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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 28, 2018 14:05:27 GMT
So why so much fuss about the bus? Do you mean the fuss to try and make out it wasn't a lie? I dunno. I understood it to mean we could spend the £350 millions on things like the NHS, but there you go.
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Post by shangamuzo on Oct 28, 2018 14:05:47 GMT
To leave the European Union and Cameron explicitly said that a vote to leave would be a vote to leave the single market. Cameron also said he wouldn't resign. Unfortunately sometimes politicians don't tell the truth. Sometimes ? Politicians are inveterate liars. Cameron's position was untenable-he just didn't think he could lose. Panic set in only when they saw the exit poles.
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Post by shangamuzo on Oct 28, 2018 14:13:30 GMT
Remain were out-propagandered by a very impressive slogan: TAKE BACK CONTROL ! Sadly we won't be taking back control. We are still conceding to Barnier and his cronies-with a BRINO minus.
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Post by capto on Oct 28, 2018 17:36:20 GMT
Legally Privileged ❤️ 🌌 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🤝 @lprivileged I have one question for these people who use fighting talk and looking forward to war time condition the UK : why haven't you joined the army then?! 🤔
Mike Galsworthy @mikegalsworthy · Brexit’s lead economist Prof Patrick Minford on UK car industry: “You are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.” This is the neoliberal Brexit plan.
Polly Polak @polakpolly · It doesn’t get mentioned enough but the reason so many people are advocating a #PeoplesVote on the final deal is because the #brexit campaign promised the UK would be better off out but this deal is shite compared to EU membership.
𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯 #FBPE 🏍️ ❤️ 🏴 🇪🇺 #NHSLove @wolfi665 · Brexit is literally killing people and destroying the NHS. According to NHS Digital more then 10 000 EU NHS doctors and nurses left the NHS because of @theresa_may facsist Brexit racism and xenophobia! People are literally dying because of Brexit!
1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership
2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie?
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 28, 2018 18:13:41 GMT
Legally Privileged ❤️ 🌌 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🤝 @lprivileged I have one question for these people who use fighting talk and looking forward to war time condition the UK : why haven't you joined the army then?! 🤔 Mike Galsworthy @mikegalsworthy · Brexit’s lead economist Prof Patrick Minford on UK car industry: “You are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.” This is the neoliberal Brexit plan. Polly Polak @polakpolly · It doesn’t get mentioned enough but the reason so many people are advocating a #PeoplesVote on the final deal is because the #brexit campaign promised the UK would be better off out but this deal is shite compared to EU membership. 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯 #FBPE 🏍️ ❤️ 🏴 🇪🇺 #NHSLove @wolfi665 · Brexit is literally killing people and destroying the NHS. According to NHS Digital more then 10 000 EU NHS doctors and nurses left the NHS because of @theresa_may facsist Brexit racism and xenophobia! People are literally dying because of Brexit! 1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie? Yeh... We're "Taking back control" though Capto National Health Service is going to benefit by 350 million a week. British manufacturing is going to skyrocket. What the fudge with I don't know. Even Dyson is getting out. Car manufacturing will disappear from these islands within ten years. You silly cluckers Stoke on Trent will be a ghost town. All we do now is storage and transport. 80% of EU origin. You silly cluckers
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Post by tuum on Oct 28, 2018 18:20:20 GMT
Legally Privileged ❤️ 🌌 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🤝 @lprivileged I have one question for these people who use fighting talk and looking forward to war time condition the UK : why haven't you joined the army then?! 🤔 Mike Galsworthy @mikegalsworthy · Brexit’s lead economist Prof Patrick Minford on UK car industry: “You are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.” This is the neoliberal Brexit plan. Polly Polak @polakpolly · It doesn’t get mentioned enough but the reason so many people are advocating a #PeoplesVote on the final deal is because the #brexit campaign promised the UK would be better off out but this deal is shite compared to EU membership. 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯 #FBPE 🏍️ ❤️ 🏴 🇪🇺 #NHSLove @wolfi665 · Brexit is literally killing people and destroying the NHS. According to NHS Digital more then 10 000 EU NHS doctors and nurses left the NHS because of @theresa_may facsist Brexit racism and xenophobia! People are literally dying because of Brexit! 1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie? Yeh... We're "Taking back control" though Capto National Health Service is going to benefit by 350 million a week. British manufacturing is going to skyrocket. What the fudge with I don't know. Even Dyson is getting out. Car manufacturing will disappear from these islands within ten years. You silly cluckers Stoke on Trent will be a ghost town. All we do now is storage and transport. 80% of EU origin. You silly cluckers You must be the only bloke who bothers to read Capto's posts on this issue. I am impressed.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 28, 2018 19:02:33 GMT
Yeh... We're "Taking back control" though Capto National Health Service is going to benefit by 350 million a week. British manufacturing is going to skyrocket. What the fudge with I don't know. Even Dyson is getting out. Car manufacturing will disappear from these islands within ten years. You silly cluckers Stoke on Trent will be a ghost town. All we do now is storage and transport. 80% of EU origin. You silly cluckers You must be the only bloke who bothers to read Capto's posts on this issue. I am impressed. To be honest tuum.... I just read the soudbites... And only on a weekend 😁 But he does have some very good points. Que Sera Sera
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2018 9:33:05 GMT
Merkel to step down as CDU Chairwoman.
