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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 15:48:03 GMT
I wouldn't take it no matter what it means Fair enough. I think it's been the biggest piss take in history. People voted out, and it's not allowed. I won't vote again, I will just sit back and laugh at the lot of them. Not sure what I'll do yet....I know for sure I'll never vote for what they want me to vote for Although I doubt we'll be allowed to even pretend vote once we are fully assimilated |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 22, 2018 15:49:19 GMT
As ive pointed out before people on the brexit side if they are so sure that this is the will of the people then why are they so scared of a referendum, oh perhaps its because they have released a book on how they lied to the electorate, and the tricks that they used to get the result they did and people have now seen the lies that their campaign was based around If/When we get this referendum on what we've already voted on ....again, and this time the people vote to be governed by an overseas power .....would you be happy for us to have another referendum 2 yrs after.....set out in a way that weekend your vote ? Don't answer as I don't like fucking lies Frustrating, isn't it? Greening has just said that parliament won't vote for a No Deal. Why not? Did it say on the ballot paper "we will honour the result, apart from a hard Brexit"? Wankers. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 22, 2018 15:56:15 GMT
Of all the galling aspects to this, the worst is hearing MPs asking for a second referendum on the basis that they want to "listen to the people". You haven't listened for years, that's why this is happening!
Twats.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 22, 2018 15:58:19 GMT
There won't be a no deal. May won't get her deal through Parliament. So that leaves; 1) Another Referendum (And why would anyone respect the result of a second Third referendum if they didn't respect the result of the first) 2) General Election (DUP props up Labour..if it saves the Union). As ive pointed out before people on the brexit side if they are so sure that this is the will of the people then why are they so scared of a referendum, oh perhaps its because they have released a book on how they lied to the electorate, and the tricks that they used to get the result they did and people have now seen the lies that their campaign was based around I’m not scared of another referendum provided the same amount of funding is allowed to be spent and equal air time also I’m confident if things are equal leave would piss it |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 22, 2018 16:05:16 GMT
Can somebody put up a link to any gov.uk website that has the details of the remain referendum option please as I'd like to study them?
Thanks.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 22, 2018 16:13:51 GMT
Of all the galling aspects to this, the worst is hearing MPs asking for a second referendum on the basis that they want to "listen to the people". You haven't listened for years, that's why this is happening! Twats. ET: We do need to have an injection of democracy in between the result of the referendum and us going any further… What we wanted was a meaningful vote [in Parliament], and Theresa May is simply giving us a devil and the deep blue sea… If we don’t have a general election, which we think we should have, then yes of course all the options remain on the table and we would campaign for there to be a ‘people’s vote’. But there are several stages before we get there. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 22, 2018 16:19:29 GMT
Of all the galling aspects to this, the worst is hearing MPs asking for a second referendum on the basis that they want to "listen to the people". You haven't listened for years, that's why this is happening! Twats. ET: We do need to have an injection of democracy in between the result of the referendum and us going any further… What we wanted was a meaningful vote [in Parliament], and Theresa May is simply giving us a devil and the deep blue sea… If we don’t have a general election, which we think we should have, then yes of course all the options remain on the table and we would campaign for there to be a ‘people’s vote’. But there are several stages before we get there. She wants a fucking injection! |
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 22, 2018 16:47:50 GMT
Of all the galling aspects to this, the worst is hearing MPs asking for a second referendum on the basis that they want to "listen to the people". You haven't listened for years, that's why this is happening! Twats. ET: We do need to have an injection of democracy in between the result of the referendum and us going any further… What we wanted was a meaningful vote [in Parliament], and Theresa May is simply giving us a devil and the deep blue sea… If we don’t have a general election, which we think we should have, then yes of course all the options remain on the table and we would campaign for there to be a ‘people’s vote’. But there are several stages before we get there. All options on the table is double speak for we haven't got a clue what to do either |
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Post by upthefud on Nov 22, 2018 16:54:58 GMT
