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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 19:04:51 GMT
I don't know what you are getting at Red, You are prepared to believe anything as long as it makes you feel better. The poll in question asked a ridiculous 389 Leave voters, hardly can be extrapolated as representative of the population....we don't even know if they were telling the truth. Absolutely pointless....except to try to make you feel better. To be fair, most, if not all, polls posted on here are ridiculous in terms of the numbers of people polled or their demographics. 20k plus is prob the minimum that should be polled to give ANY kind of reliability, and even with that number I'd be skeptical based on who has conducted that poll. I think polls are suspect in any case Fos. I believe that the last few preceeding an election have been way off the mark.not representative. Also I know at 2 people who were asked for opinions( not political ones) in a survey who delighted in giving " wrong answers" But , in my post ,what I am talking about is specifically that ipsos poll, which is wrong on so many levels, but people kap it up to confirm that " they were right"... what is what much of this is about. As you say the referendum has taken place. That is the poll that actually mattered . A decision was made. The debate from hereonin is about how uk governments deal with the issues facing the UK.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 25, 2022 21:12:12 GMT
I don't know what you are getting at Red, You are prepared to believe anything as long as it makes you feel better. The poll in question asked a ridiculous 389 Leave voters, hardly can be extrapolated as representative of the population....we don't even know if they were telling the truth. Absolutely pointless....except to try to make you feel better. My original post about buyers' remorse contained a link showing the results of 214 separate polls from the original referendum to recently, most carried out by YouGov but several other companies, presumably using their usual approach to being as representative as possible, since they are a polling company and that's what polling companies do. It takes some gall to deny all of them or try to pretend that all of them are unrepresentative or that none of them reflect the reality of what people might actually be thinking, then try to claim I'm the one who'll believe anything as long as it makes me feel better
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 21:15:18 GMT
I don't know what you are getting at Red, You are prepared to believe anything as long as it makes you feel better. The poll in question asked a ridiculous 389 Leave voters, hardly can be extrapolated as representative of the population....we don't even know if they were telling the truth. Absolutely pointless....except to try to make you feel better. My original post about buyers' remorse contained a link showing the results of hundreds of polls from the original referendum to recently, all of which were carried out by YouGov, presumably using their usual approach to being as representative as possible, since they are a polling company and that's what polling companies do. It takes some gall to deny all of them or try to pretend that all of them are unrepresentative or that none of them reflect the reality of what people might actually be thinking, then try to claim I'm the one who'll believe anything as long as it makes me feel better None of them indicated a change of opinion by Leave voters. Don't be taken in by everything you read from " authoritive " sources . Try ti be a bit mote sceptical of your sources.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 25, 2022 21:20:34 GMT
My original post about buyers' remorse contained a link showing the results of hundreds of polls from the original referendum to recently, all of which were carried out by YouGov, presumably using their usual approach to being as representative as possible, since they are a polling company and that's what polling companies do. It takes some gall to deny all of them or try to pretend that all of them are unrepresentative or that none of them reflect the reality of what people might actually be thinking, then try to claim I'm the one who'll believe anything as long as it makes me feel better None of them indicated a change of opinion by Leave voters. Don't be taken in by everything you read from " authoritive " sources . Try ti be a bit mote sceptical of your sources. The original point was about buyers' remorse. I think the evidence of 214 polls asking "Do you think the UK was right or wrong to leave the EU" is there for all to see, unless, of course, you don't want to see it, that is! Interesting that the strongest "wrong" response was the most recent too.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 21:26:07 GMT
None of them indicated a change of opinion by Leave voters. Don't be taken in by everything you read from " authoritive " sources . Try ti be a bit mote sceptical of your sources. The original point was about buyers' remorse. I think the evidence of 214 polls asking "Do you think the UK was right or wrong to leave the EU" is there for all to see. Interesting that the strongest "wrong" response was the most recent too. Not at all, when you scrutinise the polls. The reference to " buyer's remorse " refered to Leavers( buyers) changing their mind. None of the polls addressed that. You've been taken in too easily , again. As a Leaver yourself, do you think Truss is more likely to deliver the Brexit uou voted for?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 25, 2022 21:41:15 GMT
