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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 27, 2018 17:54:29 GMT
That wasn't a complement. Then again, you're not a lawyer.
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Post by lancer on Oct 27, 2018 18:02:26 GMT
www.dailydot.com/layer8/what-is-black-cube/www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-25/u-k-suffers-brexit-trade-setback-over-copy-and-paste-wto-terms?utm_source=twitter&utm_content=brexit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid%3D=socialflow-facebook-brexit The Times of LondonVerified account @thetimes Britain is preparing for trade negotiations with almost two dozen nations after they objected to the terms it proposed for its World Trade Organisation membership after Brexit commonslibrary.parliament.uk/brexit/the-eu/the-meaningful-vote-a-users-guide/Bloomberg BrexitVerified account @brexit Brexit talks are at a standstill after Theresa May's top team can't agree to a way forward for negotiations to resume, sources say 1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie? 1. Why do remainers lie about sovereignty, saying we haven't lost any? 2. Why do remainers say that we can't exist and prosper outside the EU when most countries in the world do so? 3. Why do remainers always think they know what will happen to the UK after we leave, but can't tell us what the EU will be like next week?
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 27, 2018 18:24:25 GMT
That wasn't a complement. Then again, you're not a lawyer. Am I not!? Crikey, I just finalised my continuing competence for my practising certificate renewal. I reckon I’ve done enough for renewal.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2018 19:09:02 GMT
That wasn't a complement. Then again, you're not a lawyer. Am I not!? Crikey, I just finalised my continuing competence for my practising certificate renewal. I reckon I’ve done enough for renewal. It wasn't a complement oggy .. It was a compliment. Your thoughts are of a sensible, logical democrat. Don't let anyone tell you any different.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2018 19:21:07 GMT
In that case, you don’t understand the difference between a lie and a prediction. And the lies are still believed by 42% in the poll. That alone is evidence enough that the referendum result was worthless as people’s decisions were based on lies. Democracy is dead if the result is followed without further scrutiny as to what people actually want. Cack. Seriously tricky.. It isn't cack. Over 15% of the voters believed this downright lie and made a vote based purely on this statement. It was a game changer. End of.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 27, 2018 19:29:47 GMT
Seriously tricky.. It isn't cack. Over 15% of the voters believed this downright lie and made a vote based purely on this statement. It was a game changer. End of. Like Corbyn promising to honour the referendum result? Or the catastrophic implications of not joining the Euro? Maybe I watch too many YouTube documentaries, but I believe little of what I read or watch on TV anymore. There are very few impartial journalists.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 27, 2018 19:36:29 GMT
Am I not!? Crikey, I just finalised my continuing competence for my practising certificate renewal. I reckon I’ve done enough for renewal. It wasn't a complement oggy .. It was a compliment. Your thoughts are of a sensible, logical democrat. Don't let anyone tell you any different. Always nice to see a lawyer patronised
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2018 19:39:40 GMT
Seriously tricky.. It isn't cack. Over 15% of the voters believed this downright lie and made a vote based purely on this statement. It was a game changer. End of. Like Corbyn promising to honour the referendum result? Or the catastrophic implications of not joining the Euro? Maybe I watch too many YouTube documentaries, but I believe little of what I read or watch on TV anymore. There are very few impartial journalists. Fair comments. But in my opinion this was a bit different. A calculated, premeditated lie that influenced and swayed hundreds of thousands of voters. This was a referendum.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2018 19:43:54 GMT
It wasn't a complement oggy .. It was a compliment. Your thoughts are of a sensible, logical democrat. Don't let anyone tell you any different. Always nice to see a lawyer patronised "patronised" I do not for one minute think I am superior to oggy.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 27, 2018 19:45:38 GMT
Seriously tricky.. It isn't cack. Over 15% of the voters believed this downright lie and made a vote based purely on this statement. It was a game changer. End of. Ay up! How's it going? One thing I can't square with this is: Why did so many highly educated egghead remainers fall for the downright lie and change their vote to leave?
