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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2018 13:35:12 GMT
This is of course the first known case of the pounds exchange rate ever moving or the cost of living going up (hint because of inflation it always does !!!), however lets go back to the actual predictions a vote to leave would trigger an immediate recession, a massive rise in unemployment and a punishment budget raising taxes these of course you ignore these but claim the same people are right in the forecasts because the exchange rate has moved. Some news on your favourite album  www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-clutching-at-straws-reissue/ Cameron couldn't persuade us to stay in with the entire establishment on his side. But I give him great credit for giving us a Referendum-lousy Labour would never have given us one. He didn’t have the entire establishment on his side! What about Gove, Farage, Rees-Mogg, Dacre, Lord Rothermere, Murdoch, Boris etc. The establishment was split down the middle. |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 9, 2018 13:54:25 GMT
This is of course the first known case of the pounds exchange rate ever moving or the cost of living going up (hint because of inflation it always does !!!), however lets go back to the actual predictions a vote to leave would trigger an immediate recession, a massive rise in unemployment and a punishment budget raising taxes these of course you ignore these but claim the same people are right in the forecasts because the exchange rate has moved. Some news on your favourite album www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-clutching-at-straws-reissue/ Absolutely. There were some outrageous claims by Osborne in particular which served to completely undermine the remain argument. But the economic trends of Brexit = bad for the economy has been correct. You’re ignoring the real world if you say otherwise. And remember, we haven’t even left yet so the outcome is yet to be seen. Why do you think inflation jumped out of interest? If you think it had nothing to do with the vote and massive drop in the value of the pound, you are again ignoring the real world. These outrageous claims were backed up by predictions and forecasts from the same people who did the brexit analysis you hang your hat on. And again the claims were not it was bad for the economy, the claims were it would be catastrophic for the economy, just like not joining the Euro how did that work out ? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2018 14:03:11 GMT
Absolutely. There were some outrageous claims by Osborne in particular which served to completely undermine the remain argument. But the economic trends of Brexit = bad for the economy has been correct. You’re ignoring the real world if you say otherwise. And remember, we haven’t even left yet so the outcome is yet to be seen. Why do you think inflation jumped out of interest? If you think it had nothing to do with the vote and massive drop in the value of the pound, you are again ignoring the real world. These outrageous claims were backed up by predictions and forecasts from the same people who did the brexit analysis you hang your hat on. And again the claims were not it was bad for the economy, the claims were it would be catastrophic for the economy, just like not joining the Euro how did that work out ? You don’t trust the numerous experts who correctly predicted an economic downturn because of the vote and who have also predicted fairly gloomy forecasts for the next decade or so, mostly down to Brexit. I get that. But you’d still see a doctor if you had a health problem I bet. |
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 9, 2018 14:57:10 GMT
These outrageous claims were backed up by predictions and forecasts from the same people who did the brexit analysis you hang your hat on. And again the claims were not it was bad for the economy, the claims were it would be catastrophic for the economy, just like not joining the Euro how did that work out ? You don’t trust the numerous experts who correctly predicted an economic downturn because of the vote and who have also predicted fairly gloomy forecasts for the next decade or so, mostly down to Brexit. I get that. But you’d still see a doctor if you had a health problem I bet. The only negative for the economy in regards to brexit is the inevitable uncertainties that our disentanglement from the EU will create . in a year or two people will be asking what all the fuss was about |
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 9, 2018 15:19:06 GMT
This is of course the first known case of the pounds exchange rate ever moving or the cost of living going up (hint because of inflation it always does !!!), however lets go back to the actual predictions a vote to leave would trigger an immediate recession, a massive rise in unemployment and a punishment budget raising taxes these of course you ignore these but claim the same people are right in the forecasts because the exchange rate has moved. Some news on your favourite album www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-clutching-at-straws-reissue/ Absolutely. There were some outrageous claims by Osborne in particular which served to completely undermine the remain argument. But the economic trends of Brexit = bad for the economy has been correct. You’re ignoring the real world if you say otherwise. And remember, we haven’t even left yet so the outcome is yet to be seen. Why do you think inflation jumped out of interest? If you think it had nothing to do with the vote and massive drop in the value of the pound, you are again ignoring the real world. I think you are flogging a dead horse Oggy ,you can lead a person to wisdom but you can`t make him think  |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 9, 2018 15:28:21 GMT