The original point was about buyers' remorse. I think the evidence of 214 polls asking "Do you think the UK was right or wrong to leave the EU" is there for all to see. Interesting that the strongest "wrong" response was the most recent too. Not at all, when you scrutinise the polls. Yhe reference to " buyer's remorse " refered to Leavers( buyers) changing their mind. None of the polls addressed that. You've been taken in too easily , again. It's a fair cop. Perhaps every one of the people in that most recent 53-35 split and all the other poll results suggesting we were wrong to Leave were previously "don't knows" and not a single Leaver has changed their mind Why do you think there is a such a strong opinion as recently as 11 days ago that we were wrong to leave, or do you not believe that either?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 22:08:19 GMT
Not at all, when you scrutinise the polls. Yhe reference to " buyer's remorse " refered to Leavers( buyers) changing their mind. None of the polls addressed that. You've been taken in too easily , again. It's a fair cop. Perhaps every one of the people in that most recent 53-35 split and all the other poll results suggesting we were wrong to Leave were previously "don't knows" and not a single Leaver has changed their mind Why do you think there is a such a strong opinion as recently as 11 days ago that we were wrong to leave, or do you not believe that either? I agree that Remainers do repeat the mantra that we were wrong to leave, ad infinitum.....I've not seen a great movement of disillusionment from Leavers, which is what started this interlude. Ots still all about coming tobterms with the vote....which a few on here can't do. What happens Politically since the vote is up to the present governments. As a Leaver yourself, remind me , which lie convinced you to vote that way. I've forgotten.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 25, 2022 23:53:53 GMT
The original point was about buyers' remorse. I think the evidence of 214 polls asking "Do you think the UK was right or wrong to leave the EU" is there for all to see. Interesting that the strongest "wrong" response was the most recent too. Not at all, when you scrutinise the polls. Yhe reference to " buyer's remorse " refered to Leavers( buyers) changing their mind. None of the polls addressed that. You've been taken in too easily , again. As a Leaver yourself, do you thinknTruss is more likely to deliver the Brexit by our voted for? I am quite certain you are comfortable in the choice you made in the Brexit debate I am also equally certain being on the other side of the debate and I have said many times the debate is over for many years if not forever However to deny that public opinion may not have changed is asinine The most acknowledged expert in UK Polling Sir John Curtice refutes your opinion You can dispute his authority as an expert You can dispute the data on which he is basing his interpretive analysis which has been his lifetime body of work for which he has been Knighted What you are attempting to do is put forward your alternative opinion based on your experience down the pub It will of course be for others to decide which is more authoritive You or Sir John Curtice I quote: The news comes at the same time as the number of people who said Brexit was a good idea hit a new record low, Professor Sir John Curtice, the chair of the British Polling Council, said.
Polling by YouGov for The Times found that the majority of people – 53% – said the UK had been wrong to leave the EU. Curtice said this was a “record high”.
The same poll also found that only around a third (35%) of people thought the UK had been right to leave the EU. A total of 12% of respondents said they did not know. www.thenational.scot/news/20284185.brexit-john-curtice-says-record-low-numbers-call-leaving-eu-good-idea/
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 26, 2022 4:41:30 GMT
Not at all, when you scrutinise the polls. Yhe reference to " buyer's remorse " refered to Leavers( buyers) changing their mind. None of the polls addressed that. You've been taken in too easily , again. As a Leaver yourself, do you thinknTruss is more likely to deliver the Brexit by our voted for? I am quite certain you are comfortable in the choice you made in the Brexit debate I am also equally certain being on the other side of the debate and I have said many times the debate is over for many years if not forever However to deny that public opinion may not have changed is asinine The most acknowledged expert in UK Polling Sir John Curtice refutes your opinion You can dispute his authority as an expert You can dispute the data on which he is basing his interpretive analysis which has been his lifetime body of work for which he has been Knighted What you are attempting to do is put forward your alternative opinion based on your experience down the pub It will of course be for others to decide which is more authoritive You or Sir John Curtice I quote: The news comes at the same time as the number of people who said Brexit was a good idea hit a new record low, Professor Sir John Curtice, the chair of the British Polling Council, said.
