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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 16, 2018 13:11:59 GMT
Just can’t believe the apparent desire and glee some are getting in wanting to see this country fail; it’s shameful. I’m sure we’ve all been involved in stuff in life or work where there have been problems and people disagree, but to sit there in the corner crying and hoping it all explodes just so you can say I told you so...I don’t get it. If you aren’t part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. So what's the solution? In truth, if there was one thing that potentially could have been done to bring everyone into the tent. I would have called for a Second World War era coalition government. Bring the "best" (haha!) of the major parties together and see if anything can be hashed out. Instead, we pissed around with May's vanity snap election which blew up in her face and weakened her position considerably. That's one of the major drawbacks on the UK's negotiating side IMO. The EU laid out what there goals were right at the start....we're still thrashing around for what we want, who wants what how much etc. The drawback of this is the millions who then voted for remain literally having no one represent them in parliament based on this. But as we still don't know what Labour's position ever was/is, I'm not sure they feel much better off with a traditional "opposition". |
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Post by shangamuzo on Oct 16, 2018 13:21:39 GMT
Just can’t believe the apparent desire and glee some are getting in wanting to see this country to fail; it’s shameful. I’m sure we’ve all been involved in stuff in life or work where there have been problems and people disagree, but to sit there in the corner crying and hoping it all explodes just so you can say I told you so...I don’t get it. If you aren’t part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. I'm with Piers Morgan on this one - I would have voted to remain but the vote went the other way. The leavers knew exactly what they wanted - out of the EU. There should be a Leaver running the show and if there is no deal its a hard Brexit - that was the will of the slight majority. If Cameron had got just a bit of meaningful give out of the EU on free movement. We wouldn't be talking about brexit now,it wouldn't have happened. Even Farage himself stood up in the European Parliament and said so. They gave Cameron FUCK ALL! Remoaners call Brexiteers 'ideologues' but what the fuck are the people running the show in Brussels if not ideologues ? Federalist ideologues. |
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Post by neworleanstokie on Oct 16, 2018 13:45:51 GMT
The Leavers voted for isolation from the EU, hard border in NI, no EU passport freedom of movement etc. and all new trade deals and standards. That is BREXIT and that is why I would not have voted for it. The back/forth going on now against the back drop of tic-toc-tic-toc is as I thought pre-vote. As previously stated I feel awful for those personally impacted (as are many of my close friends) but the effect on the GBP has and continues to be a plus for me.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 16, 2018 13:45:54 GMT
Nope A50 date is unambigious 2 years from date of triggering you leave, this idea Labour would get a better deal is laughable. The EU is not moving at all and won't unless we appear serious about playing chicken with them. History will also judge corbyn's failed cynical rank opportunism harshly A50 is unambiguous and can be easily extended with agreement from the European Council and the UK Government. The current situation is that a deal is pretty much done, the outstanding issue appears to be on the irish backstop that is only needed if there is not a deal, so we don't have a deal because there is no agreement on the irish backstop that is only needed if there is no deal which we would have were it not for this backstop demand, if ever something summed up the EU perfectly this is it (wave) Barnier in his proposal for the border in the sea suggested technology was the answer, this is obviously some high tech water based technology that wouldn't work if it was on land at the actual border. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2018 13:51:03 GMT
A50 is unambiguous and can be easily extended with agreement from the European Council and the UK Government. The current situation is that a deal is pretty much done, the outstanding issue appears to be on the irish backstop that is only needed if there is not a deal, so we don't have a deal because there is no agreement on the irish backstop that is only needed if there is no deal which we would have were it not for this backstop demand, if ever something summed up the EU perfectly this is it (wave) Barnier in his proposal for the border in the sea suggested technology was the answer, this is obviously some high tech water based technology that wouldn't work if it was on land at the actual border. Yeah, May must be absolutely livid with whoever was Prime Minister when they agreed to the backstop last December.  You can throw anger around at the EU, remoaners, even the Labour Party if that makes you feel better but the reason Brexit is a failure is down to one thing and one thing only. The blazing incompetence and bumbling idiocy of this horrific government. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 16, 2018 13:57:03 GMT