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2018 19:56:09 GMT
Seriously tricky.. It isn't cack. Over 15% of the voters believed this downright lie and made a vote based purely on this statement. It was a game changer. End of. Ay up! How's it going? One thing I can't square with this is: Why did so many highly educated egghead remainers fall for the downright lie and change their vote to leave? I'm not sure of their intellectual ability Clayton 😁... but I do know a lot of people who admit that this was a major factor in their decision. Blatant, unadulterated lie. Good marketing you may say.... Absolutely.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 27, 2018 20:02:15 GMT
Ay up! How's it going? One thing I can't square with this is: Why did so many highly educated egghead remainers fall for the downright lie and change their vote to leave? I'm not sure of their intellectual ability Clayton 😁... but I do know a lot of people who admit that this was a major factor in their decision. Blatant, unadulterated lie. Good marketing you may say.... Absolutely. A great many people had made their decision well before the bus rolled into town
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Post by lordb on Oct 27, 2018 20:07:08 GMT
I'm not sure of their intellectual ability Clayton 😁... but I do know a lot of people who admit that this was a major factor in their decision. Blatant, unadulterated lie. Good marketing you may say.... Absolutely. A great many people had made their decision well before the bus rolled into town That's true. However it's also true that many people were swayed to vote leave by that absolute lie. Given it was a close result therefore it's daft not to say this turned a narrow remain win to a narrow leave win. If course you could just argue that this particular lie was just more successful than the other lies both sides purported. Democracy in action.😒
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2018 20:07:49 GMT
I'm not sure of their intellectual ability Clayton 😁... but I do know a lot of people who admit that this was a major factor in their decision. Blatant, unadulterated lie. Good marketing you may say.... Absolutely. A great many people had made their decision well before the bus rolled into town A good many hadn't... Enough to influence the outcome.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 27, 2018 20:09:41 GMT
Ay up! How's it going? One thing I can't square with this is: Why did so many highly educated egghead remainers fall for the downright lie and change their vote to leave? I'm not sure of their intellectual ability Clayton 😁... but I do know a lot of people who admit that this was a major factor in their decision. Blatant, unadulterated lie. Good marketing you may say.... Absolutely. So Cameron's promised £7bn budget deficit and 100,000 job losses as a consequence of a leave vote were a prediction that went wrong Get off with ya
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Post by lordb on Oct 27, 2018 20:10:59 GMT
I'm not sure of their intellectual ability Clayton 😁... but I do know a lot of people who admit that this was a major factor in their decision. Blatant, unadulterated lie. Good marketing you may say.... Absolutely. So Cameron's promised £7bn budget deficit and 100,000 job losses as a consequence of a leave vote were a prediction that went wrong Get off with ya We don't know yet.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2018 20:18:26 GMT
I'm not sure of their intellectual ability Clayton 😁... but I do know a lot of people who admit that this was a major factor in their decision. Blatant, unadulterated lie. Good marketing you may say.... Absolutely. So Cameron's promised £7bn budget deficit and 100,000 job losses as a consequence of a leave vote were a prediction that went wrong Get off with ya Difference is Clayton.. Most of the remain campaign verbals were predictions. We haven't left yet. 😁
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 27, 2018 20:19:37 GMT
So Cameron's promised £7bn budget deficit and 100,000 job losses as a consequence of a leave vote were a prediction that went wrong Get off with ya We don't know yet. We do because Osborne was predicted to have to undertake an emergency post leave budget.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 27, 2018 20:22:24 GMT
So Cameron's promised £7bn budget deficit and 100,000 job losses as a consequence of a leave vote were a prediction that went wrong Get off with ya Difference is Clayton.. Most of the remain campaign verbals were predictions. We haven't left yet. 😁 More lawyer speak
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 27, 2018 20:25:50 GMT
So Cameron's promised £7bn budget deficit and 100,000 job losses as a consequence of a leave vote were a prediction that went wrong Get off with ya Difference is Clayton.. Most of the remain campaign verbals were predictions. We haven't left yet. 😁 Are you related to Oggy, Small (if I might be so bold as to call you that)? It's one of those irregular verbs again: Remainers PredictLeavers LieAgnostics shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2018 20:43:11 GMT
Difference is Clayton.. Most of the remain campaign verbals were predictions. We haven't left yet. 😁 Are you related to Oggy, Small (if I might be so bold as to call you that)? It's one of those irregular verbs again: Remainers PredictLeavers LieAgnostics shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe
😁 No... I'm not related. Well.. I don't think so anyway. Agnostic... great word that. I'm a Director of a Company that exports millions of pounds of British made goods around the world. I've got no more knowledge of what's what than the next man if course. But... I've got a horrible feeling that disturbing the existing status quo will end up in tears. Truly hope of course for myself and kin that I'm hopelessly wrong. Just don't think it's a gamble worth taking. Sovereignty and and Taking Back Control don't mean much to me. A lot of people voted for the wrong reason (including members of my family) We ... the plebs... don't have control whatever happens. What we do have is a General Election every four years to choose our preference of governance... I'm not going on a protest march for another vote.. I'm doing what I've done for 50 years.. Paying my taxes and dues to help this country and all it's social welfare systems prosper. But ... I'm moaning and groaning because I think we've made a fundamental mistake. Unlike a General Election though... we cannot change the decision.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 27, 2018 21:04:39 GMT
