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Post by skemstokie on Oct 20, 2018 13:16:46 GMT
What are the main arguments against having the ability to extend the transition period if it's needed? Given there is an argument that Brexit is very much about the long-term gains, with a possible short-term set back shortly after we leave, why does it matter if the transition period finishes one, two or even five years later than planned? Was it Rees-Mogg that said we might not see the benefits for 50 years? Does it really make a difference if that becomes 55 years? Why should an extension be needed? We've had over two years of negotiations, if you can't sort differences over a two year period there's a good chance they won't ever be sorted. Cameron found how intrasigent the EU are when he desperately needed their help. Why anyone would want to belong to such an autocratic club is beyond me. Japan have just taken 8 YEARS for a trade only deal and you think 2 years should be enough to sort out a trade deal the Irish border,the fate of foreign nationals living on both sides of the channel along with numerous other issues?  |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 20, 2018 15:27:26 GMT
So, some 100,000 or more have turned up or will do to demonstrate....a noble effort. According to government statistics the number eligible to vote in the UK when the Brexit vote took place was 46,500,000. The electoral commission figures were 16,141,241 (48.1%) remain and 17,410,742 (51.9%) leave. Therefore, this 100,000 or so marching today equates to just over 0.2% of the entire electorate or 0.6% of the entire leave vote who voted. At what point should any government be swayed by such comparively small percentages in a democracy when the numbers today don’t even seem to massively reflect the remain position? I get that not everyone can make the demonstration, but I would have expected far greater numbers,or have restrictions been put in place to stop the other 17 million from turning up that might suggest a more realistic change in the nations views on this? PS....sorry if my maths is out....lots of zeros and I have a hangover! Actually 670,000 at the march. Only 1200 at the Leave means Leave event (with 12,000 streaming it live). By your idiotic logic, even including those who couldn’t be arsed to leave their sofa and instead streamed the event instead, over 50 times as many people want a second vote than those who want to leave. Or perhaps not every person in support of each turned up. But what is clear is that 670000 is a massive turnout. |
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 20, 2018 16:11:18 GMT
So, some 100,000 or more have turned up or will do to demonstrate....a noble effort. According to government statistics the number eligible to vote in the UK when the Brexit vote took place was 46,500,000. The electoral commission figures were 16,141,241 (48.1%) remain and 17,410,742 (51.9%) leave. Therefore, this 100,000 or so marching today equates to just over 0.2% of the entire electorate or 0.6% of the entire leave vote who voted. At what point should any government be swayed by such comparively small percentages in a democracy when the numbers today don’t even seem to massively reflect the remain position? I get that not everyone can make the demonstration, but I would have expected far greater numbers,or have restrictions been put in place to stop the other 17 million from turning up that might suggest a more realistic change in the nations views on this? PS....sorry if my maths is out....lots of zeros and I have a hangover! Actually 670,000 at the march. Only 1200 at the Leave means Leave event (with 12,000 streaming it live). By your idiotic logic, even including those who couldn’t be arsed to leave their sofa and instead streamed the event instead, over 50 times as many people want a second vote than those who want to leave. Or perhaps not every person in support of each turned up. But what is clear is that 670000 is a massive turnout. Mmm...think I will await official figures before believing what has been put out by the leave campaign. Even if it was 670000 that is still only 4% of the leave vote and I think you must have missed where I acknowledged not every one would make the demo so what’s your point? With regards to the remain event....they aren’t the ones having to justify the need for any change as there was a referendum that leave won, so the ball is firmly in the court of remain to influence change and that turn out, as impressive as it may be, is not enough to influence a democratic vote involving millions. Feel free to call my logic idiotic or insult me further in other ways if that’s how you feel you can best make a point. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 16:13:30 GMT
