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Post by wannabee on Feb 26, 2023 0:36:12 GMT
This post is in reply to Mr Coke's posts responding to other posts on the fallacy that Brexit isn't to blame for food shortages in the UK Turnips are good, but oh I yearn to return to my "salad days" (Shakespeare) There is a rumour abroad (pun intended) that Brexit has no influence on why we Brits are grudgingly munching on our Nips while those dastardly French and Italians and even the Germans, Gott in Himmel! are happily enjoying such exotic treats like Peppers, Cucumbers, Courgettes and dare I mention it Tomatoes Those Johnny Foreigners may well scoff at Perfidious Albion's (I wonder the origins of why such a nickname was created ) current misfortune, but do they have Sovereignty?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 26, 2023 0:43:20 GMT
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 26, 2023 9:37:21 GMT
Of course, we have a proud heritage with turnips , going back long before the 1950's
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Post by wannabee on Feb 26, 2023 11:51:59 GMT
Thanks for posting Huddy The Article clearly demonstrates how Ireland's Food/Goods Supply Chain has massively altered since Brexit It has switched from using the "Land Bridge" at the Tunnel to directly ship from Mainland Europe to Irish Ports increasing by 400/500% The Irish Market is small, but so too is the UK Market in comparison to EU which is why EU Food Producers can avoid the hassle and expense of supplying the UK Market when better margins are available on their doorstep It's not just the Trade (Income/Jobs) which is lost at Channel and Welsh Ports as the Article points out it is tourism, cultural links and education for an increasingly isolationist UK The only increasing activity at the Channel Ports is catering to Small Boats
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 27, 2023 7:49:55 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 27, 2023 14:43:10 GMT
WE HAVE A BREXIT DEAL!!!! The first NI protocol was so bad it has had to be renegotiated within a couple of years and hasn’t yet been fully implemented. The main trade deal with the EU also hasn’t been fully implemented yet because it is so bad for us compared to what we had.
Will any brexiteers so adamant brexit was great before the vote come on to defend these deals?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 27, 2023 15:00:41 GMT
WE HAVE A BREXIT DEAL!!!! The first NI protocol was so bad it has had to be renegotiated within a couple of years and hasn’t yet been fully implemented. The main trade deal with the EU also hasn’t been fully implemented yet because it is so bad for us compared to what we had. Will any brexiteers so adamant brexit was great before the vote come on to defend these deals? No We should of walked in 2016 with no deal If the eu want a border between Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland It should be imposed by them in Ireland
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2023 15:12:53 GMT
Well ERG hardliner Steve Baker seems pretty happy ...
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 27, 2023 15:16:56 GMT
WE HAVE A BREXIT DEAL!!!! The first NI protocol was so bad it has had to be renegotiated within a couple of years and hasn’t yet been fully implemented. The main trade deal with the EU also hasn’t been fully implemented yet because it is so bad for us compared to what we had. Will any brexiteers so adamant brexit was great before the vote come on to defend these deals? No We should of walked in 2016 with no deal If the eu want a border between Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland It should be imposed by them in Ireland Yep, just walk away. That’s how politics works.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 27, 2023 15:21:08 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2023 15:24:50 GMT
Johnson must be absolutely apoplectic! 😁
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 27, 2023 15:58:02 GMT
WE HAVE A BREXIT DEAL!!!! The first NI protocol was so bad it has had to be renegotiated within a couple of years and hasn’t yet been fully implemented. The main trade deal with the EU also hasn’t been fully implemented yet because it is so bad for us compared to what we had. Will any brexiteers so adamant brexit was great before the vote come on to defend these deals? No We should of walked in 2016 with no deal If the eu want a border between Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland It should be imposed by them in Ireland Wouldn't that give Ireland / the EU sole control over one of our borders?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 27, 2023 16:09:58 GMT
The truth is 99% of Brexiteers don't give a shit about the people of Northern Ireland and couldn't care less what agreement is or isn't made, it doesn't even register on their radar........
