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Post by Kilo on Jun 1, 2021 11:22:20 GMT
I have just seen that a nurse's salary starts at £18,005. That's a trainee, equivalent of a junior in an office who makes the tea and files paperwork so £18K is still good compared to the private sector.
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Post by 4372 on Jun 1, 2021 11:27:34 GMT
I think that is right. £18,000 for a trainee is acceptable, arguably for a nurse in training. It is just awkward when you suggested that nurses start on £25,000.
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Post by Kilo on Jun 1, 2021 11:54:22 GMT
I think that is right. £18,000 for a trainee is acceptable, arguably for a nurse in training. It is just awkward when you suggested that nurses start on £25,000. I suggested it because it's correct. When I started my first job in an Architectural Practice my salary was £1,600 (yep, that's a year!) but I wasn't called an Architect or even an Architectural Technician. I had to spend years also going to college to earn a 'title'.
Although I did become a nurse in one night but I did borrow my sisters uniform to do that. Don't panic, I didn't perform any duties in a hospital but I did give one bloke a severe shock when he thought he was in the wrong pub toilet.
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Post by 4372 on Jun 1, 2021 12:12:11 GMT
With respect, your initial statement was about as accurate as the 113 bus timetable. If you had stated that a nurse, after training, can expect to start earning a £25,000 salary, that would have been correct. Your post appeared to imply to me (and another one at least) that a Nurse, on their first day in training,can pickup that much money. Clearly you didn't go to college merely to earn a "title". You went to learn skills and pick up qualifications, which allowed you to progress in your own career, and for which you were appropriately rewarded. I imagine it is the same with nurses.
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Post by Kilo on Jun 1, 2021 12:19:12 GMT
With respect, your initial statement was about as accurate as the 113 bus timetable. If you had stated that a nurse, after training, can expect to start earning a £25,000 salary, that would have been correct. Your post appeared to imply to me (and another one at least) that a Nurse, on their first day in training,can pickup that much money. Clearly you didn't go to college merely to earn a "title". You went to learn skills and pick up qualifications, which allowed you to progress in your own career, and for which you were appropriately rewarded. I imagine it is the same with nurses. Of course it's the same but you're not a Nurse on your first day. You don't go around injecting people on day one, you have to learn for a couple of years before doing anything important. If I wanted to state £18,000 then I'd have put Trainee Nurse, but I didn't. Likewise I wouldn't say an Architect's starting salary in my day was £1,600 because it wasn't.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 1, 2021 17:54:21 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 1, 2021 20:09:02 GMT
Heinz to invest £140M in Wigan and start making tomato ketchup in Britain for the first time since 1999 - Despite Brexit shocker.
Along with the new Royal Yacht which will create shipbuilding jobs, this will create 50 brand new jobs but the loopy left will still be harping on about nurses pay (who start on £25K) as once they've found a bell to clang, they just can't be happy until the clapper's dropped off.
The glorious 1st June is clearly a very saucy day today: www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2021/06/01/McCormick-to-create-300-jobs-at-new-factory
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Post by Kilo on Jun 1, 2021 20:53:14 GMT
Heinz to invest £140M in Wigan and start making tomato ketchup in Britain for the first time since 1999 - Despite Brexit shocker. Along with the new Royal Yacht which will create shipbuilding jobs, this will create 50 brand new jobs but the loopy left will still be harping on about nurses pay (who start on £25K) as once they've found a bell to clang, they just can't be happy until the clapper's dropped off.
The glorious 1st June is clearly a very saucy day today: www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2021/06/01/McCormick-to-create-300-jobs-at-new-factoryClearly all these sauce factories being built is to cover up the taste of chloronated chicken and kangaroo beef.
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Post by maxplonk on Jun 2, 2021 5:45:19 GMT
Heinz to invest £140M in Wigan and start making tomato ketchup in Britain for the first time since 1999 - Despite Brexit shocker. Along with the new Royal Yacht which will create shipbuilding jobs, this will create 50 brand new jobs but the loopy left will still be harping on about nurses pay (who start on £25K) as once they've found a bell to clang, they just can't be happy until the clapper's dropped off.
We send the EU £350 million a week, let's have 49 jobs in a tomato sauce factory instead.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 2, 2021 6:09:57 GMT
Heinz to invest £140M in Wigan and start making tomato ketchup in Britain for the first time since 1999 - Despite Brexit shocker. Along with the new Royal Yacht which will create shipbuilding jobs, this will create 50 brand new jobs but the loopy left will still be harping on about nurses pay (who start on £25K) as once they've found a bell to clang, they just can't be happy until the clapper's dropped off.
We send the EU £350 million a week, let's have 49 jobs in a tomato sauce factory instead. We must have a free trade agreement with the EU or the world will end (250,000 tonnes of beef), a free trade deal with australia (6,000 tonnes of beef) are you crazy that will decimate uk farming, typical fbpe bollocks just like your attempt at comedy.
