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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 8, 2022 14:05:11 GMT
Indeed. Interesting to see some of the comments from the likes of Verhofstadt, Barnier and the puppets in Ireland. Makes you think they didn’t like someone who wouldn’t comply with their every wish. I’m sure they will be rooting for a subservient replacement. Don’t worry. Keir Starmer is a Brexiteer now. He’ll make sure the Government doesn’t falter in its resolve. His forensic scrutiny at PMQs of whoever takes over from Johnson will ensure Britain does not fold under the pressure of the Brussels eurocrats. There's no such thing as Brexiteers or Remainers anymore. There are those that have moved on, and those that haven't. Thankfully Starmer and Labour have moved on. It'll be interesting to see during the Tory leadership campaign if they have moved on to, or will their candidates campaigning record during the referendum be dragged up.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 8, 2022 14:10:41 GMT
Don’t worry. Keir Starmer is a Brexiteer now. He’ll make sure the Government doesn’t falter in its resolve. His forensic scrutiny at PMQs of whoever takes over from Johnson will ensure Britain does not fold under the pressure of the Brussels eurocrats. There's no such thing as Brexiteers or Remainers anymore. There are those that have moved on, and those that haven't. Thankfully Starmer and Labour have moved on. It'll be interesting to see during the Tory leadership campaign if they have moved on to, or will their candidates campaigning record during the referendum be dragged up. From a Westminster point of view I think you're right - with the exception of the SNP and possibly the Lib Dems. But there are still a few Remoaners still hanging about, including on this message board, like that Japanese soldier on an island in the Phillippines.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 8, 2022 14:11:54 GMT
There's no such thing as Brexiteers or Remainers anymore. There are those that have moved on, and those that haven't. Thankfully Starmer and Labour have moved on. It'll be interesting to see during the Tory leadership campaign if they have moved on to, or will their candidates campaigning record during the referendum be dragged up. From a Westminster point of view I think you're right - with the exception of the SNP and possibly the Lib Dems. But there are still a few Remoaners still hanging about, including on this message board, like that Japanese soldier on an island in the Phillippines. I think the Lib Dems have moved on haven't they? The SNP I have no idea what their policy is.
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Post by 4372 on Jul 8, 2022 14:39:46 GMT
Leave means Leave Johnson.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 8, 2022 15:10:16 GMT
Don’t worry. Keir Starmer is a Brexiteer now. He’ll make sure the Government doesn’t falter in its resolve. His forensic scrutiny at PMQs of whoever takes over from Johnson will ensure Britain does not fold under the pressure of the Brussels eurocrats. There's no such thing as Brexiteers or Remainers anymore. There are those that have moved on, and those that haven't. Thankfully Starmer and Labour have moved on. It'll be interesting to see during the Tory leadership campaign if they have moved on to, or will their candidates campaigning record during the referendum be dragged up. The UK'S relationship with the EU and Northern Ireland will play a part in the Tory Leadership "election" and rightly so.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 8, 2022 15:32:43 GMT
There's no such thing as Brexiteers or Remainers anymore. There are those that have moved on, and those that haven't. Thankfully Starmer and Labour have moved on. It'll be interesting to see during the Tory leadership campaign if they have moved on to, or will their candidates campaigning record during the referendum be dragged up. The UK'S relationship with the EU and Northern Ireland will play a part in the Tory Leadership "election" and rightly so. Yes of course. That involves the present and the future. I'm talking about how much candidates Leave/Remain opinions from the 2016 referendum will be discussed.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 8, 2022 15:36:42 GMT
From a Westminster point of view I think you're right - with the exception of the SNP and possibly the Lib Dems. But there are still a few Remoaners still hanging about, including on this message board, like that Japanese soldier on an island in the Phillippines. I think the Lib Dems have moved on haven't they? The SNP I have no idea what their policy is. The Lib Dems still seem to be making their way slowly through the grief cycle. They’ve given up on a new referendum but still want to see us in the single market and signed up to freedom of movement (which, of course is what Starmer did earlier this week) which places them in the third phase of the cycle. The SNP policy position is more interesting because their policy since the summer of 2019 is “Boris is a cunt, and Nicola isn’t Boris. She’s lovely”. So now Boris is out of the way, they’ll have to think of a new policy.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 8, 2022 15:41:22 GMT