Polling by YouGov for The Times found that the majority of people – 53% – said the UK had been wrong to leave the EU. Curtice said this was a “record high”.
The same poll also found that only around a third (35%) of people thought the UK had been right to leave the EU. A total of 12% of respondents said they did not know. www.thenational.scot/news/20284185.brexit-john-curtice-says-record-low-numbers-call-leaving-eu-good-idea/Lest we forget… EU referendum: Final polls show Remain with edge over BrexitHow the pollsters got it wrong on the EU referendum
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 7:02:05 GMT
Not at all, when you scrutinise the polls. Yhe reference to " buyer's remorse " refered to Leavers( buyers) changing their mind. None of the polls addressed that. You've been taken in too easily , again. As a Leaver yourself, do you thinknTruss is more likely to deliver the Brexit by our voted for? I am quite certain you are comfortable in the choice you made in the Brexit debate I am also equally certain being on the other side of the debate and I have said many times the debate is over for many years if not forever However to deny that public opinion may not have changed is asinine The most acknowledged expert in UK Polling Sir John Curtice refutes your opinion You can dispute his authority as an expert You can dispute the data on which he is basing his interpretive analysis which has been his lifetime body of work for which he has been Knighted What you are attempting to do is put forward your alternative opinion based on your experience down the pub It will of course be for others to decide which is more authoritive You or Sir John Curtice I quote: The news comes at the same time as the number of people who said Brexit was a good idea hit a new record low, Professor Sir John Curtice, the chair of the British Polling Council, said.
Polling by YouGov for The Times found that the majority of people – 53% – said the UK had been wrong to leave the EU. Curtice said this was a “record high”.
The same poll also found that only around a third (35%) of people thought the UK had been right to leave the EU. A total of 12% of respondents said they did not know. www.thenational.scot/news/20284185.brexit-john-curtice-says-record-low-numbers-call-leaving-eu-good-idea/The reference that Sir John makes does not refer to Lesvers changing their mind, which is what this particular interlude was about. I've not seen the convincing , overwhelming evidence of that, whichsome reainers on here refer to.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 7:07:00 GMT
Not at all, when you scrutinise the polls. Yhe reference to " buyer's remorse " refered to Leavers( buyers) changing their mind. None of the polls addressed that. You've been taken in too easily , again. It's a fair cop. Perhaps every one of the people in that most recent 53-35 split and all the other poll results suggesting we were wrong to Leave were previously "don't knows" and not a single Leaver has changed their mind Why do you think there is a such a strong opinion as recently as 11 days ago that we were wrong to leave, or do you not believe that either? We were talking about evidence that Leavers have changed their mind......? Anyway as long as you take solace in knowing that you were right....or in your case, regretfully wrong..... Rejoining must be the only way forward with such overwhelming support of leavers.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 26, 2022 7:12:39 GMT
None of them indicated a change of opinion by Leave voters. Don't be taken in by everything you read from " authoritive " sources . Try ti be a bit mote sceptical of your sources. The original point was about buyers' remorse. I think the evidence of 214 polls asking "Do you think the UK was right or wrong to leave the EU" is there for all to see, unless, of course, you don't want to see it, that is! Interesting that the strongest "wrong" response was the most recent too. I wonder what the result of this poll would look like in 10 years time. Leaving was never going to be quick and easy, despite what politicians had you believe. Most leavers thought that Brexit would be for the long term future of our country not less than 2 years down the line. Pandemic and a European war have muddied the waters for sure.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 26, 2022 7:16:10 GMT
The original point was about buyers' remorse. I think the evidence of 214 polls asking "Do you think the UK was right or wrong to leave the EU" is there for all to see, unless, of course, you don't want to see it, that is! Interesting that the strongest "wrong" response was the most recent too. I wonder what the result of this poll would look like in 10 years time. Leaving was never going to be quick and easy, despite what politicians had you believe. Most leavers thought that Brexit would be for the long term future of our country not less than 2 years down the line. Pandemic and a European war have muddied the waters for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an even stronger "wrong" result than that most recent 53-35 finding, since a substantial portion of Leave voters will be dead.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 7:20:45 GMT
