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Post by thevoid on Jun 9, 2021 14:26:31 GMT
What a bloody shambles ! From the end of this month (BBC reports) we are not allowed to send Sausages to N Ireland !! If it wasn’t so important it would be very funny. No wonder the N Irish are fed up. You'd think they'd have had enough of 'bangers' in those parts anyway.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 9, 2021 15:23:30 GMT
What a bloody shambles ! From the end of this month (BBC reports) we are not allowed to send Sausages to N Ireland !! If it wasn’t so important it would be very funny. No wonder the N Irish are fed up. You'd think they'd have had enough of 'bangers' in those parts anyway. There used to be a Michelin Tyres factory in Northern Ireland. They used to say at the Mich that it was there because they were good at blowing things up.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 9, 2021 15:41:08 GMT
What a bloody shambles ! From the end of this month (BBC reports) we are not allowed to send Sausages to N Ireland !! If it wasn’t so important it would be very funny. No wonder the N Irish are fed up. Does that mean we can ban those bloody shite Richmond sausages and the stupid adverts that go with them
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jun 9, 2021 18:53:27 GMT
I couldn't care less about Brexit either way, but fuck me, we really are run by morons aren't we? You can't sign up to something, tell the country it's great and then try to renege on it and blame someone else. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57403258
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 9, 2021 19:34:34 GMT
I couldn't care less about Brexit either way, but fuck me, we really are run by morons aren't we? You can't sign up to something, tell the country it's great and then try to renege on it and blame someone else. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57403258Actually you could try to renegotiate something if you don't feel it is working. But you are right, we should not have signed up to it in the first place.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 9, 2021 21:23:40 GMT
I couldn't care less about Brexit either way, but fuck me, we really are run by morons aren't we? You can't sign up to something, tell the country it's great and then try to renege on it and blame someone else. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57403258Actually you could try to renegotiate something if you don't feel it is working. But you are right, we should not have signed up to it in the first place. The problem is the EU had a rather one sided view of the Good Friday agreement - that keeping the republicans onside was all that was needed. They were aided in this by the naive connivance of the Irish government, the incompetence of May’s Government and the venality of the 2016 parliament including Starmer and the Bollocks to Brexit / People’s Vote mob. What they ignored is there are two parties to satisfy in Ireland. And anyone with a smattering of knowledge of Irish history will be aware of what happened when the Liberals sought to introduce Home Rule before the First World War. Curragh mutiny et al. Ignore Irish Protestants at your peril. Which is what happened (partly also because the DUP played their hand poorly). And which now means the current arrangement is more likely to destroy the GFA than anything else. Now, you would expect the EU who were sooooooooo concerned previously about the sanctity of the GFA would be up for finding a solution. Well, they would if they gave a fuck. But they don’t because they never cared. For them it was all about Brexit and the EU project.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 9, 2021 22:50:30 GMT
The situation with Northern Ireland is a mess, and I don't profess to be an expert on the subject, despite having once been married to a Dublin girl who implacably believed Ireland was one country and should be united. (The nuns at the convent she attended school did a good job on her!) I spent a great deal of my career in negotiations with unions, suppliers, customers etc. At the end of the day all agreements are compromises, which is one of the reasons Arthur Scargill never achieved anything, because he found it impossible to compromise. (Something I learnt from a fellow coke oven manager.) In the case of Brexit each side and interested party had their "red lines" For the UK it was sovereignty - there was no way the UK were prepared post Brexit to have to accept EU future regulations of rulings of the ECOJ. For the EU it was the customs border - there was no way they were prepared to accept uncontrolled flow of goods and services into the EU. For France it was saving face for their fishing industry (supported by Belgium, Netherlands, etc.) - there was no way they were prepared to hand back full control of fishing in British waters to the UK. Other countries also tried to stick their oar in, like Spain wanting leverage on Gibraltar, but those demands were dismissed. At the end of the day there was an unsatisfactory compromise. The UK got its sovereignty but with a border down the Irish Sea. The UK got control of its waters back over a 5 year period, but lost much of the ability to sell fish produce into the EU. Some might say we should have continued negotiating till we got what we wanted, but that could be an endless process. Meanwhile world corporations were hesitating about investing in the UK. Some might say we should have walked away, but we have seen how poor a trade agreement is with the EU, no trade agreement would have been disastrous IMO. Remainers would of course ague that we should have voted to remain and still hold that view. I believe that would have been disastrous for the UK in the long term. Ever closer union would have resulted in progressive loss of control of our country to unelected bureaucrats, loss of the financial rebate, loss of Sterling currency, loss of control of foreign policy, an united European armed forces, financial control from Frankfurt, and a declining position in the world as the EU continues to shrink as a proportion of world commerce. This may sound far fetched, but mark my words, the EU will not allow another country to leave and measures will be introduced to prevent another