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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 11, 2017 13:29:37 GMT
Which was the idea from the start. You are right, people on here and Sky, The Beeb, Channel 4 have battered away at Brexit for a year. Virtually no news item on Brexit was positively reported, and we were painted as racist thickos for voting for it. Corbyn and the left have galvanized the young to vote(or was it social media?)in their droves and the racist thickos have turned to a man who prior to the referendum wanted no upper limit to immigration. A manifesto pledge will mean nothing, he didn't want the fight in the first place. I have said for ages that this is a put up job. The politicians and media were shitting it from the moment the referendum result was announced. As someone mentioned earlier, people are taking pride in the EU shitting on us. They've bullied others into remaining in their mafia; I thought we were made of stronger stuff. Apparently not. It's a joke mate. May was slated for saying this GE was all about Brexit. Labour told us it was about school meals and nationalising the railways. Now everyone is talking about Brexit. The Westminster bubble, remoaners on here and yes the MSM... They got the second referendum they wanted. I voted in Sneyd Green and it was teeming with young people. I don't believe this has happened by accident or from a natural ground swell of Labour support. If that was the case, those same young people would have voted in principle to remain. I voted Labour on idealistic grounds when I was 18, but this has been cynically engineered(for the most part), or they would have voted en mass before. Even with all that Labour couldn't get in, but maybe they were never meant to? |
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Post by Gods on Jun 11, 2017 13:34:38 GMT
Breturn !
Someone needs to hit the 'stop' button pretty quick on brexit before we disappear even further in to the brown stuff but no one political leader has the authority to do it despite our parliament being sovereign.
I suppose the problem would be you would have Mr Farrage hopping up and down down like a swarm of bees had got in to the pants of his pin stripe suit but if you could ride that one out it would probably be the best route forward for the country at large.
Could you ride that storm out? I don't know. It would be a shot to nothing and worth a try I think. I wouldn't want to be the political party which cops the blame for presiding over a hard brexit, they'd be finished for years.
If we don't someone will have to go and pick up our divorce bill next week, they have it ready for us in a brown buff envelope audited and signed off by the accountants.
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Post by Gods on Jun 11, 2017 13:39:58 GMT
Which was the idea from the start. You are right, people on here and Sky, The Beeb, Channel 4 have battered away at Brexit for a year. Virtually no news item on Brexit was positively reported, and we were painted as racist thickos for voting for it. Corbyn and the left have galvanized the young to vote(or was it social media?)in their droves and the racist thickos have turned to a man who prior to the referendum wanted no upper limit to immigration. A manifesto pledge will mean nothing, he didn't want the fight in the first place. I have said for ages that this is a put up job. The politicians and media were shitting it from the moment the referendum result was announced. As someone mentioned earlier, people are taking pride in the EU shitting on us. They've bullied others into remaining in their mafia; I thought we were made of stronger stuff. Apparently not. It's a joke mate. May was slated for saying this GE was all about Brexit. Labour told us it was about school meals and nationalising the railways. Now everyone is talking about Brexit. The Westminster bubble, remoaners on here and yes the MSM... Dickie Davis, BoJo and Doc Fox have all been 'grounded' by party HQ post election haven't they? That's who we should be hearing from... |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 11, 2017 13:43:09 GMT
It's a joke mate. May was slated for saying this GE was all about Brexit. Labour told us it was about school meals and nationalising the railways. Now everyone is talking about Brexit. The Westminster bubble, remoaners on here and yes the MSM... Dickie Davis, BoJo and Doc Fox have all been 'grounded' by party HQ post election haven't they? That's who we should be hearing from... Fit up! |
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Post by capto on Jun 11, 2017 13:49:26 GMT
Dickie Davis, BoJo and Doc Fox have all been 'grounded' by party HQ post election haven't they? That's who we should be hearing from... Fit up! The biter bit. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 11, 2017 15:21:20 GMT