The freedom to make our laws by the elected government of this country directly elected by the electorate of this country Any disputes settled in this country by judges appointed by this country The right to trade with who we want when we want The right to allow who we wish into the country levels set by this country The right to set economic foreign and defence policy for the interest of the electorate of this country and not the European project This is freedom I am British not European Ok, so I have some great news for you......we have all of that right now. Have you been on magic mushrooms or some other mind altering substances How can we decide who enters the country when anyone holding a Eu passport can waltz in on there own accord How can we decide to trade with Japan with zero tariffs How is justice given by this country when the ultimate decision is with the European court of justice Why can’t we Choose what fish we catch in our waters Guess what we can’t at the current time we are nothing other than a pawn in the Eu game of chess Paying in playing by the rules and getting the square root of sod all out |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 9, 2018 17:04:16 GMT
Ok, so I have some great news for you......we have all of that right now. Have you been on magic mushrooms or some other mind altering substances How can we decide who enters the country when anyone holding a Eu passport can waltz in on there own accord How can we decide to trade with Japan with zero tariffs How is justice given by this country when the ultimate decision is with the European court of justice Why can’t we Choose what fish we catch in our waters Guess what we can’t at the current time we are nothing other than a pawn in the Eu game of chess Paying in playing by the rules and getting the square root of sod all out I think it is appropriate to repost this left wing speech by Peter Shore before the 75 Referendum. It could easily have been made before the 2016 Referendum, little positive argument for the EU. It is interesting to note that most of the Remain arguments were the same, based on fear, the Leave arguments democracy.. and the Labour party was Eurosceptic |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 9, 2018 17:12:15 GMT
EDITORIAL | There is no ‘deal’, Leavers. Do you actually understand this - and what it means to you? We are only negotiating a Withdrawal Agreement (WA) as per Article 50. No trade deal can be negotiated before we leave on March 29 next year. That is against EU rules. The ‘trade’ part is only a non-legally document about intent. Intent can change and is not binding in any shape or form. It can be discarded without consequences. The EU is only negotiating to secure three things. The exit bill, citizens’ rights - and a guarantee that there will never be - whatever happens in any subsequent trade negotiation - a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. Once achieved, their primary job is done. Once these three things are secured in a transition period where the UK will agree to follow all regulatory and trade rules of the EU, staying within its economic structures, including making no separate trade deals, without any political say on these, there is no reason for the EU push for any trade deals or speed up future negotiations. We will be within its previous economic trade zone, paying our dues, under jurisdiction of its court, but we are powerless to influence anything anymore. We’re like a servant, quietly doing what we are told, with no right to speak. Once a master, now a slave. On the contrary, their motivation will be the opposite to work fast. The now third-country, troublesome UK is tied into all its economic structures - like we never left - but without any say in any political decisions. Dragging out negotiation on trade, keeping the status quo, will be a goal in itself. Again, as the UK is the supplicant in the negotiations, the EU being the more powerful trading bloc and the EU having secured its Ireland backstop guarantee, it cannot lose. The UK will already have shown it cannot walk away without a trade deal and leave the regulatory and agency controls which intertwine the trade between itself and the EU. We have lost all control. The EU has gained full control. You knew what you voted for, Leavers, right? Because you actually understood how Article 50 works? We didn’t think so. This is what your own masters call being an ‘EU colony’ or ‘vassal-state’. You created this by your impatience to trigger Article 50 (which you didn’t understand) and by your delusion of the power balance between the EU and the UK (which you were lied to about). This is why Theresa May is desperate to get something concrete on trade to sign the WA - but can’t, as it is not legally binding or enforceable after March 29 2019. Theresa May has incredulously screwed up the Brexit for you. First she triggered Article 50 without a plan or preparation. Then she proceeded to negotiate with a divided party and parliament which has no idea what Brexit it wants, insulting the EU and its