I think the Lib Dems have moved on haven't they? The SNP I have no idea what their policy is. The Lib Dems still seem to be making their way slowly through the grief cycle. They’ve given up on a new referendum but still want to see us in the single market and signed up to freedom of movement (which, of course is what Starmer did earlier this week) which places them in the third phase of the cycle. The SNP policy position is more interesting because their policy since the summer of 2019 is “Boris is a cunt, and Nicola isn’t Boris. She’s lovely”. So now Boris is out of the way, they’ll have to think of a new policy. So the Lib Dems aren't trying to rejoin, which would suggest they've moved on.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 8, 2022 15:44:46 GMT
I think the Lib Dems have moved on haven't they? The SNP I have no idea what their policy is. The Lib Dems still seem to be making their way slowly through the grief cycle. They’ve given up on a new referendum but still want to see us in the single market and signed up to freedom of movement (which, of course is what Starmer did earlier this week) which places them in the third phase of the cycle. The SNP policy position is more interesting because their policy since the summer of 2019 is “Boris is a cunt, and Nicola isn’t Boris. She’s lovely”. So now Boris is out of the way, they’ll have to think of a new policy. Another who fails to understand the difference between the EU and being a member of the single market.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 8, 2022 15:49:16 GMT
The Lib Dems still seem to be making their way slowly through the grief cycle. They’ve given up on a new referendum but still want to see us in the single market and signed up to freedom of movement (which, of course is what Starmer did earlier this week) which places them in the third phase of the cycle. The SNP policy position is more interesting because their policy since the summer of 2019 is “Boris is a cunt, and Nicola isn’t Boris. She’s lovely”. So now Boris is out of the way, they’ll have to think of a new policy. So the Lib Dems aren't trying to rejoin, which would suggest they've moved on. Moving on.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 8, 2022 15:50:54 GMT
The Lib Dems still seem to be making their way slowly through the grief cycle. They’ve given up on a new referendum but still want to see us in the single market and signed up to freedom of movement (which, of course is what Starmer did earlier this week) which places them in the third phase of the cycle. The SNP policy position is more interesting because their policy since the summer of 2019 is “Boris is a cunt, and Nicola isn’t Boris. She’s lovely”. So now Boris is out of the way, they’ll have to think of a new policy. Another who fails to understand the difference between the EU and being a member of the single market.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 8, 2022 16:12:36 GMT
Another who fails to understand the difference between the EU and being a member of the single market. Never heard of Switzerland then. Or Iceland. Or Liechtenstein. Or Norway. You are proving why we never should have had a referendum when you, who is very vocal on this board about brexit, don’t know the difference between being a member of the eu and being part of the EEA or that Switzerland have lots of benefits of single market membership but aren’t part of the EU or the EEA. This is basic stuff Partick
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 8, 2022 17:12:16 GMT
Never heard of Switzerland then. Or Iceland. Or Liechtenstein. Or Norway. You are proving why we never should have had a referendum when you, who is very vocal on this board about brexit, don’t know the difference between being a member of the eu and being part of the EEA or that Switzerland have lots of benefits of single market membership but aren’t part of the EU or the EEA. This is basic stuff Partick I know the difference between a Remainer and a Remoaner.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 8, 2022 17:20:55 GMT
Never heard of Switzerland then. Or Iceland. Or Liechtenstein. Or Norway. You are proving why we never should have had a referendum when you, who is very vocal on this board about brexit, don’t know the difference between being a member of the eu and being part of the EEA or that Switzerland have lots of benefits of single market membership but aren’t part of the EU or the EEA. This is basic stuff Partick I know the difference between a Remainer and a Remoaner. Both are on the right side of history. They voted the same way as each other for the referendum. A bit like leave voters and racists.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 8, 2022 17:24:50 GMT
