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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 24, 2021 9:42:22 GMT
When are the uplands being sunlit?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 24, 2021 9:53:21 GMT
No. Have you been sacked from your job and seen it handed to a Turk yet? Amazingly I'm still in a job given the current climate. But I suspect when Dishi Rishi stops postponing the biggest economical catastrophe on record due to lockdowns, we are all fucked 😊 I doubt it very much.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jan 24, 2021 9:53:38 GMT
Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told by government's Dept for International Trade. Mental! Think we'll find this will be a nothing story by the anti Brexit hate fueled Guardian. They despise Brexit and they despise Brexiteers even more. The Guardian - the paper for the white, snobby, Liberal, middle class masses driven by identity politics at every opportunity. So here's the New York Times talkign about the impact on the chemical industry. www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/business/brexit-chemical-industry-uk.htmland there's still just time to check into BBC North West to see why the Cheshire Cheese Company has stopped exporting to the EU and will move an investment to France. twitter.com/1CheshireCheese
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 24, 2021 9:55:45 GMT
Think we'll find this will be a nothing story by the anti Brexit hate fueled Guardian. They despise Brexit and they despise Brexiteers even more. The Guardian - the paper for the white, snobby, Liberal, middle class masses driven by identity politics at every opportunity. So here's the New York Times talkign about the impact on the chemical industry. www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/business/brexit-chemical-industry-uk.htmland there's still just time to check into BBC North West to see why the Cheshire Cheese Company has stopped exporting to the EU and will move an investment to France. twitter.com/1CheshireCheeseAh, but those stories are from the anti Brexit hate fueled NY Times. They despise Brexit and they despise Brexiteers even more. And twitter? - the social medium for the white, snobby, Liberal, middle class masses driven by identity politics at every opportunity. Etc.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 9:57:34 GMT
Think we'll find this will be a nothing story by the anti Brexit hate fueled Guardian. They despise Brexit and they despise Brexiteers even more. The Guardian - the paper for the white, snobby, Liberal, middle class masses driven by identity politics at every opportunity. So here's the New York Times talkign about the impact on the chemical industry. www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/business/brexit-chemical-industry-uk.htmland there's still just time to check into BBC North West to see why the Cheshire Cheese Company has stopped exporting to the EU and will move an investment to France. twitter.com/1CheshireCheeseBrexit is proving a huge success and you know it - its proving a lot more successful than you thought/hoped isn't it?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 24, 2021 10:04:10 GMT
Brexit is proving a huge success and you know it - its proving a lot more successful than you thought/hoped isn't it? This has to be taking the piss! Even you don't think that! Other than this obvious wind up, there isn't a Brexiteer on here who thinks anything other than, at best, we need to wait years to let all the current problems subside to see if Brexit has been beneficial or not!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 10:06:14 GMT
Brexit is proving a huge success and you know it - its proving a lot more successful than you thought/hoped isn't it? This has to be taking the piss! Even you don't think that! How did you take to the Nissan news? Must have been a huge blow to your anti Brexit ideology. That was right up there as number 2 story in the list of anti Brexit propaganda. "Sunderland will go under". It doesn't beat "we'll all get super gonorrhea" but it's right up there 😂
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jan 24, 2021 10:10:11 GMT
Brexit is proving a huge success and you know it - its proving a lot more successful than you thought/hoped isn't it? If you count the above as a huge success then well done Brexit. I don't count the above as successes- the fact that Nissan is going to make batteries in Sunderland as a direct consequence of Brexit is just about the only worthwhile 'gain' I've seen so far, whereas the issues , be they short-term teething problems or the long-term changes built-in to the deal , are multiple.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 24, 2021 10:19:29 GMT