citizens in the process with comparisons to USSR, Nazis and citizens of nowhere. Finally she procrastinated so long that she has run out of time and must give in on red lines as deadlines loom. The only alternative to this is to walk away without a deal. Even the Government knows that this is not tenable and a solution we can pursue (we know this through leaks and by its own desperate disposal of red lines, whenever it has to). A No Deal will also simply not pass Parliament. The only Brexit on offer to you, Leavers, is this ‘EU colony’ or ‘vassal-state’ option. Either by accepting single market and customs union membership straight away so a trade deal can be quickly made, or by staying in the economic structures in the transition deal for many years, without any Brexit benefits or global trade deals and with continued economic uncertainty eating away the financial position of UK plc (read: your jobs) as we grow weaker and weaker and more supplicatory to the EU. This is your legacy, Leavers. You won the referendum but you’re losing Brexit to your worst nightmare; a Stay, Pay and Obey outcome - because the odds were always impossible against the clueless no-plan snake oil salesmen you listened to and your folly in believing them. Can you see it yet? We doubt it. But you can happily prove us all wrong by starting to think before it’s too late. - Page Editor www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1100259323477021&id=917561391746816&__tn__=K-R |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 9, 2018 17:19:40 GMT
These outrageous claims were backed up by predictions and forecasts from the same people who did the brexit analysis you hang your hat on. And again the claims were not it was bad for the economy, the claims were it would be catastrophic for the economy, just like not joining the Euro how did that work out ? You don’t trust the numerous experts who correctly predicted an economic downturn because of the vote and who have also predicted fairly gloomy forecasts for the next decade or so, mostly down to Brexit. I get that. But you’d still see a doctor if you had a health problem I bet. Nothing like Brexit has ever happened before so it is actually impossible to be an expert on predicting what will happen next, again the forecast they got correct is according to you is a downtown due to a change in inflation and currency exchange rates, not the immediate recession, punishment budget, rise in unemployment even if you accept these experts are right, its a bit like someone predicting you will die at 85 and when they get knocked down by a bus the next proclaiming I told you they would die....... As the saying goes, An economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday didn't happen today. Oh look another correct prediction for the brexiters it seems |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 9, 2018 17:24:36 GMT
Ok, so I have some great news for you......we have all of that right now. Have you been on magic mushrooms or some other mind altering substances How can we decide who enters the country when anyone holding a Eu passport can waltz in on there own accord How can we decide to trade with Japan with zero tariffs How is justice given by this country when the ultimate decision is with the European court of justice Why can’t we Choose what fish we catch in our waters Guess what we can’t at the current time we are nothing other than a pawn in the Eu game of chess Paying in playing by the rules and getting the square root of sod all out And Wagsa It seems that the Attorney General, the top legal power in the country, agrees with you.... worth listening to for the value of delivering a speech. ( I don't necessarily agree with the second part of his speech mind) |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 9, 2018 17:27:40 GMT
EDITORIAL | There is no ‘deal’, Leavers. Do you actually understand this - and what it means to you? We are only negotiating a Withdrawal Agreement (WA) as per Article 50. No trade deal can be negotiated before we leave on March 29 next year. That is against EU rules. The ‘trade’ part is only a non-legally document about intent. Intent can change and is not binding in any shape or form. It can be discarded without consequences. The EU is only negotiating to secure three things. The exit bill, citizens’ rights - and a guarantee that there will never be - whatever happens in any subsequent trade negotiation - a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. Once achieved, their primary job is done. Once these three things are secured in a transition period where the UK will agree to follow all regulatory and trade rules of the EU, staying within its economic structures, including making no separate trade deals, without any political say on these, there is no reason for the EU push for any trade deals or speed up future negotiations. We will be within its previous economic trade zone, paying our dues, under jurisdiction of its court, but we are powerless to influence anything anymore. We’re like a servant, quietly doing what we are told, with no right to speak. Once a master, now a slave. On the contrary, their motivation will be the opposite to work fast. The now third-country, troublesome UK is tied into all its economic structures - like we never left - but without any say in any political decisions. Dragging out negotiation on trade, keeping the status quo, will be a goal in itself. Again, as the UK is the supplicant in the