So Labour win a general election and say what? Hang on EU, we need more time to get our shit together because for the last two and half years we haven't actually put any Brexit plan together. And they say what? Yeah sure, no probs. We'll give you 6 months or a year to sort yourselves out then you can come back at us with a tough negotiating stance.  Or, they say, tough shit you've got exactly 5 months before WTO kicks in but if you want to get into the 'transition period' to secure more time then we'll screw you to the wall with more concessions first.  mmm of course your paranoid view of the world depends entirely on why you feel the negotiations have been so fucking disastrous. Let me guess dodge, it's those pesky Europeans isn't it?  No, I think the EU have played it exactly how everyone thought they would. They just can't believe their luck that Olly Robbins has convinced May he knows what he's doing and she's a remainer at heart so has enabled us to get into this state. But I'll ask you again, why would the European Council agree to extend A50 if Corbyn came to power without a Brexit plan? Why would they do that? |
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Post by 3putts on Oct 16, 2018 14:02:28 GMT
Just can’t believe the apparent desire and glee some are getting in wanting to see this country fail; it’s shameful. I’m sure we’ve all been involved in stuff in life or work where there have been problems and people disagree, but to sit there in the corner crying and hoping it all explodes just so you can say I told you so...I don’t get it. If you aren’t part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. It's because we care so much for our country that we are against the stupidity of brexit its madness. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2018 14:04:22 GMT
mmm of course your paranoid view of the world depends entirely on why you feel the negotiations have been so fucking disastrous. Let me guess dodge, it's those pesky Europeans isn't it? No, I think the EU have played it exactly how everyone thought they would. They just can't believe their luck that Olly Robbins has convinced May he knows what he's doing and she's a remainer at heart so has enabled us to get into this state. But I'll ask you again, why would the European Council agree to extend A50 if Corbyn came to power without a Brexit plan? Why would they do that? Because I don't think no deal is in their interests and they would feel an obligation to extend if there was a change of Government. There's no need for a 'punishment' Brexit from Europe's point of view. Unless an openly anti European party is elected domestically, no moderate Government is going to think about leaving any time soon. Not after they've seen our bumbling efforts at doing so. |
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Post by pearo on Oct 16, 2018 14:12:07 GMT
Just can’t believe the apparent desire and glee some are getting in wanting to see this country fail; it’s shameful. I’m sure we’ve all been involved in stuff in life or work where there have been problems and people disagree, but to sit there in the corner crying and hoping it all explodes just so you can say I told you so...I don’t get it. If you aren’t part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. It's because we care so much for our country that we are against the stupidity of brexit its madness. Do the 17million plus people who voted Brexit not care for the country, some of them can remember how good it was before we joined, or are they all stupid? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 16, 2018 14:28:35 GMT
The current situation is that a deal is pretty much done, the outstanding issue appears to be on the irish backstop that is only needed if there is not a deal, so we don't have a deal because there is no agreement on the irish backstop that is only needed if there is no deal which we would have were it not for this backstop demand, if ever something summed up the EU perfectly this is it (wave) Barnier in his proposal for the border in the sea suggested technology was the answer, this is obviously some high tech water based technology that wouldn't work if it was on land at the actual border. Yeah, May must be absolutely livid with whoever was Prime Minister when they agreed to the backstop last December. You can throw anger around at the EU, remoaners, even the Labour Party if that makes you feel better but the reason Brexit is a failure is down to one thing and one thing only. The blazing incompetence and bumbling idiocy of this horrific government. Nail on the head The government should of told the Eu to piss off six months ago Walked away with no deal |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 16, 2018 14:30:40 GMT