It's a joke mate. May was slated for saying this GE was all about Brexit. Labour told us it was about school meals and nationalising the railways. Now everyone is talking about Brexit. The Westminster bubble, remoaners on here and yes the MSM... Dickie Davis, BoJo and Doc Fox have all been 'grounded' by party HQ post election haven't they? That's who we should be hearing from... They're cabinet ministers no doubt heavily involved in trying to form a workable Government. What would your want to hear from them exactly? |
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Post by Northy on Jun 11, 2017 15:35:48 GMT
What next for Brexit? A piss weak Tory minority govt will have to try to sort out the Brexit mess a previous Tory government got us into. Let's hope everyone remembers that when the EU rolls all over us! If labour hadnt lied about the Lisbon treaty referendum then we wouldnt have been in this mess would we? |
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Post by Northy on Jun 11, 2017 15:38:32 GMT
Gina Miller, Keir Starmer's 137 urgent questions, SNP blocking any Brexit legislation, 114 MP's voting against A50, The Lords rejecting the initial act, Juncker shit stirring to the German press, Barnier plucking a 100 billion Euro 'divorce' bill out of the air, Clegg and Mandelson, Blair reappearing, the Lib Dems writing a second EU ref into their manifesto etc, etc. Ever since the referendum result there has been nothing but many, many groups both in the UK and the EU trying to disrupt and stop Brexit. Maybe just maybe, if those in this country had really, genuinely, actually accepted the vote and backed the UK, May wouldn't have felt the need to call this election to strengthen her hand. None of them had any power - the Tories had the majority and the mandate - its no-ones fault but the Tories. They were greedy for the five years of austerity for the poor and giving all the tax breaks to their financial supporters - five years because it gave them more time to get over any bad economic news after brexit - again, only the Tories to blame. Maybe next time you'll be honest - but you 're Tories , so that's not possible. Labour promised us a referendum on the Lisbon treaty, they signed it without giving us a referendum, is that honesty or telling lies? If we'd had the referendum back then maybe we wouldnt be in the situation we are now and Nigel Farage's face wouldnt have beenbon our TV screens the last 5 years |
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Post by capto on Jun 11, 2017 15:53:20 GMT
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Post by Gods on Jun 11, 2017 17:28:47 GMT
Dickie Davis, BoJo and Doc Fox have all been 'grounded' by party HQ post election haven't they? That's who we should be hearing from... They're cabinet ministers no doubt heavily involved in trying to form a workable Government. What would your want to hear from them exactly? Well I don't want to hear from them full stop. But the moan in the Tweet was that there were no brexiteers on the Marr show etc. this morning. Of course all these shows would happily have had the 'brexit 3' on, Davis, Johnson and Fox, but Tory HQ has grounded them so you can hardly blame the programmers. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 11, 2017 17:36:26 GMT
They're cabinet ministers no doubt heavily involved in trying to form a workable Government. What would your want to hear from them exactly? Well I don't want to hear from them full stop. But the moan in the Tweet was that there were no brexiteers on the Marr show etc. this morning. Of course all these shows would happily have had the 'brexit 3' on, Davis, Johnson and Fox, but Tory HQ has grounded them so you can hardly blame the programmers. Marr, the staunch Labour supporter? Come on, the Beeb has been anti Brexit all the way like Channel 4 News and Sky. It's alright though, because it looks like you and others are getting their way; it won't be worth a shit when it's finished. |
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Post by Gods on Jun 11, 2017 17:47:41 GMT
Well I don't want to hear from them full stop. But the moan in the Tweet was that there were no brexiteers on the Marr show etc. this morning. Of course all these shows would happily have had the 'brexit 3' on, Davis, Johnson and Fox, but Tory HQ has grounded them so you can hardly blame the programmers. Marr, the staunch Labour supporter? Come on, the Beeb has been anti Brexit all the way like Channel 4 News and Sky. It's alright though, because it looks like you and others are getting their way; it won't be worth a shit when it's finished. I never mentioned Marr, I never brought the topic up. Jonesy re-tweeted something from @.LEAVEEU.GB, whatever the hell that is, which bemoaned the lack of brexiteers on the TV this morning. I merely pointed out that the Tories have 'benched ' their top brexit boys so you can hardly blame the BBC or any other show for that matter. Let's face it with Farrage retired and the brexit 3 grounded the world isn't exactly blessed with articulate pro-brexit spokespeople. |
