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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2018 9:42:25 GMT
I can refer to an anger management therapist if you would like? My clients say she is very good. But with a blind vote, leave voters put their total faith in politicians to produce a deal of sorts and the deal they have come up with is not what leave voters perhaps thought they were voting for. Leave voters had to have known this was very likely when they went to the ballot box though, so I don’t see how there can be complaints now. After all, the fact remains that all leave voters voted for was to leave the EU. At the moment, the PM is doing precisely that as we will cease to be a member on 30 March 2019. There has to be another vote because i get the impression that the majority of the country does not want this deal, whether you voted leave or remain. What an awful mess. Signed up for the EU Army yet? Or you waiting to be conscripted? It doesn’t exist. |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 15, 2018 9:42:35 GMT
I think most of us thought there'd be a bit of paperwork involved, I doubt many thought that when we'd left we'd have to enter a new union (because thats what it is), of which we'd have no way of leaving, where we'd hand over new powers to the EU (including on tax) and we'd go from little influence to absolutely none. Even those who voted remain must see that this is perhaps the worst "deal" ever negotiated. May of us predicted that the only problem with Brexit would be the idiot politicians trusted to deliver it, which they never will. As leaving a club, but then just calling the club a new name, in my eyes really means you never left. I agree it's a terrible deal. Being part of a customs union and having less say was always a risk of leaving, and one pointed out by many remain voters (admittedly not me) at the time. For this transition period at least, it appears that's going to be the case (if this deal gets passed, which seems unlikely). Many prominent Leave campaigners were very clear in telling us that we would have to put up with some dark days before the sunny days of sovereignty, freedom and all the rest - was it 50 years that Rees-Mogg said? I don't see why those same people now appear to be the ones shitting their pants when the terms of the dark days are becoming clear. Except the customs union only comes into play if there is no agreed solution to the NI backstop before the end of the transition period. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2018 9:46:17 GMT
Terrible deal vs no deal Brexit. It's bizarre that the govt is so committed to sticking with the results of a referendum conducted with little or no or distorted information, that resulted in a tiny majority. A second referendum based on the *actual* results of what Brexit would entail would seem to make much more sense. You can call in 'democracy in action' if you like. Lets pretend that this is a sensible idea, and if a further referendum were had to get the right result, it resulted in a 52-48 vote to remain. What happens then, do we have a best of 3? No, we were told this was a once in a generation vote, and if we look at history theres not another one due for forty odd years. All of this was predicted in the leaflet that the government spent millions of pounds posting through everyones letterbox. Anyone who didn't understand what they were voting for us a fecking idiot, and the people who say this are generally remoaners who want another referendum. You knew you were voting for this withdrawal agreement then? You must one of very few people delighted with May and her negotiations so far. As you know what you voted for, would you mind explaining the future trading arrangements that negotiations have yet to start on? It would save the economy and the government an awful lot of time and money. Thanks. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 15, 2018 9:48:02 GMT
David Davies couldn't accept Mays plan.
Dominic Raab can't accept her plan.
Shes lost 21 ministers since the Referendum.
She called an election when she didn't need to.
She lost her majority.
She's turning us into a Vassel State
And she's still Prime Minister.