I wonder what the result of this poll would look like in 10 years time. Leaving was never going to be quick and easy, despite what politicians had you believe. Most leavers thought that Brexit would be for the long term future of our country not less than 2 years down the line. Pandemic and a European war have muddied the waters for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an even stronger "wrong" result than that most recent 53-35 finding, since a substantial portion of Leave voters will be dead. I wonder what it will look like in 100 years time when a few other voters will most likely have joined them?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 7:21:25 GMT
I've just come across this poll
2016 June 23rd
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
For those who like polls
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 26, 2022 7:27:06 GMT
It's a fair cop. Perhaps every one of the people in that most recent 53-35 split and all the other poll results suggesting we were wrong to Leave were previously "don't knows" and not a single Leaver has changed their mind Why do you think there is a such a strong opinion as recently as 11 days ago that we were wrong to leave, or do you not believe that either? We were talking about evidence that Leavers have changed their mind......? Anyway as long as you take solace in knowing that you were right....or in your case, regretfully wrong..... Rejoining must be the only way forward with such overwhelming support of leavers. "Asinine"...ouch! Actually we were talking about buyers' remorse, to be specific, not evidence that Leavers have changed their mind. I think a couple of hundred polls with a pretty consistent, and strengthening, finding that the UK was wrong to leave the EU is indicative of buyers' remorse in the UK as a whole, but if you don't want to believe it, that's your prerogative. Like I said, it's possible that all the don't knows have made up their minds and that explains such a strong finding in favour of "wrong to leave", not necessarily anyone changing their mind!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 7:33:59 GMT
We were talking about evidence that Leavers have changed their mind......? Anyway as long as you take solace in knowing that you were right....or in your case, regretfully wrong..... Rejoining must be the only way forward with such overwhelming support of leavers. "Asinine"...ouch! Actually we were talking about buyers' remorse, to be specific, not evidence that Leavers have changed their mind. I think a couple of hundred polls with a pretty consistent, and strengthening, finding that the UK was wrong to leave the EU is indicative of buyers' remorse in the UK as a whole, but if you don't want to believe it, that's your prerogative. Like I said, it's possible that all the don't knows have made up their minds and that explains such a strong finding in favour of "wrong to leave", not necessarily anyone changing their mind! And actually on the context of the buyers ( Leavers) being those who had bought into something and then regretted( remorse) it. Unless you think most of the Remainers now regret it?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 26, 2022 7:34:24 GMT
I've just come across this poll 2016 June 23rd Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? For those who like polls I know you'll say these polls don't mean anything, only one vote really mattered, that you don't believe they are representative, all the usual stuff you've said before, so let's spare ourselves that at least! But there you go, buyers' remorse. Yep, I think you've done all three again now, so we can probably put this one to bed!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 7:36:25 GMT
I've just come across this poll 2016 June 23rd Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? For those who like polls I know you'll say these polls don't mean anything, only one vote really mattered, that you don't believe they are representative, all the usual stuff you've said before, so let's spare ourselves that at least! But there you go, buyers' remorse. Yep, I think you've done all three again now, so we can probably put this one to bed! I thought you liked polls. Although iirc you don't think we should actually ask the public anything do you, in case they give the wrong answer. We must conform. I'm sorry you can't deal with the truth. Keep searching for "evidence" Crack on
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Post by wannabee on Jul 26, 2022 8:17:13 GMT
I am quite certain you are comfortable in the choice you made in the Brexit debate I am also equally certain being on the other side of the debate and I have said many times the debate is over for many years if not forever However to deny that public opinion may not have changed is asinine The most acknowledged expert in UK Polling Sir John Curtice refutes your opinion You can dispute his authority as an expert You can dispute the data on which he is basing his interpretive analysis which has been his lifetime body of work for which he has been Knighted What you are attempting to do is put forward your alternative opinion based on your experience down the pub It will of course be for others to decide which is more authoritive You or Sir John Curtice I quote: The news comes at the same time as the number of people who said Brexit was a good idea hit a new record low, Professor Sir John Curtice, the chair of the British Polling Council, said.