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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 11, 2017 18:01:00 GMT
Marr, the staunch Labour supporter? Come on, the Beeb has been anti Brexit all the way like Channel 4 News and Sky. It's alright though, because it looks like you and others are getting their way; it won't be worth a shit when it's finished. I never mentioned Marr, I never brought the topic up. Jonesy re-tweeted something from @.LEAVEEU.GB, whatever the hell that is, which bemoaned the lack of brexiteers on the TV this morning. I merely pointed out that the Tories have 'benched ' their top brexit boys so you can hardly blame the BBC or any other show for that matter. Let's face it with Farrage retired and the brexit 3 grounded the world isn't exactly blessed with articulate pro-brexit spokespeople. Jezza? He was secretly delighted by the referendum result and his manifesto, containing large nationalisations and commitments on immigration reduction, will require us to leave the EU/single market. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 11, 2017 18:11:08 GMT
Marr, the staunch Labour supporter? Come on, the Beeb has been anti Brexit all the way like Channel 4 News and Sky. It's alright though, because it looks like you and others are getting their way; it won't be worth a shit when it's finished. I never mentioned Marr, I never brought the topic up. Jonesy re-tweeted something from @.LEAVEEU.GB, whatever the hell that is, which bemoaned the lack of brexiteers on the TV this morning. I merely pointed out that the Tories have 'benched ' their top brexit boys so you can hardly blame the BBC or any other show for that matter. Let's face it with Farrage retired and the brexit 3 grounded the world isn't exactly blessed with articulate pro-brexit spokespeople. Kate Hoey, Dominic Rabb. There are plenty of them. They're just pushing the hard Brexit is dead narrative. Even though a hard Brexit doesn't exist. They'll eventually paint the negotiations as a shit fight and it's all too complicated so they can start with their real end game that Brexit doesn't really have any support. Anyway, they don't have to be MP's. We've seen and heard enough from Campbell and Osborne. Dyson, Aaron Banks... The list goes on but it's more convenient to make our there are only 4 Brexit supporters. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 11, 2017 18:20:03 GMT
Well, well. The EU are now pretending/threatening it will take a year to write a 'new' mandate for Barnier to negotiate trade and divorce at the same time!!
The UK have said nothing but this since the referendum result.
And this just after May's hand was weakened by all those who voted against her. Give yourselves a fucking pat on the back.
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Post by felonious on Jun 11, 2017 18:35:32 GMT
What next for Brexit? A piss weak Tory minority govt will have to try to sort out the Brexit mess a previous Tory government got us into. Let's hope everyone remembers that when the EU rolls all over us! If labour hadnt lied about the Lisbon treaty referendum then we wouldnt have been in this mess would we? Was it a "treaty"? |
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Post by felonious on Jun 11, 2017 18:37:37 GMT
Breturn ! Someone needs to hit the 'stop' button pretty quick on brexit before we disappear even further in to the brown stuff but no one political leader has the authority to do it despite our parliament being sovereign. I suppose the problem would be you would have Mr Farrage hopping up and down down like a swarm of bees had got in to the pants of his pin stripe suit but if you could ride that one out it would probably be the best route forward for the country at large. Could you ride that storm out? I don't know. It would be a shot to nothing and worth a try I think. I wouldn't want to be the political party which cops the blame for presiding over a hard brexit, they'd be finished for years. If we don't someone will have to go and pick up our divorce bill next week, they have it ready for us in a brown buff envelope audited and signed off by the accountants. Don't be daft you should know by now that nothing relating to the EU ever gets signed off by accountants. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 18:40:44 GMT
What can Farage do here if he manages to get in on some by election?
How much trouble could he cause if he sniffs a weak deal in the offing?
