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Post by muggleton on Jan 26, 2021 13:08:55 GMT
The UK's vaccine minister warned of "the dead end of vaccine nationalism". The absolute brass neck of it.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 26, 2021 14:11:21 GMT
The UK's vaccine minister warned of "the dead end of vaccine nationalism". The absolute brass neck of it. It doesn’t mean he isn’t correct. To my mind this is the EU revealing its true colours as the world’s largest trade protection racket. First and foremost it looks after its own - or tries to. Once, of course, the interests of Brussels and the Eurocrats have been sorted. The “project” always comes first.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 26, 2021 14:22:28 GMT
The UK's vaccine minister warned of "the dead end of vaccine nationalism". The absolute brass neck of it. It doesn’t mean he isn’t correct. To my mind this is the EU revealing its true colours as the world’s largest trade protection racket. First and foremost it looks after its own - or tries to. Once, of course, the interests of Brussels and the Eurocrats have been sorted. The “project” always comes first. Probably explains all the noise from the EU
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Post by muggleton on Jan 26, 2021 14:44:16 GMT
The UK's vaccine minister warned of "the dead end of vaccine nationalism". The absolute brass neck of it. It doesn’t mean he isn’t correct. To my mind this is the EU revealing its true colours as the world’s largest trade protection racket. First and foremost it looks after its own - or tries to. Once, of course, the interests of Brussels and the Eurocrats have been sorted. The “project” always comes first. He's been a big fan of vaccine nationalism up to now, so he clearly has no issue with it in principle. And 'looking after it's own' is kinda the point of the EU. Whether the UK fares better outside the club than in it will define our politics for a generation.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 26, 2021 14:54:25 GMT
It doesn’t mean he isn’t correct. To my mind this is the EU revealing its true colours as the world’s largest trade protection racket. First and foremost it looks after its own - or tries to. Once, of course, the interests of Brussels and the Eurocrats have been sorted. The “project” always comes first. Probably explains all the noise from the EU I've just posted this link on the virus thread: www.itv.com/news/2021-01-26/covid-vaccine-what-is-the-dispute-between-the-eu-and-astrazeneca
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 15:21:50 GMT
The EU is literally going up in flames. You couldn't make it up given the timing, just a few weeks after we got out.
The whole flawed construct of the EU meant it was always likely to be vulnerable in the time of a widespread crisis - particularly one that is so heavily dependent on a proactive, slick, non-bureaucratic response.
This is going to be a fascinating watch.
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Post by 4372 on Jan 26, 2021 15:21:54 GMT
To my mind this is the EU revealing its true colours as the world’s largest trade protection racket. First and foremost it looks after its own - or tries to. Once, of course, the interests of Brussels and the Eurocrats have been sorted. The “project” always comes first.
First and foremost the EU (and its earlier formats) is about keeping peace in Europe. You know that really.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 26, 2021 15:26:47 GMT
You are quite right and of course it may never happen. All I am pointing out is that a British company making a bid for a German steel company is completely "out of left field", and totally at odds with what has happened in the UK steel industry since the upheavals of the late 70s when a string of UK steelworks were closed, the steel strike of 1980, the 80s under Thatcher when McGregor was drafted in from America to "sort out" the industry, privatisation, and subsequent steady decline with a major works closed each decade. It is quite possible Liberty intend to acquire a modern German steelworks, move production from the UK and close an old British works, which I have witnessed in the refractory industry. Personally I do not get too upset at the decline of heavy industry as I believe ultimately it will all move to the third world, due to employment and energy costs. What has upset me it seeing UK lose its industry while the other countries like France, Germany, Italy, etc cheat by not following competition rules, subsidising, and breaking legislation. The UK is right in the long run to concentrate on high tech. industry, financial services, etc. I'll now to your better knowledge on the steel industry, but the damage from Brexit to the UK service sector is the economic impact I'm most concerned about. It was sacrificed on the altar of Freedom of Movement, and I think that'll come to be seen as a pretty significant error. I suspect the chickens will soon be home to roost on that one, once Covid recedes into the distance. Agriculture and many services depend on it pretty extensively. So, unless Brits suddenly start taking up an interest in doing these kinds of jobs (unlikely), or employers start paying the kinds of salaries that will encourage Brits to do these jobs (again unlikely - nowt stopping them previously!) who will be doing them? Or, more pertinently, which new set of migrants will we see doing them and how will this be sold to all those people who voted for Brexit for precisely the reason of getting rid of the migrants...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 26, 2021 15:31:03 GMT