negotiations, the EU being the more powerful trading bloc and the EU having secured its Ireland backstop guarantee, it cannot lose. The UK will already have shown it cannot walk away without a trade deal and leave the regulatory and agency controls which intertwine the trade between itself and the EU. We have lost all control. The EU has gained full control. You knew what you voted for, Leavers, right? Because you actually understood how Article 50 works? We didn’t think so. This is what your own masters call being an ‘EU colony’ or ‘vassal-state’. You created this by your impatience to trigger Article 50 (which you didn’t understand) and by your delusion of the power balance between the EU and the UK (which you were lied to about). This is why Theresa May is desperate to get something concrete on trade to sign the WA - but can’t, as it is not legally binding or enforceable after March 29 2019. Theresa May has incredulously screwed up the Brexit for you. First she triggered Article 50 without a plan or preparation. Then she proceeded to negotiate with a divided party and parliament which has no idea what Brexit it wants, insulting the EU and its citizens in the process with comparisons to USSR, Nazis and citizens of nowhere. Finally she procrastinated so long that she has run out of time and must give in on red lines as deadlines loom. The only alternative to this is to walk away without a deal. Even the Government knows that this is not tenable and a solution we can pursue (we know this through leaks and by its own desperate disposal of red lines, whenever it has to). A No Deal will also simply not pass Parliament. The only Brexit on offer to you, Leavers, is this ‘EU colony’ or ‘vassal-state’ option. Either by accepting single market and customs union membership straight away so a trade deal can be quickly made, or by staying in the economic structures in the transition deal for many years, without any Brexit benefits or global trade deals and with continued economic uncertainty eating away the financial position of UK plc (read: your jobs) as we grow weaker and weaker and more supplicatory to the EU. This is your legacy, Leavers. You won the referendum but you’re losing Brexit to your worst nightmare; a Stay, Pay and Obey outcome - because the odds were always impossible against the clueless no-plan snake oil salesmen you listened to and your folly in believing them. Can you see it yet? We doubt it. But you can happily prove us all wrong by starting to think before it’s too late. - Page Editor www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1100259323477021&id=917561391746816&__tn__=K-RExcept nothing is agreed until all is agreed, so no €34 billion if there is no trade deal and straight to WTO, there is nothing to pass in parliament we are leaving on the 29/3/19 there is no brake on it, parliament can vote whether to accept any deal or not but it has as much legal impact as voting on who should play centre half for Stoke in our next home game. Just a reminder Corbyn wanted to trigger A50 the day after the vote  |
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Post by 3putts on Oct 9, 2018 18:12:13 GMT
He says people are £900 worse off because of the Brexit vote, but he based that on a predictive wages increase before the vote, as like most predictions it's inaccurate, so he based the current wage figure against the prediction instead of an accurate figure. 900 pounds I’d pay double that to be free of the Eu worth every penny Freedom is priceless Since when haven’t you been free? Maybe if you opened your eyes and looked at the good things the eu has brought us instead of the negatives constantly rolled out by the millionaire elite |
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Post by 3putts on Oct 9, 2018 18:17:56 GMT
Ok, so I have some great news for you......we have all of that right now. Have you been on magic mushrooms or some other mind altering substances How can we decide who enters the country when anyone holding a Eu passport can waltz in on there own accord How can we decide to trade with Japan with zero tariffs How is justice given by this country when the ultimate decision is with the European court of justice Why can’t we Choose what fish we catch in our waters Guess what we can’t at the current time we are nothing other than a pawn in the Eu game of chess Paying in playing by the rules and getting the square root of sod all out glad you brought the fish quota up, as a keen angler I always look out at sea when I am near the coast and how many anglers do you see? Very few why? Because British trawlermen fished our waters to extinsion why do you think there has been a fracas off the French coast?british fishermen fucked up their own industry but hey ho let’s blame the eu |
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 9, 2018 18:24:45 GMT
900 pounds I’d pay double that to be free of the Eu worth every penny Freedom is priceless Since when haven’t you been free? Maybe if you opened your eyes and looked at the good things the eu has brought us instead of the negatives constantly rolled out by the millionaire elite A lot on here have a bigoted view of the EU and refuse to see anything good about it,my yardstick is why do more countries want to join? is because "poor countries" who join do improve do well? i remember our street before we joined no parking problems now no room to park, i wonder where all the money came from ? |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 9, 2018 18:38:45 GMT