Are you related to Oggy, Small (if I might be so bold as to call you that)? It's one of those irregular verbs again: Remainers PredictLeavers LieAgnostics shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe
😁 No... I'm not related. Well.. I don't think so anyway. Agnostic... great word that. I'm a Director of a Company that exports millions of pounds of British made goods around the world. I've got no more knowledge of what's what than the next man if course. But... I've got a horrible feeling that disturbing the existing status quo will end up in tears. Truly hope of course for myself and kin that I'm hopelessly wrong. Just don't think it's a gamble worth taking. Sovereignty and and Taking Back Control don't mean much to me. A lot of people voted for the wrong reason (including members of my family) We ... the plebs... don't have control whatever happens. What we do have is a General Election every four years to choose our preference of governance... I'm not going on a protest march for another vote.. I'm doing what I've done for 50 years.. Paying my taxes and dues to help this country and all it's social welfare systems prosper. But ... I'm moaning and groaning because I think we've made a fundamental mistake. Unlike a General Election though... we cannot change the decision. Fair enough mate. I respect and understand your position even if I can't agree with it. We're probably all conditioned by our experiences. Having worked in a multinational with a Brussels HQ and a lot of exposure to European business/markets etc I've probably seen more than most. We closed UK manufacturing factories (10 years ago) because at that time redundancy pay in the UK was based on years served, more years more pay. In France it was based on potential earning in the future so much more costly. Was this the fault of the EU? No, not directly but there was no move to get a level playing field. EU legislation also ruined my wife's small business. Sovereignty for me isn't about blue passports or Dover immigration control. It's about having a chance to vote for our own legislation and as EU integration picks up pace that gets further away.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 27, 2018 21:27:52 GMT
'we send the EU £350 million a week – let's fund our NHS instead'.
Let's just look at the first part of that statement, 'we send the EU £350m a week', yes £1.4bn a month. I don't think anyone is disputing that figure are they?
Oh and incidentally I don't see anything in that statement that promises to additionally fund the NHS to the tune of £1.4bn a month
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 27, 2018 21:40:56 GMT
'we send the EU £350 million a week – let's fund our NHS instead'. Let's just look at the first part of that statement, 'we send the EU £350m a week', yes £1.4bn a month. I don't think anyone is disputing that figure are they? Oh and incidentally I don't see anything in that statement that promises to additionally fund the NHS to the tune of £1.4bn a month There's been a lot of people disputing that figure: www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-40860657
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2018 22:38:17 GMT
'we send the EU £350 million a week – let's fund our NHS instead'. Let's just look at the first part of that statement, 'we send the EU £350m a week', yes £1.4bn a month. I don't think anyone is disputing that figure are they? Oh and incidentally I don't see anything in that statement that promises to additionally fund the NHS to the tune of £1.4bn a month The figure is a gross figure and not the true contribution. It is "implied" that this figure is going to the funding of our National Health Service.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 27, 2018 22:39:26 GMT
'we send the EU £350 million a week – let's fund our NHS instead'. Let's just look at the first part of that statement, 'we send the EU £350m a week', yes £1.4bn a month. I don't think anyone is disputing that figure are they? Oh and incidentally I don't see anything in that statement that promises to additionally fund the NHS to the tune of £1.4bn a month There's been a lot of people disputing that figure: www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-40860657Aren't you just a tad concerned that no-one seems to have a clue what we actually send to the EU??
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 27, 2018 23:02:04 GMT
Aren't you just a tad concerned that no-one seems to have a clue what we actually send to the EU?? No. I doubt anyone knows an exact figure for how much we've spent on the Iraq War. At big government level there is often not an exact figure on spending. But more importantly, I'm not bothered because we're leaving. So how much we pay does not really matter in the long run, it's what we do with the money 'saved' that is the key issue. Which is where the bus comes in and the very-much disputed figure of 350 million.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 28, 2018 0:11:01 GMT
Seriously tricky.. It isn't cack. Over 15% of the voters believed this downright lie and made a vote based purely on this statement. It was a game changer. End of. So that 15% has gone up to 42%. Amazing.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 28, 2018 5:58:17 GMT
'we send the EU £350 million a week – let's fund our NHS instead'. Let's just look at the first part of that statement, 'we send the EU £350m a week', yes £1.4bn a month. I don't think anyone is disputing that figure are they? Oh and incidentally I don't see anything in that statement that promises to additionally fund the NHS to the tune of £1.4bn a month The figure is a gross figure and not the true contribution. It is "implied" that this figure is going to the funding of our National Health Service. So more of a prediction, as oggy would say
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 28, 2018 8:51:04 GMT
Difference is Clayton.. Most of the remain campaign verbals were predictions. We haven't left yet. 😁 Are you related to Oggy, Small (if I might be so bold as to call you that)? It's one of those irregular verbs again: Remainers PredictLeavers LieAgnostics shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe
A prediction is an opinion. I think man city will win the premiership this season. If they don’t, I haven’t lied. Whereas saying Liverpool won the league last season is a lie, because i know it is not true. How do leave voters not see the distinction?
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