No, I think the EU have played it exactly how everyone thought they would. They just can't believe their luck that Olly Robbins has convinced May he knows what he's doing and she's a remainer at heart so has enabled us to get into this state. But I'll ask you again, why would the European Council agree to extend A50 if Corbyn came to power without a Brexit plan? Why would they do that? Because I don't think no deal is in their interests and they would feel an obligation to extend if there was a change of Government. There's no need for a 'punishment' Brexit from Europe's point of view. Unless an openly anti European party is elected domestically, no moderate Government is going to think about leaving any time soon. Not after they've seen our bumbling efforts at doing so. Are you smoking crack? You're correct in that No Deal doesn't suit the EU which is why it needs to be front and centre on the table to focus their minds. They have zero 'obligation' to extend and they won't. A punishment for the UK is EXACTLY what has been proposed many, many times from Macron down to EU media. But I'm not bothered what they think, feel or want. I want the UK to present the best deal for us. I want the UK to cherry pick the fuck out of it and if the EU don't accept that then we negotiate to point that we feel is reasonable. If they can't even meet us there then we leave under WTO. What do you mean "no moderate Government is going to think about leaving anytime soon" ???? We're leaving. We had a referendum. ALL MP's debated and voted to give us a referendum. ALL MP's debated and voted to trigger A50. Are you saying that Corbyn would get elected between now and March, give the EU his Magic Grandpa schtick and say he wants a friendly Brexit, they'd feel sorry for him and pause A50 while he got his plan together and hey who knows maybe we wouldn't have to leave after all because this was just a nasty Tory idea right? Is that Labour's plan? |
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 16, 2018 14:40:27 GMT
Just can’t believe the apparent desire and glee some are getting in wanting to see this country fail; it’s shameful. I’m sure we’ve all been involved in stuff in life or work where there have been problems and people disagree, but to sit there in the corner crying and hoping it all explodes just so you can say I told you so...I don’t get it. If you aren’t part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. It's because we care so much for our country that we are against the stupidity of brexit its madness. In your opinion,which many will support and many will disagree with. The bottom line is that we are where we are, whichever position you look at it from, and referring to things as stupid or madness will only put another sides back up, just as it would yours if someone said staying in the EU was stupid or madness. Both sides have to work out what is in the country’s best interest as no one side has the higher morale ground or monopoly on this position,as much as they would like to think they do. There is too much pulling in opposite directions on both sides and common ground must be found;disrespecting or dismissing another sides view isn’t going to be helpful in progressing forward. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2018 14:42:41 GMT
Because I don't think no deal is in their interests and they would feel an obligation to extend if there was a change of Government. There's no need for a 'punishment' Brexit from Europe's point of view. Unless an openly anti European party is elected domestically, no moderate Government is going to think about leaving any time soon. Not after they've seen our bumbling efforts at doing so. Are you smoking crack? You're correct in that No Deal doesn't suit the EU which is why it needs to be front and centre on the table to focus their minds. They have zero 'obligation' to extend and they won't. A punishment for the UK is EXACTLY what has been proposed many, many times from Macron down to EU media. But I'm not bothered what they think, feel or want. I want the UK to present the best deal for us. I want the UK to cherry pick the fuck out of it and if the EU don't accept that then we negotiate to point that we feel is reasonable. If they can't even meet us there then we leave under WTO. What do you mean "no moderate Government is going to think about leaving anytime soon" ???? We're leaving. We had a referendum. ALL MP's debated and voted to give us a referendum. ALL MP's debated and voted to trigger A50. Are you saying that Corbyn would get elected between now and March, give the EU his Magic Grandpa schtick and say he wants a friendly Brexit, they'd feel sorry for him and pause A50 while he got his plan together and hey who knows maybe we wouldn't have to leave after all because this was just a nasty Tory idea right? Is that Labour's plan? You do think it's all down to those pesky Europeans, Rog don't you?  Of course Labour has a plan, I imagine its a very soft Brexit, not to your liking at all but if there is an election (as there must be now), it is then incumbent on the Labour Party to reveal its full plan at that point and they will. Europe will extend A50 and we will have another go, hopefully with some more competent people at the helm. |
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 16, 2018 14:48:19 GMT
