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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 22, 2018 8:07:46 GMT
I seem to hear this idea that " Downing Street is planning a market crash if their deal is voted down" from several sources. Is it believable?
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Post by 4372 on Nov 22, 2018 8:58:43 GMT
I have heard also that aliens will be landing within days if the May Deal is not voted through.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 22, 2018 9:02:35 GMT
It seems that this is clearly the next part of the Remain strategy.
Having a "deal" is a separate issue from leaving the EU, which is what the Referendum was about
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 22, 2018 9:30:38 GMT
I seem to hear this idea that " Downing Street is planning a market crash if their deal is voted down" from several sources. Is it believable? The so called TARP tactic. Used to pass the bank bailout legislation in the States. Government predicts doom and gloom if bill is voted down. It is voted down. Markets stage meltdown. Bill re-introduced amid 'I told you so' doom mongering and the legislation passes second time. |
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Post by 4372 on Nov 22, 2018 9:45:19 GMT
"Downing Street is planning a market crash".Lol. Do you ever read what you write?
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 22, 2018 9:51:00 GMT
I seem to hear this idea that " Downing Street is planning a market crash if their deal is voted down" from several sources. Is it believable? The irony of this is that according to reports from 'experts', the economy could shrink by £40 billion in the event of a 'no deal' How much is the divorce bill we pay for a shit deal??  |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 22, 2018 10:22:59 GMT
There won't be a no deal.
May won't get her deal through Parliament.
So that leaves;
1) Another Referendum
(And why would anyone respect the result of a second referendum if they didn't respect the result of the first)
2) General Election
(DUP props up Labour..if it saves the Union).
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Post by Davef on Nov 22, 2018 10:48:18 GMT
There won't be a no deal. May won't get her deal through Parliament. So that leaves; 1) Another Referendum (And why would anyone respect the result of a second referendum if they didn't respect the result of the first) 2) General Election (DUP props up Labour..if it saves the Union). If parliament rejects May's deal, then it's no deal. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 22, 2018 10:59:17 GMT
There won't be a no deal. May won't get her deal through Parliament. So that leaves; 1) Another Referendum (And why would anyone respect the result of a second referendum if they didn't respect the result of the first) 2) General Election (DUP props up Labour..if it saves the Union). You have zero chance of the DUP propping up a labour government lead by corbyn |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 22, 2018 11:04:46 GMT
There won't be a no deal. May won't get her deal through Parliament. So that leaves; 1) Another Referendum (And why would anyone respect the result of a second referendum if they didn't respect the result of the first) 2) General Election (DUP props up Labour..if it saves the Union). If parliament rejects May's deal, then it's no deal. Not if Article 50 is extended ( permitted by the Article if both parties agree) because we are in a ( deliberately constructed) crisis, state of confusion and uncertainty evidenced by the ( constructed) market crash. Then someone can propose that the only way forward is a Referendum or depending on how everything trsnspires, another election....intended end point is " we stay in". You are correct Dave in as much as- if a sufficient crash does not occur to support extending Article 50 then yes we leave with no deal...but personally, at the moment,I don't think that MPs will allow that to happen , simply because they don't want it. That's why it is important that there is a ' disaster" following the rejection of ' the deal'....to scare us to death...." Don't you dare to want to leave" I have likened this battle ( in some ways) to the issues around the second world war.... there really is an enormous, divisive and maybe nasty battle ahead |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 11:42:27 GMT
There won't be a no deal. May won't get her deal through Parliament. So that leaves; 1) Another Referendum (And why would anyone respect the result of a second referendum if they didn't respect the result of the first) 2) General Election (DUP props up Labour..if it saves the Union). If parliament rejects May's deal, then it's no deal. 😂 As if Its vote again.....while the people who voted Brexit are demoralised with the voting system and a lot too scared to admit they wanted a self governing nation, free from the clutches of a Brussels German run eu, as they'll only be branded Nazi scum for even thinking it |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 22, 2018 11:50:57 GMT
There won't be a no deal. May won't get her deal through Parliament. So that leaves; 1) Another Referendum (And why would anyone respect the result of a second Third referendum if they didn't respect the result of the first) 2) General Election (DUP props up Labour..if it saves the Union). As ive pointed out before people on the brexit side if they are so sure that this is the will of the people then why are they so scared of a referendum, oh perhaps its because they have released a book on how they lied to the electorate, and the tricks that they used to get the result they did and people have now seen the lies that their campaign was based around |
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 22, 2018 11:59:23 GMT