I wouldn't take it no matter what it means Again you are wrong we had already joined and the referendum was to stay in or leave!! As the brexiter have already admitted to lies, manipulation and are being investigated by the police for using foreign money to finance additional advertising etc don't you think that the referendum was flawed and should be re run ? well that's what you would have been demanding if the shoe was on the other foot!! hypocrisy in action!!! You’re an absolute joke. Did the government spend 9m quid of taxi payers money on a pro-EU leaflet? Was the idea of an EU army branded as ‘a dangerous fantasy’? Did politicians vote 6:1 in favour of giving the people the right to decide? If you don’t like democracy feel free to pack up and move to North Korea, you won’t be missed |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 22, 2018 17:02:58 GMT
ET: We do need to have an injection of democracy in between the result of the referendum and us going any further… What we wanted was a meaningful vote [in Parliament], and Theresa May is simply giving us a devil and the deep blue sea… If we don’t have a general election, which we think we should have, then yes of course all the options remain on the table and we would campaign for there to be a ‘people’s vote’. But there are several stages before we get there. All options on the table is double speak for we haven't got a clue what to do either That’s the problem we have the worst prime minster in my lifetime and I included that bastard Blair in that And what alternative are we offered the lying duplicitous incompetent corbyn A politician that makes Michael foot look electable It’s all a shambles really it’s crying out for a half decent politician to sort it out one way or the other |
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 22, 2018 17:43:37 GMT
All options on the table is double speak for we haven't got a clue what to do either That’s the problem we have the worst prime minster in my lifetime and I included that bastard Blair in that And what alternative are we offered the lying duplicitous incompetent corbyn A politician that makes Michael foot look electable It’s all a shambles really it’s crying out for a half decent politician to sort it out one way or the other Cant think of a potential leader who would unite the conservatives |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 22, 2018 17:44:47 GMT
ET: We do need to have an injection of democracy in between the result of the referendum and us going any further… What we wanted was a meaningful vote [in Parliament], and Theresa May is simply giving us a devil and the deep blue sea… If we don’t have a general election, which we think we should have, then yes of course all the options remain on the table and we would campaign for there to be a ‘people’s vote’. But there are several stages before we get there. All options on the table is double speak for we haven't got a clue what to do either Harry Labour have missed the biggest opportunity offered to a political party since the election of the Atlee government. The difference is that Atlee presented a vision for Britain, a vision that was in some ways unimaginable, given the economic, social and political situation at the time but they won and determibrd the political climate in the UK since, the Welfare state, the NHS. The Labour party are offering no vision whatsoever. They could be saying" Post BREXIT we will introduce worker and family friendly policies that exceed those offered by the vEU. We will create va fairer society , a fairer distribution of wealth but recognise that this has got to be based on entrepreneurialshiip and trade with the rest of the world, where the potential growth is. We will deal with the causes of mental health in the young , not the consequences. We will properly fund the NHS. ...etc etc. Instead their message seems to be , we will keep quiet , sit on the fence and let the Conservatives destroy themselves, then we will seize power........and have a go ourselves. Unfortunately if they win power my feeling is that it would be such a disaster , disappointing all sides of the Political spectrum that they would be out of office within a year, possibly split and tgere could be a new Centre left party. In respect of BREXIT , they would not deliver on behalf of the working class..... total betrayal........ singing from the same songsheet.....m" pur jib is not to listen and understand tge plebs, our job is to tell you what to do, what to think and what is best for you"......... In other words in the current climate the party who will clearly win power between the traditional main two will be the one who promises to deliver proper Brexit. Imho of course |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 22, 2018 17:51:08 GMT
All options on the table is double speak for we haven't got a clue what to do either That’s the problem we have the worst prime minster in my lifetime and I included that bastard Blair in that And what alternative are we offered the lying duplicitous incompetent corbyn A politician that makes Michael foot look electable It’s all a shambles really it’s crying out for a half decent politician to sort it out one way or the other In fairness to Foot, he was against the EU, and I reckon he would have stuck to his principles in Corbyn's position. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 22, 2018 17:56:43 GMT
