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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2018 0:36:27 GMT
So the "people" can be trusted to vote again, as long as they vote the "right" way? I called a stitch up ages ago and I stand by every word.
What a gutless bunch of wankers today's MPs are. I wouldn't want to be in the trenches with any of them.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 23, 2018 3:59:20 GMT
Corbyn's front bench :-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 6:25:01 GMT
So the "people" can be trusted to vote again, as long as they vote the "right" way? I called a stitch up ages ago and I stand by every word. What a gutless bunch of wankers today's MPs are. I wouldn't want to be in the trenches with any of them. Yeh, but this vote is called..."the people's vote" 🙄 Who the Fuck was the referendum vote for then? 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 23, 2018 6:47:19 GMT
So the "people" can be trusted to vote again, as long as they vote the "right" way? I called a stitch up ages ago and I stand by every word. What a gutless bunch of wankers today's MPs are. I wouldn't want to be in the trenches with any of them. Yeh, but this vote is called..."the people's vote" 🙄 Who the Fuck was the referendum vote for then? 🤣🤣🤣 It's pathetic really . The implication being that the last vote was not from the people , |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 23, 2018 6:55:16 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 23, 2018 7:33:18 GMT
Whenever a politician of any party says let me be clear they are always anything but some real garbled waffle there but basically Labour will blow off brexit if they think there is enough votes in it lets see how that plays out in places like Stoke. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 23, 2018 8:49:39 GMT
Project Europe clears legal hurdle but Merkel holds key to political union.....says the Guardian (It's not about deals) www.theguardian.com/business/2012/sep/12/germany-european-integration-angela-merkelEver closer union: Merkel's mantra in recent weeks is that she wants "more Europe". Her Christian Democratic party has passed a motion calling for greater European integration. Barosso "Let's not be afraid of the words. We will need to move towards a federation of nation states. This is what we need. This is our political horizon," he declared. A new European federation with common fiscal, economic, and budget policies stripping national parliaments and governments of the most fundamental powers, a directly elected president of Europe with the main European political party groupings putting up candidates at the next European parliament elections in 2014 for Barroso's job — head of the European executive. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 23, 2018 9:08:22 GMT
So the great Europhile Corbyn is backing a 2nd referendum  Fucking cowardly cunt. Why is it cowardly to say I will do what the majority of my party’s members want? Also, leave voters, how do you propose leaving the EU with there being no hard border in Ireland? That’s not a loaded question. I’m genuinely interested because nobody has come up with any solutions yet (save for remaining in a customs union of course) which I think most Brexiteers oppose. Or are you saying a hard border will be an inevitable downside of leaving the EU (and the customs union) as will changing or binning the Good Friday Agreement as a result? Genuinely interested in leave voters’ views on this. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 23, 2018 9:09:34 GMT
What if the working classes want a second vote? What then? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 23, 2018 9:12:39 GMT
Yeh, but this vote is called..."the people's vote" 🙄 Who the Fuck was the referendum vote for then? 🤣🤣🤣 It's pathetic really . The implication being that the last vote was not from the people , Isn’t every vote (elections etc) a people’s vote? I thought calling this a people’s vote is just making it clear it is different from the “meaningful” vote in the HoC and that it will instead go to the people. |
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Post by M on Sept 23, 2018 9:30:40 GMT
Why is it cowardly to say I will do what the majority of my party’s members want? Also, leave voters, how do you propose leaving the EU with there being no hard border in Ireland? That’s not a loaded question. I’m genuinely interested because nobody has come up with any solutions yet (save for remaining in a customs union of course) which I think most Brexiteers oppose. Or are you saying a hard border will be an inevitable downside of leaving the EU (and the customs union) as will changing or binning the Good Friday Agreement as a result? Genuinely interested in leave voters’ views on this. Don’t ask about Northern Ireland and the mystery of the border or the Brexiteers will either ignore it or tell you it’s been blown out of proportion and that it is dead easy to sort (whilst offering nothing because it’s not). There is a stitch up but it hasn’t been from the opposition. The stitch up has actually been by government but because the majority of Brexiteers voted for that government they don’t want to accept it and choose to blame everyone else they can. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 23, 2018 9:37:59 GMT
What if the working classes want a second vote? What then? A third, fourth and fifth vote. One a week, it could be run like a reality TV/ game show. It isn't the working class asking for a second ( third) vote it's Remoaners |
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Post by M on Sept 23, 2018 9:43:40 GMT
