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Post by banksofengland on Oct 7, 2018 0:13:05 GMT
We voted to leave just leave.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 7, 2018 3:03:50 GMT
We voted to leave just leave. Controversial! 😁 |
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Post by 4372 on Oct 7, 2018 4:29:29 GMT
Yes sharpy, it would be an very good idea to direct more money towards the NHS. But that wasn't what was going on here. The poster was designed to get people to vote in a certain way, even though those behind the poster were in no position to guarantee extra funds for the NHS. The two statements on the poster were clearly linked and associated, like the red and white stripes of the stoke shirt. It is disingenuous of anyone now to deny this, and that is my point.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 7, 2018 7:02:19 GMT
Even if that was the subliminal message or pure propaganda would it not be a bad thing to be able to put money into our over stretched NHS ?. Actually it is a bad thing to put more money into the NHS - or to be or precise more tax payer money. But the debate for that is another thread. The point here, for this Brexit thread, is whether or not that money is put to best use by Brussels or Westminster. Clearly enough people think the latter is the case. |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 7, 2018 8:51:04 GMT
Yes sharpy, it would be an very good idea to direct more money towards the NHS. But that wasn't what was going on here. The poster was designed to get people to vote in a certain way, even though those behind the poster were in no position to guarantee extra funds for the NHS. The two statements on the poster were clearly linked and associated, like the red and white stripes of the stoke shirt. It is disingenuous of anyone now to deny this, and that is my point. Those cheating leave bastards designed a poster to get people to vote leave you say ? Have they no shame....... |
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Post by 4372 on Oct 7, 2018 9:55:21 GMT
LOl, fyd. The poster is resurrected here today because of a contribution made by a poster yesterday. I recognised the poster for what it was, so did you,and lots of people. Someone on here yesterday suggested that some of us didn't understand what was said on the side of a bus.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 7, 2018 10:10:51 GMT
LOl, fyd. The poster is resurrected here today because of a contribution made by a poster yesterday. I recognised the poster for what it was, so did you,and lots of people. Someone on here yesterday suggested that some of us didn't understand what was said on the side of a bus. You dont if you think it said lets spend £350m a week on the NHS at the time it was pulled apart by every news channel even Farage said the £350m was wrong but still the great bus lie persists. Remain still don't get it, brexit is not and never has been about money its about taking back control every move they and the EU have made has just hardened the will of leavers. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 7, 2018 10:18:29 GMT
LOl, fyd. The poster is resurrected here today because of a contribution made by a poster yesterday. I recognised the poster for what it was, so did you,and lots of people. Someone on here yesterday suggested that some of us didn't understand what was said on the side of a bus. You dont if you think it said lets spend £350m a week on the NHS at the time it was pulled apart by every news channel even Farage said the £350m was wrong but still the great bus lie persists. Remain still don't get it, brexit is not and never has been about money its about taking back control every move they and the EU have made has just hardened the will of leavers. Apparently Brexit will be the death of music, according to Bobby Geldof. Does this not sway you?  |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 7, 2018 10:33:51 GMT
You dont if you think it said lets spend £350m a week on the NHS at the time it was pulled apart by every news channel even Farage said the £350m was wrong but still the great bus lie persists. Remain still don't get it, brexit is not and never has been about money its about taking back control every move they and the EU have made has just hardened the will of leavers. Apparently Brexit will be the death of music, according to Bobby Geldof. Does this not sway you? It's just more bollocks after more bollocks isn't it. The greatest regrets of my youth is never getting to see American bands like Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Metallica, Anthrax, Kiss, System of A Down, Guns N Roses, Skid Row, Great White, Tesla, RHCP, Warrant etc etc live because of EU freedom of movement and of course the same EU stopped the highwayman playing any of these on a friday night oh hang on...... |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 7, 2018 10:35:30 GMT
You dont if you think it said lets spend £350m a week on the NHS at the time it was pulled apart by every news channel even Farage said the £350m was wrong but still the great bus lie persists. Remain still don't get it, brexit is not and never has been about money its about taking back control every move they and the EU have made has just hardened the will of leavers. Apparently Brexit will be the death of music, according to Bobby Geldof. Does this not sway you? Vote brexit for no more Ed Sheeran thats your winning bus slogan for any third referendum / losers vote |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 7, 2018 10:51:24 GMT
Correct, because the referendum was only consultative the Prime Minister at the time made it quite clear (on numerous occasions) that the Government WOULD honour the result. It's a shame that all the remoaners don't understand that.... or what it said on the side of a bus.... or that the winner of an election/referendum is the side with most votes but at least they're not thickie, racists eh?
I must be the thick one as I have no idea what you are trying to say here.... |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 7, 2018 11:18:43 GMT
Correct, because the referendum was only consultative the Prime Minister at the time made it quite clear (on numerous occasions) that the Government WOULD honour the result. It's a shame that all the remoaners don't understand that.... or what it said on the side of a bus.... or that the winner of an election/referendum is the side with most votes but at least they're not thickie, racists eh?