Polling by YouGov for The Times found that the majority of people – 53% – said the UK had been wrong to leave the EU. Curtice said this was a “record high”.
The same poll also found that only around a third (35%) of people thought the UK had been right to leave the EU. A total of 12% of respondents said they did not know. www.thenational.scot/news/20284185.brexit-john-curtice-says-record-low-numbers-call-leaving-eu-good-idea/Lest we forget… EU referendum: Final polls show Remain with edge over BrexitHow the pollsters got it wrong on the EU referendumGet tae fuck Patrick www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-61953614.amp
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Post by wannabee on Jul 26, 2022 8:32:52 GMT
I am quite certain you are comfortable in the choice you made in the Brexit debate I am also equally certain being on the other side of the debate and I have said many times the debate is over for many years if not forever However to deny that public opinion may not have changed is asinine The most acknowledged expert in UK Polling Sir John Curtice refutes your opinion You can dispute his authority as an expert You can dispute the data on which he is basing his interpretive analysis which has been his lifetime body of work for which he has been Knighted What you are attempting to do is put forward your alternative opinion based on your experience down the pub It will of course be for others to decide which is more authoritive You or Sir John Curtice I quote: The news comes at the same time as the number of people who said Brexit was a good idea hit a new record low, Professor Sir John Curtice, the chair of the British Polling Council, said.
Polling by YouGov for The Times found that the majority of people – 53% – said the UK had been wrong to leave the EU. Curtice said this was a “record high”.
The same poll also found that only around a third (35%) of people thought the UK had been right to leave the EU. A total of 12% of respondents said they did not know. www.thenational.scot/news/20284185.brexit-john-curtice-says-record-low-numbers-call-leaving-eu-good-idea/The reference that Sir John makes does not refer to Lesvers changing their mind, which is what this particular interlude was about. I've not seen the convincing , overwhelming evidence of that, whichsome reainers on here refer to. I didn't say it was convincing or overwhelming and neither did Sir John It is however very indicative, no more no less, that at the point in time the Poll was taken mathamathically excluding don't knows/don't cares a proportion of Leavers must have changed their mind to get a 53/35 versus a 48/52 result
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 8:41:28 GMT
The reference that Sir John makes does not refer to Lesvers changing their mind, which is what this particular interlude was about. I've not seen the convincing , overwhelming evidence of that, whichsome reainers on here refer to. I didn't say it was convincing or overwhelming and neither did Sir John It is however very indicative, no more no less, that at the point in time the Poll was taken mathamathically excluding don't knows/don't cares a proportion of Leavers must have changed their mind to get a 53/35 versus a 48/52 result Again the sample: The YouGov poll surveyed 1733 British adults on July 13-14, 2022. The Scottish subsample was 156 people. If you want to believe that as evidence that there is a significant change in Leavers minds, you'll believe anything thst fits your agenda..