This has to be taking the piss! Even you don't think that! How did you take to the Nissan news? Must have been a huge blow to your anti Brexit ideology. That was right up there as number 2 story in the list of anti Brexit propaganda. "Sunderland will go under". It doesn't beat "we'll all get super gonorrhea" but it's right up there 😂 You can refer back to my previous post on the subject if you like - to quote: "some good news at last". Car company which was manufacturing in UK before Brexit opts to keep manufacturing in UK after Brexit, wahey! I seem to remember them saying they'd probably have to leave in the event of a no deal, so the fact that they're staying in the event of a deal is not surprising! I see the CEO also said there might be a Brexit boost for Nissan manufacturing too - I wonder if he's got his eye on the government's intention to do away with workers' rights in the bonfire of regulation that is coming...still, as long as you don't work there, that'll be ok, right?! Btw, I'd love to see where you got this "we'll all get super gonorrhea" from...!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 24, 2021 10:33:32 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 24, 2021 10:48:36 GMT
Brexit is proving a huge success and you know it - its proving a lot more successful than you thought/hoped isn't it? Fuck me. I know you're finding lockdown stressful but do try to stay off the sauce until at least lunchtime.😁
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Post by muggleton on Jan 24, 2021 11:18:14 GMT
Ordinary guys getting on with life will naturally compare what we have now to what went before. They'll adapt as best they can (my fisherman mate has rerouted via Dublin from NI so he doesn't have to contend with the shitstorm in GB), but they'll obviously have a view about whether life has got easier or harder. Criticising Brexit is politically toxic at the minute so Labour have gone very quiet on it, but that will change when public opinion does. Johnson's deal falls far short of the promises made in the referendum and his own bluster since, and there are real world implications of this. It'll be grimly fascinating watching the fallout as these kick-in. As I say we have only just left after 40 years and it's difficult to make comparisons as we don't know where we'd be in 5 years time within the EU. Obviously it is hopefully a period of change. The only real promise that was possible was to leave the EU, that was the question. Yeah but in the real world people don't wait 5 years to have an opinion on whether life is getting easier or harder. My mate faces increased costs and complexity he didn't have last month, and has had to reroute his exports over night. This has reduced his competitiveness, but he's a big enough concern to survive for now. You won't get him to talk about anything else but the negative effect of Brexit, until something positive comes out of it for him. Its currently unclear if there will be any plus side for him.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 24, 2021 12:44:55 GMT
As I say we have only just left after 40 years and it's difficult to make comparisons as we don't know where we'd be in 5 years time within the EU. Obviously it is hopefully a period of change. The only real promise that was possible was to leave the EU, that was the question. Yeah but in the real world people don't wait 5 years to have an opinion on whether life is getting easier or harder. My mate faces increased costs and complexity he didn't have last month, and has had to reroute his exports over night. This has reduced his competitiveness, but he's a big enough concern to survive for now. You won't get him to talk about anything else but the negative effect of Brexit, until something positive comes out of it for him. Its currently unclear if there will be any plus side for him. I can understand that Muggleton. But we are still in the process of change, it will take time. Your friends( and others) predicament does want sorting out. The issue of who governs the country is very much the real world. the real world. . We still have the challenge of getting UK politicians in who have the stature to fight our corner. When you are making your comparison about how the country is doing/ in or out of the EU.....How do you think the country has done in the past 10 years inside the EU compared to how it would have done outside?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 24, 2021 13:39:31 GMT
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Post by muggleton on Jan 24, 2021 15:20:32 GMT
Yeah but in the real world people don't wait 5 years to have an opinion on whether life is getting easier or harder. My mate faces increased costs and complexity he didn't have last month, and has had to reroute his exports over night. This has reduced his competitiveness, but he's a big enough concern to survive for now. You won't get him to talk about anything else but the negative effect of Brexit, until something positive comes out of it for him. Its currently unclear if there will be any plus side for him. I can understand that Muggleton. But we are still in the process of change, it will take time. Your friends( and others) predicament does want sorting out. The issue of who governs the country is very much the real world. the real world. . We still have the challenge of getting UK politicians in who have the stature to fight our corner. When you are making your comparison about how the country is doing/ in or out of the EU.....How do you think the country has done in the past 10 years inside the EU compared to how it would have done outside? I think Brexit puts the UK at a competitive disadvantage, and the impact of this over a decade would have been significant. The problems faced by my friend can't be 'fixed', as they're the logical consequence of erecting non-tarriff barriers with the EU. A feature of the new system, rather