I must be the thick one as I have no idea what you are trying to say here.... I am sure most people will not disagree with the first part of your statement  He is I assume referring to the leaflet sent to every home in the country stating the government would implement the result of any vote, which they have done and by triggering A50 we will be leaving. Anyway all those salisbury conspiracy theories you were linking to and promoting how'd that work out for you ? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 7, 2018 11:50:00 GMT
The most pernicious thing about the bus banner was the £350M figure itself. A fantasy figure.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 7, 2018 12:24:43 GMT
I must be the thick one as I have no idea what you are trying to say here.... I am sure most people will not disagree with the first part of your statement He is I assume referring to the leaflet sent to every home in the country stating the government would implement the result of any vote, which they have done and by triggering A50 we will be leaving. Anyway all those salisbury conspiracy theories you were linking to and promoting how'd that work out for you ? Yawn.... |
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Post by 4372 on Oct 7, 2018 12:41:44 GMT
My vote never about money either FYD. That is not an area in which Brexiteers had a monopoly of thought. Also, of course,the lying bus was clearly about money. A large, inflated sum of money which did not accurately represent the level of the UK contribution to the EU. And then the use of NHS logo itself; let's spend this large amount of money here instead.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 7, 2018 13:22:50 GMT
Apparently Brexit will be the death of music, according to Bobby Geldof. Does this not sway you? It's just more bollocks after more bollocks isn't it. The greatest regrets of my youth is never getting to see American bands like Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Metallica, Anthrax, Kiss, System of A Down, Guns N Roses, Skid Row, Great White, Tesla, RHCP, Warrant etc etc live because of EU freedom of movement and of course the same EU stopped the highwayman playing any of these on a friday night oh hang on...... I thought music concerts were being phased out anyway, what with all that scary, oppressive clapping that they encourage. Silent discos are the future. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 16:33:31 GMT
It's just more bollocks after more bollocks isn't it. The greatest regrets of my youth is never getting to see American bands like Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Metallica, Anthrax, Kiss, System of A Down, Guns N Roses, Skid Row, Great White, Tesla, RHCP, Warrant etc etc live because of EU freedom of movement and of course the same EU stopped the highwayman playing any of these on a friday night oh hang on...... I thought music concerts were being phased out anyway, what with all that scary, oppressive clapping that they encourage. Silent discos are the future.  |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 7, 2018 17:52:21 GMT
My vote never about money either FYD. That is not an area in which Brexiteers had a monopoly of thought. Also, of course,the lying bus was clearly about money. A large, inflated sum of money which did not accurately represent the level of the UK contribution to the EU. And then the use of NHS logo itself; let's spend this large amount of money here instead. It was all discussed at the time unless you want to pretend the media ignored Farage saying the figure was a lie, as it is a lie to say £350m a week was ever promised to the NHS but keep rerunning the old arguments, 173 days and 5 hours to go till Brexit  |
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 7, 2018 17:56:05 GMT
The most pernicious thing about the bus banner was the £350M figure itself. A fantasy figure. No different from some of the bulshit figures coming from the remainers |
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Post by 4372 on Oct 7, 2018 18:16:34 GMT
Oh the figure was absolutely a lie. Yes. Farage acknowledged it. You know it and I know it. The trouble was that it was one of those cases where the lie had gone half way round the world before it was questioned.
The issue though is that some people on here are trying to belittle our intelligence. The statement was clear. The two statements were linked. There is not a comma, or a full stop between them. The NHS appears in the logo form. It was, and is, a blatant lie, and needs to be acknowledged as such.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 7, 2018 18:27:46 GMT
The most pernicious thing about the bus banner was the £350M figure itself. A fantasy figure. No different from some of the bulshit figures coming from the remainers The fact is... That bus slogan influenced a lot of voters. Regardless of it being factually incorrect it was deliberately misleading. I suspect that as much as 10% of the electorate were influenced by that slogan. As regards the "bullshit" coming from the remain campaign .. Quite simple really. We haven't left yet. The trouble will start next year. Projections from major manufacturers are frightening. You've chucked away forty years of considered and structured trading agreements in the whim of a protest vote, whipped up by a defunct ex conservative that thought that he could obtain power on the back of UKIP. Project Fear is going to turn into Project Reality soon. God Save the Queen. |
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Post by sharpy on Oct 7, 2018 19:11:18 GMT
The Referendum act passed through the commons with a 544-53 vote in favour. Plus passed through the lords, hardly a Whim.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 7, 2018 19:24:01 GMT
The Referendum act passed through the commons with a 544-53 vote in favour. Plus passed through the lords, hardly a Whim. I was talking about the referendum. By the electorate. Disgustingly thrown upon them by Cameron in a political move that hopelessly backfired. An action that will be looked on in years to come as a massive dereliction of duty. The people voted for change. The problem is.. it was the wrong time, wrong place and wrong choice. Their frustrations should have been vented in another arena. It's makes me laugh when people on here talk about the "establishment" trying to get another referendum etc. Establishment?? Haha They're on the other side of the fence. |
