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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 20:45:17 GMT
Haha.. here speaks the guy who in the post above forecasting Armageddon... For the third time big John... I don't need a lecture from you or anybody else about my lifestyle and mindset. You're better than that surely. You are a disciple of Mr Farage and a fully paid up member of UKIP. Your mentor couldn't answer my question... and neither can you. Armageddon.....not my forecast , just the view of some of some " experts" . The point being that people will suffer upturns/ downturns in fortunes and always have dependent upon many many factors...the sector you are in, your role, opportunity, attitude, luck, luck of birth, health etc etc And in the event of a predicted financial crash... I'd rather be in the EU. But your joy of sovereignty is much more important. ☺ |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 27, 2018 20:52:48 GMT
Armageddon.....not my forecast , just the view of some of some " experts" . The point being that people will suffer upturns/ downturns in fortunes and always have dependent upon many many factors...the sector you are in, your role, opportunity, attitude, luck, luck of birth, health etc etc And in the event of a predicted financial crash... I'd rather be in the EU. But your joy of sovereignty is much more important. ☺ Yes I do think sovereignty is important. Self determination is something that most nations and people hold dear. The EU might not be the best place to be in the advent of a financial crash |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 20:56:04 GMT
And in the event of a predicted financial crash... I'd rather be in the EU. But your joy of sovereignty is much more important. ☺ Yes I do think sovereignty is important. Self determination is something that most nations and people hold dear. The EU might not be the best place to be in the advent of a financial crash Who knows. Status Quo Rule. Goodnight. |
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 27, 2018 21:27:46 GMT
Armageddon.....not my forecast , just the view of some of some " experts" . The point being that people will suffer upturns/ downturns in fortunes and always have dependent upon many many factors...the sector you are in, your role, opportunity, attitude, luck, luck of birth, health etc etc And in the event of a predicted financial crash... I'd rather be in the EU. But your joy of sovereignty is much more important. ☺ Go read about the Italian banks and how much French and German banks are on the hook for when the music stops and purely based on that I think you might change your tune. |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 21:33:40 GMT
And in the event of a predicted financial crash... I'd rather be in the EU. But your joy of sovereignty is much more important. ☺ Go read about the Italian banks and how much French and German banks are on the hook for when the music stops and purely based on that I think you might change your tune. No worries mate. I know where I'd rather be in the event of a shitstorm. May the joy of sovereignty be with you. 😁 |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 27, 2018 21:39:32 GMT
Go read about the Italian banks and how much French and German banks are on the hook for when the music stops and purely based on that I think you might change your tune. No worries mate. I know where I'd rather be in the event of a shitstorm. May the joy of sovereignty be with you. 😁 According to Forbes; Europe will go through another financial crisis, probably centered in Greece but not necessarily Germany gains so much from the currency union that it is willing to put up a lot in rescues to keep those advantages. Ultimately, however, the absence of fundamental reforms will cause one of these troubled governments to stiff its creditors and leave the Eurozone to return to a depreciated national currency. Though a depreciated currency might help its exports and tourism, it would further impoverish an already suffering population by reducing the global buying power of its income. www.forbes.com/sites/miltonezrati/2018/03/06/europes-recurring-financial-crisis-has-not-repeat-not-ended/And from the Guardian The backlash in Italy is another predictable (and predicted) episode in the long saga of a poorly designed currency arrangement, in which the dominant power, Germany, impedes the necessary reforms and insists on policies that exacerbate the inherent problems, using rhetoric seemingly intended to inflame passions. www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/13/euro-growth-eurozone-joseph-stiglitzIt could be argued that both the Greek and Italian problems have been caused by a lack of autonomy and the centralisation of power. One size doesn't fit all |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 21:51:54 GMT
No worries mate. I know where I'd rather be in the event of a shitstorm. May the joy of sovereignty be with you. 😁 According to Forbes; Europe will go through another financial crisis, probably centered in Greece but not necessarily Germany gains so much from the currency union that it is willing to put up a lot in rescues to keep those advantages. Ultimately, however, the absence of fundamental reforms will cause one of these troubled governments to stiff its creditors and leave the Eurozone to return to a depreciated national currency. Though a depreciated currency might help its exports and tourism, it would further impoverish an already suffering population by reducing the global buying power of its income. www.forbes.com/sites/miltonezrati/2018/03/06/europes-recurring-financial-crisis-has-not-repeat-not-ended/And from the Guardian The backlash in Italy is another predictable (and predicted) episode in the long saga of a poorly designed currency arrangement, in which the dominant power, Germany, impedes the necessary reforms and insists on policies that exacerbate the inherent problems, using rhetoric seemingly intended to inflame passions. www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/13/euro-growth-eurozone-joseph-stiglitzIt could be argued that both the Greek and Italian problems have been caused by a lack of autonomy and the centralisation of power. One size doesn't fit all You still haven't answered my question. 😊 You cut and paste and link like a man possessed But you are a hollow man of no original thought and process. Get a life. Go out and see what Europe can give you. Develop your skills (particularly debating) Travel the world. Enjoy yourself. It won't be as bad as you think in an isolated, insular UK. |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 22:07:47 GMT
Rees-Mogg giving it large on question time.
