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Post by mrcoke on May 4, 2021 11:32:16 GMT
Reference please. Once again you are misquoting. Farage said that the UK government policy was "opening the doors" to effectively the whole population of Romania and other east European countries. That is simply stating a fact. The point was who knows how many would (at the time "could") have come to the UK. He did not say how many would come. You don't know how many could have come. The point now is we have left the EU. We are a sovereign nation once again. We can decide how many immigrants come. We can decide what number of foreign workers can come, to do specific jobs, for a specific period. The UK government is now in control of immigration. We no longer have wide open doors for anyone and any number of EU citizens to enter this country. I am quite happy for immigrants to come in a do jobs that cannot be filled by UK workers. I moved house 5 times to get the job I wanted. I was effectively an immigrant moving to different parts of the country to take a job. Plenty of Brits leave the UK to get the job they want. Pre-pandemic, we had the highest employment number ever in our history. We had the lowest unemployment for over 40 years. I fully expect that in a few months time employers will be desperate for people to fill jobs. Here you go, here's Nige talking about the UK "opening the door to 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians". It's dog whistle stuff, isn't it? It works, sadly. What he said is absolutely correct. The doors were opened to uncontrolled immigration. He did not say 29 million were coming, would come, or even could come. He said it was a reckless step to allow a free for all of their population to come and was correct. Conversely the anti Brexit campaign predicted recession, collapse of the £, unemployment, and house price fall which were all incorrect pre-pandemic. For example: Your darling Guardian you repeatedly quote: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/20/brexit-crash-pound-living-standards-george-soros
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 4, 2021 11:42:36 GMT
Here you go, here's Nige talking about the UK "opening the door to 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians". It's dog whistle stuff, isn't it? It works, sadly. What he said is absolutely correct. The doors were opened to uncontrolled immigration. He did not say 29 million were coming, would come, or even could come. He said it was a reckless step to allow a free for all of their population to come and was correct. Conversely the anti Brexit campaign predicted recession, collapse of the £, unemployment, and house price fall which were all incorrect pre-pandemic. For example: Your darling Guardian you repeatedly quote: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/20/brexit-crash-pound-living-standards-george-sorosIt's pretty obvious what he was implying though, isn't it. I think anyone can see that. 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians. "They're coming, be afraid, be very afraid". Pretty tawdry dog whistle xenophobic stuff. But, you know, be glad, it worked, ultimately. Immigration was the primary Vote Leave driver. I suspect you've mixed me up with someone else. I rarely quote the darling Guardian, preferring the Daily Telegraph so that fewer people simply dismiss the source as biased. It doesn't always work, obviously
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Post by mrcoke on May 4, 2021 11:48:28 GMT
Great news: www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-announces-1-billion-of-new-uk-india-tradeThis deal has massive potential for the long term. India may be in trauma today but by the end of the decade will be the largest population country in the world. Unlike China, India is "open" and there be huge potential for UK business. India already has 300 million middle class which represents a huge potential market for the type of products the UK excels at. Plus I expect a large boom in Indian tourists holidaying in the UK post pandemic. It would not surprise me to see many UK manufacturing companies moving their manufacturing facilities in China and the EU* to India. * Why does AstroZenica come to mind? Oops... www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/india-trade-deal-brexit-johnson-eu-b1841373.htmlIncidentally, how about those UK manufacturing companies moving their manufacturing facilities to, you know, the UK? Wasn't that one of the supposed plus points about Brexit? Once again absolute biased half truth aimed to mislead gullible people. India and the EU have been negotiating a trade deal for over a decade and got nowhere . Negotiations were halted in 2013 (no doubt because the EU were being unreasonable). But now the UK has made rapid headway since deciding to leave the EU in 2016 (trade deals take years to negotiate) the EU has had to get its finger out and press on otherwise it will be overtaken by the UK. (and I would guess weaken its demands.) " Steals a march in the race" is laughable. The EU and India negotiated a cooperation and partnership agreement in 1994, which the UK has been party to of course when members of the EU. Negotiations for a full blown trade agreement between the EU and India started in 2007. Fast movers the EU aren't they? You really should check your facts and not believe what you read in the Independent, or Guardian, etc. Here are some facts from the EU: ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/india/The EU's idea of a race to get a trade deal is about as credible as their race to secure vaccine supplies.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 4, 2021 11:49:32 GMT
Once again absolute biased half truth aimed to mislead gullible people. We still on about Farage?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 4, 2021 11:55:00 GMT
Once again absolute biased half truth aimed to mislead gullible people. India and the EU have been negotiating a trade deal for over a decade and got nowhere . Negotiations were halted in 2013 (no doubt because the EU were being unreasonable). But now the UK has made rapid headway since deciding to leave the EU in 2016 (trade deals take years to negotiate) the EU has had to get its finger out and press on otherwise it will be overtaken by the UK. (and I would guess weaken its demands.) " Steals a march in the race" is laughable. The EU and India negotiated a cooperation and partnership agreement in 1994, which the UK has been party to of course when members of the EU. Negotiations for a full blown trade agreement between the EU and India started in 2007. Fast movers the EU aren't they? You really should check your facts and not believe what you read in the Independent, or Guardian, etc. Here are some facts from the EU: ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/india/The EU's idea of a race to get a trade deal is about as credible as their race to secure vaccine supplies. From the darling Times: " "O’Sullivan [EU trade spokesperson] noted that there would be a “strategic first-mover advantage” for the EU in securing a deal. “We would be the first bloc to conclude a comprehensive FTA. That is a reason in itself to look at all the specific problems [in the talks] with a bit of context,” he said." We'd best get our skates on.