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2023 16:46:09 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 27, 2023 16:58:04 GMT
No We should of walked in 2016 with no deal If the eu want a border between Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland It should be imposed by them in Ireland Wouldn't that give Ireland / the EU sole control over one of our borders? Not if you believe really, really hard.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 27, 2023 17:18:51 GMT
The truth is 99% of Brexiteers don't give a shit about the people of Northern Ireland and couldn't care less what agreement is or isn't made, it doesn't even register on their radar........ To be fair, 790k people in NI voted to leave. I’d imagine that those deals registered on their radar.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 27, 2023 17:35:27 GMT
It would be churlish not to acknowledge that Rishi has negotiated a very good amendment for everyone's benefit, most especially the people of Northern Ireland It's amazing what can be achieved when the Toddlers have been put to bed leaving only the Adults in the room This breakthrough became possible when UK finally honoured its commitments and began to provide Real Time Data on Exports from Britain to Northern Ireland which had been agreed in original deal but never honoured www.reuters.com/world/europe/britain-eu-reach-it-access-agreement-part-nireland-protocol-talks-2023-01-09/The clever clause allowing NI to reject any new EU Laws without consent of NI Parliament leaves DUP no option but to agree knowing full well it will never happen as Sinn Fein wouldn't allow it. Mr Coke will be a bit annoyed as a further Quid Pro Quo is when the deal is ratified UK will be allowed to be an Associate Member of the Horizon Scientific R&D Project. He has told me on several occasions that the UK alternative Plan B was far superior How he reached that conclusion I don't know as Plan B doesn't exist Hopefully this ushers in a new era of cooperation for mutual benefit leading to further amendments to the TCA An SPS Agreement would be a good start agreeing to keep mutual Food Standards allowing easier Export/Import of Food Products without requiring a Veterinary Certificate
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 27, 2023 17:47:30 GMT
Well ERG hardliner Steve Baker seems pretty happy ... That sounds familiar
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 27, 2023 17:52:10 GMT
It would be churlish not to acknowledge that Rishi has negotiated a very good amendment for everyone's benefit, most especially the people of Northern Ireland It's amazing what can be achieved when the Toddlers have been put to bed leaving only the Adults in the room This breakthrough became possible when UK finally honoured its commitments and began to provide Real Time Data on Exports from Britain to Northern Ireland which had been agreed in original deal but never honoured www.reuters.com/world/europe/britain-eu-reach-it-access-agreement-part-nireland-protocol-talks-2023-01-09/The clever clause allowing NI to reject any new EU Laws without consent of NI Parliament leaves DUP no option but to agree knowing full well it will never happen as Sinn Fein wouldn't allow it. Mr Coke will be a bit annoyed as a further Quid Pro Quo is when the deal is ratified UK will be allowed to be an Associate Member of the Horizon Scientific R&D Project. He has told me on several occasions that the UK alternative Plan B was far superior How he reached that conclusion I don't know as Plan B doesn't exist Hopefully this ushers in a new era of cooperation for mutual benefit leading to further amendments to the TCA An SPS Agreement would be a good start agreeing to keep mutual Food Standards allowing easier Export/Import of Food Products without requiring a Veterinary Certificate Indeed. Hopefully the first of many slow and steady sensible moves to undo all the damage that has been done and continues to be done.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2023 19:48:19 GMT
Sunak receiving unequivocal praise from all sides of the House for the deal he has negotiated.
There is one notable absentee however, the bluffer in chief is not to be found anywhere.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 27, 2023 19:54:45 GMT
While all this back slapping is going on, including from me, let us look at what the problem was and how it has been resolved
Problem: NI is and will remain in EU Single Market. This then required British suppliers to complete Export Documentation to sell goods to NI. Upwards of two thirds of British suppliers decided it was not cost effective to do so and stopped selling goods to NI
Solution: A new system will apply where British Suppliers who sell goods to NI which are to remain in NI no longer require Export Documentation. If the end destination for the goods is Southern Ireland Export Documentation is required
Now while we are celebrating this breakthrough let us spare a thought for these same British Suppliers who want to sell into EU
They still have to go through the same nightmare and cost of Export Documentation which is why 40% and rising have stopped selling to EU
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2023 20:08:36 GMT
While all this back slapping is going on, including from me, let us look at what the problem was and how it has been resolved Problem: NI is and will remain in EU Single Market. This then required British suppliers to complete Export Documentation to sell goods to NI. Upwards of two thirds of British suppliers decided it was not cost effective to do so and stopped selling goods to NI Solution: A new system will apply where British Suppliers who sell goods to NI which are to remain in NI no longer require Export Documentation. If the end destination for the goods is Southern Ireland Export Documentation is required Now while we are celebrating this breakthrough let us spare a thought for these same British Suppliers who want to sell into EU They still have to go through the same nightmare and cost of Export Documentation which is why 40% and rising have stopped selling to EU Oh without a shadow of a doubt, what we now have is far better than the dreadful deal that Johnson negotiated but it's certainly far worse than what we had originally. It was quite bizarre listening to Sunak extolling the virtues of the new deal between GB and NI when previously, we already had all of that available to us with the entire continent!