I know the difference between a Remainer and a Remoaner. Both are on the right side of history. They voted the same way as each other for the referendum. A bit like leave voters and racists. I think you better stop now before you embarrass yourself any further.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 8, 2022 17:33:27 GMT
Both are on the right side of history. They voted the same way as each other for the referendum. A bit like leave voters and racists. I think you better stop now before you embarrass yourself any further. Says the person whose last 3 posts in reply to mine have been an emoji, attempted name calling and deflection. You cannot actually debate with me. Certainly not on the topic of brexit when you have demonstrated that you didn’t realise you could be part of the single market but not a member of the EU.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 8, 2022 17:46:59 GMT
I think you better stop now before you embarrass yourself any further. Says the person whose last 3 posts in reply to mine have been an emoji, attempted name calling and deflection. You cannot actually debate with me. Certainly not on the topic of brexit when you have demonstrated that you didn’t realise you could be part of the single market but not a member of the EU. I could explain why you are wrong on every count. But I don’t think I’ll engage further with someone who acccuses people who voted to leave the EU as racist. That’s not very nice.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 8, 2022 18:03:02 GMT
They're like an ex who can't let go You're sounding like Oggy now mate. I couldn't sound more unlike oggy if I tried.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 8, 2022 18:09:24 GMT
I know the difference between a Remainer and a Remoaner. Both are on the right side of history. They voted the same way as each other for the referendum. A bit like leave voters and racists. You're not on the right side of history. You lost. To be honest, based on your comments here from the last day or so you're just coming across as increasingly unhinged so I've said my bit and we'll leave it there fella.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 8, 2022 18:24:59 GMT
The Lib Dems still seem to be making their way slowly through the grief cycle. They’ve given up on a new referendum but still want to see us in the single market and signed up to freedom of movement (which, of course is what Starmer did earlier this week) which places them in the third phase of the cycle. The SNP policy position is more interesting because their policy since the summer of 2019 is “Boris is a cunt, and Nicola isn’t Boris. She’s lovely”. So now Boris is out of the way, they’ll have to think of a new policy. Another who fails to understand the difference between the EU and being a member of the single market. Lots of people understand it perfectly fine, the difference is about £610m per week now for not even being a member whats not too like.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 8, 2022 18:54:04 GMT
Another who fails to understand the difference between the EU and being a member of the single market. Lots of people understand it perfectly fine, the difference is about £610m per week now for not even being a member whats not too like. OR - it's costing us £1m per hour. www.cityam.com/eu-membership-vs-lost-exports-and-trade-forget-extra-nhs-cash-brexit-costs-britain-173m-per-week/?amp=1So add that to the additional disruption to exports, £50bn spent each year on additional paperwork, fewer planes flying because of 30% of staff gone home and not come back, a complete fuck up over the Northern Ireland protocol, crops rotting in fields while food prices go through the roof, longer queues at airports and ferry terminals, being kicked out of Horizon and Erasmus and the removal of freedoms to live and work in Europe then there's actually quite a lot not to like. Brexit 's happened - fine - but if it's going to work then the very real problems it had caused for people need to be tackled - and I just don't see that , I just see it being flippantly dismissed as 'moaning' ("fuck business"). As for the supposed 'freedom' it has given us I cannot imagine there is one thing that you can do now that you couldn't whilst we were a member of the EU - but I can probably suggest a few things that you can't. But if an imaginary £610m is all you need to make you consider it a success then it's perhaps that same low bar that has got us to where we are.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 8, 2022 19:02:35 GMT
Another who fails to understand the difference between the EU and being a member of the single market. Lots of people understand it perfectly fine, the difference is about £610m per week now for not even being a member whats not too like. What's not to like? Erm, being £1.3bn a week poorer as a country doesn't strike me as a strong benefit of non-membership? (And that figure takes into account the £610m a week we're not paying now, which sounds as realistic as the £350m figure, but I've used it anyway to show how non-membership is actually making us poorer, not better off).