So, some 100,000 or more have turned up or will do to demonstrate....a noble effort. According to government statistics the number eligible to vote in the UK when the Brexit vote took place was 46,500,000. The electoral commission figures were 16,141,241 (48.1%) remain and 17,410,742 (51.9%) leave. Therefore, this 100,000 or so marching today equates to just over 0.2% of the entire electorate or 0.6% of the entire leave vote who voted. At what point should any government be swayed by such comparively small percentages in a democracy when the numbers today don’t even seem to massively reflect the remain position? I get that not everyone can make the demonstration, but I would have expected far greater numbers,or have restrictions been put in place to stop the other 17 million from turning up that might suggest a more realistic change in the nations views on this? PS....sorry if my maths is out....lots of zeros and I have a hangover! Actually 670,000 at the march. Only 1200 at the Leave means Leave event (with 12,000 streaming it live). By your idiotic logic, even including those who couldn’t be arsed to leave their sofa and instead streamed the event instead, over 50 times as many people want a second vote than those who want to leave. Or perhaps not every person in support of each turned up. But what is clear is that 670000 is a massive turnout. It's an impressive turnout for sure whatever the actual figure. Less impressed that small children are holding banners saying how much they love The EU, but then self-righteous cunts do seem to love nothing more than politicising their children so it shouldn't come as a surprise. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 16:15:25 GMT
According to some of the protesters who were interviewed on Sky News today's march wasn't about wanting another referendum to remain or leave, but simply to vote on the type of deal that is finally negotiated. They agreed that the original leave decision should definitely stand, and that leave should still mean leave. I wonder how many of those attending today would agree ?
With regard to today's Leave means Leave event in Harrogate - this was the first I'd heard of it. It hasn't had anywhere near the same publicity as the Peoples Vote march.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 20, 2018 16:26:42 GMT
Actually 670,000 at the march. Only 1200 at the Leave means Leave event (with 12,000 streaming it live). By your idiotic logic, even including those who couldn’t be arsed to leave their sofa and instead streamed the event instead, over 50 times as many people want a second vote than those who want to leave. Or perhaps not every person in support of each turned up. But what is clear is that 670000 is a massive turnout. Mmm...think I will await official figures before believing what has been put out by the leave campaign. Even if it was 670000 that is still only 4% of the leave vote and I think you must have missed where I acknowledged not every one would make the demo so what’s your point? With regards to the remain event....they aren’t the ones having to justify the need for any change as there was a referendum that leave won, so the ball is firmly in the court of remain to influence change and that turn out, as impressive as it may be, is not enough to influence a democratic vote involving millions. Feel free to call my logic idiotic or insult me further in other ways if that’s how you feel you can best make a point. The majority did not vote to leave. Only 37% of people eligible to vote did. But we are leaving. This was the second largest protest this country has ever had (since the 1950s when they started assessing the data). It’s a huge turnout. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 16:33:56 GMT
The majority did not vote to leave. Only 37% of people eligible to vote did. But we are leaving. I don't understand the point of this soundbite you're regurgitating. It's beyond silly. |
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 20, 2018 16:41:11 GMT
According to some of the protesters who were interviewed on Sky News today's march wasn't about wanting another referendum to remain or leave, but simply to vote on the type of deal that is finally negotiated. They agreed that the original leave decision should definitely stand, and that leave should still mean leave. I wonder how many of those attending today would agree ? With regard to today's Leave means Leave event in Harrogate - this was the first I'd heard of it. It hasn't had anywhere near the same publicity as the Peoples Vote march. I think the problem with the referendum was it in out ,i was a remain voter,my brother and sister voted leave on the premise the money saved would go to the N.H.S. that we would have a close relationship with the EU (Norway style) that pretty much everything would be the same as now,both would now change their vote? |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 20, 2018 16:42:20 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45925542BBC buzzing at this demonstration..... Billions and billions of people will be there if you trust the Beeb, although realistically about 2000 will be there.