Are you smoking crack? You're correct in that No Deal doesn't suit the EU which is why it needs to be front and centre on the table to focus their minds. They have zero 'obligation' to extend and they won't. A punishment for the UK is EXACTLY what has been proposed many, many times from Macron down to EU media. But I'm not bothered what they think, feel or want. I want the UK to present the best deal for us. I want the UK to cherry pick the fuck out of it and if the EU don't accept that then we negotiate to point that we feel is reasonable. If they can't even meet us there then we leave under WTO. What do you mean "no moderate Government is going to think about leaving anytime soon" ???? We're leaving. We had a referendum. ALL MP's debated and voted to give us a referendum. ALL MP's debated and voted to trigger A50. Are you saying that Corbyn would get elected between now and March, give the EU his Magic Grandpa schtick and say he wants a friendly Brexit, they'd feel sorry for him and pause A50 while he got his plan together and hey who knows maybe we wouldn't have to leave after all because this was just a nasty Tory idea right? Is that Labour's plan? You do think it's all down to those pesky Europeans, Rog don't you? Of course Labour has a plan, I imagine its a very soft Brexit, not to your liking at all but if there is an election (as there must be now), it is then incumbent on the Labour Party to reveal its full plan at that point and they will. Europe will extend A50 and we will have another go, hopefully with some more competent people at the helm. Soft brexit would be a disaster, better to just stay as we are , |
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Post by pearo on Oct 16, 2018 14:56:49 GMT
Are you smoking crack? You're correct in that No Deal doesn't suit the EU which is why it needs to be front and centre on the table to focus their minds. They have zero 'obligation' to extend and they won't. A punishment for the UK is EXACTLY what has been proposed many, many times from Macron down to EU media. But I'm not bothered what they think, feel or want. I want the UK to present the best deal for us. I want the UK to cherry pick the fuck out of it and if the EU don't accept that then we negotiate to point that we feel is reasonable. If they can't even meet us there then we leave under WTO. What do you mean "no moderate Government is going to think about leaving anytime soon" ???? We're leaving. We had a referendum. ALL MP's debated and voted to give us a referendum. ALL MP's debated and voted to trigger A50. Are you saying that Corbyn would get elected between now and March, give the EU his Magic Grandpa schtick and say he wants a friendly Brexit, they'd feel sorry for him and pause A50 while he got his plan together and hey who knows maybe we wouldn't have to leave after all because this was just a nasty Tory idea right? Is that Labour's plan? You do think it's all down to those pesky Europeans, Rog don't you? Of course Labour has a plan, I imagine its a very soft Brexit, not to your liking at all but if there is an election (as there must be now), it is then incumbent on the Labour Party to reveal its full plan at that point and they will. Europe will extend A50 and we will have another go, hopefully with some more competent people at the helm. If as you predict there is a general election before March and therefore by implication Leave has not been implemented then there will only be one outcome. Nigel Farage and UKIP will galvanise the Leave vote in all those constituancies that voted leave to give him a massive influence post election and the Leave that has so far been denied the nation will be delivered post haste. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2018 14:59:27 GMT
You do think it's all down to those pesky Europeans, Rog don't you? Of course Labour has a plan, I imagine its a very soft Brexit, not to your liking at all but if there is an election (as there must be now), it is then incumbent on the Labour Party to reveal its full plan at that point and they will. Europe will extend A50 and we will have another go, hopefully with some more competent people at the helm. If as you predict there is a general election before March and therefore by implication Leave has not been implemented then there will only be one outcome. Nigel Farage and UKIP will galvanise the Leave vote in all those constituancies that voted leave to give him a massive influence post election and the Leave that has so far been denied the nation will be delivered post haste. Certainly could happen that way. There has to be an election though. Simply has to. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2018 15:00:25 GMT
You do think it's all down to those pesky Europeans, Rog don't you? Of course Labour has a plan, I imagine its a very soft Brexit, not to your liking at all but if there is an election (as there must be now), it is then incumbent on the Labour Party to reveal its full plan at that point and they will. Europe will extend A50 and we will have another go, hopefully with some more competent people at the helm. Soft brexit would be a disaster, better to just stay as we are , I don't massively disagree. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 16, 2018 16:39:10 GMT
