so. Are you a member of the ERG? You'd fit right in. All protest, no solution. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 26, 2018 7:39:53 GMT
Surely the question(s) on the original referendum paper should have been ... A) Leave with a deal (but we couldn't have this option at the time because none of us knew what this option actually meant) B) Leave with no deal C) Remain If we're going to be GENUINELY democratic, now that we know what option A actually means, then why would we remotely not put these (now) informed questions back to the people? Surely there's a possibility that remain would have won if we had known what option A actually meant at the time, isn't there? Now we (for the first time) have the ability to find out ... democracy. We made the choice to leave in June 2016, after the referendum was endorsed by Parliament. It's clear that the remainers still can't handle the result. If they really want another referendum, now they know what "the deal" is, then the question should be May's Deal or No Deal, and not include Remain as an option as that has already been decided.........democracy. So do you think the next general election should be a restricted vote between Tory or UKIP only because the others lost last time (I’ve included UKIP as half the Tories are UKIPPERS)? What is more democratic than being able to vote and have the power to change your mind from last time? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 26, 2018 7:42:30 GMT
In the first part of what you say rip is exactly what Leavers voted to Leave....at last you at least seem to understand ...a framework designed for Political and Economic union, Ever closer union...so thanks for clarifying that Your second paragraph.....Yes it is the start of a journey , rather than being little Europites it's a vision of the future on our own feet, able to make decisions for ourselves. I know that you have no confidence in the UK and are afraid of that. That's what it is about, self determination, sovereignty and democracy. I don't think that you believe in those things either. Most nations want freedom to make their own decisions, but then again you don't seem to believe in independent countries either. Fear. Of course it will take courage and some upheaval to fully escape the clutches of the EU bureaucracy.. we've had 45 years of ever closer union.Did you think that it would be easy, The EU with the complicity and duplicity of May are making stage one difficult enough. I'm going bed Does that mean you do have confidence in May’s deal because you seem to be criticising RIP for not having it. But then you contradict this confidence by accusing May of complicity despite the fact she is implementing PRECISELY what you and all leave voters voted for; to leave the EU. You'll have to explain that Oggy. I don't know if you are actually listening to the debate that is going on or not outside of that of : some people: on the EE board but it is precisely about whether May's deal is actually BREXIT, remembering of course that a deal and the decision to leave the EU are two separate things. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 26, 2018 7:46:51 GMT
I've based what I said precisely on what you said. On a simple level I am right in thinking that you are Pro EU and would have preferred it if the Referendum had not been called or if the result was to stay ( not sure if that's wholly stay, fully stay, stay a bit more , stay a bit less, or leave it to them, I'll go with it, it must be going the right way) Congratulations on pointing out I voted Remain, although it had nothing to do with my original message. Some of us have moved on since June 2016 and accepted the result of the referendum. Oddly, you don't seem to have done so. Are you a member of the ERG? You'd fit right in. All protest, no solution. Some have not moved on and seek to reverse and undermine it. No I'm not a member of the ERG, that's a parliamentary Conservative group isn't it? My solution still would be to leave on WTO rules given that the EU intend to punish us and tie is in with May's compliance On first perusal the idea below seems sensible to me. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 26, 2018 8:02:49 GMT
Another clear thing that May's' deal' does not do is to " put BREXIT to bed" so that as s country we/ and the EU can move on.....it's simply saying that we carry on negotiations until we get ' a deal'...... intentionally do in my opinion to put distance between the Referendum and any future decisions that are made.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 26, 2018 8:52:02 GMT
Congratulations on pointing out I voted Remain, although it had nothing to do with my original message. Some of us have moved on since June 2016 and accepted the result of the referendum. Oddly, you don't seem to have done so. Are you a member of the ERG? You'd fit right in. All protest, no solution. Some have not moved on and seek to reverse and undermine it. No I'm not a member of the ERG, that's a parliamentary Conservative group isn't it? My solution still would be to leave on WTO rules given that the EU intend to punish us and tie is in with May's compliance On first perusal the idea below seems sensible to me. So it looks like we would both reject May's plan as we feel there is a better alternative out there - we just have a difference of opinion what the best alternative is. It'd be boring if we all thought the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 8:54:12 GMT
We made the choice to leave in June 2016, after the referendum was endorsed by Parliament. It's clear that the remainers still can't handle the result. If they really want another referendum, now they know what "the deal" is, then the question should be May's Deal or No Deal, and not include Remain as an option as that has already been decided.........democracy. So do you think the next general election should be a restricted vote between Tory or UKIP only because the others lost last time (I’ve included UKIP as half the Tories are UKIPPERS)? What is more democratic than being able to vote and have the power to change your mind from last time? A general election is a completely different scenario. The referendum was a choice between remain or leave - leave won, and the result should be honoured. If there were to be another referendum then that choice should be between the method of leaving I.e. May's Deal or No Deal. |
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