The EU is literally going up in flames. You couldn't make it up given the timing, just a few weeks after we got out. The whole flawed construct of the EU meant it was always likely to be vulnerable in the time of a widespread crisis - particularly one that is so heavily dependent on a proactive, slick, non-bureaucratic response. This is going to be a fascinating watch. Except, the EU isn't "literally going up in flames". You don't half over-react, bianco You might as well say "the UK is literally dying" - because a lot of folk have died of Covid...! There may well be sporadic Covid protests in various countries - perhaps you missed it but we've had several over here too!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 15:36:12 GMT
The EU is literally going up in flames. You couldn't make it up given the timing, just a few weeks after we got out. The whole flawed construct of the EU meant it was always likely to be vulnerable in the time of a widespread crisis - particularly one that is so heavily dependent on a proactive, slick, non-bureaucratic response. This is going to be a fascinating watch. Except, the EU isn't "literally going up in flames". You don't half over-react, bianco You might as well say "the UK is literally dying" - because a lot of folk have died of Covid...! There may well be sporadic Covid protests in various countries - perhaps you missed it but we've had several over here too! Mate come on we both know the EU is in an incredibly bad state right now. I was just chatting to our guys in Romania and they are absolutely fuming at the delays. You've got Spain, Greece and Italy that are already on the brink (EU flags being burnt in town squares in Italy). You've got the riots in the Netherlands and I can assure you there were quite a few flames last night! I think its becoming pretty obvious the EU is creaking like mad. This EU vaccine crisis could genuinely finish it off. The funny thing is and what it makes it better is the fact that these delays are such a classic example of EU bureaucracy gone wrong.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 26, 2021 15:39:33 GMT
Except, the EU isn't "literally going up in flames". You don't half over-react, bianco You might as well say "the UK is literally dying" - because a lot of folk have died of Covid...! There may well be sporadic Covid protests in various countries - perhaps you missed it but we've had several over here too! Mate come on we both know the EU is in an incredibly bad state right now. I was just chatting to our guys in Romania and they are absolutely fuming at the delays. You've got Spain, Greece and Italy that are already on the brink (EU flags being burnt in town squares in Italy). You've got the riots in the Netherlands and I can assure you there were quite a few flames last night! I think its becoming pretty obvious the EU is creaking like mad. This EU vaccine crisis could genuinely finish it off. Yeak, ok! You're getting carried away with your wishful thinking. Tell you what, let's see how much you genuinely think the stuff you post is real...I bet you £100 the EU is still there come this time next year! Go on, put you money where your mouth is, bianco...! All proceeds to Donna Louise Trust, loser posts the link to show they've donated...
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 16:06:36 GMT
Mate come on we both know the EU is in an incredibly bad state right now. I was just chatting to our guys in Romania and they are absolutely fuming at the delays. You've got Spain, Greece and Italy that are already on the brink (EU flags being burnt in town squares in Italy). You've got the riots in the Netherlands and I can assure you there were quite a few flames last night! I think its becoming pretty obvious the EU is creaking like mad. This EU vaccine crisis could genuinely finish it off. Yeak, ok! You're getting carried away with your wishful thinking. Tell you what, let's see how much you genuinely think the stuff you post is real...I bet you £100 the EU is still there come this time next year! Go on, put you money where your mouth is, bianco...! All proceeds to Donna Louise Trust, loser posts the link to show they've donated... I bet you this time next year that the EU is experiencing a terrible economic recession, a worse economic crash than the UK and one or a number of its member states actively discussing referendums and leaving. Deal?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 26, 2021 18:23:24 GMT
Haha, always makes me laugh how, as soon as money is on the table, all the bluff and bullshit immediately dies away Nope, the bet was based on your confident assertion that you think this could "genuinely finish it off". No shifting the goalposts now, bianco! That's the bet, £100, Donna Louise Trust, loser posts the link to show they've donated....