Brexit. The first measure is the EU pandemic Recovery Fund which is effectively fiscal union by the back door. The Fund will be distributed as grants and loans, and will be repaid (including interest costs) primarily through higher EU dues and joint EU taxes from 2028 to 2058. For each nation to enter the fund their parliaments must accept the terms and thereafter, the Fund cannot be exited except by exiting the EU as a whole. Another move towards ever closer union is the plan to change EU foreign policy and diplomacy decisions by a majority and not by consensus. In other words to remove individual countries veto on such decisions. cedr.bg/en/eu-foreign-policy-cannot-be-hindered-by-veto-law/Everything that has happened since the referendum vote in 2016 has convinced me that the UK made the right decision to leave the EU. I would love for the UK to be part of a genuine European free trade zone, but not ruled by a United States of Europe. The ride will be bumpy for the next few years but in the long run the UK is better placed as a leading economy in the world markets like Japan, India, Brazil, Canada, etc. maximising the full potential of our assets.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 10, 2021 5:12:28 GMT
To me there is a relatively simple but painful for some solution to the ni protocol
Apply the rules to the same degree on all goods entering the the uk from the Eu Insist on all agricultural products from Ireland are inspected and relevant paperwork is produced
The same from Denmark
No French wine or cheese enters the country without bio security checks and paperwork of course done by the French before exportation
Each bunch of Dutch flowers have a separate sheet of paperwork before being allowed into the uk
Then of course we could insist on each crate of Spanish vegetables To have its own sheet of paperwork
It shouldn’t take many weeks before the pressure on individual countries by there own citizens will result with a sensible compromise
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 10, 2021 6:50:20 GMT
Actually you could try to renegotiate something if you don't feel it is working. But you are right, we should not have signed up to it in the first place. The problem is the EU had a rather one sided view of the Good Friday agreement - that keeping the republicans onside was all that was needed. They were aided in this by the naive connivance of the Irish government, the incompetence of May’s Government and the venality of the 2016 parliament including Starmer and the Bollocks to Brexit / People’s Vote mob. What they ignored is there are two parties to satisfy in Ireland. And anyone with a smattering of knowledge of Irish history will be aware of what happened when the Liberals sought to introduce Home Rule before the First World War. Curragh mutiny et al. Ignore Irish Protestants at your peril. Which is what happened (partly also because the DUP played their hand poorly). And which now means the current arrangement is more likely to destroy the GFA than anything else. Now, you would expect the EU who were sooooooooo concerned previously about the sanctity of the GFA would be up for finding a solution. Well, they would if they gave a fuck. But they don’t because they never cared. For them it was all about Brexit and the EU project. Although its only one report in the express, there is one that claims the EU is now considering the solution to be to treat the republic as a third country in regards to the movement of goods which would be a bit ironic.... The whole situation is a farce checking companies like sainsburys who dont have stores in the republic whilst demanding complete unchecked free movement for people and therefore anything they buy in the other country.....
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jun 10, 2021 11:16:17 GMT
The problem is the EU had a rather one sided view of the Good Friday agreement - that keeping the republicans onside was all that was needed. They were aided in this by the naive connivance of the Irish government, the incompetence of May’s Government and the venality of the 2016 parliament including Starmer and the Bollocks to Brexit / People’s Vote mob. What they ignored is there are two parties to satisfy in Ireland. And anyone with a smattering of knowledge of Irish history will be aware of what happened when the Liberals sought to introduce Home Rule before the First World War. Curragh mutiny et al. Ignore Irish Protestants at your peril. Which is what happened (partly also because the DUP played their hand poorly). And which now means the current arrangement is more likely to destroy the GFA than anything else. Now, you would expect the EU who were sooooooooo concerned previously about the sanctity of the GFA would be up for finding a solution. Well, they would if they gave a fuck. But they don’t because they never cared. For them it was all about Brexit and the EU project. Although its only one report in the express, there is one that claims the EU is now considering the solution to be to treat the republic as a third country in regards to the movement of goods which would be a bit ironic.... The whole situation is a farce checking companies like sainsburys who dont have stores in the republic whilst demanding complete unchecked free movement for people and therefore anything they buy in the other country..... Should have been suitable exemption built into the deal before Johnson signed it then but of course he doesn't do detail.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 10, 2021 11:57:58 GMT
Talking of missing the detail, I thought I knew quite a lot about the EU and the UK's membership/relationship. But I was surprised to learn today that Cornwall Council have decided to shut their office in Brussels and spend the £25,000 pa saved on local issues in Cornwall. I then wondered how many other local governments were spending money in Brussels and how much UK tax payers money they spending. I failed. I did find this: www.local.gov.uk/uk-brussels-officesHaving read their objectives in the link, I concluded they have failed miserably and the sooner all the expense of yet another "gravy train" is terminated and funds returned to the UK the better. Maybe it can be used to offset some of the costs of al the local government pension schemes.