There won't be a no deal. May won't get her deal through Parliament. So that leaves; 1) Another Referendum (And why would anyone respect the result of a second Third referendum if they didn't respect the result of the first) 2) General Election (DUP props up Labour..if it saves the Union). As ive pointed out before people on the brexit side if they are so sure that this is the will of the people then why are they so scared of a referendum, oh perhaps its because they have released a book on how they lied to the electorate, and the tricks that they used to get the result they did and people have now seen the lies that their campaign was based around If remain won a second referendum then I would demand a third referendum because that would only be fair to all the electorate, don't you agree? |
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 22, 2018 12:10:12 GMT
As ive pointed out before people on the brexit side if they are so sure that this is the will of the people then why are they so scared of a referendum, oh perhaps its because they have released a book on how they lied to the electorate, and the tricks that they used to get the result they did and people have now seen the lies that their campaign was based around If remain won a second referendum then I would demand a third referendum because that would only be fair to all the electorate, don't you agree? Has to be doesn’t it...otherwise it just wouldn’t be fair. I suspect though if there was a second referendum and it went Remain’s way that would be the end of it. Country is screwed. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 22, 2018 12:21:28 GMT
If parliament rejects May's deal, then it's no deal. 😂 As if Its vote again.....while the people who voted Brexit are demoralised with the voting system and a lot too scared to admit they wanted a self governing nation, free from the clutches of a Brussels German run eu, as they'll only be branded Nazi scum for even thinking it As predicted. Bent as fuck. As it stands, I would take May's deal, especially if there are amendments, rather than give the whiners(many of whom couldn't be arsed to vote the first time) their way. And even that's a shit choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 12:26:14 GMT
As ive pointed out before people on the brexit side if they are so sure that this is the will of the people then why are they so scared of a referendum, oh perhaps its because they have released a book on how they lied to the electorate, and the tricks that they used to get the result they did and people have now seen the lies that their campaign was based around The original referendum was based on lies. The EU was always planned to morph into what it has now become. Those plans were in place before WW2. In 1975, people were asked to vote on joining a mere economic trade area. That's how it was sold the first time around. If the public had been told the true direction the EU was always intended to head, they would've rejected it I'm sure. Tony Benn was wise to this and campaigned against membership during that referendum. And then for the rest of his life. Hardly a right-wing populist... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 12:26:29 GMT
😂 As if Its vote again.....while the people who voted Brexit are demoralised with the voting system and a lot too scared to admit they wanted a self governing nation, free from the clutches of a Brussels German run eu, as they'll only be branded Nazi scum for even thinking it As predicted. Bent as fuck. As it stands, I would take May's deal, especially if there are amendments, rather than give the whiners(many of whom couldn't be arsed to vote the first time) their way. And even that's a shit choice. I wouldn't take it no matter what it means |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 22, 2018 12:32:36 GMT
The legal default of May's WA being voted down is No Deal and the No.10 soundbites about getting 'No Brexit' of the HoC 'stopping' No Deal are cobblers. Domestic UK legislation can't stop the EU's Article 50 Treaty bound in International Law. BUT and it's a big but, EU law could stop EU law. An emergency provision from Brussels for the State in question to pause or cancel their notice to leave. It's a big but because this then exposes the EU's non-negotiable once-things-are-set-motion-we-can't-stop-them nonsense. A second referendum is nonsense. The minimum time to satisfy the legal and political requirements is about 24 weeks putting that date past the 29th March when we 'leave' the EU either with the next stage agreed, May's WA, or No Deal. How long would it take to hold a second referendum on Brexit? - The Constitution Unit So all those Peoples Vote protesters rather wasted a day out in London. Plus a second referendum doesn't solve anything because Remain wouldn't accept another lose, Leave wouldn't need to accept a Remain win and we're not even voting on the "the deal". The negotiations on the actual deal only start next March. Extending Article 50 would again need EU co-operation and that could only be for about 6-7 weeks because the MEP elections kick in on 23rd May and if the UK isn't through the A50 period the UK MEP's could seek re-election which would complicate matters to say the least! Could there be an emergency extension to A50 AND a second ref? It's possible but they would literally need to start that process within the next week so that would need May and the EU to admit they were wrong in that Leave means Leave. If (when) May's WA get's voted down next month we're left with May's defeated proposal, No Deal looming, no time to accommodate a 2nd ref even if A50 was extended and even less time for the EU to come up with a pause treaty for A50. Domestically John McDonut calls for a vote in no confidence in the Government. Firstly, No.10 argue that the vote wasn't a confidence vote. Secondly, any Conservative MP voting against it's own Government in a confidence vote is automatically barred from standing for the Cons in the next General Election. Thirdly, the DUP say we will vote WITH the Conservatives in a confidence vote so the Cons stay in power but only if May walks and the next PM deletes the NI protocol from the WA. And if the EU don't like that we're back to No Deal again. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 22, 2018 12:34:49 GMT