The legal default of May's WA being voted down is No Deal and the No.10 soundbites about getting 'No Brexit' of the HoC 'stopping' No Deal are cobblers. Domestic UK legislation can't stop the EU's Article 50 Treaty bound in International Law. BUT and it's a big but, EU law could stop EU law. An emergency provision from Brussels for the State in question to pause or cancel their notice to leave. It's a big but because this then exposes the EU's non-negotiable once-things-are-set-motion-we-can't-stop-them nonsense. A second referendum is nonsense. The minimum time to satisfy the legal and political requirements is about 24 weeks putting that date past the 29th March when we 'leave' the EU either with the next stage agreed, May's WA, or No Deal. How long would it take to hold a second referendum on Brexit? - The Constitution Unit So all those Peoples Vote protesters rather wasted a day out in London. Plus a second referendum doesn't solve anything because Remain wouldn't accept another lose, Leave wouldn't need to accept a Remain win and we're not even voting on the "the deal". The negotiations on the actual deal only start next March. Extending Article 50 would again need EU co-operation and that could only be for about 6-7 weeks because the MEP elections kick in on 23rd May and if the UK isn't through the A50 period the UK MEP's could seek re-election which would complicate matters to say the least! Could there be an emergency extension to A50 AND a second ref? It's possible but they would literally need to start that process within the next week so that would need May and the EU to admit they were wrong in that Leave means Leave. If (when) May's WA get's voted down next month we're left with May's defeated proposal, No Deal looming, no time to accommodate a 2nd ref even if A50 was extended and even less time for the EU to come up with a pause treaty for A50. Domestically John McDonut calls for a vote in no confidence in the Government. Firstly, No.10 argue that the vote wasn't a confidence vote. Secondly, any Conservative MP voting against it's own Government in a confidence vote is automatically barred from standing for the Cons in the next General Election. Thirdly, the DUP say we will vote WITH the Conservatives in a confidence vote so the Cons stay in power but only if May walks and the next PM deletes the NI protocol from the WA. And if the EU don't like that we're back to No Deal again. This is a really good analysis, Rog. Thoroughly, thoroughly depressing at the self harm we are close to committing. Let’s hope the likes of Rudd and co are right that Parliament isn’t negligent enough to allow a no deal brexit which would, according to our own government, be a disaster. Surely they cannot be that negligent. |
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 22, 2018 17:59:48 GMT
All options on the table is double speak for we haven't got a clue what to do either Harry Labour have missed the biggest opportunity offered to a political party since the election of the Atlee government. The difference is that Atlee presented a vision for Britain, a vision that was in some ways unimaginable, given the economic, social and political situation at the time but they won and determibrd the political climate in the UK since, the Welfare state, the NHS. The Labour party are offering no vision whatsoever. They could be saying" Post BREXIT we will introduce worker and family friendly policies that exceed those offered by the vEU. We will create va fairer society , a fairer distribution of wealth but recognise that this has got to be based on entrepreneurialshiip and trade with the rest of the world, where the potential growth is. We will deal with the causes of mental health in the young , not the consequences. We will properly fund the NHS. ...etc etc. Instead their message seems to be , we will keep quiet , sit on the fence and let the Conservatives destroy themselves, then we will seize power........and have a go ourselves. Unfortunately if they win power my feeling is that it would be such a disaster , disappointing all sides of the Political spectrum that they would be out of office within a year, possibly split and tgere could be a new Centre left party. In respect of BREXIT , they would not deliver on behalf of the working class..... total betrayal........ singing from the same songsheet.....m" pur jib is not to listen and understand tge plebs, our job is to tell you what to do, what to think and what is best for you" Imho of course Very true john , labours problem is the lack of credibility within the leadership. Corbyn , McDonald, abbot and co are as far from labours traditional values as is possible to get . The deselection of traditional labour MPs and the conduct of momentum is a throwback to the craziness of the 70s and 80s . Labour should have pissed the last election , corbyn will be hard pressed the convince the swing voters he is worthy of their trust particularly with all of his baggage that he carries |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 22, 2018 18:09:47 GMT
Harry Labour have missed the biggest opportunity offered to a political party since the election of the Atlee government. The difference is that Atlee presented a vision for Britain, a vision that was in some ways unimaginable, given the economic, social and political situation at the time but they won and determibrd the political climate in the UK since, the Welfare state, the NHS. The Labour party are offering no vision whatsoever. They could be saying" Post BREXIT we will introduce worker and family friendly policies that exceed those offered by the vEU. We will create va fairer society , a fairer distribution of wealth but recognise that this has got to be based on entrepreneurialshiip and trade with the rest of the world, where the potential growth is. We will deal with the causes of mental health in the young , not the consequences. We will properly fund the NHS. ...etc etc. Instead their message seems to be , we will keep quiet , sit on the fence and let the Conservatives destroy themselves, then we will seize power........and have a go ourselves. Unfortunately if they win power my feeling is that it would be such a disaster , disappointing all sides of the Political spectrum that they would be out of office within a year, possibly split and tgere could be a new Centre left party. In respect of BREXIT , they would not deliver on behalf of the working class..... total betrayal........ singing from the same songsheet.....m" pur jib is not to listen and understand tge plebs, our job is to tell you what to do, what to think and what is best for you" Imho of course Very true john , labours problem is the lack of credibility within the leadership. Corbyn , McDonald, abbot and co are as far from labours traditional values as is possible to get . The deselection of traditional labour MPs and the conduct of momentum is a throwback to the craziness of the 70s and 80s . Labour should have pissed the last election , corbyn will be hard pressed the convince the swing voters he is worthy of their trust particularly with all of his baggage that he carries Starmer was on the radio tonight explaining his version of the Labour position. As I understood him, they would reject the Withdrawal agreement as it does not meet any of their 6 conditions. Fair enough. But then he says that should Labour win power they would renegotiate a better deal in which we would be members of the SM, but with a negotiated agreement on Free movement. Absolutely ridiculous. The 4 freedom s are sacrosanct for the EU, thats the point. The EU have said that they won't renegotiate. Secondly the Withdrawal agreement is not scheduled to be debate d until the second week in December........ we've got the Xmas recess. So he thinks that we can have an election and renegotiation before March 29. What he really means is that " We can delay or reverse Brexit". Absolutely no realistic vision whatsoever. It is relatively easy being in opposition. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 22, 2018 18:12:22 GMT
The legal default of May's WA being voted down is No Deal and the No.10 soundbites about getting 'No Brexit' of the HoC 'stopping' No Deal are cobblers. Domestic UK legislation can't stop the EU's Article 50 Treaty bound in International Law. BUT and it's a big but, EU law could stop EU law. An emergency provision from Brussels for the State in question to pause or cancel their notice to leave. It's a big but because this then exposes the EU's non-negotiable once-things-are-set-motion-we-can't-stop-them nonsense. A second referendum is nonsense. The minimum time to satisfy the legal and political requirements is about 24 weeks putting that date past the 29th March when we 'leave' the EU either with the next stage agreed, May's WA, or No Deal. How long would it take to hold a second referendum on Brexit? - The Constitution Unit So all those Peoples Vote protesters rather wasted a day out in London. Plus a second referendum doesn't solve anything because Remain wouldn't accept another lose, Leave wouldn't need to accept a Remain win and we're not even voting on the "the deal". The negotiations on the actual deal only start next March. Extending Article 50 would again need EU co-operation and that could only be for about 6-7 weeks because the MEP elections kick in on 23rd May and if the UK isn't through the A50 period the UK MEP's could seek re-election which would complicate matters to say the least! Could there be an emergency extension to A50 AND a second ref? It's possible but they would literally need to start that process within the next week so that would need May and the EU to admit they were wrong in that Leave means Leave. If (when) May's WA get's voted down next month we're left with May's defeated proposal, No Deal looming, no time to accommodate a 2nd ref even if A50 was extended and even less time for the EU to come up with a pause treaty for A50. Domestically John McDonut calls for a vote in no confidence in the Government. Firstly, No.10 argue that the vote wasn't a confidence vote. Secondly, any Conservative MP voting against it's own Government in a confidence vote is automatically barred from standing for the Cons in the next General Election. Thirdly, the DUP say we will vote WITH the Conservatives in a confidence vote so the Cons stay in power but only if May walks and the next PM deletes the NI protocol from the WA. And if the EU don't like that we're back to No Deal again. This is a really good analysis, Rog. Thoroughly, thoroughly depressing at the self harm we are close to committing. Let’s hope the likes of Rudd and co are right that Parliament isn’t negligent enough to allow a no deal brexit which would, according to our own government, be a disaster. Surely they cannot be that negligent. Just for clarity Oggy, a ' no deal' is actually a " WTO rules deal" under which many countries trade perfectly well. Secondly the Referendum was not about deals, but about being in or out of the EU. Besides which we have had the Referendum , We voted to leave the EU, the CU, the SM, free movement, EuCtJ. We are not re running the Referendum. The Government made it clear that they wanted to stay in the EU and still do so they are hardly neutral. Like many decisions we have made it , for better or for worse |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 22, 2018 18:29:10 GMT