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Post by 4372 on Jun 10, 2021 11:58:09 GMT
Why would they need to have done that? Plenty of people on here made it plain that they knew exactly what they were voting for.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 10, 2021 14:13:50 GMT
5 years on and it's time for a confessional: www.itv.com/news/2021-06-10/it-was-project-fear-and-it-didnt-work-head-of-remain-campaign-says-economic-dangers-of-brexit-were-exaggeratedThe composition of the committe for a Britain Stronger in Europe is interesting 5 years later. Fallure of the Remain campaign seems to be attributed most to the immigration issue, something that continues to be used to taint Leavers motives. I have never been against immigration. We were all immigrants if you go back far enough. What people were against is illegal immigration and other European nationals taking plumb UK jobs. We need immigrants and I forecast in the future the UK will be providing assisted passage to those immigrants who want to come and do jobs UK citizens don't want to do. I see Gordon Brown is crawling out to start campaigning for rejoining the EU. Well he had a hand in destroying the economy in 2008 by lack of control of lending/borrowing, destroyed final salary pension schemes (except for government employees), so he might as well have a go at completing the job!
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Post by foster on Jun 10, 2021 14:21:30 GMT
Talking of missing the detail, I thought I knew quite a lot about the EU and the UK's membership/relationship. But I was surprised to learn today that Cornwall Council have decided to shut their office in Brussels and spend the £25,000 pa saved on local issues in Cornwall. I then wondered how many other local governments were spending money in Brussels and how much UK tax payers money they spending. I failed. I did find this: www.local.gov.uk/uk-brussels-officesHaving read their objectives in the link, I concluded they have failed miserably and the sooner all the expense of yet another "gravy train" is terminated and funds returned to the UK the better. Maybe it can be used to offset some of the costs of al the local government pension schemes. The topic of a wage cap in football came up today on another thread. If that were to happen and funds were redirected where they're needed (or in reducing general fan costs accordingly) then that 25k would be insignificant. It pretty much is in any case. My point being, why waste time focusing on these tiny poultry sums while the general population are being screwed over by the super wealthy and politicians. There are plenty of bigger fish to fry and more important topics to be focusing on that would help everyday people.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 10, 2021 14:36:03 GMT
Talking of missing the detail, I thought I knew quite a lot about the EU and the UK's membership/relationship. But I was surprised to learn today that Cornwall Council have decided to shut their office in Brussels and spend the £25,000 pa saved on local issues in Cornwall. I then wondered how many other local governments were spending money in Brussels and how much UK tax payers money they spending. I failed. I did find this: www.local.gov.uk/uk-brussels-officesHaving read their objectives in the link, I concluded they have failed miserably and the sooner all the expense of yet another "gravy train" is terminated and funds returned to the UK the better. Maybe it can be used to offset some of the costs of al the local government pension schemes. The topic of a wage cap in football came up today on another thread. If that were to happen and funds were redirected where they're needed (or in reducing general fan costs accordingly) then that 25k would be insignificant. It pretty much is in any case. My point being, why waste time focusing on these tiny poultry sums while the general population are being screwed over by the super wealthy and politicians. There are plenty of bigger fish to fry and more important topics to be focusing on that would help everyday people. I agree £25,000 pa is small but my point was, I was unaware the our local councils, regional groups etc. Were spending money in Brussels and if Cornwall's spend was £25k pa, how much was the total amount by other councils, groups, and national assemblies, etc.? Are you happy with the way EU CAP money is distributed? Another system to fill the pockets of the richest. Well now we can change it to a system that protects all farmers, food supply, and protects the environment, not huge land owners and food processing companies. It will take a long time to undo decades of damage and there will be casualties, as there always are, but it will be far better in the long run. eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/true-80-percent-of-the-european-money-for-agriculture-goes-to-the-20-percent-largest-farmers/www.wwf.eu/wwf_news/media_centre/?uNewsID=328673
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Post by foster on Jun 10, 2021 14:43:14 GMT
