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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 12:36:20 GMT
May is finished The Tory party is finished Brexit is also finished A Labour Government is on the way. Thanks mystic I missed those riots on the streets you predicted when the Tories won the general election all those years back. Oh...give us some lottery numbers......so I can avoid them 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 15, 2018 12:36:59 GMT
Well candidly they are. That's exactly why we have a system of elected representation in this country which has served us for centuries. All those blustering Brexit fools who told the British public that the EU needed us more than we needed them, and the deal would be the easiest in history and we'd get our money back. Then there's all those naive business leaders and hedge fund managers who thought the dispossessed of our industrial towns were voting with them for Britain to become a Singapore in the North Sea. We're losing power, influence and control. A bridge to nowhere. We're walking off a cliff in March  That’s about it. We have voted ourselves onto the precipice of an entirely avoidable abyss. *yay democracy* “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.” Bertrand Russell |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 12:45:28 GMT
That’s about it. We have voted ourselves onto the precipice of an entirely avoidable abyss. *yay democracy* “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.” Bertrand Russell "At various points in his life, Russell considered himself a liberal, a socialist and a pacifist, but he also admitted that he had "never been any of these things" He later changed his name to Mavis Riley 🤣🤣 |
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Post by M on Nov 15, 2018 12:50:19 GMT
And then the whole country is finished. Be interested to see what their plans for Brexit are. Virtually staying in, probably. Wonder if free movement would feature at all? As a Labour voter though I'm not certain on what their policy around Brexit is. That said, the membership made it very clear at the last Labour Party conference that unanimously they expect the option of a referendum should be available on the result (but they would prefer a GE obviously because blood is smelt). I know Corbyn publicly supported remain but I still very much think he's against it but just following the party membership line which I suppose is what he must do with him being a big champion over democracy etc. I think Labour have just simply adopted the position of letting the Tories rip themselves apart over it. I too see a hung parliament but this time with Labour edging it and being the first to get a chance of forming a government no doubt with the SNP, Greens (minimal I know) and possibly the Lib Dems. I still don't think it will happen though (Brexit). I think project fear has returned due to the incompetency of the Tories in it. People are now genuinely worried not because of the concept of leaving, but because how badly it has been done. The fact we had the Brexit secretary basically say he underestimated the importance of Dover just really emphasises project fear, Like I've said countless times it all falls on Cameron and that government. The fact they offered the referendum in their manifesto should have seen all of these impact studies done and published in advance and then we wouldn't have had two years of arguing over it so we could concentrate on everything else that is going tits up with our country. If there is a 'peoples vote' I'd expect a very different outcome. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 15, 2018 13:00:04 GMT
Be interested to see what their plans for Brexit are. Virtually staying in, probably. Wonder if free movement would feature at all? As a Labour voter though I'm not certain on what their policy around Brexit is. That said, the membership made it very clear at the last Labour Party conference that unanimously they expect the option of a referendum should be available on the result (but they would prefer a GE obviously because blood is smelt). I know Corbyn publicly supported remain but I still very much think he's against it but just following the party membership line which I suppose is what he must do with him being a big champion over democracy etc. I think Labour have just simply adopted the position of letting the Tories rip themselves apart over it. I too see a hung parliament but this time with Labour edging it and being the first to get a chance of forming a government no doubt with the SNP, Greens (minimal I know) and possibly the Lib Dems. I still don't think it will happen though (Brexit). I think project fear has returned due to the incompetency of the Tories in it. People are now genuinely worried not because of the concept of leaving, but because how badly it has been done. The fact we had the Brexit secretary basically say he underestimated the importance of Dover just really emphasises project fear, Like I've said countless times it all falls on Cameron and that government. The fact they offered the referendum in their manifesto should have seen all of these impact studies done and published in advance and then we wouldn't have had two years of arguing over it so we could concentrate on everything else that is going tits up with our country. If there is a 'peoples vote' I'd expect a very different outcome. It also falls on MPs from all parties who haven’t listened to people's genuine concerns over levels of immigration,including Jezza himself, who failed to heed warnings about this from John Mann. I am against a second vote, for reasons I have outlined earlier. It's letting MPs off the hook. |