than a bug. He's OK as he has a direct route to the EU via Rep of Ireland, but it was previously cheaper to export via Scotland. So his business is absorbing the extra cost, while his GB counterparts are screwed completely. It also routes economic activity away from GB permanently, so the likes of Holyhead and Fishguard will take a hit. Had Brexit happened 10 years ago, Scotland is likely to have left the union in 2014, with Northern Ireland's position also looking precarious. Whether this is 'better' or not depends on your perspective. The growth in English nationalism requires a reevaluation of the union to see if its worth saving in its current form. The measures needed to shore up support for the union are likely to be unpalatable to English voters, so it may be the case that the union has run its course (and would already be gone had your scenario of Brexit a decade ago happened). From my pov there's no good time to Brexit, and 10 years ago in the depths of austerity would've been a particularly bad time to do it. But assuming we ended up with the same deal we eventually got, the decade since would likely have panned out as I think the coming decade will. UK service sector will be the big loser from loss of equivalence. For a predominantly service based economy this sort of hit can't easily be made up elsewhere, so the economic hit would be significant.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 24, 2021 15:48:24 GMT
I can understand that Muggleton. But we are still in the process of change, it will take time. Your friends( and others) predicament does want sorting out. The issue of who governs the country is very much the real world. the real world. . We still have the challenge of getting UK politicians in who have the stature to fight our corner. When you are making your comparison about how the country is doing/ in or out of the EU.....How do you think the country has done in the past 10 years inside the EU compared to how it would have done outside? I think Brexit puts the UK at a competitive disadvantage, and the impact of this over a decade would have been significant. The problems faced by my friend can't be 'fixed', as they're the logical consequence of erecting non-tarriff barriers with the EU. A feature of the new system, rather than a bug. He's OK as he has a direct route to the EU via Rep of Ireland, but it was previously cheaper to export via Scotland. So his business is absorbing the extra cost, while his GB counterparts are screwed completely. It also routes economic activity away from GB permanently, so the likes of Holyhead and Fishguard will take a hit. Had Brexit happened 10 years ago, Scotland is likely to have left the union in 2014, with Northern Ireland's position also looking precarious. Whether this is 'better' or not depends on your perspective. The growth in English nationalism requires a reevaluation of the union to see if its worth saving in its current form. The measures needed to shore up support for the union are likely to be unpalatable to English voters, so it may be the case that the union has run its course (and would already be gone had your scenario of Brexit a decade ago happened). From my pov there's no good time to Brexit, and 10 years ago in the depths of austerity would've been a particularly bad time to do it. But assuming we ended up with the same deal we eventually got, the decade since would likely have panned out as I think the coming decade will. UK service sector will be the big loser from loss of equivalence. For a predominantly service based economy this sort of hit can't easily be made up elsewhere, so the economic hit would be significant. I don't think that you could claim that our fishing industry has fared very well since we have been in the EU. It has been a story of decline, whether that is due to the selling of quotas, it has occurred whilst in the EU...and we are an island. The Dutch and French seem to have done ok though, don't they. Anyone who takes an interest in EU politics will know that the CAP exists simply to support the French farmers....subdidised by our tax payers. Funnily enough this seems to have gone unnoticed as a major issue until Brexit....we now want to talk about fishing, fishing waters sustainability, fishing rights. The common industrial policy favours the Germans and secondly mainland Europe. Brexit is only the beginning , not particularly a solution to anything, its "success" will depend upon the degree to which our politicians take advantage and act in our interests. I don't want ANY of our industry/ services/ agriculture to suffer, quite the opposite....it is up to our politicians to support those who can and have suffered and to argue and assert our case( that is something our politicians have not been used to and unfortunately, in my opinion, it will not be until the next general election that they might begin to recognise their responsibility and power...the EU administers ARE USED to making decisions...we have a lot of catching up to do). We are only at the beginning. Personally I can see many battles ahead. And I'd would add Muggleton that we both like to think of ourselves as pragmatists and in the real world....we have left the EU, there is little point in looking back and saying it could have been better, it should not have happened.....the issue now is what we do next.
