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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 16, 2018 20:43:23 GMT
Just plain wrong. Again. May won't call an election. Why would she? May and the EU agreed a UK wide backstop last December. Read the text. It's the EU who are now saying there not enough time for the UK wide plan so they want to swivel back to their NI only plan. I know you lot don't do facts but at least try to Keep up. Anyway, what did you think about your Labour MP's ignoring Bercow's misogynist bullying because they want him to thwart Brexit. Solidarity eh sisters? If you can't pass your budget that is not a vote of no confidence in the leader of the party it is a vote of no confidence in the Government and an election will follow. It's not mate. It really isn't..... "Downing Street insisted that defeat on the budget would not amount to a vote of no confidence in the Government under the terms of the legislation which provides for fixed-term, five-year parliaments. “The Fixed-Term Parliaments Act sets out the circumstances for a confidence vote,” the Prime Minister’s official spokesman said. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2018 20:47:03 GMT
If you can't pass your budget that is not a vote of no confidence in the leader of the party it is a vote of no confidence in the Government and an election will follow. It's not mate. It really isn't..... "Downing Street insisted that defeat on the budget would not amount to a vote of no confidence in the Government under the terms of the legislation which provides for fixed-term, five-year parliaments. “The Fixed-Term Parliaments Act sets out the circumstances for a confidence vote,” the Prime Minister’s official spokesman said.  Hahahhaha. WHat's she going to do. Come back in a couple of weeks and have another go or send another billion to the creationists!  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 16, 2018 20:59:43 GMT
If you can't pass your budget that is not a vote of no confidence in the leader of the party it is a vote of no confidence in the Government and an election will follow. It's not mate. It really isn't..... "Downing Street insisted that defeat on the budget would not amount to a vote of no confidence in the Government under the terms of the legislation which provides for fixed-term, five-year parliaments. “The Fixed-Term Parliaments Act sets out the circumstances for a confidence vote,” the Prime Minister’s official spokesman said. So, it's not a vote of no confidence in the government because the government said it's not? No idea if they will get the budget through or not, but a British government that fails to pass a budget is in big trouble. That's fairly obvious. |
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Post by 4372 on Oct 16, 2018 21:24:27 GMT
Unfortunately for you and me both Wagastokie, I won't be going anywhere just yet. Paid my dues just like anybody else, and I will be using the NHS just like everyone else if and when the time comes. But thank you for your kind greeetings.
Tuum, I can leave it to yourself and other like minded souls to be the Stakhanovites of the coming years. Be my guest. I think this country is taking a wrong turn. I am not going to put myself out for a cause I believe is hopelessly and historically wrong.
Roger, no, I don't think I need to have an EU Passport to live in the EU. It is a measure of how misguided I think this whole project is, that I would possibly look for a second passport, with a country tied to the EU more closely than the UK will be.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 16, 2018 21:25:06 GMT
The current situation is that a deal is pretty much done, the outstanding issue appears to be on the irish backstop that is only needed if there is not a deal, so we don't have a deal because there is no agreement on the irish backstop that is only needed if there is no deal which we would have were it not for this backstop demand, if ever something summed up the EU perfectly this is it (wave) Barnier in his proposal for the border in the sea suggested technology was the answer, this is obviously some high tech water based technology that wouldn't work if it was on land at the actual border. Yeah, May must be absolutely livid with whoever was Prime Minister when they agreed to the backstop last December.  You can throw anger around at the EU, remoaners, even the Labour Party if that makes you feel better but the reason Brexit is a failure is down to one thing and one thing only. The blazing incompetence and bumbling idiocy of this horrific government. You do realise that the politiciand dont do the negotiating and that had Labour won the election the very same people would be negotiating, looking at Labours brexit policy I see even less competency and more bumbling idiocy. |
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 16, 2018 21:55:23 GMT