Actually in an attempt to try and show balance when actually it was not justified, the Beeb also chose to send cameras to Farage's bash in Harrogate where the attendance would have been much closer to 2000 if lucky.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 20, 2018 16:42:41 GMT
The majority did not vote to leave. Only 37% of people eligible to vote did. But we are leaving. I don't understand the point of this soundbite you're regurgitating. It's beyond silly. If you have 100 people who can vote, and 37% vote leave it means 63% did not vote to leave yet we are leaving. It’s simple. Add in the fact lots of people who voted leave are unhappy with the manner in which we may be leaving (chequers or similar) it leads to the question, how many people wanted what’s actually happening? Hence the argument for another vote. I doubt there will be one though. |
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 20, 2018 16:46:19 GMT
I don't understand the point of this soundbite you're regurgitating. It's beyond silly. If you have 100 people who can vote, and 37% vote leave it means 63% did not vote to leave yet we are leaving. It’s simple. Add in the fact lots of people who voted leave are unhappy with the manner in which we may be leaving (chequers or similar) it leads to the question, how many people wanted what’s actually happening? Hence the argument for another vote. I doubt there will be one though. I am quite optimstic it will happen,it is certainly a possibility> |
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Post by Gods on Oct 20, 2018 16:52:22 GMT
Extraordinary turn out for the march today, I don't suppose it will make a jot bit of difference but respect to those who took the time.
Hundreds of thousands of young people but the little buggers should have turned up first time around!
As someone said the consent form was signed 2 years ago and like it or not we're getting wheeled in to the operating theatre.
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Post by maxplonk on Oct 20, 2018 17:26:09 GMT
Extraordinary turn out for the march today, I don't suppose it will make a jot bit of difference but respect to those who took the time. Hundreds of thousands of young people but the little buggers should have turned up first time around! As someone said the consent form was signed 2 years ago and like it or not we're getting wheeled in to the operating theatre. Several million of us little buggers didn't get a vote! |
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Post by sharpy on Oct 20, 2018 17:35:32 GMT
Extraordinary turn out for the march today, I don't suppose it will make a jot bit of difference but respect to those who took the time. Hundreds of thousands of young people but the little buggers should have turned up first time around! As someone said the consent form was signed 2 years ago and like it or not we're getting wheeled in to the operating theatre. Several million of us little buggers didn't get a vote! Don`t worry your turn will come around in about 40 years, just like the vote in 2016 was my first opportunity. |
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Post by pearo on Oct 20, 2018 17:44:23 GMT
I don't understand the point of this soundbite you're regurgitating. It's beyond silly. If you have 100 people who can vote, and 37% vote leave it means 63% did not vote to leave yet we are leaving. It’s simple. Add in the fact lots of people who voted leave are unhappy with the manner in which we may be leaving (chequers or similar) it leads to the question, how many people wanted what’s actually happening? Hence the argument for another vote. I doubt there will be one though. If you have a 100 people who can vote and 32% vote remain it means 68% did not want to remain hence no need for another vote. |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 20, 2018 18:06:01 GMT
If you have 100 people who can vote, and 37% vote leave it means 63% did not vote to leave yet we are leaving. It’s simple. Add in the fact lots of people who voted leave are unhappy with the manner in which we may be leaving (chequers or similar) it leads to the question, how many people wanted what’s actually happening? Hence the argument for another vote. I doubt there will be one though. If you have a 100 people who can vote and 32% vote remain it means 68% did not want to remain hence no need for another vote. Aren't quite a lot of them who voted Leave dead by now, or will be by time this thing gets sorted. Estimated to be 1.5 million Should be a recount, with the deceased excluded and the opportunity for those who have since turned 18 allowed a say on their future. Estimated 2.5 million. The dead may have had their say but put simply, they haven't got a future to worry about. |
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Post by ravey123 on Oct 20, 2018 18:13:56 GMT
If you have a 100 people who can vote and 32% vote remain it means 68% did not want to remain hence no need for another vote. Aren't quite a lot of them who voted Leave dead by now, or will be by time this thing gets sorted. Estimated to be 1.5 million Should be a recount, with the deceased excluded and the opportunity for those who have since turned 18 allowed a say on their future. Estimated 2.5 million. The dead may have had their say but put simply, they haven't got a future to worry about. Using some of the logic of the remoaners - hundreds of thousands of people marched today for a peoples vote should be read as 56.9 million people today did not march for a peoples vote so only 0.2% want another vote. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 20, 2018 18:15:33 GMT