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Post by sharpy on Oct 7, 2018 19:42:52 GMT
I was also talking about the Referendum. You are implying that it came about because of cameron, which judging by the high number of votes in favour of it being held would suggest otherwise and MP`s from across the political spectrum voted not just those in government. They had a chance back then to change our course in the future but seriously misread the British people and their concerns regarding the EU. Michael portillo pointed it out on "This week" where he said, mass imigration was thrust upon us without us having a chance to air our views, well we finally had our voices heard.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 7, 2018 19:52:15 GMT
I was also talking about the Referendum. You are implying that it came about because of cameron, which judging by the high number of votes in favour of it being held would suggest otherwise and MP`s from across the political spectrum voted not just those in government. They had a chance back then to change our course in the future but seriously misread the British people and their concerns regarding the EU. Michael portillo pointed it out on "This week" where he said, mass imigration was thrust upon us without us having a chance to air our views, well we finally had our voices heard. Yes.. I agree that immigration was a major factor in this referendum to the rank and file. My view is that exiting the EU will not benefit Mr Ordinary one iota. There will be no financial gains. There will be no upgrade on standard of living. But we've got our so called "sovereignty" The impact of leaving this massive trading organisation could be immense. We havent traded outside it for over forty years. Think about it. It's already costing billions of pounds in administration and legislation and we haven't even left yet. The people have voted for change to their way of life and welfare. The probability is it will be quite the reverse. And for goodness sake don't quote Portillo as a benchmark for the working class. |
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 8, 2018 7:11:48 GMT
We're in a lose/lose situation. Cutting our noses off to spite our face...
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 8, 2018 12:35:44 GMT
The most pernicious thing about the bus banner was the £350M figure itself. A fantasy figure. No different from some of the bulshit figures coming from the remainers Actually there is a huge difference. The remainer figures are projections and so are educated guesses. The amount of money we pay to the EU (net of the rebate) and so potentially available to pay into the NHS upon leaving is a fact. It was not hard for Boris to put the correct figure on the bus. He chose not to. |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 8, 2018 12:44:09 GMT
No different from some of the bulshit figures coming from the remainers Actually there is a huge difference. The remainer figures are projections and so are educated guesses. The amount of money we pay to the EU (net of the rebate) and so potentially available to pay into the NHS upon leaving is a fact. It was not hard for Boris to put the correct figure on the bus. He chose not to. Educated guess  It's a made up figure based on massive assumptions on a unknown deal and the impact an unknown deal would have. You may as well have asked Gypsy Rose Lee to produce the figures. |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 8, 2018 12:53:25 GMT
I was also talking about the Referendum. You are implying that it came about because of cameron, which judging by the high number of votes in favour of it being held would suggest otherwise and MP`s from across the political spectrum voted not just those in government. They had a chance back then to change our course in the future but seriously misread the British people and their concerns regarding the EU. Michael portillo pointed it out on "This week" where he said, mass imigration was thrust upon us without us having a chance to air our views, well we finally had our voices heard. Yes.. I agree that immigration was a major factor in this referendum to the rank and file. My view is that exiting the EU will not benefit Mr Ordinary one iota. There will be no financial gains. There will be no upgrade on standard of living. But we've got our so called "sovereignty" The impact of leaving this massive trading organisation could be immense. We havent traded outside it for over forty years. Think about it. It's already costing billions of pounds in administration and legislation and we haven't even left yet. The people have voted for change to their way of life and welfare. The probability is it will be quite the reverse. And for goodness sake don't quote Portillo as a benchmark for the working class. You do know that countries don't trade they just set rules and regulations for companies who do the trading, most of these companies are global and we are just going to be copying over many trade deals into UK name, costing billions in admin you say unlike the EU who did it all for free  Oh look another trading block is inviting us to join, strange why they would bother its not like we are the 5th largest economy in the world www.cityam.com/264854/japan-would-welcome-britain-into-trans-pacific-partnership |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 8, 2018 12:56:43 GMT
Oh the figure was absolutely a lie. Yes. Farage acknowledged it. You know it and I know it. The trouble was that it was one of those cases where the lie had gone half way round the world before it was questioned. The issue though is that some people on here are trying to belittle our intelligence. The statement was clear. The two statements were linked. There is not a comma, or a full stop between them. The NHS appears in the logo form. It was, and is, a blatant lie, and needs to be acknowledged as such. You are kidding me Sky, BBC and all were reporting and rubbishing the figure within an hour of it being mentioned, good old Faisal on Sky was even more smug than normal. |
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It's a made up figure based on massive assumptions on a unknown deal and the impact an unknown deal would have. You may as well have asked Gypsy Rose Lee to produce the figures.