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Post by mrcoke on May 4, 2021 11:57:47 GMT
Your last paragraph is misleading and has been propagated by pro EU membership persons but you never heard pro EU membership politicians stating it. Why? Because the truth is any EU citizen can travel to any other EU country unfettered. Any EU citizen can live in any EU country provided they are not a burden on that society. So any employed, self employed, student, or retired person can settle where they wish. A country cannot bar entry, and can only repatriate those who can be proven to be a burden. Freedom of movement is going to get very interesting once continental travel opens up again. I can't see Brexiteers being too happy when they are queuing for hours to be allowed into Spain for two weeks of cooked breakfasts and lager "I didn't vote for this. I voted for fewer immigrants and to tell Brussels to fuck off". Is that the same sort of queues as the lorry queuing at the ports that were predicted after we left the EU? More doom and gloom? Edit PS Aren't you starting to confuse tourism with immigration? If the Spanish start being difficult with tourists, who will win in the long run?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 4, 2021 12:27:49 GMT
Freedom of movement is going to get very interesting once continental travel opens up again. I can't see Brexiteers being too happy when they are queuing for hours to be allowed into Spain for two weeks of cooked breakfasts and lager "I didn't vote for this. I voted for fewer immigrants and to tell Brussels to fuck off". Is that the same sort of queues as the lorry queuing at the ports that were predicted after we left the EU? More doom and gloom? You mean the ones that led to the creation of lorry parks in Kent, the M20 being closed down on numerous occasions, the introduction of a new permit system to allow UK lorry drivers to enter Kent and the queues that did actually occur? Or did we imagine all that Let's see how it pans out for importers: the darling Telegraph: "The UK (11 March) bowed to pressure from businesses by again delaying customs checks on imports from the EU and elsewhere by six months, to January 2022. The move, which is the second six-month delay made by the UK government, means that customs processes for some imports will not be required until January 2022. Certification for animal products such as milk and meat will be required from October, with in-person inspections being carried out." Should all go swimmingly, like previously
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 4, 2021 12:30:36 GMT
Freedom of movement is going to get very interesting once continental travel opens up again. I can't see Brexiteers being too happy when they are queuing for hours to be allowed into Spain for two weeks of cooked breakfasts and lager "I didn't vote for this. I voted for fewer immigrants and to tell Brussels to fuck off". Edit PS Aren't you starting to confuse tourism with immigration? If the Spanish start being difficult with tourists, who will win in the long run? Dunno. Perhaps more Germans will go to Spain if the Brits stop going? Better availability of sunbeds It'll certainly do our own tourist industry good if more and more people forego the continent and choose to stay at home for their hols.
