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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 26, 2018 20:41:37 GMT
.  We could do that if there was sufficient will. |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 26, 2018 22:14:28 GMT
. And they have an electronic border similar to the one the EU have rejected for Ireland |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 27, 2018 4:29:41 GMT
You’re absolutely right. We weren’t divided until the referendum. They are so divisive. The only people who have made anything divisive are the hard core Remoaners who just can't let go of the fact they lost. None of the Brexiteers have changed in the slightest, likewise the vast majority of decent Remain voters have accepted the result & moved along like adults. The only ones still kicking & screaming, who simply refuse to accept that some other people think differently to them, are the Remoaners. (Ironically these are also the people who're more than likely to call themselves 'progressive' & 'tolerant' & love 'diversity'... Unless it comes to being tolerant towards diverse opinions of course.) Absolutely spot on. There were a few like that backing Corbyn up on LBC last night! 😁 |
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 27, 2018 5:45:19 GMT
. The problem with this sort of propaganda is, well, it is propaganda. It doesn't, for example, say Switzerland is committed to freedom of movement of people through a series of "bilateral" agreements which commits Switzerland to comply with all EU regulation in areas covered by said bilaterals. And, failure to comply with any bilateral condition then everything fails. So that line about following 0% of EU rules is simply not true. So follow this model means you allow freedom of movement which I understand to be one of the major bug bears of some Brexiteers. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 27, 2018 7:14:56 GMT
. The problem with this sort of propaganda is, well, it is propaganda. It doesn't, for example, say Switzerland is committed to freedom of movement of people through a series of "bilateral" agreements which commits Switzerland to comply with all EU regulation in areas covered by said bilaterals. And, failure to comply with any bilateral condition then everything fails. So that line about following 0% of EU rules is simply not true. So follow this model means you allow freedom of movement which I understand to be one of the major bug bears of some Brexiteers. It also omits the fact that 7 of the top 10 countries in the Global Innovation Index are in the EU. |
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Post by Davef on Sept 27, 2018 7:35:45 GMT
Switzerland has a series of deals with the EU which means that they have to follow the relevant EU laws which cover them. So to say they adopt 0% of EU law is nonsense.
They're also part of the Schengen area.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 8:25:24 GMT
We do need a deal with the eu that is on our terms far more than we are being allowed right now. That means a united stand by GB....like that'll happen.
The option of no deal must be equal on the cards (and used if need be) to give our country a backbone
It's the only weapon we have as the enemy within are sticking the knife in on a daily basis.
When I talk of the enemy within I don't just mean labour, I mean the leader of the conservatives
The only way this vote can be upheld is if we had a true vote leave leading it.
How the hell can the Brexit that was voted for be delivered with so many slippery EU loving cunts in charge
Yet again the political elite are taking the piss and twisting the vote
And as for prove voting Labour (((I can see the draw if you believe what you are being told)))...but, corbyn is a big anti eu man ...says he voted leave to appease his new Labour politicians
Says he'll stay in the eu to appease the old guard of new Labour politicians
You'd basically be voting in new Labour again with Jeremy corbyn no more than a gonk mascot
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Post by capto on Sept 27, 2018 15:33:23 GMT
Shahmir Sanni 🏳️🌈 @shahmiruk · Zack Massingham oversaw the illegal Brexit campaign. Please tag your MPs below this is of utmost importance. The hearing is LIVE now. RETWEET. Chris VickeryVerified account @vickerysec CEO of AIQ scheduled to be questioned by Canadian Parliament committee today. Starting in about 1 hour 5 min from now. parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20180927/-1/30064?Language=English&Stream=Video … SpaceAngel "Deranged Remainer" #StopBrexit @spaceangel1964 *A MUST read* The HoC have issued a 62 page report on the 'UNKNOWNS' of Brexit. That's SIXTY-TWO pages of 'we haven't got a bloody clue'. After 2 and a half years May's government are literally clueless. Time to take back control. Time to #StopBrexit researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8408 … Areas of unknowns include: The Brexit Process UK's future rel'p with EU Trade relations The Irish Border question Free movement of ppl Financial matters Security, Law & Criminal Justice co-operation Food & farming Fisheries International & defence relations 2/3 We need to repeat our success at the Labour Party Conference & tell the Tories in no uncertain terms that we reject their Brexit. Be in Birmingham Sunday 30th Victoria Square midday to demand: #StopBrexit @toriesvsbrexit @labour4eu @euinbrum @stopbrexitmarch #ToryConf18 3/3 1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie? |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 27, 2018 16:01:25 GMT