You do think it's all down to those pesky Europeans, Rog don't you?  Of course Labour has a plan, I imagine its a very soft Brexit, not to your liking at all but if there is an election (as there must be now), it is then incumbent on the Labour Party to reveal its full plan at that point and they will. Europe will extend A50 and we will have another go, hopefully with some more competent people at the helm. If as you predict there is a general election before March and therefore by implication Leave has not been implemented then there will only be one outcome. Nigel Farage and UKIP will galvanise the Leave vote in all those constituancies that voted leave to give him a massive influence post election and the Leave that has so far been denied the nation will be delivered post haste. and split the remainder of the tory vote  |
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 16, 2018 21:59:09 GMT
It's not mate. It really isn't..... "Downing Street insisted that defeat on the budget would not amount to a vote of no confidence in the Government under the terms of the legislation which provides for fixed-term, five-year parliaments. “The Fixed-Term Parliaments Act sets out the circumstances for a confidence vote,” the Prime Minister’s official spokesman said. Hahahhaha. WHat's she going to do. Come back in a couple of weeks and have another go or send another billion to the creationists! From the magic money tree we all now know exists |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 17, 2018 7:00:38 GMT
Have a nice time when you piss off Any chance you can take some of the other remain wingers with you Oh a don’t forget not to come back when you can’t piss of your own accord for the free nhs These remain wingers,are they left wingers or right wingers One does apologise I really must not allow myself to use the predictive text on my device Yet again you seem to try to make a smart arse comment in a attempt to belittle a fellow poster who has the temerity to disagree with your inept pathetic attempts at justification of a remain vote This sort of condescending behaviour by remainers was one of the reasons many people voted leave As in previous posts you were very fond of the word bye may I suggest you take your advice untill a time when you’re able or willing to debate in a sensible manner |
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 17, 2018 8:54:34 GMT
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Post by felonious on Oct 17, 2018 9:19:02 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 17, 2018 9:43:10 GMT
Imagine paying some Presbyterian Creationists a billion quid and shitting yourself because they wont sign off your budget?! The difference being that Italian Governments are Treaty bound to do this. Plus there's nothing wrong with a Supply and Confidence agreement until you try and sell your partners down the river. More fool May. It's funny how Labour's for the many mantra doesn't extend to the devolved NI because they're propping up May. Money for schools, roads and other infrastructure is all we ever hear from Jezza until it's for the 'other side' then it's duplicitous. Identity politics, don't you just love it? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 17, 2018 10:02:12 GMT
It's not mate. It really isn't..... "Downing Street insisted that defeat on the budget would not amount to a vote of no confidence in the Government under the terms of the legislation which provides for fixed-term, five-year parliaments. “The Fixed-Term Parliaments Act sets out the circumstances for a confidence vote,” the Prime Minister’s official spokesman said. So, it's not a vote of no confidence in the government because the government said it's not? No idea if they will get the budget through or not, but a British government that fails to pass a budget is in big trouble. That's fairly obvious. Well I don't disagree but No.10 are saying that there is a constitutional and legal difference between "in big trouble" and having to call a general election. From the Guardian; "As Watt [Political Editor of BBC Newsnight] says, budget votes are traditionally seen as confidence votes, and in the past losing one would trigger a general election. Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act the situation is different, and the government would have to lose a vote on an actual no confidence motion for an election to be triggered"So the Conservatives and DUP close ranks on the no confidence motion vote so that doesn't pass and there's no GE, with the understanding that May and Robbins are replaced before or after that vote. May has put herself outside EVERYONE by allowing the EU to pivot back to their idea of hiving off NI. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2018 10:06:09 GMT
Imagine paying some Presbyterian Creationists a billion quid and shitting yourself because they wont sign off your budget?! The difference being that Italian Governments are Treaty bound to do this. Plus there's nothing wrong with a Supply and Confidence agreement until you try and sell your partners down the river. More fool May. It's funny how Labour's for the many mantra doesn't extend to the devolved NI because they're propping up May. Money for schools, roads and other infrastructure is all we ever hear from Jezza until it's for the 'other side' then it's duplicitous. Identity politics, don't you just love it? What an odd way of looking at it, Rog. This money obviously exists, it was found in a matter of hours. Perhaps the Government have been lying to us about the need for austerity. Lets do the right thing and find a Billion quid for our other deprived regions including North Staffordshire, eh? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2018 10:16:40 GMT
