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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 21, 2018 16:25:47 GMT
Anyone who thinks this is going to work out well for the common people is either deranged, a liar or both. “Everything is going to be fine” “La La La, I’m not listening 🙉” Reminds me of this bloke:- Maybe if Jezza stuck to his principles and backed Brexit, we could assure rights for the common people? Is every major politician gutless nowadays? |
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 21, 2018 16:28:12 GMT
It has been said that no deal would be better than a bad deal. As events unfold I'm more and more coming round to the view that no deal is going to be the best deal.
I am well aware that no deal will be damaging to the economy but less damaging than a bad deal where we pay huge contributions still and have our hands tied. We have a massive trade deficit with the EEC, they will be damaged more by changing to world trade rules to trade with us. We are the 2nd largest net contributer to the cost of the EEC, without us the EEC budget is a basket case and countries like Ireland and French farmers will no longer get huge regional and agricultural aid. In fact Ireland went into the Common Market with us, and would be better off coming out when we leave as they have a major trade deficit with us and a large proportion of their exports pass through the UK.
Having sat on a European committee for many years, which I chaired for 3 years, I understand perfectly the problems our government has coming to a deal. I worked for French and Dutch bosses for many years and found that they just don't think like we do. They will be absolutely convinced not to "give in" to the British, but as soon as we break the ties they will panic and start falling out with each other. If we leave without a deal, once we are out, the EEC will be desperate to re-establish mutually beneficial terms as quickly as possible, particularly Germany which has a £30billion pa trade balance with the UK.
Don't misunderstand me. I am not advocating no deal, I want a good deal for both sides. My view now though is that is becoming impossible as the EEC are spurred on by the UK remainers to believe that the UK will capitulate and accept any deal or even reverse the whole process.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 21, 2018 16:29:30 GMT
Anyone who thinks this is going to work out well for the common people is either deranged, a liar or both. “Everything is going to be fine” “La La La, I’m not listening 🙉” Reminds me of this bloke:- Maybe if Jezza stuck to his principles and backed Brexit, we could assure rights for the common people? Is every major politician gutless nowadays? Caroline Flint shows some sense |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 21, 2018 16:35:05 GMT
Maybe if Jezza stuck to his principles and backed Brexit, we could assure rights for the common people? Is every major politician gutless nowadays? Caroline Flint shows some sense I know several former Labour voters who hate Corbyn due to his stance on Brexit and immigration. It's perfectly reasonable to be concerned about the level of the latter, and his reluctance to accept that has alienated many "natural" Labour supporters. |
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 21, 2018 16:35:47 GMT
Don’t worry, We’re about to create a place that will help you forget nasty Blair & Campbell. You’ll have plenty of other $#!t to consider 🙊🙈🙉 |
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 21, 2018 16:42:03 GMT
Don’t worry, We’re about to create a place that will help you forget nasty Blair & Campbell. You’ll have plenty of other $#!t to consider 🙊🙈🙉 I think Blair has a bit more blood on his hands than Rees-Mogg but I get your point. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 21, 2018 17:37:56 GMT
I normally like to keep away from these BREXIT/ EU threads but I just wondered what those to the left think of this tweet by Austin Mitchell.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 21, 2018 18:04:30 GMT
I normally like to keep away from these BREXIT/ EU threads but I just wondered what those to the left think of this tweet by Austin Mitchell. That is as fanciful as the land of unicorns & pots of gold that lie over the Brexit 🌈 It’s a terrible thing to deceive others, but it’s an act of suicide to lie to yourselves. Stop lying to yourselves & wake up |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 21, 2018 18:05:23 GMT
I normally like to keep away from these BREXIT/ EU threads but I just wondered what those to the left think of this tweet by Austin Mitchell. That is as fanciful as the land of unicorns & pots of gold that lie over the Brexit 🌈 It’s a terrible thing to deceive other, but it’s an act of suicide to lie to yourselves. Stop lying to yourselves & wake up No idea what you mean Bath. Are you saying Austin is lying. I have always found him very incisive and truthful. Now this man goo.gl/images/Qk1WY4 |
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 21, 2018 18:06:18 GMT