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Post by M on Nov 15, 2018 13:06:36 GMT
As a Labour voter though I'm not certain on what their policy around Brexit is. That said, the membership made it very clear at the last Labour Party conference that unanimously they expect the option of a referendum should be available on the result (but they would prefer a GE obviously because blood is smelt). I know Corbyn publicly supported remain but I still very much think he's against it but just following the party membership line which I suppose is what he must do with him being a big champion over democracy etc. I think Labour have just simply adopted the position of letting the Tories rip themselves apart over it. I too see a hung parliament but this time with Labour edging it and being the first to get a chance of forming a government no doubt with the SNP, Greens (minimal I know) and possibly the Lib Dems. I still don't think it will happen though (Brexit). I think project fear has returned due to the incompetency of the Tories in it. People are now genuinely worried not because of the concept of leaving, but because how badly it has been done. The fact we had the Brexit secretary basically say he underestimated the importance of Dover just really emphasises project fear, Like I've said countless times it all falls on Cameron and that government. The fact they offered the referendum in their manifesto should have seen all of these impact studies done and published in advance and then we wouldn't have had two years of arguing over it so we could concentrate on everything else that is going tits up with our country. If there is a 'peoples vote' I'd expect a very different outcome. It also falls on MPs from all parties who haven’t listened to people's genuine concerns over levels of immigration,including Jezza himself, who failed to heed warnings about this from John Mann. I am against a second vote, for reasons I have outlined earlier. It's letting MPs off the hook. I get that but that blame doesn't end there (which I accept) but where was the positive argument for migration? The fact that it's been evidenced that EU nationals make a positive contribution towards the economy. About the fact the NHS is functioning thanks to EU migrants coming over to work in it (especially when the current government has made it harder for UK residents to train by removing bursaries and increasing fees etc). The fact that a lot of businesses rely on low skilled EU nationals because Brits just don't want to do the work (words given to me by the HR director of the largest chicken manufacturing producer in the country) The reality is Brexit was positioned entirely about immigration and when you have many (appreciate not all) who form an opinion based on what they are told as they don't actively research themselves it's no surprise. But that's just my opinion obviously. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 15, 2018 13:09:16 GMT
No confidence letter is going in...
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Post by yeokel on Nov 15, 2018 13:13:24 GMT
Be interested to see what their plans for Brexit are. Virtually staying in, probably. Wonder if free movement would feature at all? As a Labour voter though I'm not certain on what their policy around Brexit is. That said, the membership made it very clear at the last Labour Party conference that unanimously they expect the option of a referendum should be available on the result (but they would prefer a GE obviously because blood is smelt). I know Corbyn publicly supported remain but I still very much think he's against it but just following the party membership line which I suppose is what he must do with him being a big champion over democracy etc. I think Labour have just simply adopted the position of letting the Tories rip themselves apart over it. I too see a hung parliament but this time with Labour edging it and being the first to get a chance of forming a government no doubt with the SNP, Greens (minimal I know) and possibly the Lib Dems. I still don't think it will happen though (Brexit). I think project fear has returned due to the incompetency of the Tories in it. People are now genuinely worried not because of the concept of leaving, but because how badly it has been done. The fact we had the Brexit secretary basically say he underestimated the importance of Dover just really emphasises project fear, Like I've said countless times it all falls on Cameron and that government. The fact they offered the referendum in their manifesto should have seen all of these impact studies done and published in advance and then we wouldn't have had two years of arguing over it so we could concentrate on everything else that is going tits up with our country. If there is a 'peoples vote' I'd expect a very different outcome. Good post. And one particular nail hit firmly on the head – “… I know Corbyn publicly supported remain but I still very much think he's against it but just following the party membership line“ and therein lies his problem, he is a follower not a leader, he is a protest voter not a solution provider and he is a divisive force not a unifying force. The sooner Labour is rid of Corbyn, the sooner they may be able to form an effective opposition or, dare I say it, a government. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 15, 2018 13:24:21 GMT