That's your future.
Is he the Establishment or not?
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Post by shangamuzo on Sept 27, 2018 22:53:48 GMT
Rees-Mogg giving it large on question time. That's your future. Is he the Establishment or not? The rather sweaty fat face sitting to his left was giving it larger. Can't recall her name exactly but she's allegedly a comedian. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 27, 2018 23:06:51 GMT
Rees-Mogg giving it large on question time. That's your future. Is he the Establishment or not? The rather sweaty fat face sitting to his left was giving it larger. Can't recall her name exactly but she's allegedly a comedian. Well I’m finding her performance hilarious She does women kind no good at all |
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Post by shangamuzo on Sept 27, 2018 23:19:45 GMT
The rather sweaty fat face sitting to his left was giving it larger. Can't recall her name exactly but she's allegedly a comedian. Well I’m finding her performance hilarious She does women kind no good at all She's one of those second people's vote merchants. Knowing of course we'd be offered a shit deal by the EU in advance and yer know... |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 28, 2018 6:34:20 GMT
According to Forbes; Europe will go through another financial crisis, probably centered in Greece but not necessarily Germany gains so much from the currency union that it is willing to put up a lot in rescues to keep those advantages. Ultimately, however, the absence of fundamental reforms will cause one of these troubled governments to stiff its creditors and leave the Eurozone to return to a depreciated national currency. Though a depreciated currency might help its exports and tourism, it would further impoverish an already suffering population by reducing the global buying power of its income. www.forbes.com/sites/miltonezrati/2018/03/06/europes-recurring-financial-crisis-has-not-repeat-not-ended/And from the Guardian The backlash in Italy is another predictable (and predicted) episode in the long saga of a poorly designed currency arrangement, in which the dominant power, Germany, impedes the necessary reforms and insists on policies that exacerbate the inherent problems, using rhetoric seemingly intended to inflame passions. www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/13/euro-growth-eurozone-joseph-stiglitzIt could be argued that both the Greek and Italian problems have been caused by a lack of autonomy and the centralisation of power. One size doesn't fit all You still haven't answered my question. 😊 You cut and paste and link like a man possessed But you are a hollow man of no original thought and process. Get a life. Go out and see what Europe can give you. Develop your skills (particularly debating) Travel the world. Enjoy yourself. It won't be as bad as you think in an isolated, insular UK. Great advice. I'll work on it. ( Do you mean " travel the world", or " stick to Europe" ( I love Europe and the Europeans( generally speaking) by the way, especially Germans and Italians) |
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 28, 2018 6:43:07 GMT
You still haven't answered my question. 😊 You cut and paste and link like a man possessed But you are a hollow man of no original thought and process. Get a life. Go out and see what Europe can give you. Develop your skills (particularly debating) Travel the world. Enjoy yourself. It won't be as bad as you think in an isolated, insular UK. Great advice. I'll work on it. ( Do you mean " travel the world", or " stick to Europe" ( I love Europe and the Europeans( generally speaking) by the way, especially Germans and Italians) I'm always suspicious of people who adopt the moral high ground. You see it with socialists all the time; and it's a common feature of Remoaners arguments. So they conflate a dislike of EU institutions with Europe generally. What this shows is the paucity of their arguments. BTW, the inability of the Remain camp to put forward positive and strong arguments is the reason why they lost the election (and I'm speaking as someone who voted to remain). And the same is true today - feeble, prejudiced arguments (as shown by that idiot capto clown). |
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 28, 2018 8:24:56 GMT
Rees-Mogg giving it large on question time. That's your future. Is he the Establishment or not? He's not a man of the people anti greed is good man like the Labour chairman, that same Labour chairman had some imteresting financial arrangements whilst head of the union he was paid over a million pound redundancy for a job that was not redundant..... |
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Post by 3putts on Sept 28, 2018 8:27:38 GMT
How’s about this then? Brexiters you want to leave the the eu ok but does that not mean we forfeit the right to play in the Ryder cup,Europa and champions leagues and dare I say Eurovision Song Contest lol or do you want the best bits of Europe without contributing to it.?