Since when haven’t you been free? Maybe if you opened your eyes and looked at the good things the eu has brought us instead of the negatives constantly rolled out by the millionaire elite A lot on here have a bigoted view of the EU and refuse to see anything good about it,my yardstick is why do more countries want to join? is because "poor countries" who join do improve do well? i remember our street before we joined no parking problems now no room to park, i wonder where all the money came from ? FML |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2018 19:13:01 GMT
You don’t trust the numerous experts who correctly predicted an economic downturn because of the vote and who have also predicted fairly gloomy forecasts for the next decade or so, mostly down to Brexit. I get that. But you’d still see a doctor if you had a health problem I bet. The only negative for the economy in regards to brexit is the inevitable uncertainties that our disentanglement from the EU will create . in a year or two people will be asking what all the fuss was about If we were to join the EEA you may be right. |
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 9, 2018 19:27:15 GMT
The only negative for the economy in regards to brexit is the inevitable uncertainties that our disentanglement from the EU will create . in a year or two people will be asking what all the fuss was about If we were to join the EEA you may be right. We will secure a free trade deal no question |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 9, 2018 19:28:03 GMT
Ok, so I have some great news for you......we have all of that right now. Have you been on magic mushrooms or some other mind altering substances How can we decide who enters the country when anyone holding a Eu passport can waltz in on there own accord How can we decide to trade with Japan with zero tariffs How is justice given by this country when the ultimate decision is with the European court of justice Why can’t we Choose what fish we catch in our waters Guess what we can’t at the current time we are nothing other than a pawn in the Eu game of chess Paying in playing by the rules and getting the square root of sod all out Crikey, you really don’t know about free movement do you!? We can restrict EU nationals coming here. Our government chooses not to. Or the law. The ECJ has jurisdiction over so few cases. Less than 0.0001% of legal matters end there. Fish! We are leaving the EU about fish!? And you do know the EU has struck a trade deal with Japan!? Why should we rip it up and start again!? |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 9, 2018 20:09:03 GMT
What makes me laugh about all this is the fact that Brexiteers for some insane reason think that life before the EU was some lovely Utopia of a fantastic economy, a thriving manufacturing base and some fanciful notion of all's right with the world and particularly Britannia.
It's a nonsense ...
The Great British public placed a "protest" vote.
Wrong time, wrong place, wrong vote.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 9, 2018 20:11:58 GMT
Since when haven’t you been free? Maybe if you opened your eyes and looked at the good things the eu has brought us instead of the negatives constantly rolled out by the millionaire elite A lot on here have a bigoted view of the EU and refuse to see anything good about it,my yardstick is why do more countries want to join? is because "poor countries" who join do improve do well? i remember our street before we joined no parking problems now no room to park, i wonder where all the money came from ? Why do lots of countries want to join simple not one of them will be a net contributor They all want a slice of the pie paid for by British tax payers if we remained |
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 9, 2018 20:16:50 GMT
We went forward after we joined?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 9, 2018 20:17:27 GMT
What makes me laugh about all this is the fact that Brexiteers for some insane reason think that life before the EU was some lovely Utopia of a fantastic economy, a thriving manufacturing base and some fanciful notion of all's right with the world and particularly Britannia. It's a nonsense ... The Great British public placed a "protest" vote. Wrong time, wrong place, wrong vote. What was the alternative, Small? To retain the status quo that many people felt was shafting them? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 9, 2018 20:20:14 GMT
A lot on here have a bigoted view of the EU and refuse to see anything good about it,my yardstick is why do more countries want to join? is because "poor countries" who join do improve do well? i remember our street before we joined no parking problems now no room to park, i wonder where all the money came from ? Why do lots of countries want to join simple not one of them will be a net contributor They all want a slice of the pie paid for by British tax payers if we remained I think you've hit upon one of the main attractions of the EU for some countries there Wagsa .......it's ridiculous isn't it. As long as we are stupid enough to keep giving, those in Brussels will keep enjoying their personal lifestyle/ pensions etc as they then give our money away..... the system alone should be reason enough to leave |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 9, 2018 20:27:40 GMT