What if the working classes want a second vote? What then? A third, fourth and fifth vote. One a week, it could be run like a reality TV/ game show. It isn't the working class asking for a second ( third) vote it's Remoaners Yet I bet you agreed with Farage only the night before the referendum when he was fearing defeat and he said that unless the decision had been 2/3 another referendum should happen... I also bet you laughed at all those remainers who signed that petition calling for a second referendum that was actually started by another Brexiteer who didn’t think they were getting the result they wanted. I also bet you wouldn’t have shut up if the vote had been slightly different and a different result had happened yet pull your ace about other people on the other side. The double standards are baffling. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2018 9:46:37 GMT
What if the working classes want a second vote? What then? The working classes wanted Brexit. Your hero has abandoned them. He is totally without principle in the pursuit of power. He is a spineless turd. I loathe him and the current Labour party. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 23, 2018 9:49:57 GMT
A third, fourth and fifth vote. One a week, it could be run like a reality TV/ game show. It isn't the working class asking for a second ( third) vote it's Remoaners Yet I bet you agreed with Farage only the night before the referendum when he was fearing defeat and he said that unless the decision had been 2/3 another referendum should happen... I also bet you laughed at all those remainers who signed that petition calling for a second referendum that was actually started by another Brexiteer who didn’t think they were getting the result they wanted. I also bet you wouldn’t have shut up if the vote had been slightly different and a different result had happened yet pull your ace about other people on the other side. The double standards are baffling. Actually I didn't do any of that. It's not really about me and laughing but good luck with your betting. |
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Post by M on Sept 23, 2018 9:52:03 GMT
What if the working classes want a second vote? What then? The working classes wanted Brexit. Your hero has abandoned them. He is totally without principle in the pursuit of power. He is a spineless turd. I loathe him and the current Labour party. Don’t try and rewrite history. The working class was abandoned by Blair. The movement of many away from Labour happened long before Corbyn came to power. He’s also said he doesn’t want to go to the polls but if the democratic will of his party say otherwise (hundreds of motions with huge seats in direction have been logged by local parties nationwide) then he’d follow their will! |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 23, 2018 9:54:50 GMT
What if the working classes want a second vote? What then? The working classes wanted Brexit. Your hero has abandoned them. He is totally without principle in the pursuit of power. He is a spineless turd. I loathe him and the current Labour party. I'm afraid Corbyn has become a very dangerous man... dangerous to the UK |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2018 9:57:51 GMT
The working classes wanted Brexit. Your hero has abandoned them. He is totally without principle in the pursuit of power. He is a spineless turd. I loathe him and the current Labour party. Don’t try and rewrite history. The working class was abandoned by Blair. The movement of many away from Labour happened long before Corbyn came to power. He’s also said he doesn’t want to go to the polls but if the democratic will of his party say otherwise (hundreds of motions with huge seats in direction have been logged by local parties nationwide) then he’d follow their will! He's sniffed power and abandoned his core support. He has lost all credibility. |
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Post by M on Sept 23, 2018 10:03:19 GMT
Don’t try and rewrite history. The working class was abandoned by Blair. The movement of many away from Labour happened long before Corbyn came to power. He’s also said he doesn’t want to go to the polls but if the democratic will of his party say otherwise (hundreds of motions with huge seats in direction have been logged by local parties nationwide) then he’d follow their will! He's sniffed power and abandoned his core support. He has lost all credibility. His core support has never been exclusively the working class though. His core support is the left. Just look at voting demographics of the last GE. The working class are largely politically on the right. If the working class has been abandoned by anyone it was by someone wearing blue. |
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Post by M on Sept 23, 2018 10:06:33 GMT
The working classes wanted Brexit. Your hero has abandoned them. He is totally without principle in the pursuit of power. He is a spineless turd. I loathe him and the current Labour party. I'm afraid Corbyn has become s very dangerous man... dangerous to the UK How so? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 10:50:51 GMT
Project Europe clears legal hurdle but Merkel holds key to political union.....says the Guardian (It's not about deals) www.theguardian.com/business/2012/sep/12/germany-european-integration-angela-merkelEver closer union: Merkel's mantra in recent weeks is that she wants "more Europe". Her Christian Democratic party has passed a motion calling for greater European integration. Barosso "Let's not be afraid of the words. We will need to move towards a federation of nation states. This is what we need. This is our political horizon," he declared. A new European federation with common fiscal, economic, and budget policies stripping national parliaments and governments of the most fundamental powers, a directly elected president of Europe with the main European political party groupings putting up candidates at the next European parliament elections in 2014 for Barroso's job — head of the European executive. Bloody hell...and some people still want to be part of this ? Unbelievable ! |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 23, 2018 11:24:30 GMT
