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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 22, 2018 0:37:38 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 22, 2018 5:32:59 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 22, 2018 6:19:27 GMT
About as convoluted as Ted Rogers...🛢 I don't expect you to keep up Bath but when you get stuck just let me know and I'll explain. Did you read the Die Welt op ed? What in it lead to Donald Tusk being a twat do you think? Here's the unelected President of the European Council's personal instagram account. All you remoaners must be so proud. View AttachmentSo, She didn't win the car but she did get Dusty Bin. Thanks Ted Roger for explaining that |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 22, 2018 7:51:52 GMT
Piers has a point about Churchill and Thatcher. I can't imagine any EU leader even thinking about treating either of those two the way that May has been treated.We are lacking leadership. It is difficult to lead when you are trying to manipulate, manoeuvre and deceive.
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Post by 4372 on Sept 22, 2018 7:59:34 GMT
Whereas spending the summer trying to ingratiate and negotiate with individual governments is not disrespectful to the EU at all.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 22, 2018 8:17:16 GMT
The plan seems to going pretty well - today very few people are talking about the lack of plan provided by the lead protagonists of the Leave campaign, the fact that the government spent two years negotiating with itself instead of with the EU, or the Tory balls up at the previous needless election which has led to the utter paralysis of the government.
No, it's all the fault of nasty Brussel's who are bullying us because they are not providing a plan to help us figure out how to put into action our own decision.
It's just another chapter in the charade of the government getting exactly what they want - a no deal scenario with the EU that absolutely, definitely is not their fault, but all the fault of those nasty foreigners.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 22, 2018 8:31:22 GMT
The plan seems to going pretty well - today very few people are talking about the lack of plan provided by the lead protagonists of the Leave campaign, the fact that the government spent two years negotiating with itself instead of with the EU, or the Tory balls up at the previous needless election which has led to the utter paralysis of the government. No, it's all the fault of nasty Brussel's who are bullying us because they are not providing a plan to help us figure out how to put into action our own decision. It's just another chapter in the charade of the government getting exactly what they want - a no deal scenario with the EU that absolutely, definitely is not their fault, but all the fault of those nasty foreigners. I wouldn't generalise personally. I don't think foreigners are nasty. Some probably are. But it's not about nastiness but power, control, political manouvering and deceit. Having said that I think that some would say that one of the EU leaders is nasty. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 22, 2018 8:40:27 GMT
Whereas spending the summer trying to ingratiate and negotiate with individual governments is not disrespectful to the EU at all. No it's not. It's allowed, just as Barnier has met with Corbyn and Sturgeon for example and Juncker has met George Soros. All to discuss Brexit. The EU's not the police mate. Sovereign leaders are allowed to meet whomever they like, when they like and discuss what they like. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 22, 2018 8:43:44 GMT
Whereas spending the summer trying to ingratiate and negotiate with individual governments is not disrespectful to the EU at all. No it's not. It's allowed, just as Barnier has met with Corbyn and Sturgeon for example and Juncker has met George Soros. All to discuss Brexit. The EU's not the police mate. Sovereign leaders are allowed to meet whomever they like, when they like and discuss what they like. That's revolutionary Roger |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 22, 2018 8:46:14 GMT
I don't expect you to keep up Bath but when you get stuck just let me know and I'll explain. Did you read the Die Welt op ed? What in it lead to Donald Tusk being a twat do you think? Here's the unelected President of the European Council's personal instagram account. All you remoaners must be so proud. So, She didn't win the car but she did get Dusty Bin. Thanks Ted Roger for explaining that Right on cue. Today Donald saying he's now "convinced" a good deal for all can be reached and he's a "close friend of the UK and a true admirer of PM May" and that Chequers was a "step in the right direction". Don't worry I'll explain later. Brexit compromise still possible, Donald Tusk says - BBC |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 22, 2018 8:52:41 GMT
And this from Donald Tusk's official account? Equally classy. 'Equal' ?? One's a tabloid trying to sell copy and the other is one of the (5) Presidents of a 28 Nation, 500 million citizen, political bloc. Put it this way. If that had been Trump tweeting that picture after his visit the world's press would lost their shit condemning it. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 22, 2018 8:53:51 GMT
No it's not. It's allowed, just as Barnier has met with Corbyn and Sturgeon for example and Juncker has met George Soros. All to discuss Brexit. The EU's not the police mate. Sovereign leaders are allowed to meet whomever they like, when they like and discuss what they like. That's revolutionary Roger What can I say big John. I'm feeling rebellious today  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 22, 2018 9:02:21 GMT
That's revolutionary Roger What can I say big John. I'm feeling rebellious today Blackburn 1 Stoke 5 ? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 22, 2018 9:05:00 GMT
'Equal' ?? One's a tabloid trying to sell copy and the other is one of the (5) Presidents of a 28 Nation, 500 million citizen, political bloc. Put it this way. If that had been Trump tweeting that picture after his visit the world's press would lost their shit condemning it. And if it was Trump tweeting it, you'd be jumping up and down rejoicing the Don and his new form of diplomacy. For what it's worth, I think it was needless and crass. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 22, 2018 9:19:32 GMT
What can I say big John. I'm feeling rebellious today Blackburn 1 Stoke 5 ? Bera hat-trick. |
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Post by 4372 on Sept 22, 2018 9:46:54 GMT
Some dissonance apparent here then.The various E.U.national governments are sovereign,but the EU is seeking to be a sovereign political bloc: "Ever Closer Union" The EU made it clear that it would negotiate as a bloc,through Barmier.May wasted time in the UK and the EU by trying to get in through a back door. It has seemingly failed. What a surprise.And now she is boo-hooing about it all.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 22, 2018 9:56:41 GMT
Wait a minute - aren't we all accusing the EU of disrespecting a leader that has very little respect from the general public anyway?