Have your cake and eat it
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Post by yeokel on Sept 28, 2018 8:29:59 GMT
Great advice. I'll work on it. ( Do you mean " travel the world", or " stick to Europe" ( I love Europe and the Europeans( generally speaking) by the way, especially Germans and Italians) BTW, the inability of the Remain camp to put forward positive and strong arguments is the reason why they lost the election (and I'm speaking as someone who voted to remain). And the same is true today - feeble, prejudiced arguments (as shown by that idiot capto clown). Quite so. At the beginning of the referendum campaign I was strongly in favour of Remain. However as the campaign went on all I could hear was project fear from the Remainers with none of them putting forward any positive arguments for staying in, only potential negatives about us leaving. The only positive campaign messages were coming from Leave about the advantages of opening our country up for the world to trade with, along with other messages about us being able to more influence the destiny of our country. Even today there is very little of a positive message from Remoaners, only the continuation of project fear. |
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Post by yeokel on Sept 28, 2018 8:32:14 GMT
How’s about this then? Brexiters you want to leave the the eu ok but does that not mean we forfeit the right to play in the Ryder cup,Europa and champions leagues and dare I say Eurovision Song Contest lol or do you want the best bits of Europe without contributing to it.? Have your cake and eat it You don't seem to understand the difference between the EU and Europe. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 28, 2018 8:33:12 GMT
You still haven't answered my question. Your question is impossible to answer. No-one knows what their financial situation will be next year, they wouldn't know it if Remain had won either. We were in the EU in 2007, we were still in the EU in 2009, I'm guessing most peoples financies took quite a hit inbetween those two years. Who's to say if we'd voted Remain that in 2019 we had another 'event' take place that hammered peoples financies? We just don't know, no-one can predict with 100% certainty what the future will bring. What people can go off though is what they have/are wittnessing happen to them. Huge swathes of poor, working class areas for example have put up with the last few decades of the 'wonderful' open borders the EU gives us & seen their already low paid jobs become worse, the contracts become worse, the conditions become worse, but they have no choice but to accept it & carry on 'cos if they don't their mega rich employers can easily replace them with a bunch of Romanians who'll happily do the job for the shit pay, 'cos back in their own country it's actually a really good wage. Poor, working class people don't care about some big-wigs predictions of the future, they care about what is already happening to them, and has been happening for some time. The EU & it's freedom of movement has been a disaster for poor/working class people in countries like England, and it's no surprise at all that they voted overwhelmingly to Leave. The rich aren't too happy about it 'cos now they might have to actually start paying a decent living wage to British people, and they might have to start training our young people & actually giving them a future, rather than just importing some cheap labour from abroad, keeping wages down & taking jobs & houses away from our own young. (Kinda ironic that you babble on about your kids/grandkids but you'd be perfectly happy with millions of low-skilled migrants flooding into the country every year & taking away jobs, houses, places at schools etc... From your kids/grandkids. But then again most Remoaners only care about their kids 'no longer being able to travel to Europe' or some other hysterical bollocks where they've completely missunderstood what Brexit means, and can't seperate Europe from the European Union.) |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 28, 2018 8:34:54 GMT
How’s about this then? Brexiters you want to leave the the eu ok but does that not mean we forfeit the right to play in the Ryder cup,Europa and champions leagues and dare I say Eurovision Song Contest lol or do you want the best bits of Europe without contributing to it.? Have your cake and eat it What have the Ryder Cup or the Champions League got to do with the European Union? I've just this second made a post which finished with me stating how so many Remoaners can't tell the difference between Europe & the European Union, and as if by magic you posted this at the same time! |
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Post by 3putts on Sept 28, 2018 8:40:35 GMT
How’s about this then? Brexiters you want to leave the the eu ok but does that not mean we forfeit the right to play in the Ryder cup,Europa and champions leagues and dare I say Eurovision Song Contest lol or do you want the best bits of Europe without contributing to it.? Have your cake and eat it You don't seem to understand the difference between the EU and Europe. Yes I do ££££££££££ |
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Post by 3putts on Sept 28, 2018 8:44:31 GMT
How’s about this then? Brexiters you want to leave the the eu ok but does that not mean we forfeit the right to play in the Ryder cup,Europa and champions leagues and dare I say Eurovision Song Contest lol or do you want the best bits of Europe without contributing to it.? Have your cake and eat it What have the Ryder Cup or the Champions League got to do with the European Union? I've just this second made a post which finished with me stating how so many Remoaners can't tell the difference between Europe & the European Union, and as if by magic you posted this at the same time! Brexiters are opposed to everything to do with the eu so why should sporting events be outside the remit? Seems we are only allowed to comment on brexit if you have something positive to say about leaving. for the record we will always be involved in European sporting events £££££££££ |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 28, 2018 8:56:30 GMT