If as you predict there is a general election before March and therefore by implication Leave has not been implemented then there will only be one outcome. Nigel Farage and UKIP will galvanise the Leave vote in all those constituancies that voted leave to give him a massive influence post election and the Leave that has so far been denied the nation will be delivered post haste. Certainly could happen that way. There has to be an election though. Simply has to. There simply doesn't though. Fixed Term Parliament Act and all that. May struggling with Brexit has no bearing on a general election as much as you might want it to. Even if May is toppled that won't necessarily trigger a GE just a change of Conservative leader. Maybe. She's vowed to fight on. It could be May's Brexit or Johnson's orJavid's or David Davis' but Brexit it is. Labour and the DUP ran under Brexit manifesto's. 85% of all voters voted for a Brexit backing party. The Lib Dems vote share went down. Labour's chance to negotiate Brexit was last year and Corbyn lost. There's zero reason for the EU to give any new Prime Minister more time whether that's Corbyn or Priti Patel. There's noises now that even if Brexit was reversed then the UK rebate could be lost. You make the classic tunnel visioned mistake thinking Brexit is a Tory construct and a Tory project. We've had two general elections in '15 and '17 and the Conservatives won both with a Brexit manifesto. We had the referendum and voters across the political spectrum voted Leave. There have been two votes in the HoC to offer the referendum and trigger A50 and both had massive majorities. Labour have completely dropped the ball on Brexit. This idea that there's any grace or goodwill is for the birds. Labour's barmy 6 tests read like a 7 year old's party political broadcast. It's a checklist that the UK and the EU have moved on from. Miles from. The most important game in town for the next 6 months to 2 years is Brexit and Labour aren't in the same building never mind the same room or at the same table. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 16, 2018 16:48:08 GMT
Are you smoking crack? You're correct in that No Deal doesn't suit the EU which is why it needs to be front and centre on the table to focus their minds. They have zero 'obligation' to extend and they won't. A punishment for the UK is EXACTLY what has been proposed many, many times from Macron down to EU media. But I'm not bothered what they think, feel or want. I want the UK to present the best deal for us. I want the UK to cherry pick the fuck out of it and if the EU don't accept that then we negotiate to point that we feel is reasonable. If they can't even meet us there then we leave under WTO. What do you mean "no moderate Government is going to think about leaving anytime soon" ???? We're leaving. We had a referendum. ALL MP's debated and voted to give us a referendum. ALL MP's debated and voted to trigger A50. Are you saying that Corbyn would get elected between now and March, give the EU his Magic Grandpa schtick and say he wants a friendly Brexit, they'd feel sorry for him and pause A50 while he got his plan together and hey who knows maybe we wouldn't have to leave after all because this was just a nasty Tory idea right? Is that Labour's plan? You do think it's all down to those pesky Europeans, Rog don't you? Of course Labour has a plan, I imagine its a very soft Brexit, not to your liking at all but if there is an election (as there must be now), it is then incumbent on the Labour Party to reveal its full plan at that point and they will. Europe will extend A50 and we will have another go, hopefully with some more competent people at the helm. |
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Post by tuum on Oct 16, 2018 16:53:36 GMT
Count me out Yeokel. I won't be helping to build backward-looking Brexit Britain. What a pathetic, self righteous attitude. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 16, 2018 17:02:55 GMT
Count me out Yeokel. I won't be helping to build backward-looking Brexit Britain. Have a nice time when you piss off Any chance you can take some of the other remain wingers with you Oh a don’t forget not to come back when you can’t piss of your own accord for the free nhs |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2018 17:43:55 GMT
In truth, if there was one thing that potentially could have been done to bring everyone into the tent. I would have called for a Second World War era coalition government. Bring the "best" (haha!) of the major parties together and see if anything can be hashed out. Instead, we pissed around with May's vanity snap election which blew up in her face and weakened her position considerably. That's one of the major drawbacks on the UK's negotiating side IMO. The EU laid out what there goals were right at the start....we're still thrashing around for what we want, who wants what how much etc. The drawback of this is the millions who then voted for remain literally having no one represent them in parliament based on this. But as we still don't know what Labour's position ever was/is, I'm not sure they feel much better off with a traditional "opposition". estranged I sincerely think that your last 3 posts have been excellent in my opinion. I totally agree that from day one following the Referendum a cross party / non Party/ not necessarily politicians working group should have been set up to deliver BREXIT and their objective/ mantra should have been " BREXIT means BREXIT"... totally out, an independent, sovereign country. Where we perhaps disagree.....I do believe that the common denominator between the Brexit voters was that very thing, Patriotism, Independence, Sovereignty. secondly ....the problem has been that, largely, the current crop of politicians and May don't actually believe in BREXIT and would even go as far as undermining it , thereby undermining the will of the people.,...so it was difficult for a " believer" to step forward......Leadson lost the leadership battle and the Boris/ Gove cock up ( or deliberate act?) meant that