The EU has taken back control.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 15, 2018 9:49:18 GMT
I agree it's a terrible deal. Being part of a customs union and having less say was always a risk of leaving, and one pointed out by many remain voters (admittedly not me) at the time. For this transition period at least, it appears that's going to be the case (if this deal gets passed, which seems unlikely). Many prominent Leave campaigners were very clear in telling us that we would have to put up with some dark days before the sunny days of sovereignty, freedom and all the rest - was it 50 years that Rees-Mogg said? I don't see why those same people now appear to be the ones shitting their pants when the terms of the dark days are becoming clear. Except the customs union only comes into play if there is no agreed solution to the NI backstop before the end of the transition period. There's a lot of detail on a backstop it doesn't intend to use mate! I'm starting to think this won't even go to a vote now. Even the most befuddled of turkeys don't tend to vote for Christmas! |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 15, 2018 9:49:51 GMT
Corbyn: Right we're in full election mode. Kier pass me our Brexit policy. Starmer: What policy? Corbyn: We must have something? Starmer: No, we all agreed to snipe at May, that's it. Corbyn: Oh yeah, knock something up for me by 10.30 for PMQ's then. Unfair Labour policy is they will only back a brexit deal that is better than the current EU deal (a test their own mps call bollocks) all remain mps and the eu say this is not possible so that means remain so Corbyn retains the youth vote attracted by the manifesto that EU rules on state aid etc will not allow to be implemented  So Labour policy is basically oh fcuk I hope we can just shout rubbish at any deal and not actually be responsible for implementing it. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 15, 2018 9:51:19 GMT
Shailesh Vara resigns. Junior NI Minister. He voted Remain but genuinely respected the vote.
He said "we have to look at ourselves in the mirror and whatever this is [May's deal] it isn't Leaving"
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 15, 2018 9:57:28 GMT
Am I hearing from our resident Tory Boys that this colossal fuck up is Labour's fault. Priceless!
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Post by maxplonk on Nov 15, 2018 9:57:32 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 15, 2018 9:59:13 GMT
Not quite I voted to screw the smug European bastards into the dirt That wasn’t on my ballot paper. You voted blindly and put total faith in our politicians by doing so. Now some leave voters are complaining about the outcome! What did you expect!? Surely all leave voters who are upset should be chomping at the bit for a second vote with specific options they can vote for. We don’t need a second vote what we need is someone with the conviction and balls to deliver the original vote If by any chance there was a second vote if I was a remainer I would be shit scared When the Eu points out to rejoin there would be no rebate we would have to adopt the euro and the Merkel interviewes about the Eu army There would be a much higher leave vote And before you say we wouldn’t have to rejoin at the end of March we will have left regardless of a deal |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 15, 2018 10:02:38 GMT
McVey resigns.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 15, 2018 10:03:25 GMT
You're entitled to your view and none vote I didn't vote because I didn't know what I was voting for and that seems to be very obviously the case now. So why didn't you vote 'Remain' instead of ducking out of the issue? After all, Remainers knew exactly what they were voting for according to the likes of Oggy, and that was for things to stay exactly as they were. But what you are really saying is that you couldn't be bothered to stand by your beliefs. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 15, 2018 10:04:31 GMT
McVey gone now.
May's statemet should be err interesting!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 15, 2018 10:05:38 GMT
It's quite devastating to watch the Tory Party tear itself apart..all those years of austerity..all those cuts to public services..
What goes around comes around.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2018 10:05:55 GMT
That wasn’t on my ballot paper. You voted blindly and put total faith in our politicians by doing so. Now some leave voters are complaining about the outcome! What did you expect!? Surely all leave voters who are upset should be chomping at the bit for a second vote with specific options they can vote for. We don’t need a second vote what we need is someone with the conviction and balls to deliver the original vote If by any chance there was a second vote if I was a remainer I would be shit scared When the Eu points out to rejoin there would be no rebate we would have to adopt the euro and the Merkel interviewes about the Eu army There would be a much higher leave vote And before you say we wouldn’t have to rejoin at the end of March we will have left regardless of a deal May is delivering on the vote. All the vote was for was to serve notice to leave under article 50. That was it. That’s been done. The referendum result has been implemented entirely on 30 march. Leave may win a second vote, but shouldn’t we be able to direct the terms of leaving considering how unhappy you all are. McVey gone. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2018 10:09:45 GMT
May has to either resign or change the deal. It would be suicide to hold the parliamentary vote when she knows it will fail.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 15, 2018 10:10:14 GMT
Signed up for the EU Army yet? Or you waiting to be conscripted? It doesn’t exist. I know you've been keeping your head down for the last few days but you know full well that the building blocks are in place and you've no doubt watched the link where Frau Merkel specifically mentions the EU Army. Or do you avoid the truth if it goes against what you want to believe? |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 15, 2018 10:11:16 GMT
There was a bill earlier to install EU law into uk law such as rights etc. This meant that half the deal was already done. A no deal Brexit is better than a shit deal and it may turn out to be our best option.