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 25, 2021 6:51:19 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 25, 2021 8:04:44 GMT
Another rag of a paper must be true.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 25, 2021 9:48:36 GMT
The UK has left the custom's union of the EU. That means the UK will be faced with all the barriers to free trade that the EU has established to protect the single market of the EU. There are obviously going to be issues with taxes, forms , etc. many of which could be overcome by setting up an office in the EU. The EU Customs Union imposes more than 13,000 tariffs on imported goods. Margaret Thatcher warned the EU in her Bruges speech in 1988 that it should not be inward looking on free trade and look to the rest of the world. The EU largely ignored her until relatively recently because the EU is driven by the commercial interest of large businesses. 92% of UK companies do not trade with the EU, but 100% of UK regulations have been determined in Brussels, which we are now free to change. Most of our exports are to non EU countries, largely under WTO regulations, but the government is working on trade agreements with many countries. It will take time to adjust and the EU tried to stop the UK even starting negotiations with countries till we have left. Make no mistake the EU, particularly Germany, is extremely worried about a British "Singapore" across the other side of the English Channel. We are now in a world market free from EU restrictions on imports and CAP which result in EU consumers paying an average of 17% above world prices on food. There are clearly advantages in that for the EU, such as walking into any supermarket at any time and buying any produce you want. Meanwhile some people starve in the third world. The UK can now open trade with African countries to a far greater degree. All this is going to take time though. Current negotiations with Australia and Ghana for example are going slowly because they are driving a hard bargain and have agreements with other countries they don't want to compromise. People are asking what is the upside from leaving the EU. Well the first thing is there are not the huge downsides that Remainers kept telling us under project fear. They said if we voted to leave there would be an immediate contraction in the growth rate, there wasn't. They said there would be increased unemployment there wasn't; unemployment continued to drop to the lowest levels for 40 years until the pandemic. The pound is still healthy despite both the pandemic and Brexit and worth more than it did in 2015. www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/25/project-fear-has-completely-collapsed/I am not pretending some people will not lose out from Brexit, which is getting widely broadcast, but when people flag up the difficulties some businesses are having selling into the EU, they forget there are two sides to the coin. www.cityam.com/over-1000-eu-financial-firms-planning-to-open-uk-offices-after-brexit/
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 25, 2021 10:30:38 GMT
I think Brexit puts the UK at a competitive disadvantage, and the impact of this over a decade would have been significant. The problems faced by my friend can't be 'fixed', as they're the logical consequence of erecting non-tarriff barriers with the EU. A feature of the new system, rather than a bug. He's OK as he has a direct route to the EU via Rep of Ireland, but it was previously cheaper to export via Scotland. So his business is absorbing the extra cost, while his GB counterparts are screwed completely. It also routes economic activity away from GB permanently, so the likes of Holyhead and Fishguard will take a hit. Had Brexit happened 10 years ago, Scotland is likely to have left the union in 2014, with Northern Ireland's position also looking precarious. Whether this is 'better' or not depends on your perspective. The growth in English nationalism requires a reevaluation of the union to see if its worth saving in its current form. The measures needed to shore up support for the union are likely to be unpalatable to English voters, so it may be the case that the union has run its course (and would already be gone had your scenario of Brexit a decade ago happened). From my pov there's no good time to Brexit, and 10 years ago in the depths of austerity would've been a particularly bad time to do it. But assuming we ended up with the same deal we eventually got, the decade since would likely have panned out as I think the coming decade will. UK service sector will be the big loser from loss of equivalence. For a predominantly service based economy this sort of hit can't easily be made up elsewhere, so the economic hit would be significant. I don't think that you could claim that our fishing industry has fared very well since we have been in the EU. It has been a story of decline, whether that is due to the selling of quotas, it has occurred whilst in the EU...and we are an island. The Dutch and French seem to have done ok though, don't they. Anyone who takes an interest in EU politics will know that the CAP exists simply to support the French farmers....subdidised by our tax payers. Funnily enough this seems to have gone unnoticed as a major issue until Brexit....we now want to talk about fishing, fishing waters sustainability, fishing rights. The common industrial policy favours the Germans and secondly mainland Europe. Brexit is only the beginning , not particularly a solution to anything, its "success" will depend upon the degree to which our politicians take advantage and act in our interests. I don't want ANY of our industry/ services/ agriculture to suffer, quite the opposite....it is up to our politicians to support those who can and have suffered and to argue and assert our case( that is something our politicians have not been used to and unfortunately, in my opinion, it will not be until the next general election that they might begin to recognise their responsibility and power...the EU administers ARE USED to making decisions...we have a lot of catching up to do). We are only at the beginning. Personally I can see many battles ahead. And I'd would add Muggleton that we both like to think of ourselves as pragmatists and in the real world....we have left the EU, there is little point in looking back and saying it could have been better, it should not have happened.....the issue now is what we do next. Manage as best we can the fact that the country is going to be worse off in many ways is the only thing left to do....does that mean no-one should ever mention the B word again?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 25, 2021 10:51:41 GMT