a non Brexiteer could take the reins. People like Farage or Rees Mogg who , in my opinion, would have delivered a cleaner, clearer real BREXIT were not in the equation . I am absolutely certain that if Farage was/ could have been offered the task he would have taken it on. This will get derided at present on here but , in one sense, to leave is fairly simple, if the country leaving asserts itself ( which we haven't) ....it is the separate issue of " Having a deal" that is ( deliberately in my opinion) causing the problems. They are two separate things.....it is not compulsory to be a member of the EU, it is permissible to leave and to be an independent country that can and does trade with European countries. Finally where we disagree......I am glad that you have made the analogy with the second world war..,...I have said many times that this is what the issue really is.....who governs Britain, who controls our Borders, democracy, self rule, economic and political union.For me that is the goal and what the vote was about and what is worth fighting for .NO MATTER HOW DIFFICULT. I had said before the Referendum that it will take us 10 years to fully entwine ourselves from Ever Closer Union, achieved through deceit and Stealth ( thanks to a different EE poster for that description, must look back to who originally said it.... unless he/ she could remind me).... just like the second world war there are times when some people believe that they have to fight for what is right even if it is difficult or seems impossible. I think that the first part of the Attorney General's speech sums that argument up. ( mind, I only agree with the first part of what he says, up to when his loyalty to May takes over) I would add, I have a friend who was the head of the legal Secretariat of the UK( or similar title) , who is a sincere , humble, gentle man, who I first met in Brussels.. A firm Remainer and believer in the EU. We have managed to discuss ( or perhaps avoid) the issue and Remain friends. In one of our " general" discussion s, BEFORE the Referendum, when things were not so heated/ entrenched/ serious/ divided, he said to me, in a matter of fact sort of way, " The UK will not be allowed to leave the EU".....for me this confirmed that I was correct to want OUT |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2018 17:58:07 GMT
Certainly could happen that way. There has to be an election though. Simply has to. There simply doesn't though. Fixed Term Parliament Act and all that. May struggling with Brexit has no bearing on a general election as much as you might want it to. Even if May is toppled that won't necessarily trigger a GE just a change of Conservative leader. Maybe. She's vowed to fight on. It could be May's Brexit or Johnson's orJavid's or David Davis' but Brexit it is. Labour and the DUP ran under Brexit manifesto's. 85% of all voters voted for a Brexit backing party. The Lib Dems vote share went down. Labour's chance to negotiate Brexit was last year and Corbyn lost. There's zero reason for the EU to give any new Prime Minister more time whether that's Corbyn or Priti Patel. There's noises now that even if Brexit was reversed then the UK rebate could be lost. You make the classic tunnel visioned mistake thinking Brexit is a Tory construct and a Tory project. We've had two general elections in '15 and '17 and the Conservatives won both with a Brexit manifesto. We had the referendum and voters across the political spectrum voted Leave. There have been two votes in the HoC to offer the referendum and trigger A50 and both had massive majorities. Labour have completely dropped the ball on Brexit. This idea that there's any grace or goodwill is for the birds. Labour's barmy 6 tests read like a 7 year old's party political broadcast. It's a checklist that the UK and the EU have moved on from. Miles from. The most important game in town for the next 6 months to 2 years is Brexit and Labour aren't in the same building never mind the same room or at the same table. Fixed Term Parliament Act?!?!? Fuck me drunk! Don't make me laugh, rog! Are you really claiming that after what happened in April 2017 when the duplicitous, shameless opportunist, May shot herself in the foot! It means nothing. It especially means nothing when the Presbyterian Creationists who you gave a million quid to vote down your budget because you can't accept the backstop YOU agreed to last December!! The Thick of It would kick out the story of this Government on the grounds of it being too ridiculous and the characters being too far fetched!  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2018 19:18:33 GMT
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Post by ravey123 on Oct 16, 2018 19:43:58 GMT
You do think it's all down to those pesky Europeans, Rog don't you? Of course Labour has a plan, I imagine its a very soft Brexit, not to your liking at all but if there is an election (as there must be now), it is then incumbent on the Labour Party to reveal its full plan at that point and they will. Europe will extend A50 and we will have another go, hopefully with some more competent people at the helm. If as you predict there is a general election before March and therefore by implication Leave has not been implemented then there will only be one outcome. Nigel Farage and UKIP will galvanise the Leave vote in all those constituancies that voted leave to give him a massive influence post election and the Leave that has so far been denied the nation will be delivered post haste. Been thinking this re UKIP/Farage for a while |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2018 19:59:47 GMT
