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Post by LL Cool Dave on Feb 28, 2023 11:41:44 GMT
I've just heard a clip of Rishi Sunak describing being in the uk and the EU as the most enviable and exciting position in the world!! There we have it... How many English based companies will now set up branches in NI off the back of this?
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Post by yeswilko on Feb 28, 2023 11:49:09 GMT
I've just heard a clip of Rishi Sunak describing being in the uk and the EU as the most enviable and exciting position in the world!! There we have it... How many English based companies will now set up branches in NI off the back of this? We've got Boris Johnson banging on about how Ukraine needs to be in the EU and Rushi Sunak saying that one bit of the uk being in the EU would be the envy of the world... it's just head-banging stuff.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 28, 2023 11:50:28 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2023 12:30:31 GMT
You just have to laugh I suppose................
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 28, 2023 12:51:27 GMT
He is either lying, or he doesn’t want the most enviable and exciting position in the world for the rest of the UK. Why? Because of blind brexit cultish ideology, and fear of right wing racists. “Fear of right wing racists” still peddling this myth that it was some far right uprising? Mick Lynch is a brexiteer. Not all brexiteers are racist. But all racists who voted, voted to leave. Brexit is mostly about the mythical “taking back control”. It has always been a right wing crusade, hence why the BNP, Ukip and the ERG are the biggest advocates of brexit. Brexit was done by the right wing establishment for the right wing establishment. Their greatest achievement was playing on fear and hate of the left, and also of the working classes, to get them on side.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 28, 2023 12:52:41 GMT
I think you might have put this on the wrong thread Huddy, surely it belongs on the Today in Clown World thread. 🤦♂️
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Post by lordb on Feb 28, 2023 12:53:50 GMT
“Fear of right wing racists” still peddling this myth that it was some far right uprising? Mick Lynch is a brexiteer. Not all brexiteers are racist. But all racists who voted, voted to leave. Brexit is mostly about the mythical “taking back control”. It has always been a right wing crusade, hence why the BNP, Ukip and the ERG are the biggest advocates of brexit. Brexit was done by the right wing establishment for the right wing establishment. Their greatest achievement was playing on fear and hate of the left, and also of the working classes, to get them on side. agree however as well as that in the deep past it was also a left wing crusade as they saw the EEC as a 'capatalist club'
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 28, 2023 13:17:04 GMT
“Fear of right wing racists” still peddling this myth that it was some far right uprising? Mick Lynch is a brexiteer. Not all brexiteers are racist. But all racists who voted, voted to leave. Brexit is mostly about the mythical “taking back control”. It has always been a right wing crusade, hence why the BNP, Ukip and the ERG are the biggest advocates of brexit. Brexit was done by the right wing establishment for the right wing establishment. Their greatest achievement was playing on fear and hate of the left, and also of the working classes, to get them on side. You are wrong. Brexit is in the interests of the working class of this country just as much as the right wing establishment. In fact it is the EU that is the cradle of capitalists. I am not a left winger myself, but I agree with the views expressed by the Workers of England article in 2016, which are: " The EU will influence the future of the NHS just as it helped smooth Tory privatisation of the Post Office and the organisational break-up of the railways; it is in tune with austerity and drives a larger and more deadly version in the eurozone; it escalates problems linked to housing, work, wages and education; creates worry and stirs up anger and threatens people’s sense of self. A lazy acceptance of establishment propaganda and a fear of being branded “xenophobic” have silenced many liberals and left-wingers. And yet the EU is driven by big business. This is a very corporate coup. It is essential to understand where the EU is heading. The mission? To create a centralised superstate." www.workersofengland.co.uk/w-e-u-news/the-left-wing-case-for-leaving-the-eu/Throughout most of the 20th century we saw wealth inequality falling in the UK, but that stopped when the UK joined the EEC. Since then inequality has been on the increase: www.resolutionfoundation.org/app/uploads/2020/12/The-UKs-wealth-distribution.pdf Figure 1, page 15 The unelected EU Commission is dominated by corporate lobbying in Brussels. www.alter-eu.org/corporate-capture-in-europe-when-big-business-dominates-policy-making-and-threatens-our-rightThe EU Council of Ministers and parliament can only approve policy drafted by Brussels bureaucrats whose aim is ever closer union, gradually reducing the sovereignty of member countries. Nature is being destroyed by the Common Agricultural Policy driven by the business interests of food and chemical companies. friendsoftheearth.eu/corporate-power/corporate-capture/www.desmog.com/2021/12/09/network-agribusiness-chemicals-pesticides-lobbying-eu-sustainable-climate-farming/The whole corrupt set up of the EU is sickening to any decent citizen. We have left the EU thank God and are now enjoying the lowest unemployment in Britain in half a century. We have returned to the levels of unemployment not seen since before we went into Europe. British workers are receiving the largest wage increases not seen for decades. If you don't believe the EU drives poverty, look at what is happening in Germany during the last two decades: www.inspiredminds.de/en/poverty-in-germany/a-63414138During that time the UK has been assisting the German economy with a massive trade balance deficit. UK productivity has been poor for decades due to short term investment and reliance on cheap foreign labour. Higher labour costs will drive much needed investment in automation, robotics, etc. I am a free trader and opposed to the barriers the EU set up to protect the EU's capitalist market from world competition, and dress it up as " customs union". As Gaitskell once said joining "Europe" would be end of Britain as an independent state, and as Tony Benn said about the European Commission that if it drafts all the legislation and cannot be removed, we don't have democracy.