Very true john , labours problem is the lack of credibility within the leadership. Corbyn , McDonald, abbot and co are as far from labours traditional values as is possible to get . The deselection of traditional labour MPs and the conduct of momentum is a throwback to the craziness of the 70s and 80s . Labour should have pissed the last election , corbyn will be hard pressed the convince the swing voters he is worthy of their trust particularly with all of his baggage that he carries Starmer was on the radio tonight explaining his version of the Labour position. As I understood him, they would reject the Withdrawal agreement as it does not meet any of their 6 conditions. Fair enough. But then he says that should Labour win power they would renegotiate a better deal in which we would be members of the SM, but with a negotiated agreement on Free movement. Absolutely ridiculous. The 4 freedom s are sacrosanct for the EU, thats the point. The EU have said that they won't renegotiate. Secondly the Withdrawal agreement is not scheduled to be debate d until the second week in December........ we've got the Xmas recess. So he thinks that we can have an election and renegotiation before March 29. What he really means is that " We can delay or reverse Brexit". Absolutely no realistic vision whatsoever. It is relatively easy being in opposition. At least Hitler had got one ball. |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 22, 2018 19:41:22 GMT
third referendum with the option to stay in as we now know the true extent of the shambles that brexit is!! You can't vote for an option that has not been discussed between the UK/EU. That has no details, that cannot be assumed to be on the same terms as pre Article 50, that has not been agreed by the 27 remaining member states. So of the 2 options we have the details, WTO or May, which do you want on another referendum? The option to remain and possibly cancel article 50 is with the court of sessions in Scotland with the advice being sought on a ruling from the European court the government have spent millions trying this going to the court for a ruling and have been ruled against all the way up to the supreme court in the uk. it is now up to the European court to rule if this can be stopped (article 50) so as of this moment it is an option |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 22, 2018 19:43:57 GMT
Harry Labour have missed the biggest opportunity offered to a political party since the election of the Atlee government. The difference is that Atlee presented a vision for Britain, a vision that was in some ways unimaginable, given the economic, social and political situation at the time but they won and determibrd the political climate in the UK since, the Welfare state, the NHS. The Labour party are offering no vision whatsoever. They could be saying" Post BREXIT we will introduce worker and family friendly policies that exceed those offered by the vEU. We will create va fairer society , a fairer distribution of wealth but recognise that this has got to be based on entrepreneurialshiip and trade with the rest of the world, where the potential growth is. We will deal with the causes of mental health in the young , not the consequences. We will properly fund the NHS. ...etc etc. Instead their message seems to be , we will keep quiet , sit on the fence and let the Conservatives destroy themselves, then we will seize power........and have a go ourselves. Unfortunately if they win power my feeling is that it would be such a disaster , disappointing all sides of the Political spectrum that they would be out of office within a year, possibly split and tgere could be a new Centre left party. In respect of BREXIT , they would not deliver on behalf of the working class..... total betrayal........ singing from the same songsheet.....m" pur jib is not to listen and understand tge plebs, our job is to tell you what to do, what to think and what is best for you" Imho of course Very true john , labours problem is the lack of credibility within the leadership. Corbyn , McDonald, abbot and co are as far from labours traditional values as is possible to get . The deselection of traditional labour MPs and the conduct of momentum is a throwback to the craziness of the 70s and 80s . Labour should have pissed the last election , corbyn will be hard pressed the convince the swing voters he is worthy of their trust particularly with all of his baggage that he carries Traditional as in Tony Blair or traditional as in Clem Attlee? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 22, 2018 19:46:03 GMT
You can't vote for an option that has not been discussed between the UK/EU. That has no details, that cannot be assumed to be on the same terms as pre Article 50, that has not been agreed by the 27 remaining member states. So of the 2 options we have the details, WTO or May, which do you want on another referendum? The option to remain and possibly cancel article 50 is with the court of sessions in Scotland with the advice being sought on a ruling from the European court the government have spent millions trying this going to the court for a ruling and have been ruled against all the way up to the supreme court in the uk. it is now up to the European court to rule if this can be stopped (article 50) so as of this moment it is an option So does the European Court of Justice have jurisdiction over a country's decision to implement an Article within a treaty to which it has signed up? |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 22, 2018 19:48:16 GMT