Imagine paying some Presbyterian Creationists a billion quid and shitting yourself because they wont sign off your budget?! |
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 16, 2018 20:08:41 GMT
Count me out Yeokel. I won't be helping to build backward-looking Brexit Britain. Have a nice time when you piss off Any chance you can take some of the other remain wingers with you Oh a don’t forget not to come back when you can’t piss of your own accord for the free nhs These remain wingers,are they left wingers or right wingers |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 16, 2018 20:11:43 GMT
There simply doesn't though. Fixed Term Parliament Act and all that. May struggling with Brexit has no bearing on a general election as much as you might want it to. Even if May is toppled that won't necessarily trigger a GE just a change of Conservative leader. Maybe. She's vowed to fight on. It could be May's Brexit or Johnson's orJavid's or David Davis' but Brexit it is. Labour and the DUP ran under Brexit manifesto's. 85% of all voters voted for a Brexit backing party. The Lib Dems vote share went down. Labour's chance to negotiate Brexit was last year and Corbyn lost. There's zero reason for the EU to give any new Prime Minister more time whether that's Corbyn or Priti Patel. There's noises now that even if Brexit was reversed then the UK rebate could be lost. You make the classic tunnel visioned mistake thinking Brexit is a Tory construct and a Tory project. We've had two general elections in '15 and '17 and the Conservatives won both with a Brexit manifesto. We had the referendum and voters across the political spectrum voted Leave. There have been two votes in the HoC to offer the referendum and trigger A50 and both had massive majorities. Labour have completely dropped the ball on Brexit. This idea that there's any grace or goodwill is for the birds. Labour's barmy 6 tests read like a 7 year old's party political broadcast. It's a checklist that the UK and the EU have moved on from. Miles from. The most important game in town for the next 6 months to 2 years is Brexit and Labour aren't in the same building never mind the same room or at the same table. Fixed Term Parliament Act?!?!? Fuck me drunk! Don't make me laugh, rog! Are you really claiming that after what happened in April 2017 when the duplicitous, shameless opportunist, May shot herself in the foot! It means nothing. It especially means nothing when the Presbyterian Creationists who you gave a million quid to vote down your budget because you can't accept the backstop YOU agreed to last December!! The Thick of It would kick out the story of this Government on the grounds of it being too ridiculous and the characters being too far fetched! Just plain wrong. Again. May won't call an election. Why would she? May and the EU agreed a UK wide backstop last December. Read the text. It's the EU who are now saying there not enough time for the UK wide plan so they want to swivel back to their NI only plan. I know you lot don't do facts but at least try to Keep up. Anyway, what did you think about your Labour MP's ignoring Bercow's misogynist bullying because they want him to thwart Brexit. Solidarity eh sisters? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2018 20:31:31 GMT
Fixed Term Parliament Act?!?!? Fuck me drunk! Don't make me laugh, rog! Are you really claiming that after what happened in April 2017 when the duplicitous, shameless opportunist, May shot herself in the foot! It means nothing. It especially means nothing when the Presbyterian Creationists who you gave a million quid to vote down your budget because you can't accept the backstop YOU agreed to last December!! The Thick of It would kick out the story of this Government on the grounds of it being too ridiculous and the characters being too far fetched! Just plain wrong. Again. May won't call an election. Why would she? May and the EU agreed a UK wide backstop last December. Read the text. It's the EU who are now saying there not enough time for the UK wide plan so they want to swivel back to their NI only plan. I know you lot don't do facts but at least try to Keep up. Anyway, what did you think about your Labour MP's ignoring Bercow's misogynist bullying because they want him to thwart Brexit. Solidarity eh sisters? If you can't pass your budget that is not a vote of no confidence in the leader of the party it is a vote of no confidence in the Government and an election will follow. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 16, 2018 20:32:29 GMT
Imagine paying some Presbyterian Creationists a billion quid and shitting yourself because they wont sign off your budget?! I imagine that might be equally as bad Sheikh, no worse mind! |
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Of course Labour has a plan, I imagine its a very soft Brexit, not to your liking at all but if there is an election (as there must be now), it is then incumbent on the Labour Party to reveal its full plan at that point and they will. Europe will extend A50 and we will have another go, hopefully with some more competent people at the helm.