The topic of a wage cap in football came up today on another thread. If that were to happen and funds were redirected where they're needed (or in reducing general fan costs accordingly) then that 25k would be insignificant. It pretty much is in any case. My point being, why waste time focusing on these tiny poultry sums while the general population are being screwed over by the super wealthy and politicians. There are plenty of bigger fish to fry and more important topics to be focusing on that would help everyday people. I agree £25,000 pa is small but my point was, I was unaware the our local councils, regional groups etc. Were spending money in Brussels and if Cornwall's spend was £25k pa, how much was the total amount by other councils, groups, and national assemblies, etc.? Are you happy with the way EU CAP money is distributed? Another system to fill the pockets of the richest. Well now we can change it to a system that protects all farmers, food supply, and protects the environment, not huge land owners and food processing companies. It will take a long time to undo decades of damage and there will be casualties, as there always are, but it will be far better in the long run. eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/true-80-percent-of-the-european-money-for-agriculture-goes-to-the-20-percent-largest-farmers/I'm out of the Brexit discussion. It's done and run it's course for me. I've got no interest in posting tit for tat links on Brexit pros and cons. There are much more important things in life to focus on imo.
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Post by maxplonk on Jun 11, 2021 6:26:12 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 11, 2021 6:28:30 GMT
Did they do a version with all the project fear predictions?
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 11, 2021 8:51:16 GMT
Did they do a version with all the project fear predictions? Here is an assessment on the project fear predictions: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-09/100-days-of-brexit-was-it-as-bad-as-project-fear-warnedThe only project fear prediction proved correct was the value of the £ dipped after the referendum result. Any loss of trade on actual leaving the EU is masked by pandemic effects. All other predictions such as recession, unemployment, inflation, fall in house prices, falls in trade, loss of world position, etc. have proved to be untrue. Whether we have done better or worse through the pandemic had we stayed in the EU, we will not know. My guess is we would still have been hardest hit because of our service economy, the amount of British world travellers, high levels of tourism and foreign students, government mistakes and lack of preparedness to tackle the issues, etc. We could also have been tied into the EU policy of working together on procuring vaccines which would have been disastrous. To suggest we would have managed better had we been in the EU, is a flight of fancy. As to the future time will tell. Predictions are still driven by extrapolating the past, but the reality is the world is changing rapidly. India will soon be the largest country in population and rapidly growing economy, eastern economies are growing rapidly, the EU growth is the slowest of all continents (except Antarctica) and has serious problems with the Euro and now massive pandemic debt. The impact of leaving the customs union will have short term negative impacts. The long term benefits are massive. All the above is concerned with finance, which is important because it drives standard of living. But for me the important things are, we have left a political union committed to ever closer union and loss of individual national sovereignty, we are no longer tied to the decisions of ECOJ, we are detached from EU foreign affairs decisions, we can free ourselves of thousands of constraints, and progress our own policies on issues such as the environment and maximise the resources we have on a global stage. The EU Commission conversely seem to be obsessed with stamping on individual countries who don't toe the line, and bowing to the wishes of corporate interests.
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Post by maxplonk on Jun 11, 2021 16:41:11 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 11, 2021 19:54:48 GMT
Exgarrated is just a nice word for lying really isnt it.
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Post by maxplonk on Jun 12, 2021 11:52:21 GMT
Exgarrated is just a nice word for lying really isnt it. I think you're pushing it more than a bit (exaggerating?) to try and equate more than a dozen falsehoods made by high-profile political figures via the main-stream media to a single observation made by a relative unknown speaking after the fact about a role he didn't really want. Incidentally, the cited article has an interesting take on "Project Fear:" "We never were giving £350 million a week to the European [Union]…That [was] a massive lie. There was lots of other innuendo, wasn’t there? About people arriving from Turkey. That was just a lie, a scare story. That was Project Fear but it was Project Fear that pressed the right button for people to vote.”