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Post by generationex on Jul 8, 2022 19:03:01 GMT
No matter how bad Brexit gets, and we’re no where near seeing the full cost yet, those that voted for it will always have to defend their choice.
And the London financial elite that pulled the strings will always say ‘it didn’t work because there was not enough Brexit’ (as they hoard the millions they earn from the chaos, the soon-to-be-seen deregulation of the city of London and the lower taxes massive earners will pay).
Meanwhile the faux-focus of those sinister elites will move on from the Brexit towns and we will continue to rot away quietly.
It’s no co-incidence they’ve just driven Johnson out: His purpose has been served, suckers.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 8, 2022 19:39:52 GMT
No matter how bad Brexit gets, and we’re no where near seeing the full cost yet, those that voted for it will always have to defend their choice. And the London financial elite that pulled the strings will always say ‘it didn’t work because there was not enough Brexit’ (as they hoard the millions they earn from the chaos, the soon-to-be-seen deregulation of the city of London and the lower taxes massive earners will pay). Meanwhile the faux-focus of those sinister elites will move on from the Brexit towns and we will continue to rot away quietly. It’s no co-incidence they’ve just driven Johnson out: His purpose has been served, suckers. No point insulting everyone who didn't agree with you. Where do we go from here?
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 9, 2022 6:27:46 GMT
Another who fails to understand the difference between the EU and being a member of the single market. Lots of people understand it perfectly fine, the difference is about £610m per week now for not even being a member whats not too like. So probably about £200m a week once we get the majority of the money back like we did. Economically, the current brexit deal is a disaster (apart from for Northern Ireland who get single market access). Almost every economist and business leader says so. Even most of the right wing brexit supporting press has largely come around too.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 9, 2022 6:35:40 GMT
Both are on the right side of history. They voted the same way as each other for the referendum. A bit like leave voters and racists. You're not on the right side of history. You lost. To be honest, based on your comments here from the last day or so you're just coming across as increasingly unhinged so I've said my bit and we'll leave it there fella. If Hitler had won the war, would that show he is on the right side of history? You disagree with me, so you call me unhinged rather than face up to the fact that racism was a part of the brexit vote you also voted for. Obviously not all leave voters were racist in their intentions. But it played a part for many. Otherwise why are there yet to be any real tangible benefits to leaving? A whole government department has been set up to find them and hasn’t been able to name any yet.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 9, 2022 6:36:02 GMT
You're sounding like Oggy now mate. I couldn't sound more unlike oggy if I tried. That’s your problem perhaps!
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 9, 2022 6:38:43 GMT
Says the person whose last 3 posts in reply to mine have been an emoji, attempted name calling and deflection. You cannot actually debate with me. Certainly not on the topic of brexit when you have demonstrated that you didn’t realise you could be part of the single market but not a member of the EU. I could explain why you are wrong on every count. But I don’t think I’ll engage further with someone who acccuses people who voted to leave the EU as racist. That’s not very nice. I didn’t though. I said remainers and remoaners voted the same way in the referendum. A bit like racists and leave voters. Racists who voted largely voted for brexit. Certainly not all leave voters are racist but it played a part in the vote for some, and they won’t have voted to remain. You don’t understand what the eu is and what it isn’t and that countries like Norway and Switzerland and not in the EU
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Post by thevoid on Jul 9, 2022 8:24:59 GMT
I couldn't sound more unlike oggy if I tried. That’s your problem perhaps! You're the one with the problems fella
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 9, 2022 9:35:24 GMT
That’s your problem perhaps! You're the one with the problems fella One “problem” I have is that whenever brexiteers disagree with me, instead of arguing their position on the issue they seem to run out of argument and end up resorting to insults. BigJohnRitchie and Mr Coke are the exception. They always engage in debate which is what this forum should be about.
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