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 26, 2022 8:54:46 GMT
I didn't say it was convincing or overwhelming and neither did Sir John It is however very indicative, no more no less, that at the point in time the Poll was taken mathamathically excluding don't knows/don't cares a proportion of Leavers must have changed their mind to get a 53/35 versus a 48/52 result Again the sample: The YouGov poll surveyed 1733 British adults on July 13-14, 2022. The Scottish subsample was 156 people. If you want to believe that as evidence that there is a significant change in Leavers minds, you'll believe anything thst fits your agenda.. Sample sizes for this type of thing are usually between 1,500 and 2,000 so the sample size is fine. The problem is, well, let’s let Sir Humphrey explain…
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 9:07:31 GMT
Again the sample: The YouGov poll surveyed 1733 British adults on July 13-14, 2022. The Scottish subsample was 156 people. If you want to believe that as evidence that there is a significant change in Leavers minds, you'll believe anything thst fits your agenda.. Sample sizes for this type of thing are usually between 1,500 and 2,000 so the sample size is fine. The problem is, well, let’s let Sir Humphrey explain… It depends whether you give much credibility to the " Poll industry" at all though....its good for "" populist "" news. www.politics.co.uk/reference/election-polls/UK Election Polls - What They Say? Are They Accurate? An overview of current election polls in the UK, alongside a consideration of whether polls are accurate, and if they should be banned in the run up to polling day. In June 2016, in the week before the Brexit referendum, 13 opinion polls were published. Taken together, they projected a comfortable victory for the Remain side with the Leave vote averaging just 44.5%. However come polling day, the Leave side was victorious chalking up 51.9% of the vote. Even in 2019, few UK pollsters projected the scale of the Conservative Party’s 80 seat landslide victory. Two days before polling day, YouGov, one of the few pollsters to have got it right in 2017, projected that the Conservatives would win by a majority of just 28. Why pollsters get it wrong? Opinion polling will never be an exact science, and the polling industry regularly defends its performance as being within what they describe as their ‘margin of error’. There are generally two main reasons why pollsters might get it wrong when it comes to voting intention: The first type of polling error comes in the form of a sampling error. A sampling error is a statistical error that occurs when the results found in the sample (typically 1,000 to 2,000 voters) do not represent the results that would be obtained from the entire population. Furthermore with the British electoral system, national opinion polls can also fail to adequately account for the nuances of how people will vote in a particular individual constituency. The second type of polling error falls under the guise of bias. This can come about because people do not answer the pollster’s questions accurately compared with how they will actually vote, something often referred to as the issue of ‘Shy Tories’. However it can also be caused by failing to accurately predict whether the person being polled will actually turn up to vote on the day.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 26, 2022 9:10:09 GMT
I am quite certain you are comfortable in the choice you made in the Brexit debate I am also equally certain being on the other side of the debate and I have said many times the debate is over for many years if not forever However to deny that public opinion may not have changed is asinine The most acknowledged expert in UK Polling Sir John Curtice refutes your opinion You can dispute his authority as an expert You can dispute the data on which he is basing his interpretive analysis which has been his lifetime body of work for which he has been Knighted What you are attempting to do is put forward your alternative opinion based on your experience down the pub It will of course be for others to decide which is more authoritive You or Sir John Curtice I quote: The news comes at the same time as the number of people who said Brexit was a good idea hit a new record low, Professor Sir John Curtice, the chair of the British Polling Council, said.
Polling by YouGov for The Times found that the majority of people – 53% – said the UK had been wrong to leave the EU. Curtice said this was a “record high”.
The same poll also found that only around a third (35%) of people thought the UK had been right to leave the EU. A total of 12% of respondents said they did not know. www.thenational.scot/news/20284185.brexit-john-curtice-says-record-low-numbers-call-leaving-eu-good-idea/The reference that Sir John makes does not refer to Lesvers changing their mind, which is what this particular interlude was about. I've not seen the convincing , overwhelming evidence of that, whichsome reainers on here refer to. 52% voted to leave. Now 35% think that we were right to leave. Either, many more leave than remain voters have died since the referendum, many more younger people who were not old enough to vote and took part in this poll are pro-eu, the poll was heavily skewed in terms of remainer demographics, or a significant number of leave voters have changed their mind. Or a combination or of some or all of the above. It’s all fairly irrelevant anyway. We have a government and a party in power who couldn’t care less about what the people think. Anyone else noticed the NHS has barely been mentioned by the leadership candidates? It is in absolute crisis and yet hasn’t been talked about!