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Post by mrcoke on May 4, 2021 12:45:18 GMT
Is that the same sort of queues as the lorry queuing at the ports that were predicted after we left the EU? More doom and gloom? You mean the ones that led to the creation of lorry parks in Kent, the M20 being closed down on numerous occasions, the introduction of a new permit system to allow UK lorry drivers to enter Kent and the queues that did actually occur? Or did we imagine all that Let's see how it pans out for importers: the darling Telegraph: "The UK (11 March) bowed to pressure from businesses by again delaying customs checks on imports from the EU and elsewhere by six months, to January 2022. The move, which is the second six-month delay made by the UK government, means that customs processes for some imports will not be required until January 2022. Certification for animal products such as milk and meat will be required from October, with in-person inspections being carried out." Should all go swimmingly, like previously Those queues were before the trade deal and end of transition period when exporters were panicking to move goods. A large degree of the delays was drivers not having Covid test clearance. The lorry parks are not needed. Everything is flowing smoothly. I'm happy for the UK to reduce imports and increase the UK self sufficiency. The UK has always had a major trade deficit on dairy products pre pandemic. Exports are minor and largely milk to Ireland to convert to Cheddar cheese and sell back to the UK. This last week I have bought my favourite French wine and cheese, plus some Italian wine recommended by my merchant. If he tells me next month he can't get it, I can't imagine the dire consequences. I suppose I'll have to make do with Penfolds Grange. Good news on the tourist front, Spain's out this year: www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/portugal-poised-welcome-uk-tourists-20519851
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Post by mrcoke on May 4, 2021 16:06:04 GMT
Great news: www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-announces-1-billion-of-new-uk-india-tradeThis deal has massive potential for the long term. India may be in trauma today but by the end of the decade will be the largest population country in the world. Unlike China, India is "open" and there be huge potential for UK business. India already has 300 million middle class which represents a huge potential market for the type of products the UK excels at. Plus I expect a large boom in Indian tourists holidaying in the UK post pandemic. It would not surprise me to see many UK manufacturing companies moving their manufacturing facilities in China and the EU* to India. * Why does AstroZenica come to mind? Oops... www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/india-trade-deal-brexit-johnson-eu-b1841373.htmlIncidentally, how about those UK manufacturing companies moving their manufacturing facilities to, you know, the UK? Wasn't that one of the supposed plus points about Brexit? Further to my last reply to the above post, regarding manufacturing: I don't recall anyone supporting Brexit saying there would be much movement of manufacturing back to the UK. Our high taxes, employment costs, and energy costs mean it is unlikely significant traditional industries would return; only possibly very high added value businesses such as pharmaceuticals, high spec. engineering, etc. I would like to see more of our own food processing rather than countries like Ireland, Belgium, and The Netherlands doing it for us, and the further growth of the wine industry. It is more likely that the UK will halt/reduce the slide in the loss of industry and increase the expansion of our existing main commercial activities including IT, financial services, green technology, entertainment/ leisure/sport/ tourism etc. There will be unique and niche activities/opportunities such as battery production, potash, and even that coking coal mine! This announcement is more typical though of what to expect in the years ahead: bdaily.co.uk/articles/2021/05/04/indian-digital-consultant-to-support-economic-recovery-with-creation-of-1000-uk-jobs
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 5, 2021 15:01:40 GMT
This is fucking goldust. The Moggsta absolutely raping and pillaging the utterly clownish, infamously wrong James O'brien on his own show. Attempted bullying gone wrong.
Can't believe I never saw this.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 5, 2021 19:04:07 GMT
This is fucking goldust. The Moggsta absolutely raping and pillaging the utterly clownish, infamously wrong James O'brien on his own show. Attempted bullying gone wrong. Can't believe I never saw this. Classic Mogg, calmly dismantling O’Brien with facts! He just says it as it is, no hyperbole required.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 5, 2021 19:07:42 GMT
This is fucking goldust. The Moggsta absolutely raping and pillaging the utterly clownish, infamously wrong James O'brien on his own show. Attempted bullying gone wrong. Can't believe I never saw this. Classic Mogg, calmly dismantling O’Brien with facts! He just says it as it is, no hyperbole required. And an incredibly successful businessman respectfully teaching an ill informed, luvvie, lefty dope about life. Brilliant stuff. I thought most of us grew out of wild left wing views by the time we were 18. James O'brien never did I guess. What a prat.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 5, 2021 19:12:26 GMT
Classic Mogg, calmly dismantling O’Brien with facts! He just says it as it is, no hyperbole required. And an incredibly successful businessman respectfully teaching an ill informed, luvvie, lefty dope about life. Brilliant stuff. I thought most of us grew out of wild left wing views by the time we were 18. James O'brien never did I guess. What a prat. The way O’Brien attempts to mock Moggs accent/language tells you all you need to know about him. A snarling, swivel eyed spokesperson for the wokesters with research sourced exclusively from Twatter. Embarrassing stuff really.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 5, 2021 19:15:38 GMT
And an incredibly successful businessman respectfully teaching an ill informed, luvvie, lefty dope about life. Brilliant stuff. I thought most of us grew out of wild left wing views by the time we were 18. James O'brien never did I guess. What a prat. The way O’Brien attempts to mock Moggs accent/language tells you all you need to know about him. A snarling, swivel eyed spokesperson for the wokesters with research sourced exclusively from Twatter. Embarrassing stuff really. Indeed mate. A nasty piece of work who is always going to be a bitter loser. He's like that annoying Corbynista kid who loses a debate and then slams his glass against the table and storms off in a big sulk.