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Post by foster on Jan 26, 2021 18:35:27 GMT
Yeak, ok! You're getting carried away with your wishful thinking. Tell you what, let's see how much you genuinely think the stuff you post is real...I bet you £100 the EU is still there come this time next year! Go on, put you money where your mouth is, bianco...! All proceeds to Donna Louise Trust, loser posts the link to show they've donated... I bet you this time next year that the EU is experiencing a terrible economic recession, a worse economic crash than the UK and one or a number of its member states actively discussing referendums and leaving. Deal? Definitely wishful thinking scfcbiancorossi mate. Set the terms and defining criteria, plus source and I may also take you up on this bet. One thing is for sure, the EU is not going up in flames and the news I've seen from various EU countries often makes comparisons between their death rate and the UKs. You can argue a case that the number of people actually dying from COVID is more important than the speed of the vaccine rollout. If you have a much lower death rate then there's less urgency to vaccinate everyone ASAP. Speaking only from how it's being handled in Belgium, the nationals here don't seem to be upset with the vaccine timetable. Indeed, in the main, people are understanding and content with the COVID response.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 26, 2021 19:10:58 GMT
Yeak, ok! You're getting carried away with your wishful thinking. Tell you what, let's see how much you genuinely think the stuff you post is real...I bet you £100 the EU is still there come this time next year! Go on, put you money where your mouth is, bianco...! All proceeds to Donna Louise Trust, loser posts the link to show they've donated... I bet you this time next year that the EU is experiencing a terrible economic recession, a worse economic crash than the UK and one or a number of its member states actively discussing referendums and leaving. Deal? And I'll bet you that Scotland leaves the Union before any one of the current 27 leaves the EU.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 19:29:37 GMT
I bet you this time next year that the EU is experiencing a terrible economic recession, a worse economic crash than the UK and one or a number of its member states actively discussing referendums and leaving. Deal? And I'll bet you that Scotland leaves the Union before any one of the current 27 leaves the EU. Leaving the UK to join a knackered, crumbling old boys club that's in utter chaos - ran by Nicola Sturgeon. Only the Scots could come up with such a dumb ass idea. It would be hard to have any sympathy if they did leave in the next few years as we watch their economy fall off a cliff.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 26, 2021 19:41:15 GMT
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Post by questionable on Jan 26, 2021 19:43:36 GMT
And I'll bet you that Scotland leaves the Union before any one of the current 27 leaves the EU. Leaving the UK to join a knackered, crumbling old boys club that's in utter chaos - ran by Nicola Sturgeon. Only the Scots could come up with such a dumb ass idea. It would be hard to have any sympathy if they did leave in the next few years as we watch their economy fall off a cliff. Recall reading a report that stated if Scotland did leave it would destroy certain parts of their economy, there was mention of a big Royal Navy base up there which relied massively on the Navy.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 19:47:34 GMT
I bet you this time next year that the EU is experiencing a terrible economic recession, a worse economic crash than the UK and one or a number of its member states actively discussing referendums and leaving. Deal? Definitely wishful thinking scfcbiancorossi mate. Set the terms and defining criteria, plus source and I may also take you up on this bet. One thing is for sure, the EU is not going up in flames and the news I've seen from various EU countries often makes comparisons between their death rate and the UKs. You can argue a case that the number of people actually dying from COVID is more important than the speed of the vaccine rollout. If you have a much lower death rate then there's less urgency to vaccinate everyone ASAP. Speaking only from how it's being handled in Belgium, the nationals here don't seem to be upset with the vaccine timetable. Indeed, in the main, people are understanding