Shahmir Sanni 🏳️🌈 @shahmiruk · Zack Massingham oversaw the illegal Brexit campaign. Please tag your MPs below this is of utmost importance. The hearing is LIVE now. RETWEET. Chris VickeryVerified account @vickerysec CEO of AIQ scheduled to be questioned by Canadian Parliament committee today. Starting in about 1 hour 5 min from now. parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20180927/-1/30064?Language=English&Stream=Video … SpaceAngel "Deranged Remainer" #StopBrexit @spaceangel1964 *A MUST read* The HoC have issued a 62 page report on the 'UNKNOWNS' of Brexit. That's SIXTY-TWO pages of 'we haven't got a bloody clue'. After 2 and a half years May's government are literally clueless. Time to take back control. Time to #StopBrexit researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8408 … Areas of unknowns include: The Brexit Process UK's future rel'p with EU Trade relations The Irish Border question Free movement of ppl Financial matters Security, Law & Criminal Justice co-operation Food & farming Fisheries International & defence relations 2/3 We need to repeat our success at the Labour Party Conference & tell the Tories in no uncertain terms that we reject their Brexit. Be in Birmingham Sunday 30th Victoria Square midday to demand: #StopBrexit @toriesvsbrexit @labour4eu @euinbrum @stopbrexitmarch #ToryConf18 3/3 1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie? Why is it a Tory Brexit ? The tories just happen to be the party in power to negotiate our exit terms . It could well have been a labour government had another leader taken them into the recent election . It's fact that that the brexit vote was carried by the labour voters in the northern constituencys. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 16:58:10 GMT
Shahmir Sanni 🏳️🌈 @shahmiruk · Zack Massingham oversaw the illegal Brexit campaign. Please tag your MPs below this is of utmost importance. The hearing is LIVE now. RETWEET. Chris VickeryVerified account @vickerysec CEO of AIQ scheduled to be questioned by Canadian Parliament committee today. Starting in about 1 hour 5 min from now. parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20180927/-1/30064?Language=English&Stream=Video … SpaceAngel "Deranged Remainer" #StopBrexit @spaceangel1964 *A MUST read* The HoC have issued a 62 page report on the 'UNKNOWNS' of Brexit. That's SIXTY-TWO pages of 'we haven't got a bloody clue'. After 2 and a half years May's government are literally clueless. Time to take back control. Time to #StopBrexit researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8408 … Areas of unknowns include: The Brexit Process UK's future rel'p with EU Trade relations The Irish Border question Free movement of ppl Financial matters Security, Law & Criminal Justice co-operation Food & farming Fisheries International & defence relations 2/3 We need to repeat our success at the Labour Party Conference & tell the Tories in no uncertain terms that we reject their Brexit. Be in Birmingham Sunday 30th Victoria Square midday to demand: #StopBrexit @toriesvsbrexit @labour4eu @euinbrum @stopbrexitmarch #ToryConf18 3/3 1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie? Why is it a Tory Brexit ? The tories just happen to be the party in power to negotiate our exit terms . It could well have been a labour government had another leader taken them into the recent election . It's fact that that the brexit vote was carried by the labour voters in the northern constituencys. It's not a Tory Brexit it's a Tory Con wrapped up in a Brexit wrapper But you are right |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 27, 2018 17:23:10 GMT
Why is it a Tory Brexit ? The tories just happen to be the party in power to negotiate our exit terms . It could well have been a labour government had another leader taken them into the recent election . It's fact that that the brexit vote was carried by the labour voters in the northern constituencys. It's not a Tory Brexit it's a Tory Con wrapped up in a Brexit wrapper But you are right Amber Rudd is at it now, I see. She prefers a second referendum over no deal. I will never vote again if there is a second referendum. |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 27, 2018 17:39:13 GMT
Why is it a Tory Brexit ? The tories just happen to be the party in power to negotiate our exit terms . It could well have been a labour government had another leader taken them into the recent election . It's fact that that the brexit vote was carried by the labour voters in the northern constituencys. It's not a Tory Brexit it's a Tory Con wrapped up in a Brexit wrapper But you are right It's a mess mate whatever it's called |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 27, 2018 17:46:04 GMT
For me Lord that's why I think it is and was one of those binary, IN or Out decisions , that have to be made sometimes. And people knew and know what it meant ... ..that does not stop people arguing for another Referendum BUT the decision should not be undermined just because people did not get what they want.....as promised in the letter we all received, pre-owned Referendum I think there is a case for a referendum on the deal (if there is one). However the point is the Brexit referendum has divided Britain and we would be unhappy whatever the result. The problem is almost everyone voting will be voting strategically, it won't be a deal or no deal vote will it . The facts of the deal won't matter . Some just want to mess it up in the hope we will stay in . Some want to topple the government to bring about an election , meanwhile the country will be screwed over by the EU in the hope of a labour government keeping us in the single market . |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 17:58:41 GMT
Whatever.