And also of ridiculing a Chequers plan that all sides of the British political spectrum have said is ridiculous?
I would say the British establishment are playing an absolute blinder here - deflection at it's finest.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 22, 2018 10:17:25 GMT
No it's not. It's allowed, just as Barnier has met with Corbyn and Sturgeon for example and Juncker has met George Soros. All to discuss Brexit. The EU's not the police mate. Sovereign leaders are allowed to meet whomever they like, when they like and discuss what they like. That's revolutionary Roger It is on here! I can't believe how many people in this country are willing to take the side of the EU against the UK. I bet it would be a different story if Corbyn was PM. If only he had the bollocks to stick to his guns on the EU. He should if he wants to re-nationalize the railways, for a start. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 22, 2018 10:46:21 GMT
That's revolutionary Roger It is on here! I can't believe how many people in this country are willing to take the side of the EU against the UK. I bet it would be a different story if Corbyn was PM. If only he had the bollocks to stick to his guns on the EU. He should if he wants to re-nationalize the railways, for a start. Tricky that's exactly how I feel. As Farage says, the two main parties refuse to address the fundamental issue of the Referendum, Sovereignty, Independence, autonomy, Ever Closer Union. The agenda has deliberately been about" the deal" Unfortunately the EU gas delibrately made it a " us or them" scenario including ideas of punishment of the UK. Whichever way that they try to dress it up) ' doing the best for the UK') they are actually taking the side of the EU against us because that is what it has become. That's why in fact those who are ' comfortably off: and are scared to rock their boat and the political class and their allies want the status quo. The working class who are not tied in to such are braver and more patriotic. They can't understand why we don't just get on with it..... which of course we could but they need to be downtrodden, put in their place by the political masters. The biggest disgrace is that the Labour party are on the side of the establishment but are squirming around trying to say that they are there for the working class...Hardie, Atlee and Benn wouldn't believe it. .all in my opinion of course. |
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 22, 2018 10:56:52 GMT
Maybe it’s only me but I feel very suspicious of the latest Eu behaviour If they had positively been help full to may she may not of survived the Tory conference By being disrespectful to her that allows her to do today’s speech and bingo she’s safe for a while Still convinced it was a set up and may will prove to be a Euro quisling Very interesting observation. Tusk's piss take yesterday was supposedly because of May's interview in Welt the night before but that only reiterated that she wouldn't agree a border down the Irish Sea. Which was not new news. Tusk also said it was her conversation before the lunch about sticking to her Chequers plan. Hardly grounds for his childish instagram bollocks. They show unity and a bit of muscle. She get's to say she's a nice person and stare to camera. After the Conservative conference they 'back down' somewhat so they've been 'accommodating' while she comes out looking tough. When in reality we continue to follow the EU common rule book. What did slip out from May today was the unilateral reassurance for EU citizens living in the UK. Your rights will be preserved. It seemed an odd addition to what is a trade negotiation impasse. Especially with her plans for future immigration coming out soon with many expecting freedom of movement under another name. Nothing odd about the EU citizens assurance too me, likelihood of no deal seems to have increased so perfectly reasonable to reassure people who have more too worry about than no butter, no flights and no sandwiches that they can carry on their lives as normal whatever happens something we have tried to do since the start but the EU refuses to do. As for freedom of movement continuing afterwards under a different name, if you have a job offer, can support yourself and have insurance I see no reason to stop suitably skilled people coming to the UK it works perfectly well for 99% of the rest of the world. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 22, 2018 10:57:52 GMT
It is on here! I can't believe how many people in this country are willing to take the side of the EU against the UK. I bet it would be a different story if Corbyn was PM. If only he had the bollocks to stick to his guns on the EU. He should if he wants to re-nationalize the railways, for a start. Tricky that's exactly how I feel. As Farage says, the two main parties refuse to address the fundamental issue of the Referendum, Sovereignty, Independence, autonomy, Ever Closer Union. The agenda has deliberately been about" the deal" Unfortunately the EU gas delibrately made it a " us or them" scenario including ideas of punishment of the UK. Whichever way that they try to dress it up) ' doing the best for the UK') they are actually taking the side of the EU against us because that is what it has become. That's why in fact those who are ' comfortably off: and are scared to rock their boat and the political class and their allies want the status quo. The working class who are not tied in to such are braver and more patriotic. They can't understand why we don't just get on with it..... which of course we could but they need to be downtrodden, put in their place by the political masters. The biggest disgrace is that the Labour party are on the side of the establishment but are squirming around trying to say that they are there for the