It also falls on MPs from all parties who haven’t listened to people's genuine concerns over levels of immigration,including Jezza himself, who failed to heed warnings about this from John Mann. I am against a second vote, for reasons I have outlined earlier. It's letting MPs off the hook. I get that but that blame doesn't end there (which I accept) but where was the positive argument for migration? The fact that it's been evidenced that EU nationals make a positive contribution towards the economy. About the fact the NHS is functioning thanks to EU migrants coming over to work in it (especially when the current government has made it harder for UK residents to train by removing bursaries and increasing fees etc). The fact that a lot of businesses rely on low skilled EU nationals because Brits just don't want to do the work (words given to me by the HR director of the largest chicken manufacturing producer in the country) The reality is Brexit was positioned entirely about immigration and when you have many (appreciate not all) who form an opinion based on what they are told as they don't actively research themselves it's no surprise. But that's just my opinion obviously. Are all their benefits taken into account, though? I appreciate most of them work, so perhaps in terms of Jobseekers Allowance, or whatever they call it now, you are right. But I know Child Services budgets are under strain, mostly because of an influx of children from abroad. Surely this applies to other services? Also, people who refuse to do these jobs don't live 8 to a house, so can't afford to do a minimum wage job. I use that as an example because I worked with Romanians who did that. Fair point about the bursaries. Didn't understand that policy at all. |
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Post by M on Nov 15, 2018 13:38:09 GMT
I get that but that blame doesn't end there (which I accept) but where was the positive argument for migration? The fact that it's been evidenced that EU nationals make a positive contribution towards the economy. About the fact the NHS is functioning thanks to EU migrants coming over to work in it (especially when the current government has made it harder for UK residents to train by removing bursaries and increasing fees etc). The fact that a lot of businesses rely on low skilled EU nationals because Brits just don't want to do the work (words given to me by the HR director of the largest chicken manufacturing producer in the country) The reality is Brexit was positioned entirely about immigration and when you have many (appreciate not all) who form an opinion based on what they are told as they don't actively research themselves it's no surprise. But that's just my opinion obviously. Are all their benefits taken into account, though? I appreciate most of them work, so perhaps in terms of Jobseekers Allowance, or whatever they call it now, you are right. But I know Child Services budgets are under strain, mostly because of an influx of children from abroad. Surely this applies to other services? Also, people who refuse to do these jobs don't live 8 to a house, so can't afford to do a minimum wage job. I use that as an example because I worked with Romanians who did that. Fair point about the bursaries. Didn't understand that policy at all. Thing is I'm one of those firmly in the camp that the majority of the population pre Cameron announcing the referendum gave no fucks about it because the majority of our problems are entirely domestic policy. It just stinks of distraction tactics whilst the last three years has seen what I understand is more public assets sold than in the history of this country. Assets that were actually revenue generators for us taxpayers. But that's just me I guess... |
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Post by M on Nov 15, 2018 13:42:10 GMT
As a Labour voter though I'm not certain on what their policy around Brexit is. That said, the membership made it very clear at the last Labour Party conference that unanimously they expect the option of a referendum should be available on the result (but they would prefer a GE obviously because blood is smelt). I know Corbyn publicly supported remain but I still very much think he's against it but just following the party membership line which I suppose is what he must do with him being a big champion over democracy etc. I think Labour have just simply adopted the position of letting the Tories rip themselves apart over it. I too see a hung parliament but this time with Labour edging it and being the first to get a chance of forming a government no doubt with the SNP, Greens (minimal I know) and possibly the Lib