We will be a state of the USA in a couple of years anyway.
Out of Europe and the fraternity and comfort blanket.
Into a 51st State.
Low corporate tax for Google and the multi billion dollar corporations that will set up base here.
Low quality food imports.
Low wages.
NHS privatised and eventually broken up.
Dog eat dog.
Welcome to the New World folks.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 27, 2018 18:31:33 GMT
Whatever. We will be a state of the USA in a couple of years anyway. Out of Europe and the fraternity and comfort blanket. Into a 51st State. Low corporate tax for Google and the multi billion dollar corporations that will set up base here. Low quality food imports. Low wages. NHS privatised and eventually broken up. Dog eat dog. Welcome to the New World folks. Do we also get to wear pointy hats and bed sheets Carry guns Marry are fourteen year old cousin Watch 24 hour nascar whilst eating are fifth hotdog But I’ll tell you one thing I’m not eating grits |
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 27, 2018 18:33:21 GMT
Whatever. We will be a state of the USA in a couple of years anyway. Out of Europe and the fraternity and comfort blanket. Into a 51st State. Low corporate tax for Google and the multi billion dollar corporations that will set up base here. Low quality food imports. Low wages. NHS privatised and eventually broken up. Dog eat dog. Welcome to the New World folks. Mate you pressed post on the oatcake instead of issue official government no deal brexit advice  |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 18:37:15 GMT
Whatever. We will be a state of the USA in a couple of years anyway. Out of Europe and the fraternity and comfort blanket. Into a 51st State. Low corporate tax for Google and the multi billion dollar corporations that will set up base here. Low quality food imports. Low wages. NHS privatised and eventually broken up. Dog eat dog. Welcome to the New World folks. Mate you pressed post on the oatcake instead of issue official government no deal brexit advice ☺ Whoops...so I did. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 18:47:18 GMT
It's not a Tory Brexit it's a Tory Con wrapped up in a Brexit wrapper But you are right Amber Rudd is at it now, I see. She prefers a second referendum over no deal. I will never vote again if there is a second referendum. I feel the same mate but, there has to be some way to make them regret it |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 27, 2018 18:55:26 GMT
What say do we get in regulations of the USA or china or india ? We still sell there ok without feeling like we are under there control. We sell far less there than we do in the EU. And there is a lot of investment and business here from outside of the EU as they see the UK as the perfect base to sell to the EU. That of course will end. I've no idea how old you are, but in the late 90's when they tried to bounce us into joining the Euro, their favourite line was that we'd lose all of our inward investment if we didn't join. It was of course utter bollocks. A bit like it's utter bollocks now. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 27, 2018 18:56:11 GMT
Whatever. We will be a state of the USA in a couple of years anyway. Out of Europe and the fraternity and comfort blanket. Into a 51st State. Low corporate tax for Google and the multi billion dollar corporations that will set up base here. Low quality food imports. Low wages. NHS privatised and eventually broken up. Dog eat dog. Welcome to the New World folks. Well at least they speak the lingo. ;) |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 19:13:50 GMT
We sell far less there than we do in the EU. And there is a lot of investment and business here from outside of the EU as they see the UK as the perfect base to sell to the EU. That of course will end. I've no idea how old you are, but in the late 90's when they tried to bounce us into joining the Euro, their favourite line was that we'd lose all of our inward investment if we didn't join. It was of course utter bollocks. A bit like it's utter bollocks now. Nobody has told me yet why me and my family are going to better off out of the EU yet. I want to know in monetary terms and standard of living how I'm going to be better off. I don't give a shit about taking back control and sovereignty by the way. How am I going to better off? |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 27, 2018 19:39:36 GMT
I've no idea how old you are, but in the late 90's when they tried to bounce us into joining the Euro, their favourite line was that we'd lose all of our inward investment if we didn't join. It was of course utter bollocks. A bit like it's utter bollocks now. Nobody has told me yet why me and my family are going to better off out of the EU yet. I want to know in monetary terms and standard of living how I'm going to be better off. I don't give a shit about taking back control and sovereignty by the way. How am I going to better off? By the sounds of it mate your not.😂😂😂 On a brighter note, i’m Looking forward to it. So perhaps the answer lies in you being a bit less selfish and appreciating the joy of others? Just a thought. |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 19:48:51 GMT