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Post by maxplonk on Jun 2, 2021 7:09:30 GMT
Satire: Not comedy.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 2, 2021 8:42:32 GMT
Heinz to invest £140M in Wigan and start making tomato ketchup in Britain for the first time since 1999 - Despite Brexit shocker. Along with the new Royal Yacht which will create shipbuilding jobs, this will create 50 brand new jobs but the loopy left will still be harping on about nurses pay (who start on £25K) as once they've found a bell to clang, they just can't be happy until the clapper's dropped off.
We send the EU £350 million a week, let's have 49 jobs in a tomato sauce factory instead. Apart from the UK's net financial contribution to the UK, which a number of other EU countries also do, the UK had a massive and increasing trade deficit with the EU which had reached c.£72 billion by 2019 (pre pandemic), that's well over a £billion every week. www.statista.com/statistics/551585/united-kingdom-uk-trade-balance-with-eu/Apart from the financial implications of a massive trade deficit, there is the issue of the UK becoming increasingly dependant on the EU for goods and services; an organization that is committed to "ever closer union" but at the same time becoming itself increasingly dependant itself on Russia (for gas, oil, and coal for steel) and China ( in 2019 the EU was strategically dependent on China for 659 of the over 5,600 product categories defined by the United Nation’s Comtrade database. These account for 43 percent of total imports by value from China.) www.highnorthnews.com/en/russian-gas-increasingly-important-europemerics.org/en/report/mapping-and-recalibrating-europes-economic-interdependence-chinaThe UK needs to get back to self sufficiency, which may take some decades, and spread our dependence, which is currently too dependant on the EU, USA, and China. We need to make greater use of our own resources and not be constrained by over 13,000 tariffs the EU imposes on imported goods. The EU denied it would form an army for decades. Fortunately the UK is not getting sucked into this: www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-military-mission-mozambique-may-be-operating-months-bloc-says-2021-05-28/Measures are being dressed up as "defence cooperation". Macron has called for a European army, which of course now the UK has left, France would dominate, having by far the largest armed forces in the EU. The Wigan investment is the tip of the iceberg on foreign inward investment to the UK. At the time of the referendum, project fear said the UK would lose investment as a result of just voting for Brexit. The reverse was true, in 2018 the UK received more foreign investment than Germany or France. As the UK parliament fooled around over Brexit in 2019 and the threat of no EU trade deal emerged, foreign investment was held back (coupled with the pandemic last year). Now we have a trade deal with the EU we are seeing a tsunami of investment in the UK.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 2, 2021 9:30:12 GMT
www.reuters.com/article/britain-asia-trade-idUSL2N2NK07BAnother step on our new journey by joining CPTPP UK's joining will attract more countries like Thailand and Indonesia, eventually leading to the USA rejoining. (Trump pulled the USA out.) This is a true trade organization unlike the EU's political union.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jun 2, 2021 11:14:27 GMT
I understand that bloke from Wetherspoons is calling for more migration from the EU to staff his bars. You have to laugh.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 2, 2021 13:38:49 GMT
I understand that bloke from Wetherspoons is calling for more migration from the EU to staff his bars. You have to laugh. “Tim Martin says a 'reasonably liberal immigration system' controlled by the UK - rather than the EU - will boost the economy”. Seems fair enough to me.
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Post by 4372 on Jun 2, 2021 14:06:49 GMT
The UK always had more control over immigration than was painted in the run up to 2016.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jun 2, 2021 16:18:20 GMT
I understand that bloke from Wetherspoons is calling for more migration from the EU to staff his bars. You have to laugh. “Tim Martin says a 'reasonably liberal immigration system' controlled by the UK - rather than the EU - will boost the economy”. Seems fair enough to me. To me it seems like he would like us to treat EU migrants preferentially. "Tim Martin was quoted by the Daily Telegraph as saying he favoured a more "liberal" visa scheme for EU workers to tackle shortfalls. Mr Martin, a vocal Brexit supporter, told the BBC he had always favoured an Australian style system which treated near neighbours preferentially."