Why do lots of countries want to join simple not one of them will be a net contributor They all want a slice of the pie paid for by British tax payers if we remained I think you've hit upon one of the main attractions of the EU for some countries there Wagsa .......it's ridiculous isn't it. As long as we are stupid enough to keep giving, those in Brussels will keep enjoying their personal lifestyle/ pensions etc as they then give our money away..... the system alone should be reason enough to leave The more I hear from Remainers and the likes of Campbell and Clinton, the more I think I did right in voting Brexit. How can it be wrong to want to hold your own politicians accountable? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 9, 2018 20:37:24 GMT
Good question Austin
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 9, 2018 20:44:19 GMT
To keep us down. We should know our place, bend our knees and bow our heads.........let me go away from the Mississippi! |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 9, 2018 20:45:07 GMT
What makes me laugh about all this is the fact that Brexiteers for some insane reason think that life before the EU was some lovely Utopia of a fantastic economy, a thriving manufacturing base and some fanciful notion of all's right with the world and particularly Britannia. It's a nonsense ... The Great British public placed a "protest" vote. Wrong time, wrong place, wrong vote. What was the alternative, Small? To retain the status quo that many people felt was shafting them? Retain the status quo yes... And vote for your chosen party in a General Election on a given mandate. If that party was not to your choice you don't vote.. Perhaps start a new social democratic party? Dafter things have happened (see UKIP) The EU hasn't "shafted" the rank and file tricky.. The British Government(s) have. The establishment isn't the Remainers.. You and me and our children will see no noticeable improvement in our standard of living for the foreseeable future. We may see a negative actually. Look trickey.. you're a sensible bloke like me. Our people and class will have no discernible positives from this decision. We have isolated our tiny island once again. A small island that used to rule the world in commerce, industry, military and technology. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 9, 2018 20:47:53 GMT
What was the alternative, Small? To retain the status quo that many people felt was shafting them? Retain the status quo yes... And vote for your chosen party in a General Election on a given mandate. If that party was not to your choice you don't vote.. Perhaps start a new social democratic party? Dafter things have happened (see UKIP) The EU hasn't "shafted" the rank and file tricky.. The British Government(s) have. The establishment isn't the Remainers.. You and me and our children will see no noticeable improvement in our standard of living for the foreseeable future. We may see a negative actually. Look trickey.. you're a sensible bloke like me. Our people and class will have no discernible positives from this decision. We have isolated our tiny island once again. A small island that used to rule the world in commerce, industry, military and technology. And we can, again! At least we agree on 3 at the back! |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 9, 2018 20:51:50 GMT
Retain the status quo yes... And vote for your chosen party in a General Election on a given mandate. If that party was not to your choice you don't vote.. Perhaps start a new social democratic party? Dafter things have happened (see UKIP) The EU hasn't "shafted" the rank and file tricky.. The British Government(s) have. The establishment isn't the Remainers.. You and me and our children will see no noticeable improvement in our standard of living for the foreseeable future. We may see a negative actually. Look trickey.. you're a sensible bloke like me. Our people and class will have no discernible positives from this decision. We have isolated our tiny island once again. A small island that used to rule the world in commerce, industry, military and technology. And we can, again! At least we agree on 3 at the back! No we can't. Yes... three at the back though. |
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 9, 2018 21:01:28 GMT
Have you been on magic mushrooms or some other mind altering substances How can we decide who enters the country when anyone holding a Eu passport can waltz in on there own accord How can we decide to trade with Japan with zero tariffs How is justice given by this country when the ultimate decision is with the European court of justice Why can’t we Choose what fish we catch in our waters Guess what we can’t at the current time we are nothing other than a pawn in the Eu game of chess Paying in playing by the rules and getting the square root of sod all out Crikey, you really don’t know about free movement do you!? We can restrict EU nationals coming here. Our government chooses not to. Or the law. The ECJ has jurisdiction over so few cases. Less than 0.0001% of legal matters end there. Fish! We are leaving the EU about fish!? And you do know the EU has struck a trade deal with Japan!? Why should we rip it up and start again!? Yes.. that was amusing about Japan. I'm still absolutely staggered about the inactivity in our so called trade and industry government mandarins. They really think it's going to be a piece of cake restructuring this tangled web. |
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