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Post by wannabee on Jan 30, 2023 23:26:43 GMT
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Post by foster on Jan 31, 2023 5:42:56 GMT
Exactly! It's an absolute tragedy what it's done to this country. 🙁 I'd always assumed mrcoke was a bloke. Oops.
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Post by gawa on Jan 31, 2023 8:22:11 GMT
How the hell does a country at war with sanctions have a better outlook on their economy than the uk this year.
Did I see mrcoke saying its because of an increase in people being sick from work or something? Why is it only the uk affected by illness and no other countries?
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 31, 2023 10:26:55 GMT
Sunak is announcing 5 brexit benefits on the 3 year anniversary. None are tangible.
One is the free trade deals we have struck (with 70 countries) which is 2 fewer countries than the EU has trade deals with (excluding the 27 member states so that really means each member state has trade deals with 98 countries).
Another is R&D, with the headline being we are trying to rejoin the EU Horizon Science scheme that brexit meant we left!?
Another is our own subsidy regime to replace the much more generous EU subsidies we are no longer getting.
You can’t make this gas lighting up.
Only an absolute foolwould argue brexit has been a successful policy.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 31, 2023 10:32:02 GMT
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 31, 2023 10:32:06 GMT
'negative growth'
cheers brexit
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 31, 2023 10:33:14 GMT
i argued with some thick as shit brexiteer in the pub, and said we're losing £100bn a year because of brexit, and this nobhead was having none of it. Reckoned we'd saved money by not being in the EU anymore.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 31, 2023 10:40:16 GMT
i argued with some thick as shit brexiteer in the pub, and said we're losing £100bn a year because of brexit, and this nobhead was having none of it. Reckoned we'd saved money by not being in the EU anymore. But his uneducated and ill informed point of view is worth the same as yours at the ballot box
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 31, 2023 10:52:28 GMT
i argued with some thick as shit brexiteer in the pub, and said we're losing £100bn a year because of brexit, and this nobhead was having none of it. Reckoned we'd saved money by not being in the EU anymore. But his uneducated and ill informed point of view is worth the same as yours at the ballot box i'm a firm believer of equality in voting, but it's truly frightening. i can only hope the russia report one day gets released and we all get to see how the country was played. But we'll be back in the EU within 6/7 years. No way we can continue to 'take back control' by losing £100bn a year.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 31, 2023 12:40:06 GMT
I'd love to think you're right about rejoining but I fear we have way too many little Englanders who are so easily played by the right-wing press and politicians to "fuck the French" type stupidity when it comes to Europe and foreigners in general, that they'd happily continue to run the country into the ground ahead of any closer ties to Europe.
I can't see any formal rejoin ever. The best we'll get is a Switzerland type arrangement, ie more costly and less beneficial. I hope I'm wrong and more and more people continue to recognise the historic mistake the country made, but it'll take all the aging Tories/Brexiteers to kick the bucket and a sea change among the right-wing press ownership first.
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Post by lordb on Jan 31, 2023 12:44:52 GMT
I'd love to think you're right about rejoining but I fear we have way too many little Englanders who are so easily played by the right-wing press and politicians to "fuck the French" type stupidity when it comes to Europe and foreigners in general, that they'd happily continue to run the country into the ground ahead of any closer ties to Europe. I can't see any formal rejoin ever. The best we'll get is a Switzerland type arrangement, ie more costly and less beneficial. I hope I'm wrong and more and more people continue to recognise the historic mistake the country made, but it'll take all the aging Tories/Brexiteers to kick the bucket and a sea change among the right-wing press ownership first. can't see 'The Press' existing for too much longer 5 years?
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 31, 2023 12:45:23 GMT
I was wrong ... there IS a Brexit benefit apparently. It's all been worth it.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 31, 2023 12:50:49 GMT
Hey, what - am I meant to insure my lawnmower?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 31, 2023 13:04:31 GMT
I was wrong ... there IS a Brexit benefit apparently. It's all been worth it. That reply has surely got to have been given because he's in a bet. No way has he come on to national TV and offered THAT as a serious answer. No doubt he's been out last night with his Tufton Street buddies, drooling into their cognacs, at some men only private members club and they've dared him to come up with some ridiculous bollocks about lawn mower insurance but he only wins the wager, if he is able to maintain a straight face throughout. They're laughing at each and everyone of us.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jan 31, 2023 13:22:08 GMT
The forecast for the UK economy is based on BoE data and I understand that outlook has improved slightly from the numbers provided to the IMF.
That slight mitigation apart, it is clear to all that the UK is performing poorly. That performance is despite coming out of lockdown before most ,and being not so dependent on Russia for gas or oil as many others.
So to explain this performance it is necessary to look for other factors unique to the UK....that will be Brexit and the Tories , making most people poorer.