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 28, 2023 13:36:18 GMT
You just have to laugh I suppose................ tried laughing, just ended up crying.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 28, 2023 14:04:04 GMT
I think you might have put this on the wrong thread Huddy, surely it belongs on the Today in Clown World thread. 🤦♂️ Sunak preparing the way for a steady reintegration and realignment, which the next government (preferably not a Tory one) will build on. Eventually we'll be a member in all but name, akin to Switzerland or Norway, until all the Brexiteers are dead and we can put it behind us as a rather damaging and pointless 15 year aberration.
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 28, 2023 14:09:39 GMT
“Fear of right wing racists” still peddling this myth that it was some far right uprising? Mick Lynch is a brexiteer. Not all brexiteers are racist. But all racists who voted, voted to leave. Brexit is mostly about the mythical “taking back control”. It has always been a right wing crusade, hence why the BNP, Ukip and the ERG are the biggest advocates of brexit. Brexit was done by the right wing establishment for the right wing establishment. Their greatest achievement was playing on fear and hate of the left, and also of the working classes, to get them on side. And you know this how.....? You know absolutely every single one of them and spoke to them asking them why they voted did you>? Youre just waffling now....
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Post by wannabee on Feb 28, 2023 14:13:58 GMT
The irony of Rishi's words are not lost on anyone as I said yesterday but I'll give him credit for attempting to make a bad situation slightly better This is a much more grown up position to take than previously by a Charlatan followed by an Idealog. In many respects it's the approach I'd hoped Starmer would take if he got into Office In his case we have only his words to gauge on and quite frankly some of them don't fill me with confidence. If someone demonstrates with their actions I'll give credit In case it becomes lost in the melee NI's Trading position with EU and Britain is the same today as it was last week. What has been achieved is a less bureaucratic import/export system between NI/Britain. The "Fix" and why it was necessary was because DUP found the previous arrangement lessened NI Sovereignty within UK. Nothing whatsoever to do with Trade. Whether they accept and restore NI Parliament is still open because as a Minority Party they will have to accept being Deputy to Sinn Fein the biggest Party. We shall see. I'm hopeful, not confident, that Ursala and her "Dear Rishi" can move ahead in other areas. Already the door has been opened for UK to join the €100 Bn Horizon Research Project as an Associate Member, being outside would have set the UK back for decades. I have suggested that the next area of cooperation could be Food Security where we have seen recently how quickly it can break down I'm not suggesting rejoining CAP but an SPS agreement to maintain equivalent standards makes distribution between UK/EU so much more simpler without the attendant certificates and import/export paperwork It is only Brexit Idealogs who come to the conclusion CAP = Bad Elms = Good and certainly not Farmers They are warning that Elms and other Government actions are putting UK Domestic Food Production in jeopardy If you are going to replace CAP then do so with something better and not just an inferior Budget saving scheme Some extracts of what Minette Batters Farmers Union President will say today at their Annual Conference The NFU president, Minette Batters, will outline “three cornerstones” for ensuring that UK food production prospers, and call on the government to ensure its farming policy achieves this by “boosting productivity, protecting the environment and managing volatility”. High energy prices remain one of the main challenges, combined with chronic labour shortages affecting the poultry industry, which is also dealing with the avian influenza outbreak. Pig farms and horticulture businesses have also been knocked by energy costs and lack of staff.