What a mess she's created.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Oct 29, 2018 9:43:50 GMT
Legally Privileged ❤️ 🌌 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🤝 @lprivileged I have one question for these people who use fighting talk and looking forward to war time condition the UK : why haven't you joined the army then?! 🤔 Mike Galsworthy @mikegalsworthy · Brexit’s lead economist Prof Patrick Minford on UK car industry: “You are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.” This is the neoliberal Brexit plan. Polly Polak @polakpolly · It doesn’t get mentioned enough but the reason so many people are advocating a #PeoplesVote on the final deal is because the #brexit campaign promised the UK would be better off out but this deal is shite compared to EU membership. 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯 #FBPE 🏍️ ❤️ 🏴 🇪🇺 #NHSLove @wolfi665 · Brexit is literally killing people and destroying the NHS. According to NHS Digital more then 10 000 EU NHS doctors and nurses left the NHS because of @theresa_may facsist Brexit racism and xenophobia! People are literally dying because of Brexit! 1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie? Yeh... We're "Taking back control" though Capto National Health Service is going to benefit by 350 million a week. British manufacturing is going to skyrocket. What the fudge with I don't know. Even Dyson is getting out. Car manufacturing will disappear from these islands within ten years. You silly cluckers Stoke on Trent will be a ghost town. All we do now is storage and transport. 80% of EU origin. You silly cluckers How can you be so happy with the present arrangement, when you say that all we do is storage and transport? Surely after all of these years of EEC/EC/EU membership Stoke-on-Trent should have been booming? 70% of it's inhabitants must be real thick clickers to vote to end such a utopia? Oh and Stoke-on-Trent can't become a ghost town, as it's a city. Hanley can, or Stoke can, even Longton and Burslem. But you'll probably find, they're pretty much ghost towns already, despite the decades we've spent handing over our money to Brussels. 8-|
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Post by yeokel on Oct 29, 2018 9:53:12 GMT
Remain were out-propagandered by a very impressive slogan: TAKE BACK CONTROL ! Sadly we won't be taking back control. We are still conceding to Barnier and his cronies-with a BRINO minus. I don’t know about the “out-propagandered” bit. For me, the main difference was that ‘leave’ gave a very positive message about the opportunities that exist for this country outside the EU. ‘Remain’ on the other hand gave very little positivity about the EU, our place in it and the benefits we derive from it. Instead, they gave us ‘project fear’ and proceeded to offer warnings and threats that became more and more ridiculous as the days went by. For myself – when the campaigns began, I was a ‘remainer’ but the positivity of leave vs the negativity of remain won me over. I think that my ‘leave’ vote was, ultimately, the correct vote but it was mainly the ‘remain’ camp’s failure to give a positive message about the EU which delivered it. (and no part of the decision involved reading and misunderstanding the side of a bus!)
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Post by felonious on Oct 29, 2018 13:17:14 GMT
Cameron also said he wouldn't resign. Unfortunately sometimes politicians don't tell the truth. Sometimes ? Politicians are inveterate liars. Cameron's position was untenable-he just didn't think he could lose. Panic set in only when they saw the exit poles. Major, Blair both lied about a referendum. What about the politicians who took us into the Common Market or didn't they have a clue what they were signing up for?
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Post by Northy on Oct 29, 2018 13:36:19 GMT
Legally Privileged ❤️ 🌌 🇪🇺 🇬🇧 🤝 @lprivileged I have one question for these people who use fighting talk and looking forward to war time condition the UK : why haven't you joined the army then?! 🤔 Mike Galsworthy @mikegalsworthy · Brexit’s lead economist Prof Patrick Minford on UK car industry: “You are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.” This is the neoliberal Brexit plan. Polly Polak @polakpolly · It doesn’t get mentioned enough but the reason so many people are advocating a #PeoplesVote on the final deal is because the #brexit campaign promised the UK would be better off out but this deal is shite compared to EU membership. 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯 #FBPE 🏍️ ❤️ 🏴 🇪🇺 #NHSLove @wolfi665 · Brexit is literally killing people and destroying the NHS. According to NHS Digital more then 10 000 EU NHS doctors and nurses left the NHS because of @theresa_may facsist Brexit racism and xenophobia! People are literally dying because of Brexit! 1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie? Yeh... We're "Taking back control" though Capto National Health Service is going to benefit by 350 million a week. British manufacturing is going to skyrocket. What the fudge with I don't know. Even Dyson is getting out. Car manufacturing will disappear from these islands within ten years. You silly cluckers Stoke on Trent will be a ghost town. All we do now is storage and transport. 80% of EU origin. You silly cluckers Dysin getting out? he's never been in ...