That is as fanciful as the land of unicorns & pots of gold that lie over the Brexit 🌈 It’s a terrible thing to deceive other, but it’s an act of suicide to lie to yourselves. Stop lying to yourselves & wake up No idea what you mean Bath Of course you don’t |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 21, 2018 18:07:53 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 21, 2018 18:59:52 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 21, 2018 19:07:39 GMT
Insightful.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 21, 2018 19:14:13 GMT
I've looked into this before and don't particularly want to again, I may later. I can recall the heading the WTO saying that we would be fine. The main point is that China, Australia, USA trade with the European countries without being part of the EU, SM, CU and accepting free movement etc None of those countries share a land border with the EU though, especially one as complicated as the Irish border. So what? This is what amuses me about Brexit. The inability to grasp that this is a unique situation. This scenario has never, ever been processed before but for some reason many, mostly remainers, are paralysed without a precedent. There isn't one. Brexit won't be perfect in it's execution, early years or into the future because nothing is ever perfect. Remainers readily admit the EU is flawed and we should stay in and reform it but somehow expect a Brexit blueprint free of flaws. The endless, "that won't work" or "that doesn't exist anywhere else" is mind numbing. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 21, 2018 19:14:13 GMT
A genuine Labour woman
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Post by felonious on Sept 21, 2018 19:17:43 GMT
When have we ever had a successful negotiation with the Politburo over in Brussels?  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 21, 2018 19:25:24 GMT
When have we ever had a successful negotiation with the Politburo over in Brussels? Good point Felonious, we've never actually fitted in. Mind you they kept putting up with us as long as we kept coughing up and did not stray too far to become a competitor |
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Post by felonious on Sept 21, 2018 19:28:02 GMT
When have we ever had a successful negotiation with the Politburo over in Brussels? Good point Felonious, we've never actually fitted in. Mind you they kept putting up with us as long as we kept coughing up and did not stray too far to become a competitor Let's hope we're out before we have to cough up for Italy. Coughing up for Ireland hasn't made them remotely grateful  |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 21, 2018 19:28:44 GMT
Maybe it’s only me but I feel very suspicious of the latest Eu behaviour
If they had positively been help full to may she may not of survived the Tory conference
By being disrespectful to her that allows her to do today’s speech and bingo she’s safe for a while
Still convinced it was a set up and may will prove to be a Euro quisling
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 21, 2018 19:32:39 GMT
Maybe it’s only me but I feel very suspicious of the latest Eu behaviour If they had positively been help full to may she may not of survived the Tory conference By being disrespectful to her that allows her to do today’s speech and bingo she’s safe for a while Still convinced it was a set up and may will prove to be a Euro quisling I know what you mean Wagsa. What a sad state of affairs when you can't trust your own PM and government to act in the country's best interest |
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 21, 2018 19:47:34 GMT
Maybe it’s only me but I feel very suspicious of the latest Eu behaviour If they had positively been help full to may she may not of survived the Tory conference By being disrespectful to her that allows her to do today’s speech and bingo she’s safe for a while Still convinced it was a set up and may will prove to be a Euro quisling You could be right as all politicians are liars and couldn’t lie straight in a bed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 20:00:49 GMT
Theresa's speech was a terrible piece of acting. As if anyone let alone the eu were believing any of that plastic shit
I can see this chequers barf going through...once she gives another consession or two
Cant help feeling she's working with the eu on this
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 21, 2018 20:12:07 GMT
Maybe it’s only me but I feel very suspicious of the latest Eu behaviour If they had positively been help full to may she may not of survived the Tory conference By being disrespectful to her that allows her to do today’s speech and bingo she’s safe for a while Still convinced it was a set up and may will prove to be a Euro quisling Many agree with you |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 21, 2018 21:07:20 GMT