Dems. I still don't think it will happen though (Brexit). I think project fear has returned due to the incompetency of the Tories in it. People are now genuinely worried not because of the concept of leaving, but because how badly it has been done. The fact we had the Brexit secretary basically say he underestimated the importance of Dover just really emphasises project fear, Like I've said countless times it all falls on Cameron and that government. The fact they offered the referendum in their manifesto should have seen all of these impact studies done and published in advance and then we wouldn't have had two years of arguing over it so we could concentrate on everything else that is going tits up with our country. If there is a 'peoples vote' I'd expect a very different outcome. Good post. And one particular nail hit firmly on the head – “… I know Corbyn publicly supported remain but I still very much think he's against it but just following the party membership line“ and therein lies his problem, he is a follower not a leader, he is a protest voter not a solution provider and he is a divisive force not a unifying force. The sooner Labour is rid of Corbyn, the sooner they may be able to form an effective opposition or, dare I say it, a government. I disagree but we are all entitled to opinions. His opinion is his opinion though. His opinion on trident was it should go but the majority of his party disagreed. He didn't force it on them and followed the line of the majority and gave them all the vote to decide. If he'd have forced his will I'm sure he would have still been criticised for doing the opposite to what you say. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some who just don't like him. The reality though is he respected greatly by the membership so much so he's seen the two biggest leader majorities any Labour leader has ever had so only his mortal coil will take him down. Two years ago he "couldn't lead" and now he's very close to actually leading... |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 15, 2018 13:50:03 GMT
May is finished The Tory party is finished Brexit is also finished A Labour Government is on the way. Thanks mystic I missed those riots on the streets you predicted when the Tories won the general election all those years back. Oh...give us some lottery numbers......so I can avoid them 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Don't forget the coalition won't last 6 weeks  The good news is that now Huddy has called it at least Brexit will definitely happen now  |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 15, 2018 13:50:44 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 15, 2018 13:56:07 GMT
If he doesn't put himself forward for the leadership, then he continues his fine tradition of shithousing on his Prime Minister while not offering a single practical solution. Him and his like are the biggest obstacle to Brexit at the moment. This is the Northern Ireland suggestion from Rees-Mogg's European Research Group The Border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland post-Brexit Rees-Mogg also supports the Plan A+ proposed by Brexiteer's. He's also spoken at length re: No Deal and WTO. You're welcome. All published in September 2018 - what's he been doing for the rest of the Brexit process? Throwing hurdles in the way to ensure Brexit is as problematic as possible, in the hope that May is the one who takes the blame for the negative consequences in the immediate aftermath of Brexit (the difficult days he told us were coming) and all the ills can be blamed on her (and not him). As much as I don't like May, it must be unbearable working with the bunch of self-serving, parasitic cowardice cunts that currently make up her party. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 15, 2018 14:02:34 GMT
All published in September 2018 - what's he been doing for the rest of the Brexit process? Throwing hurdles in the way to ensure Brexit is as problematic as possible, in the hope that May is the one who takes the blame for the negative consequences in the immediate aftermath of Brexit (the difficult days he told us were coming) and all the ills can be blamed on her (and not him). As much as I don't like May, it must be unbearable working with the bunch of self-serving, parasitic cowardice cunts that currently make up her party. The same applies to Labour, though. What a shambles! |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 15, 2018 14:14:33 GMT
All published in September 2018 - what's he been doing for the rest of the Brexit process? Throwing hurdles in the way to ensure Brexit is as problematic as possible, in the hope that May is the one who takes the blame for the negative consequences in the immediate aftermath of Brexit (the difficult days he told us were coming) and all the ills can be blamed on her (and not him). As much as I don't like May, it must be unbearable working with the bunch of self-serving, parasitic cowardice cunts that currently make up her party. What's Starmer and Corbyn been doing? Where's your plan? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 15, 2018 14:14:38 GMT
People's Vote cunt in the background again, on Sky. Fucking hell fire, really subtle from Sky, isn't it?