Nobody has told me yet why me and my family are going to better off out of the EU yet. I want to know in monetary terms and standard of living how I'm going to be better off. I don't give a shit about taking back control and sovereignty by the way. How am I going to better off? By the sounds of it mate your not.😂😂😂 On a brighter note, i’m Looking forward to it. So perhaps the answer lies in you being a bit less selfish and appreciating the joy of others? Just a thought. Not quite with you mate. What's selfish about wanting a better living for me and my family? What "joy" are you getting out of Brexit? Nobody has answered my question. Including Nigel Farage. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Sept 27, 2018 19:56:10 GMT
By the sounds of it mate your not.😂😂😂 On a brighter note, i’m Looking forward to it. So perhaps the answer lies in you being a bit less selfish and appreciating the joy of others? Just a thought. Not quite with you mate. What's selfish about wanting a better living for me and my family? What "joy" are you getting out of Brexit? Nobody has answered my question. Including Nigel Farage. The thing is what makes no difference to you matters a great deal to others, because we're all different. So on this occasion you're in the minority, and as a member of democracy on a binary yes/no decision, I'm afraid it's a case of tough titty. None of us get everything we wish for and thats the price we pay for our political system, but it's the best anyones come up with. You can of course ignore all this, and carry on bleating about it for years and years. Personally I think you'd feel a bit better about it of you accepted it and tried to make the best of it. Or you can depress yourself, blame all of lifes ills on it and hide under the duvet, worrying about roaming charges. |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 20:08:45 GMT
Not quite with you mate. What's selfish about wanting a better living for me and my family? What "joy" are you getting out of Brexit? Nobody has answered my question. Including Nigel Farage. The thing is what makes no difference to you matters a great deal to others, because we're all different. So on this occasion you're in the minority, and as a member of democracy on a binary yes/no decision, I'm afraid it's a case of tough kitty. None of us get everything we wish for and thats the price we pay for our political system, but it's the best anyones come up with. You can of course ignore all this, and carry on bleating about it for years and years. Personally I think you'd feel a bit better about it of you accepted it and tried to make the best of it. Or you can depress yourself, blame all of lies ills on it and hide under the duvet, worrying about roaming charges. Personally .. it makes no difference to me at all actually. I'm near retirement and ok thank you. I'm more concerned about my children and their kin. You still haven't told me what "joy" you are getting out of Brexit and if we will ALL be financially no worse off. That's "all" being the hard working majority of this country who pay their taxes and dues. Why people have to resort to this "accept it and you'll be happier" mantra is baffling. We have general elections every four years that people have a democratic vote. If the party they don't vote for gets elected they have a moan and groan for four years. This one is for keeps. Let's hope you've made the right call. Let's hope your "joy" in sovereignty is worth it. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 27, 2018 20:22:18 GMT
The thing is what makes no difference to you matters a great deal to others, because we're all different. So on this occasion you're in the minority, and as a member of democracy on a binary yes/no decision, I'm afraid it's a case of tough kitty. None of us get everything we wish for and thats the price we pay for our political system, but it's the best anyones come up with. You can of course ignore all this, and carry on bleating about it for years and years. Personally I think you'd feel a bit better about it of you accepted it and tried to make the best of it. Or you can depress yourself, blame all of lies ills on it and hide under the duvet, worrying about roaming charges. Personally .. it makes no difference to me at all actually. I'm near retirement and ok thank you. I'm more concerned about my children and their kin. You still haven't told me what "joy" you are getting out of Brexit and if we will ALL be financially no worse off. That's "all" being the hard working majority of this country who pay their taxes and dues. Why people have to resort to this "accept it and you'll be happier" mantra is baffling. We have general elections every four years that people have a democratic vote. If the party they don't vote for gets elected they have a moan and groan for four years. This one is for keeps. Let's hope you've made the right call. Let's hope your "joy" in sovereignty is worth it. I'm very concerned about our children as well. Im not sure don't think that there's much genuine career hope out there for them at the moment. Certainly the ones I work with at University are a bit despondent when they get to the third year and look at their options...a bit of a generalisation of course. I'm not sure that Greek, Spanish and Italian young people are any more hopeful. It seems like a few Polish and Romanian young people consider that the future looks bright we in the UK. There's been a few retail closures recently , such as House of Fraser.....not too bright for their workers under the EU. I don't think that the miners, steel workers and potters faired well whilst in the common market. Where's the shipbuilding and fishing industry gone? As an aside irrespective of Brexit many analyists are predicting another financial crash. A world of uncertainties. |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 20:26:08 GMT