Great advice. I'll work on it. ( Do you mean " travel the world", or " stick to Europe" ( I love Europe and the Europeans( generally speaking) by the way, especially Germans and Italians) I'm always suspicious of people who adopt the moral high ground. You see it with socialists all the time; and it's a common feature of Remoaners arguments. So they conflate a dislike of EU institutions with Europe generally. What this shows is the paucity of their arguments. BTW, the inability of the Remain camp to put forward positive and strong arguments is the reason why they lost the election (and I'm speaking as someone who voted to remain). And the same is true today - feeble, prejudiced arguments (as shown by that idiot capto clown). The other thing Partick .....of late I think that those on the left seem quick to go for the person rather than address the argument, whether that's just those posting on the EE board or those entering the debate in the wider media. It is usually a sign that they have not got an argument and often leads to the accusation that their politics are the politics of envy.....with no real alternative vision PS ...do you mind if I call you Patrick to get over my learning difficulties/ reading/ spelling? |
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 28, 2018 9:10:56 GMT
How’s about this then? Brexiters you want to leave the the eu ok but does that not mean we forfeit the right to play in the Ryder cup,Europa and champions leagues and dare I say Eurovision Song Contest lol or do you want the best bits of Europe without contributing to it.? Have your cake and eat it You don't seem to understand the difference between the EU and Europe. Thats a very polite way of telling someone they have just posted the most idiotic thing I've ever read. |
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 28, 2018 9:15:36 GMT
What have the Ryder Cup or the Champions League got to do with the European Union? I've just this second made a post which finished with me stating how so many Remoaners can't tell the difference between Europe & the European Union, and as if by magic you posted this at the same time! Brexiters are opposed to everything to do with the eu so why should sporting events be outside the remit? Seems we are only allowed to comment on brexit if you have something positive to say about leaving. for the record we will always be involved in European sporting events £££££££££ You do know not every country in Europe is the EU, Russian and Turkish teams play in these competitions as do Israeli and Croatian teams I mean how would a Stoke fan be expected to know that smh. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 28, 2018 9:16:48 GMT
You don't seem to understand the difference between the EU and Europe. Thats a very polite way of telling someone they have just posted the most idiotic thing I've ever read. It does seem to undermine the Remoaners " argument"..... perhaps they genuinely did not understand the Referendum question. |
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Post by yeokel on Sept 28, 2018 9:34:24 GMT
Thats a very polite way of telling someone they have just posted the most idiotic thing I've ever read. It does seem to undermine the Remoaners " argument"..... perhaps they genuinely did not understand the Referendum question. Judging by the tripe many of them write on here I think it is fair to say that few of them actually understood the question or the issues. Many of them actually appear to have been unable to understand simple sentences written on the side of a bus! |
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Post by Northy on Sept 28, 2018 9:41:17 GMT
How’s about this then? Brexiters you want to leave the the eu ok but does that not mean we forfeit the right to play in the Ryder cup,Europa and champions leagues and dare I say Eurovision Song Contest lol or do you want the best bits of Europe without contributing to it.? Have your cake and eat it Well as the BBC fund quite a lot of the Eurovision song contest Europe may want the UK to stay in ..... like something else we are discussing? We were playing and winning European football tournaments long before we joined the common market in 1973, Switzerland, Norway play in these competitions don't they? You do realise Europe is a continent and the EU is something different don't you? |
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Post by Davef on Sept 28, 2018 10:03:19 GMT
How’s about this then? Brexiters you want to leave the the eu ok but does that not mean we forfeit the right to play in the Ryder cup,Europa and champions leagues and dare I say Eurovision Song Contest lol or do you want the best bits of Europe without contributing to it.? Have your cake and eat it What a strange post. |
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 28, 2018 10:22:48 GMT
I'm always suspicious of people who adopt the moral high ground. You see it with socialists all the time; and it's a common feature of Remoaners arguments. So they conflate a dislike of EU institutions with Europe generally. What this shows is the paucity of their arguments. BTW, the inability of the Remain camp to put forward positive and strong arguments is the reason why they lost the election (and I'm speaking as someone who voted to remain). And the same is true today - feeble, prejudiced arguments (as shown by that idiot capto clown). The other thing Partick .....of late O think that those on the left seem quick to go for the person rather than address the argument, whether that's just those posting on the EE board or those entering the debate in the wider media. It is usually a sign that they have not got an argument and often leads to the accusation that their politics are the politics of envy.....with no real alternative vision PS ...do you mind if I call you Patrick to get over my learning difficulties/ reading/ spelling? It's known as ad hominem: a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. And the name has to be Partick - sorry. A fine district in Glasgow I lived in for a number of years (and moving back to shortly!) |
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Post by felonious on Sept 28, 2018 11:29:29 GMT
How’s about this then? Brexiters you want to leave the the eu ok but does that not mean we forfeit the right to play in the Ryder cup,Europa and champions leagues and dare I say Eurovision Song Contest lol or do you want the best bits of Europe without contributing to it.? Have your cake and eat it You don't seem to understand the difference between the EU and Europe. I think he's taking the piss unless he's really dumb  |
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