It comes at a time when many farmers believe they have been undercut by the trade deals negotiated by the government, and are unimpressed with ministers’ plans for its post-Brexit environmental land management schemes (Elms), subsidies designed to replace the EU’s common agricultural policy (CAP).
www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/21/britains-farmers-battered-by-brexit-fallout-and-rising-costs-says-union
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 28, 2023 14:21:38 GMT
Not all brexiteers are racist. But all racists who voted, voted to leave. Brexit is mostly about the mythical “taking back control”. It has always been a right wing crusade, hence why the BNP, Ukip and the ERG are the biggest advocates of brexit. Brexit was done by the right wing establishment for the right wing establishment. Their greatest achievement was playing on fear and hate of the left, and also of the working classes, to get them on side. And you know this how.....? You know absolutely every single one of them and spoke to them asking them why they voted did you>? Youre just waffling now.... This has been called out before, not least when I said it! Someone posted some research that showed that if you had racist inclinations you were almost three times more likely to vote Leave than Remain, but some racists did vote Remain. So you can't say all the racists voted leave at all, just that they were overwhelmingly more likely to do so
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 28, 2023 14:51:55 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 28, 2023 14:56:52 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 28, 2023 15:11:01 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 28, 2023 15:18:13 GMT
That's Bianco, surely...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 28, 2023 15:21:14 GMT
MrCoke in using increases in growth from pandemic levels to claim Brexit related success shock
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Post by wannabee on Feb 28, 2023 15:35:32 GMT
Are you trying to be deliberately misleading or just ignorent of the facts? Whisky was by far the biggest export accounting for 25% of all Food and Drink Exports followed by some distance Chocolate Next came Cheese, Gin and Salmon. Could you enlighten us, preferably in a brief answer, how this is helping UK Farmers? www.fdf.org.uk/fdf/business-insights-and-economics/trade-statistics/
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 28, 2023 16:03:26 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 28, 2023 16:05:09 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Feb 28, 2023 16:57:13 GMT
Why bother replying with other irrelevance if you don't want to answer the question asked? Are you clutching at🥤🥤 The first article you linked says Beef Exports to EU are improving after Covid but not yet back to pre Brexit levels. Is this a Brexit win? It goes on to say that Beef Exports outside EU are down 36% on previous year. Another win? The second Article says Welsh Lamb is being exported to US for first time in 20 years and hopes that Exports can reach £37M in five years.Well whoopty Doo
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Post by yeswilko on Feb 28, 2023 17:12:09 GMT
That's Bianco, surely... Haven't seen him comment that much on Brexit, I think he's stuck on a covid and trans loop.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 28, 2023 17:14:00 GMT
Good to see that increasing numbers of the Government, even if pro-Brexit, are recognising it has been an abject failure to date, is making most people worse off, dragging the UK economy down , damaging investment and leaving the UK a laughing stock.
Their efforts to limit the damage should be welcomed.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 28, 2023 17:29:01 GMT
Why bother replying with other irrelevance if you don't want to answer the question asked? Are you clutching at🥤🥤 The first article you linked says Beef Exports to EU are improving after Covid but not yet back to pre Brexit levels. Is this a Brexit win? It goes on to say that Beef Exports outside EU are down 36% on previous year. Another win? The second Article says Welsh Lamb is being exported to US for first time in 20 years and hopes that Exports can reach £37M in five years.Well whoopty Doo Exports at record levels does help farmers I suggest: www.grampianonline.co.uk/news/red-meat-exports-from-the-uk-reach-record-levels-304133/Why are you obsessed with exports to the EU? That's all we hear from those opposed to Brexit. We are now global Britain. The rest of the world market is 4 times greater than the EU and growing twice as fast. You might mock at Welsh lamb sales, Welsh farmers aren't. The potential of the North American market is massive and growing faster than the EU. Here's news from Scotland for you to mock: www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/business_sales/cattle_sales/23341114.uk-beef-exports-46-640m---sheepmeat-shipments-13-503m/
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Post by henry on Feb 28, 2023 17:45:58 GMT
And you know this how.....? You know absolutely every single one of them and spoke to them asking them why they voted did you>? Youre just waffling now.... This has been called out before, not least when I said it! Someone posted some research that showed that if you had racist inclinations you were almost three times more likely to vote Leave than Remain, but some racists did vote Remain. So you can't say all the racists voted leave at all, just that they were overwhelmingly more likely to do so So someone went round knocking on doors or cold calling and had an opening line of "sorry to disturb you, do you have racist inclinations" ?