As predicted. Bent as fuck. As it stands, I would take May's deal, especially if there are amendments, rather than give the whiners(many of whom couldn't be arsed to vote the first time) their way. And even that's a shit choice. I wouldn't take it no matter what it means Fair enough. I think it's been the biggest piss take in history. People voted out, and it's not allowed. I won't vote again, I will just sit back and laugh at the lot of them. |
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Post by maxplonk on Nov 22, 2018 13:44:19 GMT
Don't panic!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 13:46:45 GMT
I wouldn't take it no matter what it means Fair enough. I think it's been the biggest piss take in history. People voted out, and it's not allowed. I won't vote again, I will just sit back and laugh at the lot of them. Maybe that was a grand plan all along. To well and truly crush those who oppose the globalist agenda by demonstrating to them in the bluntest way possible that they’re powerless. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 22, 2018 14:24:01 GMT
Fair enough. I think it's been the biggest piss take in history. People voted out, and it's not allowed. I won't vote again, I will just sit back and laugh at the lot of them. Maybe that was a grand plan all along. To well and truly crush those who oppose the globalist agenda by demonstrating to them in the bluntest way possible that they’re powerless. Possibly. It's confirmed that the apathetic were right all along, hasn't it? And the one's who will be wanking over a second referendum don't see that they have been played. Get used to shit wages in shit jobs, and rents through the roof. Hope they will be happy with that. |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 22, 2018 15:21:33 GMT
As ive pointed out before people on the brexit side if they are so sure that this is the will of the people then why are they so scared of a referendum, oh perhaps its because they have released a book on how they lied to the electorate, and the tricks that they used to get the result they did and people have now seen the lies that their campaign was based around If remain won a second referendum then I would demand a third referendum because that would only be fair to all the electorate, don't you agree? So why not a third referendum now, as it stands its 1-1 don't you agree!! |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 22, 2018 15:25:38 GMT
If remain won a second referendum then I would demand a third referendum because that would only be fair to all the electorate, don't you agree? So why not a third referendum now, as it stands its 1-1 don't you agree!! Fine, May's deal or no deal? We've already dealt with in or out, now just the terms to be decided. I'd prefer no deal to May's. Which one you going for? |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 22, 2018 15:28:51 GMT
As predicted. Bent as fuck. As it stands, I would take May's deal, especially if there are amendments, rather than give the whiners(many of whom couldn't be arsed to vote the first time) their way. And even that's a shit choice. I wouldn't take it no matter what it means Again you are wrong we had already joined and the referendum was to stay in or leave!! As the brexiter have already admitted to lies, manipulation and are being investigated by the police for using foreign money to finance additional advertising etc don't you think that the referendum was flawed and should be re run ? well that's what you would have been demanding if the shoe was on the other foot!! hypocrisy in action!!! |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 22, 2018 15:33:38 GMT
So why not a third referendum now, as it stands its 1-1 don't you agree!! Fine, May's deal or no deal? We've already dealt with in or out, now just the terms to be decided. I'd prefer no deal to May's. Which one you going for?third referendum with the option to stay in as we now know the true extent of the shambles that brexit is!! |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 22, 2018 15:35:15 GMT
Anyone got any videos of this incidence - it sounds fucking hilarious
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 22, 2018 15:39:00 GMT
Fine, May's deal or no deal? We've already dealt with in or out, now just the terms to be decided. I'd prefer no deal to May's. Which one you going for?third referendum with the option to stay in as we now know the true extent of the shambles that brexit is!! You can't vote for an option that has not been discussed between the UK/EU. That has no details, that cannot be assumed to be on the same terms as pre Article 50, that has not been agreed by the 27 remaining member states. So of the 2 options we have the details, WTO or May, which do you want on another referendum? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 22, 2018 15:40:41 GMT
Round and round we go. Hillary Benn making his dad turn in his grave, now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 15:44:42 GMT
There won't be a no deal. May won't get her deal through Parliament. So that leaves; 1) Another Referendum (And why would anyone respect the result of a second Third referendum if they didn't respect the result of the first) 2) General Election (DUP props up Labour..if it saves the Union). As ive pointed out before people on the brexit side if they are so sure that this is the will of the people then why are they so scared of a referendum, oh perhaps its because they have released a book on how they lied to the electorate, and the tricks that they used to get the result they did and people have now seen the lies that their campaign was based around If/When we get this referendum on what we've already voted on ....again, and this time the people vote to be governed by an overseas power .....would you be happy for us to have another referendum 2 yrs after.....set out in a way that weaken your vote ? Don't answer as I don't like fucking lies |
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