The working classes wanted Brexit. Your hero has abandoned them. He is totally without principle in the pursuit of power. He is a spineless turd. I loathe him and the current Labour party. Don’t try and rewrite history. The working class was abandoned by Blair. The movement of many away from Labour happened long before Corbyn came to power. He’s also said he doesn’t want to go to the polls but if the democratic will of his party say otherwise (hundreds of motions with huge seats in direction have been logged by local parties nationwide) then he’d follow their will! So Corbyn can follow the 'democratic will' of his party to push for a second referendum at the same time as ignoring the democratic will of the whole country after the first referendum. Gotcha.  |
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Post by henry on Sept 23, 2018 11:31:14 GMT
The Labour Party
A fucking wolf in sheep's clothing
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2018 12:10:11 GMT
So the people who got moaned at for not voting have been proved right all along. Your vote actually is meaningless.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 23, 2018 12:21:48 GMT
Project Europe clears legal hurdle but Merkel holds key to political union.....says the Guardian (It's not about deals) www.theguardian.com/business/2012/sep/12/germany-european-integration-angela-merkelEver closer union: Merkel's mantra in recent weeks is that she wants "more Europe". Her Christian Democratic party has passed a motion calling for greater European integration. Barosso "Let's not be afraid of the words. We will need to move towards a federation of nation states. This is what we need. This is our political horizon," he declared. A new European federation with common fiscal, economic, and budget policies stripping national parliaments and governments of the most fundamental powers, a directly elected president of Europe with the main European political party groupings putting up candidates at the next European parliament elections in 2014 for Barroso's job — head of the European executive. Bloody hell...and some people still want to be part of this ? Unbelievable ! And then there is the EU army that everyone was told wouldn't happen, I mean what could possibly go wrong with that....... |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2018 12:22:34 GMT
He's sniffed power and abandoned his core support. He has lost all credibility. His core support has never been exclusively the working class though. His core support is the left. Just look at voting demographics of the last GE. The working class are largely politically on the right. If the working class has been abandoned by anyone it was by someone wearing blue. Labour went into the General Election promising to honour the result of the referendum and now they are doing the opposite. Talk about Brexit lies. It's unforgivable. |
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 23, 2018 12:23:21 GMT
Don’t try and rewrite history. The working class was abandoned by Blair. The movement of many away from Labour happened long before Corbyn came to power. He’s also said he doesn’t want to go to the polls but if the democratic will of his party say otherwise (hundreds of motions with huge seats in direction have been logged by local parties nationwide) then he’d follow their will! So Corbyn can follow the 'democratic will' of his party to push for a second referendum at the same time as ignoring the democratic will of the whole country after the first referendum. Gotcha. They are priortising talking about Palestine over brexit you honestly couldn't make this shit up  |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 23, 2018 12:26:42 GMT
What if the working classes want a second vote? What then? A third, fourth and fifth vote. One a week, it could be run like a reality TV/ game show. It isn't the working class asking for a second ( third) vote it's Remoaners What if remoaners outweight Brexiteers now? Or does the will of the people only apply when you agree? You are outlining the argument I have put forward time and time again about why referenda are totally undemocratic and a ridiculous why to govern. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2018 12:29:20 GMT
Don’t try and rewrite history. The working class was abandoned by Blair. The movement of many away from Labour happened long before Corbyn came to power. He’s also said he doesn’t want to go to the polls but if the democratic will of his party say otherwise (hundreds of motions with huge seats in direction have been logged by local parties nationwide) then he’d follow their will! So Corbyn can follow the 'democratic will' of his party to push for a second referendum at the same time as ignoring the democratic will of the whole country after the first referendum. Gotcha. What's worse is that people on here and in the country are celebrating shitting on democracy as some kind of victory. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 23, 2018 12:29:21 GMT
What if the working classes want a second vote? What then? The working classes wanted Brexit. Your hero has abandoned them. He is totally without principle in the pursuit of power. He is a spineless turd. I loathe him and the current Labour party. Who is my hero? I have never voted labour and certainly will not be voting for them again at the next opportunity unless they change significantly. So who is my hero? To defend Corbyn’s view to do as he his instructed by the people who put him in his position is not to make him my hero or to say I am a fan or supporter of him. |
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