There won't be a no deal. May won't get her deal through Parliament. So that leaves; 1) Another Referendum (And why would anyone respect the result of a second referendum if they didn't respect the result of the first) 2) General Election (DUP props up Labour..if it saves the Union). You have zero chance of the DUP propping up a labour government lead by corbyn Really? Well that's not what my protestant friends are saying in Northern Ireland. The DUP are so concerned about May's deal giving Dublin more power over Northern Ireland that they are considering this..amongst other options. Putting it crudely they would prefer to stay in the tent (Union) pissing out than outside pissing in. |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 22, 2018 19:55:11 GMT
The option to remain and possibly cancel article 50 is with the court of sessions in Scotland with the advice being sought on a ruling from the European court the government have spent millions trying this going to the court for a ruling and have been ruled against all the way up to the supreme court in the uk. it is now up to the European court to rule if this can be stopped (article 50) so as of this moment it is an option So does the European Court of Justice have jurisdiction over a country's decision to implement an Article within a treaty to which it has signed up? Yes any matters patterning to the European unions articles and rules can be sent to the European court for adjudication and many things are from a variety of countries what the group including the Scottish government amongst others are trying to ascertain is if any country triggers article 50 then changes its mind can they revoke it and stay in under there existing rules/ membership. And before anyone says about a date being set for leaving to buy of the rebels the government excepted that a simple motion to amend the date could be put to amend the bill |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 22, 2018 20:00:58 GMT
So does the European Court of Justice have jurisdiction over a country's decision to implement an Article within a treaty to which it has signed up? Yes any matters patterning to the European unions articles and rules can be sent to the European court for adjudication and many things are from a variety of countries what the group including the Scottish government amongst others are trying to ascertain is if any country triggers article 50 then changes its mind can they revoke it and stay in under there existing rules/ membership. And before anyone says about a date being set for leaving to buy of the rebels the government excepted that a simple motion to amend the date could be put to amend the bill So you are basically saying that if any of the 28 countries decides to implement Article 50 the EU CT of Justice can override that decision and deem it invalid ...it are you saying that we would need the EU's " permission" ( for the want of a better word) to now say" we wish to withdraw Article 50"...I understand that a bit more |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 22, 2018 20:03:39 GMT
So even in private the CBI think it's a shit deal.
Embarrassing email leak.
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Post by pearo on Nov 22, 2018 20:04:39 GMT
Fine, May's deal or no deal? We've already dealt with in or out, now just the terms to be decided. I'd prefer no deal to May's. Which one you going for?third referendum with the option to stay in as we now know the true extent of the shambles that brexit is!! Brexit is only a shambles in the eyes of Remainers, when we leave with no deal we will have honoured the result of the second referendum. The first referendum we agreed, along with Denmark and Ireland to join the SIX countries that then formed the common market. At no time in the years that followed were we allowed to vote on whether to accept any of the EIGHTEEN countries that have since joined what has now become the EU, which in itself bears little resemblence to what the common market was when we joined. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 22, 2018 20:10:08 GMT
You have zero chance of the DUP propping up a labour government lead by corbyn Really? Well that's not what my protestant friends are saying in Northern Ireland. The DUP are so concerned about May's deal giving Dublin more power over Northern Ireland that they are considering this..amongst other options. Putting it crudely they would prefer to stay in the tent (Union) pissing out than outside pissing in. I agree with what you say in part 2 there Wizard .....but are you saying that there will be no deal based upon the nature and real intentions of the Government or for some other reason?.....I'm still hopeful that the Government have miscalculated in some way and they " inadvertently" end up with a " WTO deal" |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 22, 2018 20:12:30 GMT
A better use of the word " crash" by O'Flynn
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 22, 2018 20:17:36 GMT
You have zero chance of the DUP propping up a labour government lead by corbyn Really? Well that's not what my protestant friends are saying in Northern Ireland. The DUP are so concerned about May's deal giving Dublin more power over Northern Ireland that they are considering this..amongst other options. Putting it crudely they would prefer to stay in the tent (Union) pissing out than outside pissing in. So they will prop up a government where the leader believes and campaigned for a united Ireland And has attended memorials for the good old boys of the republican cause |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 22, 2018 20:19:05 GMT
Some in the German parliament understand what is going on.
I think almost everyone ( yes that many) who have taken an interest in BREXIT in this country also understand what is really happening , but want it to happen for different reasons
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