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Post by yeokel on Nov 15, 2018 14:14:54 GMT
This is something of a mercy killing of her. She cannot possibly be enjoying what she is going through, is clearly out of her depth and could be secretly hoping that there are sufficient letters to force a leadership competition so that she can be free of all this shite. Sadly, we, of course, will still be stuck with it. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 15, 2018 14:16:12 GMT
All published in September 2018 - what's he been doing for the rest of the Brexit process? Throwing hurdles in the way to ensure Brexit is as problematic as possible, in the hope that May is the one who takes the blame for the negative consequences in the immediate aftermath of Brexit (the difficult days he told us were coming) and all the ills can be blamed on her (and not him). As much as I don't like May, it must be unbearable working with the bunch of self-serving, parasitic cowardice cunts that currently make up her party. What's Starmer and Corbyn been doing? Where's your plan? Waiting for the People's Vote to decide it for them, like the rest of the gutless bastards. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 15, 2018 14:18:06 GMT
Well candidly they are. That's exactly why we have a system of elected representation in this country which has served us for centuries. All those blustering Brexit fools who told the British public that the EU needed us more than we needed them, and the deal would be the easiest in history and we'd get our money back. Then there's all those naive business leaders and hedge fund managers who thought the dispossessed of our industrial towns were voting with them for Britain to become a Singapore in the North Sea. We're losing power, influence and control. A bridge to nowhere. We're walking off a cliff in March That’s about it. We have voted ourselves onto the precipice of an entirely avoidable abyss. *yay democracy* I take it you're against a second referendum, then? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 15, 2018 14:18:25 GMT
All published in September 2018 - what's he been doing for the rest of the Brexit process? Throwing hurdles in the way to ensure Brexit is as problematic as possible, in the hope that May is the one who takes the blame for the negative consequences in the immediate aftermath of Brexit (the difficult days he told us were coming) and all the ills can be blamed on her (and not him). As much as I don't like May, it must be unbearable working with the bunch of self-serving, parasitic cowardice cunts that currently make up her party. Yes all planned to coincide with May's big reveal which became the steaming turd of Chequers after the realisation that Oily Robbins had been instructed to negotiate a completely different Brexit plan behind elected Ministers backs for the previous year. So yes, it is her fault. But which date would you have preferred for it to be published on? What's your point? Actually don't bother to answer. You don't have a point. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 15, 2018 14:19:20 GMT
All published in September 2018 - what's he been doing for the rest of the Brexit process? Throwing hurdles in the way to ensure Brexit is as problematic as possible, in the hope that May is the one who takes the blame for the negative consequences in the immediate aftermath of Brexit (the difficult days he told us were coming) and all the ills can be blamed on her (and not him). As much as I don't like May, it must be unbearable working with the bunch of self-serving, parasitic cowardice cunts that currently make up her party. What's Starmer and Corbyn been doing? Where's your plan? My plan is to sit and watch the shitshow from the side line. As I didn't vote for any of this, didn't vote for a Tory government, haven't been handing letters into the 1922 Committee, and am not in a position of power, I reckon I don't need to have a plan. You may not have noticed, but Starmer and Corbyn are on the OPPOSITION - Rees-Mogg is in the governing party. One is expected to challenge the government, the other is supposed to support the government by coming up with good ideas or, god forbid, offering to lead the government if they think they can do a better job. Now, who do you think has been doing the better job given their actual roles in the system? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 15, 2018 14:21:44 GMT
All published in September 2018 - what's he been doing for the rest of the Brexit process? Throwing hurdles in the way to ensure Brexit is as problematic as possible, in the hope that May is the one who takes the blame for the negative consequences in the immediate aftermath of Brexit (the difficult days he told us were coming) and all the ills can be blamed on her (and not him). As much as I don't like May, it must be unbearable working with the bunch of self-serving, parasitic cowardice cunts that currently make up her party. Yes all planned to coincide with May's big reveal which became the steaming turd of Chequers after the realisation that Oily Robbins had been instructed to negotiate a completely different Brexit plan behind elected Ministers backs for the previous year. So yes, it is her fault. But which date would you have preferred for it to be published on? What's your point? Actually don't bother to answer. You don't have a point. They could've published it towards the beginning of the negotiating period - so it might actually have an affect. Although much easier to publish it at the end, and do a bit of grand-stand virtue signalling at how clever and sophisticated you are. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 15, 2018 14:24:06 GMT
May is finished The Tory party is finished Brexit is also finished A Labour Government is on the way. It will be a hung parliament with no overall majority, nobody in their right mind would vote for Corbyn, Abbott McDonnell etc. It may well be a hung Parliament but 13 Million people voted for Labour 18 months ago. What a disgraceful way to talk about people exercising their democratic right and voting in massive numbers for something they believed in.  What a disgraceful way to talk about a percentage of the vote that was bigger than any Labour Leader since 2001 and any Tory leader since 1992! Change is coming comrades! |