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 3, 2021 9:07:53 GMT
Didn’t see much in the media about this announcement yesterday.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 3, 2021 9:13:56 GMT
“Tim Martin says a 'reasonably liberal immigration system' controlled by the UK - rather than the EU - will boost the economy”. Seems fair enough to me. To me it seems like he would like us to treat EU migrants preferentially. "Tim Martin was quoted by the Daily Telegraph as saying he favoured a more "liberal" visa scheme for EU workers to tackle shortfalls. Mr Martin, a vocal Brexit supporter, told the BBC he had always favoured an Australian style system which treated near neighbours preferentially." Australia can go and do one the ungrateful fuckers Near neighbours Don’t they realise there country was founded by the top quality British convicts we kindly gave them
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 3, 2021 15:22:50 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 3, 2021 16:18:23 GMT
Happy Europe Day to you. I am a European and worked for many years for European bosses and had some great colleagues I fondly remember. On this day we should remember the words of one of the founders of European unity: “Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_MonnetHe should have added " in the interests of the capitalist corporations"I don't want to undermine your point, but you've attributed a quote that was never said to a man who has never been accused of saying it. fullfact.org/europe/jean-monnet-quote/I have not done any more research than fullfact did on whether or not Monnet actually said what has been repeatedly attributed to him. As I have posted before I doubt whether fullfact actually did more than search the internet for evidence and I doubt anyone has searched hard copies of original 1950s speeches etc.. Certainly I have not the time or inclination and have revoked the quotation and ceased to use it. On the other hand I have stumbled across this quote in a recent article, which was a reply to an article about the EU's attitude to other countries, which was precipitated by the recent falling out between the EU and Switzerland. The quote says: " As to the purpose of the EU, nearly 50 years ago one of the French “sherpas” who negotiated the original European Coal and Steel Community told me that an important goal was to minimise its democratic content.Democracy, he explained, had permitted the rise of Nazism, but concentration of power in the hands of a wise and incorruptible bureaucracy would ensure that catastrophic populism could never destroy Europe again."The implication being that we cannot allow politicians to make a shambles of things and implement extreme left or right wing policies. Countries are better left in the wise hands of the civil servants. That is not as far fetched as it sounds. A number of countries, notably Italy have often failed to form a government for long periods due to the inability to form a coalition government under proportional representation, thereby leaving the civil service to carry on running the country. The article and reply were posted in a Conservative Party publication I stumbled across, so I expect most people will dismiss it as a fabrication. As to whether the leaders of the European Commission are incorruptible, I'll lead that to others to decide. Personally I think they are incompetent and irremovable. Who are the "sherpas"? www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/europa-meet-the-euro-sherpas
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 4, 2021 22:00:30 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 5, 2021 13:11:36 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 7, 2021 20:32:43 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 8, 2021 14:41:46 GMT
There is a sunami of investment taking place as a consequence of many companies pausing their investment plans in 2019 due to the in-fighting in the UK Parliament and doubts about a trade deal between the UK and EU, followed by the pandemic. I doubt it will impress remainers though as they will simply say it would have happened anyway, or would be better if we were still in the EU. I think we will have to wait a few years yet till the real payoff of leaving the EU will bear fruit. Meanwhile I am more than happy with the benefits of sovereignty, judicial independance, and avoiding the EU Commission's rank incompetence such as vaccine procurement. I am also pleased that we are no longer members of such a vexatious and bombastic political organisation, which in the past week has threatened retaliation for selling Cumberland sausage in Northern Ireland, fallen out with Switzerland, and now proposing to withdraw individual nations veto on foreign policy because of Hungary's repeated failure to toe the line. On the economy front I'm also happy the economic disasters forecast by voting leave have proven to be false. The UK remains one of the top 4 countries in the world for foreign investment. France wants to further its interests by making French the foremost language in the EU and failed in its attempt to prevent the UK participating in European research projects. Ironically they objected to the UK's participation on security grounds, when it's the President's security they should be more worried about. "Little" UK continues to host meetings of world leaders despite our loss of influence having left the EU, and lead the world's major economies in environmental improvements. www.businessgreen.com/news/4032529/uk-major-economy-require-climate-risk-reporting-pension-schemesI look forward to when we will be members of the world's future largest group of trading countries, a trade partner with the world's future largest country by population, India, still have a trade deal with the EU (unless things get so acrimonious that the deal is terminated), and become the "greenest" major economy in the world. All achieved by maximising the huge resources of "little" UK.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jun 8, 2021 16:22:12 GMT
A few positives in the post Brexit era. ...On the economy front I'm also happy that none of the economic disasters forecast by voting leave have proven to be false. ... I knew you would see the economic truth of Brexit at some point
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 8, 2021 17:02:02 GMT
...On the economy front I'm also happy that none of the economic disasters forecast by voting leave have proven to be false. ... I knew you would see the economic truth of Brexit at some point Oops. Post amended.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 8, 2021 17:31:24 GMT
I knew you would see the economic truth of Brexit at some point Oops. Post amended. I was wondering for a moment if you’d been taking English lessons from the same bloke that taught that Essex poster. That was the sort of gibberish he excels at.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 8, 2021 19:49:37 GMT
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Post by raythesailor on Jun 9, 2021 8:16:39 GMT
What a bloody shambles !
From the end of this month (BBC reports) we are not allowed to send Sausages to N Ireland !!
If it wasn’t so important it would be very funny.
No wonder the N Irish are fed up.
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