Maybe it’s only me but I feel very suspicious of the latest Eu behaviour If they had positively been help full to may she may not of survived the Tory conference By being disrespectful to her that allows her to do today’s speech and bingo she’s safe for a while Still convinced it was a set up and may will prove to be a Euro quisling Very interesting observation. Tusk's piss take yesterday was supposedly because of May's interview in Welt the night before but that only reiterated that she wouldn't agree a border down the Irish Sea. Which was not new news. Tusk also said it was her conversation before the lunch about sticking to her Chequers plan. Hardly grounds for his childish instagram bollocks. They show unity and a bit of muscle. She get's to say she's a nice person and stare to camera. After the Conservative conference they 'back down' somewhat so they've been 'accommodating' while she comes out looking tough. When in reality we continue to follow the EU common rule book. What did slip out from May today was the unilateral reassurance for EU citizens living in the UK. Your rights will be preserved. It seemed an odd addition to what is a trade negotiation impasse. Especially with her plans for future immigration coming out soon with many expecting freedom of movement under another name. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 21, 2018 21:16:59 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 21, 2018 21:20:56 GMT
Maybe it’s only me but I feel very suspicious of the latest Eu behaviour If they had positively been help full to may she may not of survived the Tory conference By being disrespectful to her that allows her to do today’s speech and bingo she’s safe for a while Still convinced it was a set up and may will prove to be a Euro quisling Very interesting observation. Tusk's piss take yesterday was supposedly because of May's interview in Welt the night before but that only reiterated that she wouldn't agree a border down the Irish Sea. Which was not new news. Tusk also said it was her conversation before the lunch about sticking to her Chequers plan. Hardly grounds for his childish instagram bollocks. They show unity and a bit of muscle. She get's to say she's a nice person and stare to camera. After the Conservative conference they 'back down' somewhat so they've been 'accommodating' while she comes out looking tough. When in reality we continue to follow the EU common rule book. What did slip out from May today was the unilateral reassurance for EU citizens living in the UK. Your rights will be preserved. It seemed an odd addition to what is a trade negotiation impasse. Especially with her plans for future immigration coming out soon with many expecting freedom of movement under another name. About as convoluted as Ted Rogers...🛢 |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 21, 2018 21:48:29 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 21, 2018 22:19:38 GMT
Theresa's speech was a terrible piece of acting. As if anyone let alone the eu were believing any of that plastic shit I can see this chequers barf going through...once she gives another consession or two Cant help feeling she's working with the eu on this I saw through this shit ages ago, and said so on here. The only surprise is that they didn't lie about the referendum result. Everyone I know thought it would be fixed! |
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Post by pearo on Sept 21, 2018 22:47:08 GMT
This situation is becoming more like “ The Sting” by the day, ( although Theresa May is neither Redford or Newman) and we the British public are being duped into a race where the result is already known. Prime Minister May is adamant that there won’t be a second referendum, that is because she will eventually slide through a deal that appears to be Leave in name but is actually Remain in reality. The 17 million plus leave voters ( whose numbers are rising daily now that Tusk and his cronies have shown their opinions of our nation) will shown their discontent at the next General Election where Mr. Farage will sweep the board in the bulk of constituencies that voted leave.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 22, 2018 0:36:19 GMT
Very interesting observation. Tusk's piss take yesterday was supposedly because of May's interview in Welt the night before but that only reiterated that she wouldn't agree a border down the Irish Sea. Which was not new news. Tusk also said it was her conversation before the lunch about sticking to her Chequers plan. Hardly grounds for his childish instagram bollocks. They show unity and a bit of muscle. She get's to say she's a nice person and stare to camera. After the Conservative conference they 'back down' somewhat so they've been 'accommodating' while she comes out looking tough. When in reality we continue to follow the EU common rule book. What did slip out from May today was the unilateral reassurance for EU citizens living in the UK. Your rights will be preserved. It seemed an odd addition to what is a trade negotiation impasse. Especially with her plans for future immigration coming out soon with many expecting freedom of movement under another name. About as convoluted as Ted Rogers...🛢 I don't expect you to keep up Bath but when you get stuck just let me know and I'll explain. Did you read the Die Welt op ed? What in it lead to Donald Tusk being a twat do you think? Here's the unelected President of the European Council's personal instagram account. All you remoaners must be so proud. Attachment Deleted |
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