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Post by Gods on Jun 11, 2017 19:42:59 GMT
What can Farage do here if he manages to get in on some by election? How much trouble could he cause if he sniffs a weak deal in the offing? Yeah sort of 8th time lucky it would have to be for Farrage in a parliamentary election  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 11, 2017 19:50:35 GMT
What can Farage do here if he manages to get in on some by election? How much trouble could he cause if he sniffs a weak deal in the offing? He will do fuck all, much like he's done nothing in the EU Parliament. He barely turned up. He's a fantastic protester, but a shit politician. |
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Post by Northy on Jun 11, 2017 20:07:02 GMT
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Post by shangamuzo on Jun 11, 2017 20:33:59 GMT
Seems obvious this morning that the mandate for a "hard" Brexit has not been achieved. So a "soft" Brexit it will be. But what is a soft Brexit? As far as I can tell it means access to the single market. Of course a condition for which is accepting the four freedoms of Europe; the movement of goods, capital, services and (yes) labour. Not forgetting shelling out a big wad of cash for the privilege. The Swiss model. There is now probably enough folk in parliament prepared to accept those terms, so is this the future for Brexit Britain? If so - expect further ructions inside the Tory party and, possibly, the return of Sir Nige riding to the rescue. . John McDonnell told Peston this morning that staying in the single market would not be honouring the referendum result. L |
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 11, 2017 21:00:09 GMT
Tony Bliar former Labour PM lying to the British people! no never  at least the Tories were true to their word on a referendum. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 11, 2017 21:02:25 GMT
Breturn ! Someone needs to hit the 'stop' button pretty quick on brexit before we disappear even further in to the brown stuff but no one political leader has the authority to do it despite our parliament being sovereign. I suppose the problem would be you would have Mr Farrage hopping up and down down like a swarm of bees had got in to the pants of his pin stripe suit but if you could ride that one out it would probably be the best route forward for the country at large. Could you ride that storm out? I don't know. It would be a shot to nothing and worth a try I think. I wouldn't want to be the political party which cops the blame for presiding over a hard brexit, they'd be finished for years. If we don't someone will have to go and pick up our divorce bill next week, they have it ready for us in a brown buff envelope audited and signed off by the accountants. Don't be daft you should know by now that nothing relating to the EU ever gets signed off by accountants. Audited is a dirty word in the EU, do they ever get audited ? |
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Post by songthrush01 on Jun 11, 2017 21:14:47 GMT
What can Farage do here if he manages to get in on some by election? How much trouble could he cause if he sniffs a weak deal in the offing? He will do fuck all, much like he's done nothing in the EU Parliament. He barely turned up. He's a fantastic protester, but a shit politician. he should be prime minister,he would sort the country out part time or full time |
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 11, 2017 21:23:51 GMT
What can Farage do here if he manages to get in on some by election? How much trouble could he cause if he sniffs a weak deal in the offing? He will do fuck all, much like he's done nothing in the EU Parliament. He barely turned up. He's a fantastic protester, but a shit politician. Very similar to Corbyn then, then again he did succeed in his aim and never changed his views on leaving the EU unlike Corbyn of course  in out in out he shakes it all about you do the Corbyn oakey then he turns around that's what he's all about. |
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Post by Northy on Jun 12, 2017 8:02:38 GMT
That has nothing to do with Brexit, that march was against who they thought were the people who think stopping muslim extremism killing more innocent people is changing your facebook status or singing 'don't look back in anger' and want the parliament to do more. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 12, 2017 8:23:37 GMT
Here we go.....
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Post by starkiller on Jun 12, 2017 8:52:39 GMT
48% voted remain, I bet most of us would take a soft brexit deal. There's no way all who voted leave want a hard brexit either, so soft is fair. Both phrases introduced after the referendum result. Out means fucking out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 9:00:27 GMT
No doubt we'll end up shelling more money out to the Europeans.
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at least the Tories were true to their word on a referendum.
in out in out he shakes it all about you do the Corbyn oakey then he turns around that's what he's all about.