So, it's not a vote of no confidence in the government because the government said it's not? No idea if they will get the budget through or not, but a British government that fails to pass a budget is in big trouble. That's fairly obvious. Well I don't disagree but No.10 are saying that there is a constitutional and legal difference between "in big trouble" and having to call a general election. From the Guardian; "As Watt [Political Editor of BBC Newsnight] says, budget votes are traditionally seen as confidence votes, and in the past losing one would trigger a general election. Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act the situation is different, and the government would have to lose a vote on an actual no confidence motion for an election to be triggered"So the Conservatives and DUP close ranks on the no confidence motion vote so that doesn't pass and there's no GE, with the understanding that May and Robbins are replaced before or after that vote. May has put herself outside EVERYONE by allowing the EU to pivot back to their idea of hiving off NI. The thought that a Government could lose a budget and win a confidence vote is pretty silly though, rog. What happens if the new budget of a new leader isn't to Union tastes either? In a way I hope it happens because the resulting Government would not have a shred of credibility and the electorate would punish them for a decade at least. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 17, 2018 10:17:32 GMT
The World awaits......
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 17, 2018 10:19:28 GMT
Well I don't disagree but No.10 are saying that there is a constitutional and legal difference between "in big trouble" and having to call a general election. From the Guardian; "As Watt [Political Editor of BBC Newsnight] says, budget votes are traditionally seen as confidence votes, and in the past losing one would trigger a general election. Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act the situation is different, and the government would have to lose a vote on an actual no confidence motion for an election to be triggered"So the Conservatives and DUP close ranks on the no confidence motion vote so that doesn't pass and there's no GE, with the understanding that May and Robbins are replaced before or after that vote. May has put herself outside EVERYONE by allowing the EU to pivot back to their idea of hiving off NI. The thought that a Government could lose a budget and win a confidence vote is pretty silly though, rog. What happens if the new budget of a new leader isn't to Union tastes either? In a way I hope it happens because the resulting Government would not have a shred of credibility and the electorate would punish them for a decade at least. Under normal circumstances you would be totally correct unfortunately for the country sadly there is no other viable alternative that would garner sufficient votes |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 17, 2018 10:29:46 GMT
Well I don't disagree but No.10 are saying that there is a constitutional and legal difference between "in big trouble" and having to call a general election. From the Guardian; "As Watt [Political Editor of BBC Newsnight] says, budget votes are traditionally seen as confidence votes, and in the past losing one would trigger a general election. Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act the situation is different, and the government would have to lose a vote on an actual no confidence motion for an election to be triggered"So the Conservatives and DUP close ranks on the no confidence motion vote so that doesn't pass and there's no GE, with the understanding that May and Robbins are replaced before or after that vote. May has put herself outside EVERYONE by allowing the EU to pivot back to their idea of hiving off NI. The thought that a Government could lose a budget and win a confidence vote is pretty silly though, rog. What happens if the new budget of a new leader isn't to Union tastes either? In a way I hope it happens because the resulting Government would not have a shred of credibility and the electorate would punish them for a decade at least. Thanks to your Jezza credibility doesn't exist anymore. 172 votes of no confidence and he's still here and "silly" isn't actually a thing. Credibility is not a thing since Labour MP's backed misogynist bully dwarf Bercow. What the Unionist's want is not be hived off during the transition and beyond. It's really simple. David Davis replaces May and say's it's a UK wide temp CU during the transition as agreed by the EU back in December 2017. We're not accepting the EU's concern that there's not enough time. Make time. You've got until March 29th. That's it. They don't want No Deal because Barnier's already squeaking about extending the transition period and NO ONE not even Sourberry and Grieve want to see different rules for different parts of the Union. Never going to happen. It just takes a modicum of backbone and clarity. May's toast. It's now coming out that she allowed Robbins to promise the UK would stay in a CU permanently.