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 12, 2021 14:29:30 GMT
Exgarrated is just a nice word for lying really isnt it. I think you're pushing it more than a bit (exaggerating?) to try and equate more than a dozen falsehoods made by high-profile political figures via the main-stream media to a single observation made by a relative unknown speaking after the fact about a role he didn't really want. Incidentally, the cited article has an interesting take on "Project Fear:" "We never were giving £350 million a week to the European [Union]…That [was] a massive lie. There was lots of other innuendo, wasn’t there? About people arriving from Turkey. That was just a lie, a scare story. That was Project Fear but it was Project Fear that pressed the right button for people to vote.” A single observation made by the head of the leave campaign that their whole campaign was based on exgarration or rather lies. He is referring to forecasts produced by the Treasury that were I believe sent to every household as part of the government information leaflet conveniently before the campaigns started so it did not have to be included within remain costs. The bus and the Turkey thing were discussed massively by the media, it really is time to let go of your comfort blanket / teddy and just accept people voted leave because they wanted to leave the EU regardless.
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Post by foster on Jun 12, 2021 18:55:07 GMT
I think you're pushing it more than a bit (exaggerating?) to try and equate more than a dozen falsehoods made by high-profile political figures via the main-stream media to a single observation made by a relative unknown speaking after the fact about a role he didn't really want. Incidentally, the cited article has an interesting take on "Project Fear:" "We never were giving £350 million a week to the European [Union]…That [was] a massive lie. There was lots of other innuendo, wasn’t there? About people arriving from Turkey. That was just a lie, a scare story. That was Project Fear but it was Project Fear that pressed the right button for people to vote.” A single observation made by the head of the leave campaign that their whole campaign was based on exgarration or rather lies. He is referring to forecasts produced by the Treasury that were I believe sent to every household as part of the government information leaflet conveniently before the campaigns started so it did not have to be included within remain costs. The bus and the Turkey thing were discussed massively by the media, it really is time to let go of your comfort blanket / teddy and just accept people voted leave because they wanted to leave the EU regardless. In any case, Brexit is nothing more than a deflection from domestic issues that no government wants to face. Much easier to point the finger and criticise than actually do something positive for the wellbeing of the public. Health, environment, education, tax, wealth gap, employment, immigration, crime, etc. Everything has taken a back seat the past years, no questions asked. People have just lapped the Brexit debate up and continue to do so.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 12, 2021 20:30:42 GMT
A single observation made by the head of the leave campaign that their whole campaign was based on exgarration or rather lies. He is referring to forecasts produced by the Treasury that were I believe sent to every household as part of the government information leaflet conveniently before the campaigns started so it did not have to be included within remain costs. The bus and the Turkey thing were discussed massively by the media, it really is time to let go of your comfort blanket / teddy and just accept people voted leave because they wanted to leave the EU regardless. In any case, Brexit is nothing more than a deflection from domestic issues that no government wants to face. Much easier to point the finger and criticise than actually do something positive for the wellbeing of the public. Health, environment, education, tax, wealth gap, employment, immigration, crime, etc. Everything has taken a back seat the past years, no questions asked. People have just lapped the Brexit debate up and continue to do so. I know you are brassed off with the endless debate on Brexit and consider the other issues you mention more important, but please bear with me a moment. For a government to satisfactory address the issues you list no matter what their political ethos it needs to have a healthy economy and a sound balance of payments. The reason Heath took the UK into the EEC in the 70s was because the UK was the "sick man" of Europe and the attraction of a vastly increased "home" market was thought to be the answer. He was right , after joining the EEC the balance of payments improved markedly and the UK enjoyed a decade of positive trade balance. But times change, Thatcher destroyed manufacturing but did improve the efficiency of many nationalised industries that were bleeding the exchequer dry. The EU adopted more and more protective control measures and the world economy changed drastically with the growth of China, the tiger economies, and end of communism as we had known it in Russia and eastern Europe. A decade ago the UK entered into an age of ever increasing trade deficit with the EU, partly offset by increasing positive trade balance with the rapidly growing ROW economies: ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/trade-the-numbers/If any government is going to deliver the improvements in welfare you listed you need a vibrant economy which is not undermined by a negative balance of payments which devalues the currency in the long run. Brexit provides that opportunity for the UK to break out of the long period of trade deficit and start to pay our way in the world. It is not going to happen overnight but will take years for the UK economy to reposition itself in a global market.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jun 12, 2021 20:47:54 GMT