working class...Hardie, Atlee and Benn wouldn't believe it. .all in my opinion of course. It's not just your opinion, a Labour supporter on LBC has just said the same thing. He said real Labour would never support the EU because of the effect on the wages of the working class caused by high immigration levels. Of course, the real working class understand this because they have to compete against Eastern Europeans for jobs. Builders and roofers have been badly affected, for example. Brexit is a class issue, and I don't understand why most Labour voters aren't seeing it. Of course, it might have something to do with opportunism, but I honestly think Corbyn is missing a trick in not supporting Brexit. I think a lot of people have some sympathy with some of Labour's policies, but can't agree with his " there should be no upper level of immigration" pre-referendum statement. It's about time a party represented to the working class in this country. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 22, 2018 11:08:51 GMT
Wait a minute - aren't we all accusing the EU of disrespecting a leader that has very little respect from the general public anyway? And also of ridiculing a Chequers plan that all sides of the British political spectrum have said is ridiculous? I would say the British establishment are playing an absolute blinder here - deflection at it's finest. No That's just where the Euro sycophants are wrong They were. Not just disrespecting our prime minster they were disrespecting the entire country And every voter in it That’s one of the main reasons the sensible voter wants out they can’t take a no |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 22, 2018 11:59:30 GMT
Wait a minute - aren't we all accusing the EU of disrespecting a leader that has very little respect from the general public anyway? And also of ridiculing a Chequers plan that all sides of the British political spectrum have said is ridiculous? I would say the British establishment are playing an absolute blinder here - deflection at it's finest. No That's just where the Euro sycophants are wrong They were. Not just disrespecting our prime minster they were disrespecting the entire country And every voter in it That’s one of the main reasons the sensible voter wants out they can’t take a no Apparently according to the prime minister of Malta the majority of EU leaders are in favour of a second vote now we can see how difficult it's going to be . Democracy at its finest |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 22, 2018 12:06:18 GMT
No That's just where the Euro sycophants are wrong They were. Not just disrespecting our prime minster they were disrespecting the entire country And every voter in it That’s one of the main reasons the sensible voter wants out they can’t take a no Apparently according to the prime minister of Malta the majority of EU leaders are in favour of a second vote now we can see how difficult it's going to be . Democracy at its finest I actually think the Eu might have just overplayed there hand a bit I have spoken to several remain voters in the last day and there leaning to voting out of unfortunately there is a second vote The Eu’s behaviour over the last two days has done them no favours |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 22, 2018 12:16:19 GMT
Apparently according to the prime minister of Malta the majority of EU leaders are in favour of a second vote now we can see how difficult it's going to be . Democracy at its finest I actually think the Eu might have just overplayed there hand a bit I have spoken to several remain voters in the last day and there leaning to voting out of unfortunately there is a second vote The Eu’s behaviour over the last two days has done them no favours It's kind of a self fulfilling proficy , they are demonstrating all of the unpleasant characteristics the leave campaign highlighted prior to the vote |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 22, 2018 12:21:51 GMT
I actually think the Eu might have just overplayed there hand a bit I have spoken to several remain voters in the last day and there leaning to voting out of unfortunately there is a second vote The Eu’s behaviour over the last two days has done them no favours It's kind of a self fulfilling proficy , they are demonstrating all of the unpleasant characteristics the leave campaign highlighted prior to the vote Yes I agree Funny race the British we can call are prime minister from a pig to a dog and often do But hell nobody else is going to do it It’s as if we have some sort of siege mentality bred in |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 22, 2018 20:44:10 GMT
So here's the latest play.
A 'poll' shows that almost 90% of Labour party members (yeah that's you they're talking about) want a Peoples Vote/2nd referendum.
It must be true because the campaign for a second referendum said so.
But here's the kicker. It's being flouted at the Labour Party conference as hard fact and a "People's Vote" sounds a bit socialist so that's good right?
Plus the current Government, the one mandated to deliver Brexit, happens to be Conservative so to oppose Brexit is to de facto oppose the Conservatives which is the marching tune of the mongmentum Corbynista's.
I must say. I'm disappointed that 9 out of 10 of those across the political divide need another vote to be sure. I thought they had longer backbone's than that.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 22, 2018 21:11:22 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 22, 2018 21:41:41 GMT
So the great Europhile Corbyn is backing a 2nd referendum  |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2018 0:29:56 GMT
So the great Europhile Corbyn is backing a 2nd referendum Fucking cowardly cunt. |
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