I don't think that you could claim that our fishing industry has fared very well since we have been in the EU. It has been a story of decline, whether that is due to the selling of quotas, it has occurred whilst in the EU...and we are an island. The Dutch and French seem to have done ok though, don't they. Anyone who takes an interest in EU politics will know that the CAP exists simply to support the French farmers....subdidised by our tax payers. Funnily enough this seems to have gone unnoticed as a major issue until Brexit....we now want to talk about fishing, fishing waters sustainability, fishing rights. The common industrial policy favours the Germans and secondly mainland Europe. Brexit is only the beginning , not particularly a solution to anything, its "success" will depend upon the degree to which our politicians take advantage and act in our interests. I don't want ANY of our industry/ services/ agriculture to suffer, quite the opposite....it is up to our politicians to support those who can and have suffered and to argue and assert our case( that is something our politicians have not been used to and unfortunately, in my opinion, it will not be until the next general election that they might begin to recognise their responsibility and power...the EU administers ARE USED to making decisions...we have a lot of catching up to do). We are only at the beginning. Personally I can see many battles ahead. And I'd would add Muggleton that we both like to think of ourselves as pragmatists and in the real world....we have left the EU, there is little point in looking back and saying it could have been better, it should not have happened.....the issue now is what we do next. Manage as best we can the fact that the country is going to be worse off in many ways is the only thing left to do....does that mean no-one should ever mention the B word again? In your opinion. Are you hoping that the country is worse off? No certainly not Red, you can mention Brexit everyday for the rest of your life if you want, it's nothing to do with me what anyone does. We can check minute by minute how things are going and make a comparison on how things might have been, in our imagination. Personally, I intend to spend much less time on this particular thread.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 25, 2021 13:00:29 GMT
Manage as best we can the fact that the country is going to be worse off in many ways is the only thing left to do....does that mean no-one should ever mention the B word again? In your opinion. Are you hoping that the country is worse off? No certainly not Red, you can mention Brexit everyday for the rest of your life if you want, it's nothing to do with me what anyone does. We can check minute by minute how things are going and make a comparison on how things might have been, in our imagination. Personally, I intend to spend much less time on this particular thread. That's excellent news, all round
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Post by muggleton on Jan 25, 2021 13:36:49 GMT
I think Brexit puts the UK at a competitive disadvantage, and the impact of this over a decade would have been significant. The problems faced by my friend can't be 'fixed', as they're the logical consequence of erecting non-tarriff barriers with the EU. A feature of the new system, rather than a bug. He's OK as he has a direct route to the EU via Rep of Ireland, but it was previously cheaper to export via Scotland. So his business is absorbing the extra cost, while his GB counterparts are screwed completely. It also routes economic activity away from GB permanently, so the likes of Holyhead and Fishguard will take a hit. Had Brexit happened 10 years ago, Scotland is likely to have left the union in 2014, with Northern Ireland's position also looking precarious. Whether this is 'better' or not depends on your perspective. The growth in English nationalism requires a reevaluation of the union to see if its worth saving in its current form. The measures needed to shore up support for the union are likely to be unpalatable to English voters, so it may be the case that the union has run its course (and would already be gone had your scenario of Brexit a decade ago happened). From my pov there's no good time to Brexit, and 10 years ago in the depths of austerity would've been a particularly bad time to do it. But assuming we ended up with the same deal we eventually got, the decade since would likely have panned out as I think the coming decade will. UK service sector will be the big loser from loss of equivalence. For a predominantly service based economy this sort of hit can't easily be made up elsewhere, so the economic hit would be significant. I don't think that you could claim that our fishing industry has fared very well since we have been in the EU. It has been a story of decline, whether that is due to the selling of quotas, it has occurred whilst in the EU...and we are an island. The Dutch and French seem to have done ok though, don't they. Anyone who takes an interest in EU politics will know that the CAP exists simply to support the French farmers....subdidised by our tax payers. Funnily enough this seems to have gone unnoticed as a major issue until Brexit....we now want to talk about fishing, fishing waters sustainability, fishing rights. The common industrial policy favours the Germans and secondly mainland Europe. Brexit is only the beginning , not particularly a solution to anything, its "success" will depend upon the degree to which our politicians take advantage and act in our interests. I don't want ANY of our industry/ services/ agriculture to suffer, quite the opposite....it is up to our politicians to support those who can and have suffered and to argue and assert our case( that is something our politicians have not been used to and unfortunately, in my opinion, it will not be until the next general election that they might begin to recognise their responsibility and power...the EU administers ARE USED to making decisions...we have a lot of catching up to do). We are only at the beginning. Personally I can see many battles ahead. And I'd would add Muggleton that we both like to think of ourselves as pragmatists and in the real world....we have left the EU, there is little point in looking back and