Personally .. it makes no difference to me at all actually. I'm near retirement and ok thank you. I'm more concerned about my children and their kin. You still haven't told me what "joy" you are getting out of Brexit and if we will ALL be financially no worse off. That's "all" being the hard working majority of this country who pay their taxes and dues. Why people have to resort to this "accept it and you'll be happier" mantra is baffling. We have general elections every four years that people have a democratic vote. If the party they don't vote for gets elected they have a moan and groan for four years. This one is for keeps. Let's hope you've made the right call. Let's hope your "joy" in sovereignty is worth it. I'm very concerned about our children as well. Im not sure don't think that there's much genuine career hope out there for them at the moment. Certainly the ones I work with at University are a bit despondent when they get to the third year and look at their options...a bit of a generalisation of course. I'm not sure that Greek, Spanish and Italian young people are any more hopeful. It seems like a few Polish and Romanian young people consider that the future looks bright we in the UK. As an aside irrespective of Brexit many analyists are predicting another financial crash. A world of uncertainties. Even more reason we should be in a secure stable economic union. And the university students and their ilk are the largest group of Remainers.. fact. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 27, 2018 20:30:28 GMT
I'm very concerned about our children as well. Im not sure don't think that there's much genuine career hope out there for them at the moment. Certainly the ones I work with at University are a bit despondent when they get to the third year and look at their options...a bit of a generalisation of course. I'm not sure that Greek, Spanish and Italian young people are any more hopeful. It seems like a few Polish and Romanian young people consider that the future looks bright we in the UK. As an aside irrespective of Brexit many analyists are predicting another financial crash. A world of uncertainties. Even more reason we should be in a secure stable economic union. And the university students and their ilk are the largest group of Remainers.. fact. Not do good across the EU for many young people. Fact.. when I was younger I was an active member of the Labour party and would have been in favour of a " Common Market"...as it was sold to us...but things change Don't be too scared of the future, be s bit more positive and hopeful and things might seem better for you |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 20:36:59 GMT
Even more reason we should be in a secure stable economic union. And the university students and their ilk are the largest group of Remainers.. fact. Not do good across the EU for many young people. Fact.. when I was younger I was an active member of the Labour party and would have been in favour of a " Common Market"...as it was sold to us...but things change Don't be too scared of the future, be s bit more positive and hopeful and things might seem better for you Haha.. here speaks the guy who in the post above forecasting Armageddon... For the third time big John... I don't need a lecture from you or anybody else about my lifestyle and mindset. You're better than that surely. You are a disciple of Mr Farage and a fully paid up member of UKIP. Your mentor couldn't answer my question... and neither can you. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 27, 2018 20:42:04 GMT
Not do good across the EU for many young people. Fact.. when I was younger I was an active member of the Labour party and would have been in favour of a " Common Market"...as it was sold to us...but things change Don't be too scared of the future, be s bit more positive and hopeful and things might seem better for you Haha.. here speaks the guy who in the post above forecasting Armageddon... For the third time big John... I don't need a lecture from you or anybody else about my lifestyle and mindset. You're better than that surely. You are a disciple of Mr Farage and a fully paid up member of UKIP. Your mentor couldn't answer my question... and neither can you. Armageddon.....not my forecast , just the view of some of some " experts" . The point being that people will suffer upturns/ downturns in fortunes and always have dependent upon many many factors...the sector you are in, your role, opportunity, attitude, luck, luck of birth, health etc etc |
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