In any case, Brexit is nothing more than a deflection from domestic issues that no government wants to face. Much easier to point the finger and criticise than actually do something positive for the wellbeing of the public. Health, environment, education, tax, wealth gap, employment, immigration, crime, etc. Everything has taken a back seat the past years, no questions asked. People have just lapped the Brexit debate up and continue to do so. I know you are brassed off with the endless debate on Brexit and consider the other issues you mention more important, but please bear with me a moment. For a government to satisfactory address the issues you list no matter what their political ethos it needs to have a healthy economy and a sound balance of payments. The reason Heath took the UK into the EEC in the 70s was because the UK was the "sick man" of Europe and the attraction of a vastly increased "home" market was thought to be the answer. He was right , after joining the EEC the balance of payments improved markedly and the UK enjoyed a decade of positive trade balance. But times change, Thatcher destroyed manufacturing but did improve the efficiency of many nationalised industries that were bleeding the exchequer dry. The EU adopted more and more protective control measures and the world economy changed drastically with the growth of China, the tiger economies, and end of communism as we had known it in Russia and eastern Europe. A decade ago the UK entered into an age of ever increasing trade deficit with the EU, partly offset by increasing positive trade balance with the rapidly growing ROW economies: ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/trade-the-numbers/If any government is going to deliver the improvements in welfare you listed you need a vibrant economy which is not undermined by a negative balance of payments which devalues the currency in the long run. Brexit provides that opportunity for the UK to break out of the long period of trade deficit and start to pay our way in the world. It is not going to happen overnight but will take years for the UK economy to reposition itself in a global market. The IMF say that the UK is in a worse financial situation than countries like Uganda, Gambia etc, ?
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Post by thevoid on Jun 12, 2021 21:04:15 GMT
I know you are brassed off with the endless debate on Brexit and consider the other issues you mention more important, but please bear with me a moment. For a government to satisfactory address the issues you list no matter what their political ethos it needs to have a healthy economy and a sound balance of payments. The reason Heath took the UK into the EEC in the 70s was because the UK was the "sick man" of Europe and the attraction of a vastly increased "home" market was thought to be the answer. He was right , after joining the EEC the balance of payments improved markedly and the UK enjoyed a decade of positive trade balance. But times change, Thatcher destroyed manufacturing but did improve the efficiency of many nationalised industries that were bleeding the exchequer dry. The EU adopted more and more protective control measures and the world economy changed drastically with the growth of China, the tiger economies, and end of communism as we had known it in Russia and eastern Europe. A decade ago the UK entered into an age of ever increasing trade deficit with the EU, partly offset by increasing positive trade balance with the rapidly growing ROW economies: ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/trade-the-numbers/If any government is going to deliver the improvements in welfare you listed you need a vibrant economy which is not undermined by a negative balance of payments which devalues the currency in the long run. Brexit provides that opportunity for the UK to break out of the long period of trade deficit and start to pay our way in the world. It is not going to happen overnight but will take years for the UK economy to reposition itself in a global market. The IMF say that the UK is in a worse financial situation than countries like Uganda, Gambia etc, ? That .?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jun 12, 2021 21:11:48 GMT
The IMF say that the UK is in a worse financial situation than countries like Uganda, Gambia etc, ? That .? Exactly
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 13, 2021 7:26:53 GMT
A single observation made by the head of the leave campaign that their whole campaign was based on exgarration or rather lies. He is referring to forecasts produced by the Treasury that were I believe sent to every household as part of the government information leaflet conveniently before the campaigns started so it did not have to be included within remain costs. The bus and the Turkey thing were discussed massively by the media, it really is time to let go of your comfort blanket / teddy and just accept people voted leave because they wanted to leave the EU regardless. In any case, Brexit is nothing more than a deflection from domestic issues that no government wants to face. Much easier to point the finger and criticise than actually do something positive for the wellbeing of the public. Health, environment, education, tax, wealth gap, employment, immigration, crime, etc. Everything has taken a back seat the past years, no questions asked. People have just lapped the Brexit debate up and continue to do so. That, and preventing one political party from self-destructing, at whatever cost to the country's businesses, constitutional integrity and future. Now that the EU can no longer be blamed for everything (although some people and certain right-wing papers are still desperate to make out that's the case, conveniently ignoring the 'fantastic' deal we negotiated!), we seem to have moved on to using the whole 'woke' bollocks as the next thing the easily distracted can be persuaded to concentrate on instead of all those things you rightly mentioned above as being of actual, daily, life-impacting importance.
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Post by Kilo on Jun 15, 2021 7:16:14 GMT
Doesn't matter that the EU don't have a free trade deal with Australia, it's too far away and their beef is radioactive anyway and the red bus figure was wrong. Thought I'd get in first.
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