She's done. She realised this weeks ago hence Hammond bringing forward the budget to give plotters less time to oust her. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2018 10:40:11 GMT
The thought that a Government could lose a budget and win a confidence vote is pretty silly though, rog. What happens if the new budget of a new leader isn't to Union tastes either? In a way I hope it happens because the resulting Government would not have a shred of credibility and the electorate would punish them for a decade at least. Thanks to your Jezza credibility isn't a thing anymore. 172 votes of no confidence and he's still here and "silly" isn't actually a thing. Credibility is not a thing since Labour MP's backed misogynist bully dwarf Bercow. What the Unionist's want is not be hived off during the transition and beyond. It's really simple. David Davis replaces May and say's it's a UK wide temp CU during the transition as agreed by the EU back in December 2017. We're not accepting the EU's concern that there's not enough time. Make time. You've got until March 29th. That's it. They don't want No Deal because Barnier's already squeaking about extending the transition period and NO ONE not even Sourberry and Grieve want to see different rules for different parts of the Union. Never going to happen. It just takes a modicum of backbone and clarity. May's toast. It's now coming out that she allowed Robbins to promise the UK would stay in a CU permanently.
She's done. She realised this weeks ago hence Hammond bringing forward the budget to give plotters less time to oust her. On the Bercow thing, you do know that Labour MP's don't have any say on it. Your friend, Leadsom is driving the process. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 17, 2018 10:41:06 GMT
Well I don't disagree but No.10 are saying that there is a constitutional and legal difference between "in big trouble" and having to call a general election. From the Guardian; "As Watt [Political Editor of BBC Newsnight] says, budget votes are traditionally seen as confidence votes, and in the past losing one would trigger a general election. Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act the situation is different, and the government would have to lose a vote on an actual no confidence motion for an election to be triggered"So the Conservatives and DUP close ranks on the no confidence motion vote so that doesn't pass and there's no GE, with the understanding that May and Robbins are replaced before or after that vote. May has put herself outside EVERYONE by allowing the EU to pivot back to their idea of hiving off NI. The thought that a Government could lose a budget and win a confidence vote is pretty silly though, rog. What happens if the new budget of a new leader isn't to Union tastes either? In a way I hope it happens because the resulting Government would not have a shred of credibility and the electorate would punish them for a decade at least. Special times. It's not the Government per se that's the problem. It's May and Robbins and her Brexit. Remove them, change tack on Brexit and the next election is 2022 where every MP will be on the block. Probably for their participation or lack of it during Brexit. Except Jezza of course, he'll be campaigning about Palestine or summat. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 17, 2018 10:59:55 GMT
Thanks to your Jezza credibility isn't a thing anymore. 172 votes of no confidence and he's still here and "silly" isn't actually a thing. Credibility is not a thing since Labour MP's backed misogynist bully dwarf Bercow. What the Unionist's want is not be hived off during the transition and beyond. It's really simple. David Davis replaces May and say's it's a UK wide temp CU during the transition as agreed by the EU back in December 2017. We're not accepting the EU's concern that there's not enough time. Make time. You've got until March 29th. That's it. They don't want No Deal because Barnier's already squeaking about extending the transition period and NO ONE not even Sourberry and Grieve want to see different rules for different parts of the Union. Never going to happen. It just takes a modicum of backbone and clarity. May's toast. It's now coming out that she allowed Robbins to promise the UK would stay in a CU permanently.