and content with the COVID response. I'm drawing the contract up as we speak mate 😉 Put the questions the other way round then. Do you think the EU will be in a stronger economical state than the UK next year? Do you think that not one EU member state will be discussing the idea of leaving the EU and holding a referendum? Let's just put things into perspective. - Spain is on a path to becoming a third world state, currently led by a far left/communist coalition government and suffering some of the worst unemployment rates in European history. Riots in most towns across Spain are becoming a regular feature - my girlfriend is from Spain so I get a nice insight. - France is a country in chaos. Mass rioting, high unemployment, despised leadership and a growing disconnect between police and the people. - Greece. Not a lot to be said here. After their overturned democratic referendum in 2015, Tsipras, voted the most despised leader in the world at one point well and truly fucked this shit show. Airports, toll roads, taxes and businesses seized by the EU - no wonder the Greek population (ironically particularly younger generations) want members of EU parliament assassinated. Oh yeah... And their economy is in tatters. - Italy. Scenes of EU flags being set on fire in town squares are becoming a regular occurance. It's widely accepted Italexit would happen if a referendum was held tomorrow. Yet again, an economy thats in dire straits. Further anti EU sentiment has been driven off the back of a dreadfully delayed initial covid package last year and the horrifyingly bad vaccine roll out is just adding more fuel to an already raging fire. - Netherlands. Rioting on a daily basis, in the past few nights alone we've seen the largest scale unrest in Holland since WW2. Its not going to get any better. These poor bastards have also had their referendums overturned in the past. A ticking time bomb at the moment if these absurd, totalitarian curfews continue. Again, big concern over the vaccine calamity. - Austria. The only surprise here is they haven't left yet. Ranked the third most eurosceptic population in the world for a reason. I could go on with anti EU sentiment in the likes of Poland, Hungary etc. To top it off they've just signed and celebrated a new deal with a regime that is operating Nazi esc concentration camps, rapes women and children and regularly conducts organ harvesting across the Uyghur Muslim population. The EU is crumbling in front of our very eyes. It's done. Finished. ☺️
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 26, 2021 19:55:07 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 19:59:31 GMT
Holy fuck! 😂 Right on cue with my above post. This EU chaos just gets better. Admittedly I wish all my brothers in the EU the very best and of course safety above all, but you have to admit, it's getting kind of amusing? You can just imagine the fury on a hardcore remoaners face right now.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 20:03:37 GMT
Do you guys remember that loser who used to hang out outside parliament every day draped in an EU flag? 😂
Wonder what that useless dope is saying right now.
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Post by 4372 on Jan 26, 2021 20:07:39 GMT
I think most people over 40, with a passing interest in politics, would acknowledge that Italy has changed it's governments about once a week for the last fifty years.
Not entirely sure why it is good news that a vaccine trial has ended in failure.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 20:12:47 GMT
I think most people over 40, with a passing interest in politics, would acknowledge that Italy has changed it's governments about once a week for the last fifty years. Not entirely sure why it is good news that a vaccine trial has ended in failure. Oh don't get all lovey dovey on us. If the EU was making us look silly don't pretend you wouldn't be making the most of it 😉 We've had 4 years of remoaners telling us how fucked we'd be after leaving Europe. We were told we'd all get super gonorrhea and medicine shortages would be the norm. We were told the pound would fall of a cliff, that the Lib Dems and Labour would overthrow the biggest democratic vote in British history, that we'd end up isolated from the rest of the world. It was all lies, we knew they were lies and its becoming more obvious by the day that the UK will be a hugely successful nation outside of the boys (and gals) in Brussels ☺️ Love Europe. Hate the EU.