Indeed they've just pointed out on the radio that a detailed study shows Brexit is responsible for 300,000 of the workforce shortfall......and that it has damaged trade.
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 31, 2023 13:25:45 GMT
I was wrong ... there IS a Brexit benefit apparently. It's all been worth it. That reply has surely got to have been given because he's in a bet. No way has he come on to national TV and offered THAT as a serious answer. No doubt he's been out last night with his Tufton Street buddies, drooling into their cognacs, at some men only private members club and they've dared him to come up with some ridiculous bollocks about lawn mower insurance but he only wins the wager, if he is able to maintain a straight face throughout. They're laughing at each and everyone of us. it has to be a reason ... otherwise he'd list the real benefits surely?
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 31, 2023 13:39:01 GMT
i argued with some thick as shit brexiteer in the pub, and said we're losing £100bn a year because of brexit, and this nobhead was having none of it. Reckoned we'd saved money by not being in the EU anymore. But his uneducated and ill informed point of view is worth the same as yours at the ballot box And so it should be.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 31, 2023 13:54:07 GMT
From that biased lefty rag The Telegraph ... www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/01/31/energy-tax-inflation/BREXIT COSTING UK ECONOMY £100 BILLION A YEAR Did the UK commit an act of economic self-harm when it voted to leave the EU in 2016? The evidence so far still suggests it did. The main takeaway is that the rupture from the single market may have impacted the British economy faster than we, or most other forecasters, expected. The data comes as the IMF downgraded its 2023 UK growth forecast by more than any other G7 nation.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 31, 2023 14:04:07 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 31, 2023 14:33:30 GMT
But his uneducated and ill informed point of view is worth the same as yours at the ballot box And so it should be. Absolutely. But it just goes to show why the brexit referendum should never have happened.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 31, 2023 15:04:09 GMT
From that biased lefty rag The Telegraph ... www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/01/31/energy-tax-inflation/BREXIT COSTING UK ECONOMY £100 BILLION A YEAR Did the UK commit an act of economic self-harm when it voted to leave the EU in 2016? The evidence so far still suggests it did. The main takeaway is that the rupture from the single market may have impacted the British economy faster than we, or most other forecasters, expected. The data comes as the IMF downgraded its 2023 UK growth forecast by more than any other G7 nation. Perhaps we should await Mr Coke's next Quarterly Report before we draw any firm conclusions We shouldn't allow facts get in the way of an alternative narrative no matter how bizarre
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 31, 2023 21:42:30 GMT
liar
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 1, 2023 14:56:33 GMT
britain.unherd.com/I think we might have found where MrCoke lives... That's a pretty damning indictment. Just three constituencies that still think it's a good idea, just one if you remove dead heats!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 1, 2023 15:00:46 GMT
"Being a member of the EU was holding back our economic growth" The UK did better than almost anyone from being a member of the single market! I'll be interested to hear this clown's views if and when UK growth lags consistently behind most of the rest of comparable EU nations, not that he really gives a shit, of course, he'll make money either way.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 1, 2023 17:10:23 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 1, 2023 17:22:09 GMT
But his uneducated and ill informed point of view is worth the same as yours at the ballot box And so it should be. Absolutely. As long as you've got the option to change your mind or opinion or views after 4/5 years.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 1, 2023 19:16:40 GMT
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Post by gawa on Feb 1, 2023 20:07:23 GMT
It would be great to get an update from some of those from the early pages of this thread.
Where's good old Roger for example?
So many vocal supporters of brexit yet it's not a ghost town in here.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 1, 2023 20:41:44 GMT
They have actually no reason to blame anyone. If your asking why Food Inflation is so high from their baseline I expect you know already but the main reason is that Germany Imports 80% of its food mainly from Netherlands, Spain and Italy formerly Cerials and Sunflower Oil from Ukraine but that's not working out very well at the moment The huge increase in Energy cost has pushed the transportation costs for food much higher The UK in comparison Imports about 50% of its Food. The Reason Germans don't have much reason to complain is that the Average Salary in Germany is *€47,700 / £42,212 while the Average Salary in UK is 26% less at *£31,285 so I guess they may not have too much to complain about I guess that's why so many people are on Strike in UK *Both from Statista for 2021 for consistency www.simplegermany.com/what-is-a-good-salary-in-germany/www.statista.com/statistics/1002964/average-full-time-annual-earnings-in-the-uk/
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Post by potteringermany on Feb 1, 2023 22:29:17 GMT
As Wannabee has already mentioned, I don't think the germans are really blaming anyone.
As of 8th December 2022, the overall costs of groceries are 9.36% lower in Germany than they are in the UK; eating out is 20.44% less in Germany than in the UK and a half a liter bottle of domestic beer is 223.82% cheaper in Germany than in the UK.
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