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Post by xchpotter on May 5, 2021 19:27:19 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on May 5, 2021 19:29:23 GMT
The way O’Brien attempts to mock Moggs accent/language tells you all you need to know about him. A snarling, swivel eyed spokesperson for the wokesters with research sourced exclusively from Twatter. Embarrassing stuff really. Indeed mate. A nasty piece of work who is always going to be a bitter loser. He's like that annoying Corbynista kid who loses a debate and then slams his glass against the table and storms off in a big sulk. Reminds me of Kevin the Teenager. Identical facial expressions.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 5, 2021 19:42:37 GMT
And an incredibly successful businessman respectfully teaching an ill informed, luvvie, lefty dope about life. Brilliant stuff. I thought most of us grew out of wild left wing views by the time we were 18. James O'brien never did I guess. What a prat. The way O’Brien attempts to mock Moggs accent/language tells you all you need to know about him. A snarling, swivel eyed spokesperson for the wokesters with research sourced exclusively from Twatter. Embarrassing stuff really. Obviously easy to mock Mogg's accent and he is a caricature of everything the left despises, thus an easy target. He inadvertently brought out the nastiness of the left when his children were targetted..the Left have become the nasty suppressors of any view they disagree with......but the important thing from this interview, in my opinion, is the content....not O'brien nor Mogg.....Mogg's analysis of the Brexit process is 100% spot on......a pity that he and Farage weren't able to play a more active part in the withdrawal. For example at 7.20 Jacob is absolutely correct on WTO......they don't intervene unless there is a problem, they don't impose rules , but laydown guidelines, only intervening if there is an issue.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 5, 2021 20:05:22 GMT
The way O’Brien attempts to mock Moggs accent/language tells you all you need to know about him. A snarling, swivel eyed spokesperson for the wokesters with research sourced exclusively from Twatter. Embarrassing stuff really. Obviously easy to mock Mogg's accent and he is a caricature of everything the left despises, thus an easy target. He inadvertently brought out the nastiness of the left when his children were targetted..the Left have become the nasty suppressors of any view they disagree with......but the important thing from this interview, in my opinion, is the content....not O'brien nor Mogg.....Mogg's analysis of the Brexit process is 100% spot on......a pity that he and Farage weren't able to play a more active part in the withdrawal. For example at 7.20 Jacob is absolutely correct on WTO......they don't intervene unless there is a problem, they don't impose rules , but laydown guidelines, only intervening been there is an issue. Absolutely.
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Post by 4372 on May 5, 2021 20:29:00 GMT
Generally I prefer my Fruit Loops on the breakfast table. Can someone please put them back in the box?
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Post by franklin on May 5, 2021 20:29:26 GMT
Good im sick of hearing them threatening tell 'um to fuck right off.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 5, 2021 20:32:46 GMT
Generally I prefer my Fruit Loops on the breakfast table. Can someone please put them back in the box? WTF are fruit loops? I’ve googled it, I’ve never heard of em.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 6, 2021 6:23:02 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on May 6, 2021 6:28:37 GMT
Well somethings never change French ships retreat back out to sea once the Royal Navy arrive
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Post by wagsastokie on May 6, 2021 6:30:59 GMT
Generally I prefer my Fruit Loops on the breakfast table. Can someone please put them back in the box? WTF are fruit loops? I’ve googled it, I’ve never heard of em. Apparently some 1950s American breakfast cereal I believe
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Post by partickpotter on May 6, 2021 7:23:11 GMT
Well somethings never change French ships retreat back out to sea once the Royal Navy arrive I don’t think so. French fisherman are tough cookies. They are also used, thanks to CFP, to being indulged. So, they act with impunity when they don’t get their way. Not dissimilar to French farmers who have been the principal beneficiaries of CAP and developed the same levels of dependency and entitlement. A toxic combination.
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Post by xchpotter on May 6, 2021 7:57:50 GMT
Exactly, but that’s what you get in France.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 6, 2021 8:50:19 GMT
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Post by thevoid on May 6, 2021 9:30:08 GMT
"The agreement reached, however limited in scope, at least enables France and the EU to get Brexit out of the way and to focus on more pressing issues such as the Covid-19 pandemic, the economic crisis and migration."
I thought migration was purely a Brexit concern 😲
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Post by thevoid on May 6, 2021 9:39:35 GMT
Classic Mogg, calmly dismantling O’Brien with facts! He just says it as it is, no hyperbole required. And an incredibly successful businessman respectfully teaching an ill informed, luvvie, lefty dope about life. Brilliant stuff. I thought most of us grew out of wild left wing views by the time we were 18. James O'brien never did I guess. What a prat. All you need to know about the left wing: In 2019 JRM was out with his young son and abused by a crowd of Remainers outside Parliament which was distressing for his child. But according to Robert Webb (the one from Peep Show who hasn't got a fit wife) it was Mogg's fault... Left wing duplicity in all it's glory
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