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Post by 4372 on Jan 26, 2021 20:15:24 GMT
66. Italy has had sixty-six governments since WW2. One government every 13 months. It's also the bus route between Birmingham and Sutton, via Nechells and Star City.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jan 26, 2021 20:32:55 GMT
Holy fuck! 😂 Right on cue with my above post. This EU chaos just gets better. Admittedly I wish all my brothers in the EU the very best and of course safety above all, but you have to admit, it's getting kind of amusing? You can just imagine the fury on a hardcore remoaners face right now. I'm massively interested in knowing how Conte's resignation can be related to Brexit, Italy leaving the EU or the disintegration of the EU.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 26, 2021 20:33:22 GMT
I think most people over 40, with a passing interest in politics, would acknowledge that Italy has changed it's governments about once a week for the last fifty years. Not entirely sure why it is good news that a vaccine trial has ended in failure. Oh don't get all lovey dovey on us. If the EU was making us look silly don't pretend you wouldn't be making the most of it 😉 We've had 4 years of remoaners telling us how fucked we'd be after leaving Europe. We were told we'd all get super gonorrhea and medicine shortages would be the norm. We were told the pound would fall of a cliff, that the Lib Dems and Labour would overthrow the biggest democratic vote in British history, that we'd end up isolated from the rest of the world. It was all lies, we knew they were lies and its becoming more obvious by the day that the UK will be a hugely successful nation outside of the boys (and gals) in Brussels ☺️ Love Europe. Hate the EU. Jeez you're getting yourself into a right lather aren't you? We've left. You're lke some mid life crisis divorcee who's got his divorce, got his batchealor pad got his motorbike and his tattoo but keeps obsessing about his ex wife. Because the only thing that really makes him happy is the thought that she might not be.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 20:35:52 GMT
Oh don't get all lovey dovey on us. If the EU was making us look silly don't pretend you wouldn't be making the most of it 😉 We've had 4 years of remoaners telling us how fucked we'd be after leaving Europe. We were told we'd all get super gonorrhea and medicine shortages would be the norm. We were told the pound would fall of a cliff, that the Lib Dems and Labour would overthrow the biggest democratic vote in British history, that we'd end up isolated from the rest of the world. It was all lies, we knew they were lies and its becoming more obvious by the day that the UK will be a hugely successful nation outside of the boys (and gals) in Brussels ☺️ Love Europe. Hate the EU. Jeez you're getting yourself into a right lather aren't you? We've left. You're lke some mid life crisis divorcee who's got his divorce, got his batchealor pad got his motorbike and his tattoo but keeps obsessing about his ex wife. Because the only thing that really makes him happy is the thought that she might not be. Haha! Love it. You've got to admit though mate, leaving the EU is pretty awesome? 😉
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 20:38:16 GMT
Holy fuck! 😂 Right on cue with my above post. This EU chaos just gets better. Admittedly I wish all my brothers in the EU the very best and of course safety above all, but you have to admit, it's getting kind of amusing? You can just imagine the fury on a hardcore remoaners face right now. I'm massively interested in knowing how Conte's resignation can be related to Brexit, Italy leaving the EU or the disintegration of the EU. It isn't directly in fairness but it just adds to the hysterical chaos running through Europe. Be fascinating to see what happens out there. Angry public sentiment, huge anger and frustration at where things are going could lead to a strange new government?
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Post by questionable on Jan 26, 2021 20:40:06 GMT
I think most people over 40, with a passing interest in politics, would acknowledge that Italy has changed it's governments about once a week for the last fifty years. Not entirely sure why it is good news that a vaccine trial has ended in failure. Oh don't get all lovey dovey on us. If the EU was making us look silly don't pretend you wouldn't be making the most of it 😉 We've had 4 years of remoaners telling us how fucked we'd be after leaving Europe. We were told we'd all get super gonorrhea and medicine shortages would be the norm. We were told the pound would fall of a cliff, that the Lib Dems and Labour would overthrow the biggest democratic vote in British history, that we'd end up isolated from the rest of the world. It was all lies, we knew they were lies and its becoming more obvious by the day that the UK will be a hugely successful nation outside of the boys (and gals) in Brussels ☺️ Love Europe. Hate the EU. Get Stoke back in European Cup games and we’d all be happy
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