The eu negotiations have gone for blood. We should have walked away from the table.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2018 10:12:11 GMT
I didn't vote because I didn't know what I was voting for and that seems to be very obviously the case now. So why didn't you vote 'Remain' instead of ducking out of the issue? After all, Remainers knew exactly what they were voting for according to the likes of Oggy, and that was for things to stay exactly as they were. But what you are really saying is that you couldn't be bothered to stand by your beliefs. If you don’t know how the eu works and passes laws then you don’t know what the remain vote was for. I do, so I did know what it was for. The status quo. The current way of operating to continue. That’s doesn’t mean i know the future. It does mean i know what the current systems in place are. The same, quite demonstratively, cannot be said of the leave vote |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2018 10:12:52 GMT
I know you've been keeping your head down for the last few days but you know full well that the building blocks are in place and you've no doubt watched the link where Frau Merkel specifically mentions the EU Army. Or do you avoid the truth if it goes against what you want to believe? We are leaving the eu. And why is it different to nato? |
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Post by yeokel on Nov 15, 2018 10:14:17 GMT
I know you've been keeping your head down for the last few days but you know full well that the building blocks are in place and you've no doubt watched the link where Frau Merkel specifically mentions the EU Army. Or do you avoid the truth if it goes against what you want to believe? We are leaving the eu. And why is it different to nato? You don't understand the difference between the EU and NATO? Really? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 15, 2018 10:17:28 GMT
Misses the point entirely. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 15, 2018 10:17:51 GMT
I think Mordaunt will go if May doesn't declare a free vote over deal.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 15, 2018 10:19:52 GMT
Suella Braverman resigns.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2018 10:19:52 GMT
We are leaving the eu. And why is it different to nato? You don't understand the difference between the EU and NATO? Really? The proposed EU army and Nato. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 15, 2018 10:21:33 GMT
So why didn't you vote 'Remain' instead of ducking out of the issue? After all, Remainers knew exactly what they were voting for according to the likes of Oggy, and that was for things to stay exactly as they were. But what you are really saying is that you couldn't be bothered to stand by your beliefs. If you don’t know how the eu works and passes laws then you don’t know what the remain vote was for. I do, so I did know what it was for. The status quo. The current way of operating to continue. That’s doesn’t mean i know the future. It does mean i know what the current systems in place are. The same, quite demonstratively, cannot be said of the leave vote Anyone who understood the issues knew that Northern Ireland would be the sticking point. I remember saying it before the Referendum. Even politicians who voted leave didn't understand the significance or pretended not to. So for the hard of thinking..There can be no hard border on the Island of Ireland and that means some form of customs arrangement and that means some form of common rule book and that means the EU has the right to tell us the terms and how long we stay in for. Either way the EU takes back control. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 15, 2018 10:21:51 GMT
Suella Braverman resigns. That's not a real name. I'm not having it. Are people just making up names of ministers that have resigned now? |
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Post by yeokel on Nov 15, 2018 10:25:21 GMT
You don't understand the difference between the EU and NATO? Really? and Nato. Ah, so you now accept that there is a "proposed EU army"? We're making progress. On such a busy morning I really couldn't spare the time to give you a full answer about the differences between NATA and the proposed EU army led by the Germans, but I'll try to get back to you later. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 15, 2018 10:26:50 GMT
There was a bill earlier to install EU law into uk law such as rights etc. This meant that half the deal was already done. A no deal Brexit is better than a shit deal and it may turn out to be our best option. The eu negotiations have gone for blood. We should have walked away from the table. A no deal Brexit does not deal with the Irish Border. It completely ignores it. A no deal is the worst possible option. Pure fantasy |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 15, 2018 10:28:50 GMT
Suella Braverman resigns. That's not a real name. I'm not having it. Are people just making up names of ministers that have resigned now? I have never heard of her, I admit! |
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