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 28, 2023 17:50:21 GMT
Why bother replying with other irrelevance if you don't want to answer the question asked? Are you clutching at🥤🥤 The first article you linked says Beef Exports to EU are improving after Covid but not yet back to pre Brexit levels. Is this a Brexit win? It goes on to say that Beef Exports outside EU are down 36% on previous year. Another win? The second Article says Welsh Lamb is being exported to US for first time in 20 years and hopes that Exports can reach £37M in five years.Well whoopty Doo Exports at record levels does help farmers I suggest: www.grampianonline.co.uk/news/red-meat-exports-from-the-uk-reach-record-levels-304133/Why are you obsessed with exports to the EU? That's all we hear from those opposed to Brexit. We are now global Britain. The rest of the world market is 4 times greater than the EU and growing twice as fast. You might mock at Welsh lamb sales, Welsh farmers aren't. The potential of the North American market is massive and growing faster than the EU. Here's news from Scotland for you to mock: www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/business_sales/cattle_sales/23341114.uk-beef-exports-46-640m---sheepmeat-shipments-13-503m/In the first article, it says that 94% of sheep exports were to the EU. Did we not already trade with Canada as part of the commonwealth? Have we since created new trade deals with China, the Philippines and the US that have surpassed the prior trade deals with the EU?
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Post by yeswilko on Feb 28, 2023 18:04:43 GMT
This has been called out before, not least when I said it! Someone posted some research that showed that if you had racist inclinations you were almost three times more likely to vote Leave than Remain, but some racists did vote Remain. So you can't say all the racists voted leave at all, just that they were overwhelmingly more likely to do so So someone went round knocking on doors or cold calling and had an opening line of "sorry to disturb you, do you have racist inclinations" ? There was a shocking amount of people being openly vile to foreigners in the days after the result came in. If you're xenophobic and racist you'd obviously vote for something anti immigration.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 28, 2023 18:23:17 GMT
Why bother replying with other irrelevance if you don't want to answer the question asked? Are you clutching at🥤🥤 The first article you linked says Beef Exports to EU are improving after Covid but not yet back to pre Brexit levels. Is this a Brexit win? It goes on to say that Beef Exports outside EU are down 36% on previous year. Another win? The second Article says Welsh Lamb is being exported to US for first time in 20 years and hopes that Exports can reach £37M in five years.Well whoopty Doo Exports at record levels does help farmers I suggest: Indeed they do, if it were true, which it's not You still haven't replied Why Whisky, Chocolate and Gin Exports benefit Farmerswww.grampianonline.co.uk/news/red-meat-exports-from-the-uk-reach-record-levels-304133/Do you even read what you link? Partially driven by increased prices and Partially by improvement in Trade with EUWhy are you obsessed with exports to the EU? That's all we hear from those opposed to Brexit. We are now global Britain. The rest of the world market is 4 times greater than the EU and growing twice as fast. I'm not especially merely commenting on your link which said Exports to EU were up 30% last year, but not yet at pre Brexit Levels And that Exports to ROW were down 36%. Does this concern you?You might mock at Welsh lamb sales, Welsh farmers aren't. The potential of the North American market is massive and growing faster than the EU. You misjudge me, I have every concern for Welsh Lamb Farmers. Their biggest concern is that the Trade Deal with New Zealand has left them "High and Dry" www.walesfarmer.co.uk/news/19985833.farmers-left-high-dry-nz-trade-deal/Here's news from Scotland for you to mock: This is the same Article as above picked up from the same Wire Service so unfortunately not good news for Scottish Farmers
You don't get to count it twice because two different Magazines report the same storywww.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/business_sales/cattle_sales/23341114.uk-beef-exports-46-640m---sheepmeat-shipments-13-503m/
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 28, 2023 18:27:39 GMT
No wonder the rest of the world is laughing at us ...
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