Nothing to stop Leavers organising a march but they wouldn't be able to agree which route it should take
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Post by felonious on Oct 20, 2018 18:29:00 GMT
If you have 100 people who can vote, and 37% vote leave it means 63% did not vote to leave yet we are leaving. It’s simple. Add in the fact lots of people who voted leave are unhappy with the manner in which we may be leaving (chequers or similar) it leads to the question, how many people wanted what’s actually happening? Hence the argument for another vote. I doubt there will be one though. If you have a 100 people who can vote and 32% vote remain it means 68% did not want to remain hence no need for another vote. What he's trying to say is that because only 43% voted for the EC in the 1975 referendum it should have been invalid and therefore 40 years of mission creep and lies about a referendum should never have taken place. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 20, 2018 19:19:11 GMT
More musical wonderfullness ....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 19:41:17 GMT
If you have a 100 people who can vote and 32% vote remain it means 68% did not want to remain hence no need for another vote. What he's trying to say is that because only 43% voted for the EC in the 1975 referendum it should have been invalid and therefore 40 years of mission creep and lies about a referendum should never have taken place. Can admin pin this post? |
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Post by maxplonk on Oct 20, 2018 19:53:32 GMT
Several million of us little buggers didn't get a vote! Don`t worry your turn will come around in about 40 years, just like the vote in 2016 was my first opportunity. Erm...I'll be in my nineties then..."youth". |
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Post by 4372 on Oct 20, 2018 21:44:03 GMT
Up to 700,000 people gave up their time to demonstrate against Brexit. 700,000 people. If just 700,000 people had voted the other way, the decision would have been different. It's no wonder the Brexit supporters don't fancy a second referendum.
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Post by ravey123 on Oct 20, 2018 22:14:55 GMT
Up to 700,000 people gave up their time to demonstrate against Brexit. 700,000 people. If just 700,000 people had voted the other way, the decision would have been different. It's no wonder the Brexit supporters don't fancy a second referendum. D E M O C R A C Y |
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Post by 4372 on Oct 20, 2018 22:19:32 GMT
Democracy indeed. Great to see so many people using their democratic right to campaign. Well Done to all.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 21, 2018 2:01:54 GMT
If you have a 100 people who can vote and 32% vote remain it means 68% did not want to remain hence no need for another vote. Aren't quite a lot of them who voted Leave dead by now, or will be by time this thing gets sorted. Estimated to be 1.5 million Should be a recount, with the deceased excluded and the opportunity for those who have since turned 18 allowed a say on their future. Estimated 2.5 million. The dead may have had their say but put simply, they haven't got a future to worry about. Remoaners have the most ridiculous arguments. By the way, that exaggerated crowd was full of old people. |
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 21, 2018 3:06:25 GMT
Aren't quite a lot of them who voted Leave dead by now, or will be by time this thing gets sorted. Estimated to be 1.5 million Should be a recount, with the deceased excluded and the opportunity for those who have since turned 18 allowed a say on their future. Estimated 2.5 million. The dead may have had their say but put simply, they haven't got a future to worry about. Remoaners have the most ridiculous arguments. By the way, that exaggerated crowd was full of old people. But they are young at heart! |
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Post by Kilo on Oct 21, 2018 7:14:43 GMT
Don`t worry your turn will come around in about 40 years, just like the vote in 2016 was my first opportunity. Erm...I'll be in my nineties then..."youth". You were too young to vote in 2016 but you'll be in your nineties in 40 years time?
Either your pants are on fire or you're a Cocker Spaniel.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 21, 2018 7:46:51 GMT
Up to 700,000 people gave up their time to demonstrate against Brexit. 700,000 people. If just 700,000 people had voted the other way, the decision would have been different. It's no wonder the Brexit supporters don't fancy a second referendum. Shame a lot of them couldn't be arsed first time around. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 21, 2018 7:49:13 GMT
Democracy indeed. Great to see so many people using their democratic right to campaign. Well Done to all. Yet those used their democratic right were painted thick and racist for doing so. |
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