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Post by M on Nov 15, 2018 14:24:16 GMT
All published in September 2018 - what's he been doing for the rest of the Brexit process? Throwing hurdles in the way to ensure Brexit is as problematic as possible, in the hope that May is the one who takes the blame for the negative consequences in the immediate aftermath of Brexit (the difficult days he told us were coming) and all the ills can be blamed on her (and not him). As much as I don't like May, it must be unbearable working with the bunch of self-serving, parasitic cowardice cunts that currently make up her party. What's Starmer and Corbyn been doing? Where's your plan? I didn't realise they were directly involved? They set them their expectations from Brexit that May said she could achieve. If she achieved them Labour wouldn't vote them down. They aren't achieving them though so they will. So stop trying to find excuses. The fault is purely down to government. Nobody else. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 15, 2018 14:24:44 GMT
What's Starmer and Corbyn been doing? Where's your plan? My plan is to sit and watch the shitshow from the side line. As I didn't vote for any of this, didn't vote for a Tory government, haven't been handing letters into the 1922 Committee, and am not in a position of power, I reckon I don't need to have a plan. You may not have noticed, but Starmer and Corbyn are on the OPPOSITION - Rees-Mogg is in the governing party. One is expected to challenge the government, the other is supposed to support the government by coming up with good ideas or, god forbid, offering to lead the government if they think they can do a better job. Now, who do you think has been doing the better job given their actual roles in the system? What are the opposition actually challenging the Government with? There's ZERO plan from Labour. They can't even agree a direction for Brexit never mind write it down. That's not positive, challenging opposition that might swing some undecided voters. That's not clear leadership that might appeal to the EU. That's sitting around with their thumb up their arses which is like you by the sounds of it. |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 15, 2018 14:25:04 GMT
All published in September 2018 - what's he been doing for the rest of the Brexit process? Throwing hurdles in the way to ensure Brexit is as problematic as possible, in the hope that May is the one who takes the blame for the negative consequences in the immediate aftermath of Brexit (the difficult days he told us were coming) and all the ills can be blamed on her (and not him). As much as I don't like May, it must be unbearable working with the bunch of self-serving, parasitic cowardice cunts that currently make up her party. What's Starmer and Corbyn been doing? Where's your plan? Labour are so confused they will vote against thil plan even that is basically the what that their plan is  |
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Post by yeokel on Nov 15, 2018 14:25:32 GMT
Good post. And one particular nail hit firmly on the head – “… I know Corbyn publicly supported remain but I still very much think he's against it but just following the party membership line“ and therein lies his problem, he is a follower not a leader, he is a protest voter not a solution provider and he is a divisive force not a unifying force. The sooner Labour is rid of Corbyn, the sooner they may be able to form an effective opposition or, dare I say it, a government. I disagree but we are all entitled to opinions. His opinion is his opinion though. His opinion on trident was it should go but the majority of his party disagreed. He didn't force it on them and followed the line of the majority and gave them all the vote to decide. If he'd have forced his will I'm sure he would have still been criticised for doing the opposite to what you say. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some who just don't like him. The reality though is he respected greatly by the membership so much so he's seen the two biggest leader majorities any Labour leader has ever had so only his mortal coil will take him down. Two years ago he "couldn't lead" and now he's very close to actually leading... As you’ve said, we are all entitled to opinions. I stand by the statement that Corbyn is a protest voter and not a solution provider. (there is nothing wrong with that, all governments, committees and other bodies of power need critics to ‘keep them honest’) If, on the other hand, Corbyn is a ‘leader’ as you seem to be suggesting, then he is currently leading the wrong party. As you began to point out, he is frequently at odds with most Labour MPs, is out of touch with Labour’s traditional heartlands and relies on a bunch of kids and left wing loonies to keep him in position. If he is a leader, he needs to be the leader of a more left wing party than the Labour party has traditionally been. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 15, 2018 14:26:07 GMT
Yes all planned to coincide with May's big reveal which became the steaming turd of Chequers after the realisation that Oily Robbins had been instructed to negotiate a completely different Brexit plan behind elected Ministers backs for the previous year. So yes, it is her fault. But which date would you have preferred for it to be published on? What's your point? Actually don't bother to answer. You don't have a point. They could've published it towards the beginning of the negotiating period - so it might actually have an affect. Although much easier to publish it at the end, and do a bit of grand-stand virtue signalling at how clever and sophisticated you are. The negotiating period starts next March Champ |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 15, 2018 14:26:40 GMT
I prefer Henry Nice But Dim's more succinct letter to Lord Snooty's |
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