She's done. She realised this weeks ago hence Hammond bringing forward the budget to give plotters less time to oust her. On the Bercow thing, you do know that Labour MP's don't have any say on it. Your friend, Leadsom is driving the process. Leadsom's driving it but there are enough Labour MP's publicly declaring that Brexit is more important than the safety of female co-workers to make Bercow safe. Thornberry - LabourList.com "Now's not the time" Margaret Hodge - Brexit Trumps bad behaviour "However he failed to respond to calls to quit immediately, despite a direct challenge from Tory equalities committee chair Maria Miller." Angela Eagle: |
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Post by Gods on Oct 17, 2018 11:41:41 GMT
Just in case you think it's only those on the right of politics who support brexit. Corbyn congratulated the leave campaignBut it does help explain why there is no clear way forward. You have the global free traders on the right (Johnson/Rees Mogg/Fox etc) then you have on the left people who think the EU is a cosy big business club preventing us from implementing true socialism (Corbyn etc) and then you have those who frankly just don't much like foreigners. But there is nothing really to link the groups hence why there is no clear way forward even among the tatters of the pro brexit mob. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 17, 2018 14:00:23 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 17, 2018 14:30:25 GMT
Thanks to your Jezza credibility isn't a thing anymore. 172 votes of no confidence and he's still here and "silly" isn't actually a thing. Credibility is not a thing since Labour MP's backed misogynist bully dwarf Bercow. What the Unionist's want is not be hived off during the transition and beyond. It's really simple. David Davis replaces May and say's it's a UK wide temp CU during the transition as agreed by the EU back in December 2017. We're not accepting the EU's concern that there's not enough time. Make time. You've got until March 29th. That's it. They don't want No Deal because Barnier's already squeaking about extending the transition period and NO ONE not even Sourberry and Grieve want to see different rules for different parts of the Union. Never going to happen. It just takes a modicum of backbone and clarity. May's toast. It's now coming out that she allowed Robbins to promise the UK would stay in a CU permanently.
She's done. She realised this weeks ago hence Hammond bringing forward the budget to give plotters less time to oust her. On the Bercow thing, you do know that Labour MP's don't have any say on it. Your friend, Leadsom is driving the process. Labour position is actually now is too important time to change the speaker but we are going to try and force an election to change the government rofl. The absurdity of this position has downed and now Team Jez briefing thornberry and all speaking in their own personal capacity. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2018 14:39:41 GMT
On the Bercow thing, you do know that Labour MP's don't have any say on it. Your friend, Leadsom is driving the process. Labour position is actually now is too important time to change the speaker but we are going to try and force an election to change the government rofl. The absurdity of this position has downed and now Team Jez briefing thornberry and all speaking in their own personal capacity. And what's the Tory position on the Speaker fyd? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 18, 2018 6:15:10 GMT
Anyone who supports the EU is a cretin.
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 18, 2018 6:25:49 GMT
Anyone who supports the EU is a cretin. V Unfortunate use of an adjective |
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Post by Northy on Oct 18, 2018 6:57:59 GMT
We are not going to leave are we, we are going to be worse off.
The sad losers who cant accept democracy are marching in London at the weekend, no doubt the BBC will be all over it.
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Post by maxplonk on Oct 18, 2018 8:56:05 GMT
We are not going to leave are we, we are going to be worse off. The sad losers who cant accept democracy are marching in London at the weekend, no doubt the BBC will be all over it. This sort of "democracy"? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 8:56:17 GMT
We are not going to leave are we, we are going to be worse off. The sad losers who cant accept democracy are marching in London at the weekend, no doubt the BBC will be all over it. Was never on the cards....we voted wrong We obviously need our masters guidance |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 8:57:07 GMT
We are not going to leave are we, we are going to be worse off. The sad losers who cant accept democracy are marching in London at the weekend, no doubt the BBC will be all over it. This sort of "democracy"? What paper is peddling that one |
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Of course Labour has a plan, I imagine its a very soft Brexit, not to your liking at all but if there is an election (as there must be now), it is then incumbent on the Labour Party to reveal its full plan at that point and they will. Europe will extend A50 and we will have another go, hopefully with some more competent people at the helm.