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Post by capto on Oct 29, 2018 17:26:02 GMT
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Post by tuum on Oct 29, 2018 18:26:11 GMT
Remain were out-propagandered by a very impressive slogan: TAKE BACK CONTROL ! Sadly we won't be taking back control. We are still conceding to Barnier and his cronies-with a BRINO minus. I don’t know about the “out-propagandered” bit. For me, the main difference was that ‘leave’ gave a very positive message about the opportunities that exist for this country outside the EU. ‘Remain’ on the other hand gave very little positivity about the EU, our place in it and the benefits we derive from it. Instead, they gave us ‘project fear’ and proceeded to offer warnings and threats that became more and more ridiculous as the days went by. For myself – when the campaigns began, I was a ‘remainer’ but the positivity of leave vs the negativity of remain won me over. I think that my ‘leave’ vote was, ultimately, the correct vote but it was mainly the ‘remain’ camp’s failure to give a positive message about the EU which delivered it. (and no part of the decision involved reading and misunderstanding the side of a bus!) This is my position also. This fear of change and a reluctance to even try and address the issue in positive terms is really disheartening for me. It's as if we just accept our position in the world without any aspiration at all to achieve more. Frightened of opportunity. I remember the recessions of the 80's and 90's when many people lost their jobs and were fearful of what would happen. After a year or so most people adapted and survived. Many thrived...some went under. A few years ago a friend of mine took voluntary redundancy from a cushy corporate job and was really worried that they would not find work. 3yrs on they have doubled their money and doubled their holidays. Many times at work I am asked to implement projects and processes that I fundamentally disagree with. They are not, in my opinion, the best decision but I don't sulk and drag my feet. I just get on with it and do my best to make it work. Sometimes, the decision taken by my bosses is proven to be right..other times it needs some adjustment. I don't see Brexit as some attempt to recreate the Empire. I see it as an opportunity. A chance to break out from the restrictive practices of the EU and their drive to ever closer union. A chance to plot our own course.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 29, 2018 18:41:35 GMT
I don’t know about the “out-propagandered” bit. For me, the main difference was that ‘leave’ gave a very positive message about the opportunities that exist for this country outside the EU. ‘Remain’ on the other hand gave very little positivity about the EU, our place in it and the benefits we derive from it. Instead, they gave us ‘project fear’ and proceeded to offer warnings and threats that became more and more ridiculous as the days went by. For myself – when the campaigns began, I was a ‘remainer’ but the positivity of leave vs the negativity of remain won me over. I think that my ‘leave’ vote was, ultimately, the correct vote but it was mainly the ‘remain’ camp’s failure to give a positive message about the EU which delivered it. (and no part of the decision involved reading and misunderstanding the side of a bus!) This is my position also. This fear of change and a reluctance to even try and address the issue in positive terms is really disheartening for me. It's as if we just accept our position in the world without any aspiration at all to achieve more. Frightened of opportunity. I remember the recessions of the 80's and 90's when many people lost their jobs and were fearful of what would happen. After a year or so most people adapted and survived. Many thrived...some went under. A few years ago a friend of mine took voluntary redundancy from a cushy corporate job and was really worried that they would not find work. 3yrs on they have doubled their money and doubled their holidays. Many times at work I am asked to implement projects and processes that I fundamentally disagree with. They are not, in my opinion, the best decision but I don't sulk and drag my feet. I just get on with it and do my best to make it work. Sometimes, the decision taken by my bosses is proven to be right..other times it needs some adjustment. I don't see Brexit as some attempt to recreate the Empire. I see it as an opportunity. A chance to break out from the restrictive practices of the EU and their drive to ever closer union. A chance to plot our own course. "Plot our own course" ? What the heck do you have in mind.? Do you seriously think that you as an individual will have any bearing on future practices of the UK.? And what happens if the Party you vote for in the next General Election does not win.? You're in dreamland tuum ...