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 27, 2023 20:21:57 GMT
WE HAVE A BREXIT DEAL!!!! The first NI protocol was so bad it has had to be renegotiated within a couple of years and hasn’t yet been fully implemented. The main trade deal with the EU also hasn’t been fully implemented yet because it is so bad for us compared to what we had. Will any brexiteers so adamant brexit was great before the vote come on to defend these deals? No We should of walked in 2016 with no deal If the eu want a border between Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland It should be imposed by them in Ireland Thank goodness you are not in charge. That may have been enough to restart the troubles. Brexit is disaster after disaster. Can you name 5 tangible benefits?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 27, 2023 20:31:05 GMT
No We should of walked in 2016 with no deal If the eu want a border between Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland It should be imposed by them in Ireland Thank goodness you are not in charge. That may have been enough to restart the troubles. Brexit is disaster after disaster. Can you name 5 tangible benefits? It’s almost like changing managers, giving them a transfer window, and doing worse than the previous one. In fact the demise of Stoke City has amazing parallels to Brexit in many ways. It’s like it lives shoulder to shoulder. I say that as somebody who voted Brexit (tin hat at the ready) but even I can see that this isn’t working, so far………. I’m sick of waiting for the benefits
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Post by wannabee on Feb 27, 2023 22:49:20 GMT
Thank goodness you are not in charge. That may have been enough to restart the troubles. Brexit is disaster after disaster. Can you name 5 tangible benefits? It’s almost like changing managers, giving them a transfer window, and doing worse than the previous one. In fact the demise of Stoke City has amazing parallels to Brexit in many ways. It’s like it lives shoulder to shoulder. I say that as somebody who voted Brexit (tin hat at the ready) but even I can see that this isn’t working, so far………. I’m sick of waiting for the benefits I didn't vote for Brexit, but that ship has sailed and I respect Rishi as a Brexiteer but more importantly a pragmatist who is prepared to examine the detail and work out a mutually beneficial agreement It doesn't have to be a zero sum game where you have to win and the other loses It can also be win win. If a Politician acts in the best interest of the Country using the cards they have been dealt I will respect them no matter what colour of their rosettes. I have no time for charlatans who are only interested in their own enrichment
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 28, 2023 11:16:24 GMT
Thank goodness you are not in charge. That may have been enough to restart the troubles. Brexit is disaster after disaster. Can you name 5 tangible benefits? It’s almost like changing managers, giving them a transfer window, and doing worse than the previous one. In fact the demise of Stoke City has amazing parallels to Brexit in many ways. It’s like it lives shoulder to shoulder. I say that as somebody who voted Brexit (tin hat at the ready) but even I can see that this isn’t working, so far………. I’m sick of waiting for the benefits I would imagine there are many who feel the same as you but few who are big enough to admit it isn’t working.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 28, 2023 11:18:46 GMT
It’s almost like changing managers, giving them a transfer window, and doing worse than the previous one. In fact the demise of Stoke City has amazing parallels to Brexit in many ways. It’s like it lives shoulder to shoulder. I say that as somebody who voted Brexit (tin hat at the ready) but even I can see that this isn’t working, so far………. I’m sick of waiting for the benefits I didn't vote for Brexit, but that ship has sailed and I respect Rishi as a Brexiteer but more importantly a pragmatist who is prepared to examine the detail and work out a mutually beneficial agreement It doesn't have to be a zero sum game where you have to win and the other loses It can also be win win. If a Politician acts in the best interest of the Country using the cards they have been dealt I will respect them no matter what colour of their rosettes. I have no time for charlatans who are only interested in their own enrichment You are right. But don’t praise Rishi too much. If he believes in what he has achieved in N Ire, he would want the same for the rest of the country and he would be rejoining the EU or at least becoming a member of the single market and customs union. Also Sunak campaigned and fully backed the original NI protocol in 2019. He was completely wrong then and he is completely wrong now with his position on brexit.
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Post by yeswilko on Feb 28, 2023 11:20:17 GMT
I've just heard a clip of Rishi Sunak describing being in the uk and the EU as the most enviable and exciting position in the world!!
There we have it...
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 28, 2023 11:25:45 GMT
I've just heard a clip of Rishi Sunak describing being in the uk and the EU as the most enviable and exciting position in the world!! There we have it... He is either lying, or he doesn’t want the most enviable and exciting position in the world for the rest of the UK. Why? Because of blind brexit cultish ideology, and fear of right wing racists.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 11:32:38 GMT
I've just heard a clip of Rishi Sunak describing being in the uk and the EU as the most enviable and exciting position in the world!! There we have it... He is either lying, or he doesn’t want the most enviable and exciting position in the world for the rest of the UK. Why? Because of blind brexit cultish ideology, and fear of right wing racists. “Fear of right wing racists” still peddling this myth that it was some far right uprising? Mick Lynch is a brexiteer.
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