saying it could have been better, it should not have happened.....the issue now is what we do next. I've loads of issues with the CAP in particular so some of the few benefits of Brexit from my lay in being outside it. I say benefits, though leaving the CAP will leave many farms unviable. I'd be less sanguine about it if I was one of these farmers. While leaving the EU was a binary choice, our future relationship wasn't, amd Johnson has negotiated a really poor deal with massive non-tariff barriers for many sectors. That he lied to our faces about these when announcing his deal, as he did during and since the Leave campaign, doesn't inspire confidence in the rest of the horrors that may lie within. Where the UK has aligned more closely to the EU (eg. automotive industry) it is celebrating Brexit 'wins', while areas it has chosen the freedom to diverge are seeing huge barriers to trade. So the comparison isn't merely with continued EU membership, but with other potential relationships the UK could realistically have negotiated. So far the areas of closer alignment are looking healthier. The deal Johnson got is so poor (and so detached from his bluster right up to the very end), that it could've been agreed on the EU side with months to spare for transition. So the implications of that deal will be compared to the other options on the table. I spend my time between S-o-T and NI, and the impacts on NI have been much more immediate. Hauliers find they can transport goods to GB easily enough, but are coming back empty due to the new restructions on GB-NI trade, and supply chains recalibrating to EU-Ire instead. This has created immediate winners and losers overnight for both individuals and businesses. Eg. taking a pet on holiday to Scotland, which can easily be seen from the Co Antrim coast now requires a trip to the vet, and anyone moving house from GB to NI must make a customs declaration for their own furniture. You don't have to be the staunchest unionist to feel this is a major imposition on UK citizens, esp as it was specifically ruled out by the Leave campaign. So pragmatists in the real world will look at what is and isn't working well post Brexit. If that shows that sectors closely aligned to the EU are doing beter than those with divergence then Brexut itself, and Johnson's deal in particular, won't be seen in a great light.
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Post by 4372 on Jan 25, 2021 14:17:50 GMT
I am not pretending some people will not lose out from Brexit.......
Can I suggest that you apologise to the generations of young people who at a stroke have been denied opportunities of work, travel, adventure and lifestyle that you yourself have been able to take advantage of.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 25, 2021 15:49:19 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 25, 2021 16:50:37 GMT
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Post by muggleton on Jan 25, 2021 16:58:30 GMT
A UK company investing in the EU post Brexit is a reminder that all of this is far more complicated and multi-faceted than the footballification of the debate would suggest. This could mean any numbrt of things.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 25, 2021 19:00:43 GMT
A UK company investing in the EU post Brexit is a reminder that all of this is far more complicated and multi-faceted than the footballification of the debate would suggest. This could mean any numbrt of things. You are quite right and of course it may never happen. All I am pointing out is that a British company making a bid for a German steel company is completely "out of left field", and totally at odds with what has happened in the UK steel industry since the upheavals of the late 70s when a string of UK steelworks were closed, the steel strike of 1980, the 80s under Thatcher when McGregor was drafted in from America to "sort out" the industry, privatisation, and subsequent steady decline with a major works closed each decade. It is quite possible Liberty intend to acquire a modern German steelworks, move production from the UK and close an old British works, which I have witnessed in the refractory industry. Personally I do not get too upset at the decline of heavy industry as I believe ultimately it will all move to the third world, due to employment and energy costs. What has upset me it seeing UK lose its industry while the other countries like France, Germany, Italy, etc cheat by not following competition rules, subsidising, and breaking legislation. The UK is right in the long run to concentrate on high tech. industry, financial services, etc.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 26, 2021 11:51:42 GMT
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Post by muggleton on Jan 26, 2021 13:06:56 GMT
A UK company investing in the EU post Brexit is a reminder that all of this is far more complicated and multi-faceted than the footballification of the debate would suggest. This could mean any numbrt of things. You are quite right and of course it may never happen. All I am pointing out is that a British company making a bid for a German steel company is completely "out of left field", and totally at odds with what has happened in the UK steel industry since the upheavals of the late 70s when a string of UK steelworks were closed, the steel strike of 1980, the 80s under Thatcher when McGregor was drafted in from America to "sort out" the industry, privatisation, and subsequent steady decline with a major works closed each decade. It is quite possible Liberty intend to acquire a modern German steelworks, move production from the UK and close an old British works, which I have witnessed in the refractory industry. Personally I do not get too upset at the decline of heavy industry as I believe ultimately it will all move to the third world, due to employment and energy costs. What has upset me it seeing UK lose its industry while the other countries like France, Germany, Italy, etc cheat by not following competition rules, subsidising, and breaking legislation. The UK is right in the long run to concentrate on high tech. industry, financial services, etc. I'll now to your better knowledge on the steel industry, but the damage from Brexit to the UK service sector is the economic impact I'm most concerned about. It was sacrificed on the altar of Freedom of Movement, and I think that'll come to be seen as a pretty significant error.
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