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 29, 2018 18:45:46 GMT
And what happens if the Party you vote for in the next General Election does not win.? Well, the only true course of action would be to shout over & over again how the people who voted for the winning Party are a bunch of thickos who didn't know what they were voting for, and then demand a second vote. ... Or he might be a bit more grown-up than that & realise that in a democracy you can't always get your own way.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 29, 2018 18:48:29 GMT
And what happens if the Party you vote for in the next General Election does not win.? Well, the only true course of action would be to shout over & over again how the people who voted for the winning Party are a bunch of thickos who didn't know what they were voting for, and then demand a second vote. ... Or he might be a bit more grown-up than that & realise that in a democracy you can't always get your own way. Or have another choice of vote in four years.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 29, 2018 18:57:23 GMT
Well, the only true course of action would be to shout over & over again how the people who voted for the winning Party are a bunch of thickos who didn't know what they were voting for, and then demand a second vote. ... Or he might be a bit more grown-up than that & realise that in a democracy you can't always get your own way. Or have another choice of vote in four years. The country had another chance to vote when The Tories & Labour ran Pro-Brexit, and the LibDems ran Anti-Brexit. The Tories/Labour won a huge majority of the votes... Didn't have to wait four years for it either.
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Post by 4372 on Oct 29, 2018 19:14:48 GMT
Go for it tuum. Marvellous.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 29, 2018 19:15:49 GMT
Or have another choice of vote in four years. The country had another chance to vote when The Tories & Labour ran Pro-Brexit, and the LibDems ran Anti-Brexit. The Tories/Labour won a huge majority of the votes... Didn't have to wait four years for it either. Then Labour changed their tune. Can't believe how many people seem to have glossed over this.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 29, 2018 19:16:07 GMT
Or have another choice of vote in four years. The country had another chance to vote when The Tories & Labour ran Pro-Brexit, and the LibDems ran Anti-Brexit. The Tories/Labour won a huge majority of the votes... Didn't have to wait four years for it either. You know that's not the point here Drunken.. This is a one time vote ... That's why people are so vocal and worried. There is no turning back.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 29, 2018 19:17:40 GMT
The country had another chance to vote when The Tories & Labour ran Pro-Brexit, and the LibDems ran Anti-Brexit. The Tories/Labour won a huge majority of the votes... Didn't have to wait four years for it either. You know that's not the point here Drunken.. This is a one time vote ... That's why people are so vocal and worried. There is no turning back. There you go 👍
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 29, 2018 19:40:01 GMT
You know that's not the point here Drunken.. This is a one time vote ... That's why people are so vocal and worried. There is no turning back. There you go 👍 Yes... There we go.👍
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Post by yeokel on Oct 30, 2018 13:12:32 GMT
This is my position also. This fear of change and a reluctance to even try and address the issue in positive terms is really disheartening for me. It's as if we just accept our position in the world without any aspiration at all to achieve more. Frightened of opportunity. I remember the recessions of the 80's and 90's when many people lost their jobs and were fearful of what would happen. After a year or so most people adapted and survived. Many thrived...some went under. A few years ago a friend of mine took voluntary redundancy from a cushy corporate job and was really worried that they would not find work. 3yrs on they have doubled their money and doubled their holidays. Many times at work I am asked to implement projects and processes that I fundamentally disagree with. They are not, in my opinion, the best decision but I don't sulk and drag my feet. I just get on with it and do my best to make it work. Sometimes, the decision taken by my bosses is proven to be right..other times it needs some adjustment. I don't see Brexit as some attempt to recreate the Empire. I see it as an opportunity. A chance to break out from the restrictive practices of the EU and their drive to ever closer union. A chance to plot our own course. "Plot our own course" ? What the heck do you have in mind.? Do you seriously think that you as an individual will have any bearing on future practices of the UK.? Did you not notice that it was a collection of individuals, all of whom voted for Brexit, who won the referendum? All of you ‘remainers’ are individuals too, you know. Going by the logic of your post, you should all just shut the fuck up and let us get on with Brexit, because you can't make any difference anyway. In fact, why not give it a try?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 1, 2018 17:03:17 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 1, 2018 22:50:40 GMT
Everytime when you think the barrel has been scraped they find another way, investigate him for breaking the law although after a year investigating if the best they have is we suspect the case doesn't seem that strong 148 days and 1 houe to go and then the crying and tantrums will really start
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 1, 2018 23:18:09 GMT
Everytime when you think the barrel has been scraped they find another way, investigate him for breaking the law although after a year investigating if the best they have is we suspect the case doesn't seem that strong 148 days and 1 houe to go and then the crying and tantrums will really start Farage in the shit too... it keeps getting better
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 2, 2018 0:09:22 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 2, 2018 8:40:45 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 2, 2018 12:32:54 GMT
Everytime when you think the barrel has been scraped they find another way, investigate him for breaking the law although after a year investigating if the best they have is we suspect the case doesn't seem that strong 148 days and 1 houe to go and then the crying and tantrums will really start Farage in the shit too... it keeps getting better Honestly couldn't give a single fcuk about Farage or Banks they are subject to the law like anyone else, if they have broken it they will get fined not going to stop Brexit whatever your wish is.........
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