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 26, 2022 9:11:34 GMT
I have read with interest the posts on OPs.
Firstly they are repeatedly wrong. They failed to predict the EU referendum result and the landslide Tory victory in the last GE. Why?
Firstly I believe what people are prepared to publicly volunteer an opinion on is not necessarily the same as what they truly believe and is in their heart of hearts and express in the privacy of the polling booth.
Secondly a third of the population don't bother to vote and when it comes to an OP, I believe that is probably two thirds so they don't think or care what they say.
Electronic polling which most of the polling is nowadays does not capture a cross section of society. I know the polling companies skew the results to take account of people in rest homes, hospital, abroad, too busy working, etc. but do they do it accurately? The first comment above suggests not.
Finally I have posted before that the BBC once did a lot of research on "vox pop" and found it to be highly innaccurate. There were all sorts of reasons, people go with the flow of popular opinion in polls not what they really think, they answer to get rid of the questioner, they say the first thing that comes into their mind which probably something they have just seen in the media, they give an answer that they think will avoid another question or getting into a conversation, the list of reasons for "false" answers was endless.
Example: When asked do you think there to too much violence on TV, the answer is invariably "yes". But when asked which programmes, the interviewees were invariably stuck for an answer and the most popular answer was "The News".
Then there is the issue of changing opinion. Truss is getting flack for voting against Brexit, but now changing her mind. A number of my family are like Truss, they really wanted to be out of the EU, but voted remain because of all the propaganda by the Cameron government, CBI, Bank of England etc. warning of recession, unemployment, drop in house prices, etc. Relatives of mine were swung by the economic arguments for fear of negative equity, unemployment or not getting a job when leaving uni, etc. They now know that was largely false but can still change their minds day to day based on the latest events or what impacts them directly. My chiropodist was complaining last time I saw her that although she is a supporter of Brexit, she is having difficulty getting supplies from the EU due to being held up in customs. There are all manner of problems that will take time to sort out.
It is OK to change your mind. I used to be an arch supporter of EEC membership but changed my mind. It is only bigots who can't change their mind.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 26, 2022 9:56:00 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 26, 2022 10:39:09 GMT
The reference that Sir John makes does not refer to Lesvers changing their mind, which is what this particular interlude was about. I've not seen the convincing , overwhelming evidence of that, whichsome reainers on here refer to. 52% voted to leave. Now 35% think that we were right to leave. Either, many more leave than remain voters have died since the referendum, many more younger people who were not old enough to vote and took part in this poll are pro-eu, the poll was heavily skewed in terms of remainer demographics, or a significant number of leave voters have changed their mind. Or a combination or of some or all of the above. It’s all fairly irrelevant anyway. We have a government and a party in power who couldn’t care less about what the people think. Anyone else noticed the NHS has barely been mentioned by the leadership candidates? It is in absolute crisis and yet hasn’t been talked about! Or all of the "don't knows" have shifted to "wrong to leave" and a good proportion of the "right to leave" have become don't knows to fill their place...but then wouldn't that mean they might have changed their minds, even if it went from right to leave to don't know and would that in itself constitute buyers' remorse? I mean 53-35 is about as decisive as the whole thing has ever got over the last six to eight years, but, as we know, some folk just can't accept the result But you're right to concentrate on how life post-Brexit is going. The OECD and IMF are worried for the UK's immediate future. Who can blame them, frankly.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 26, 2022 10:42:59 GMT
I'm not sure anyone denied the impact of the pandemic anywhere across Europe. But let's see who recovers more quickly from their worker shortages, Brexit Britain with its focus on ever-tightening border controls, or continental Europe with its freedom of movement?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 26, 2022 13:24:07 GMT
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