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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 8, 2021 16:56:43 GMT
Bollocks, don't remember anyone saying Armageddon other than yourself a few days ago to try to make a point about ports running smoothly a few days after New Year, when traffic was nothing like normal And now there are obvious problems, they're just just minor teething problems! So you have no opinion on bringing back manufacturing to this country How do you explain some companies seem to have no problem with these forms yet others do Strawman. We were talking about your cake and eat it approach to going on about an absence of "Armageddon" one minute because the ports were running smoothly immediately after New Year on low business days, then when they don't on normal business days it's just "minor teething problems"! Telegraph reporting on rotting fish on Cornwall harbours because of the additional red tape required to sell to Europe...oops. But to answer your last question - probably because some know what they're doing, some don't, government advice is non-existent and it's all a massively bureaucratic mess of red tape, something which was used as a great reason for leaving the EU a few years back! A good reason for keeping an eye on all the promises that were made and seeing if they stack up...
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Post by salopstick on Jan 8, 2021 17:42:36 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 8, 2021 17:45:38 GMT
Bloody hell, now it has gone too far!!
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 8, 2021 18:56:33 GMT
They taste bad enough without red tape on them shit only gets real if tbose yum yum doughnuts thingies or the m&s beef and onion crisps get affected.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 8, 2021 18:58:14 GMT
Just watching the one o’clock news I’m starting to worry we haven’t really left Ports are running smoothly Stock markets up nearly three percent The pound around the highest against the dollar in two years Where is the promised Armageddon I kept hearing about I’m beginning to feel cheated There you go, waga, looks like we have left after all... www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55583244There are going to be scores of issues with new rules, red tape, etc. and they will continue till people knuckle down accept we have left the EU and get on with things. Some might not come to light for quite some time. I quoted the example of the sugar crisis in the 70s after we joined the EEC and tariffs and quotas were imposed on West Indian sugar, resulting in them switching their exports to the more lucrative North American market. Some people conveniently choose to forget most of our exports are to non EU countries and most of them involve customs and red tape. I've no doubt we will have more problems but they are minor issues compared with the principles of being free from Brussels rule and the ECOJ. I confidently expect the UK the EU will continue to work on agreements to our mutual benefit now that the penny has dropped that we have left. The EU are desperate that we keep buying from them and maintain British tourism, holiday homes, etc. Meanwhile the UK can concentrate on growing our economy in the much bigger world market with tailor made deals that match our needs and not just Germany and France. 2021 is the "coming of age" for the UK in the world market place this millennium. I can't wait for the announcement of a trade deal with Australia, on which people are working hard. This link is for Brexiteers to enjoy: briefingsforbritain.co.uk/the-eu-uk-trade-deal-boris-achieves-the-impossible/
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Post by salopstick on Jan 8, 2021 19:20:26 GMT
There are going to be scores of issues with new rules, red tape, etc. and they will continue till people knuckle down accept we have left the EU and get on with things. Some might not come to light for quite some time. I quoted the example of the sugar crisis in the 70s after we joined the EEC and tariffs and quotas were imposed on West Indian sugar, resulting in them switching their exports to the more lucrative North American market. Some people conveniently choose to forget most of our exports are to non EU countries and most of them involve customs and red tape. I've no doubt we will have more problems but they are minor issues compared with the principles of being free from Brussels rule and the ECOJ. I confidently expect the UK the EU will continue to work on agreements to our mutual benefit now that the penny has dropped that we have left. The EU are desperate that we keep buying from them and maintain British tourism, holiday homes, etc. Meanwhile the UK can concentrate on growing our economy in the much bigger world market with tailor made deals that match our needs and not just Germany and France. 2021 is the "coming of age" for the UK in the world market place this millennium. I can't wait for the announcement of a trade deal with Australia, on which people are working hard. This link is for Brexiteers to enjoy: briefingsforbritain.co.uk/the-eu-uk-trade-deal-boris-achieves-the-impossible/It’s as if we didn’t start trading with Europe until 1973
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 8, 2021 19:42:55 GMT
There are going to be scores of issues with new rules, red tape, etc. and they will continue till people knuckle down accept we have left the EU and get on with things. Some might not come to light for quite some time. I quoted the example of the sugar crisis in the 70s after we joined the EEC and tariffs and quotas were imposed on West Indian sugar, resulting in them switching their exports to the more lucrative North American market. Some people conveniently choose to forget most of our exports are to non EU countries and most of them involve customs and red tape. I've no doubt we will have more problems but they are minor issues compared with the principles of being free from Brussels rule and the ECOJ. I confidently expect the UK the EU will continue to work on agreements to our mutual benefit now that the penny has dropped that we have left. The EU are desperate that we keep buying from them and maintain British tourism, holiday homes, etc. Meanwhile the UK can concentrate on growing our economy in the much bigger world market with tailor made deals that match our needs and not just Germany and France. 2021 is the "coming of age" for the UK in the world market place this millennium. I can't wait for the announcement of a trade deal with Australia, on which people are working hard. This link is for Brexiteers to enjoy: briefingsforbritain.co.uk/the-eu-uk-trade-deal-boris-achieves-the-impossible/😅
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 8, 2021 20:10:55 GMT
I was wondering why some companies had stopped importing goods into the UK and why some people are now being charged VAT and admin fees on cheap items that may well be exempt of VAT. It turns out that Government chose to make any company (and I guess person) that wants to import something into Britain including used items on eBay, to register with HMRC to deal with VAT. So that's any company in the world that wants to export their product to the UK or if you want to buy a product from a company in another country. Yes, really. This article does a better job of explaining things.Am I missing something here or is it a case that the new trade deal is for the benefit of big industries and sod the little guys?
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Post by questionable on Jan 8, 2021 21:38:40 GMT
They taste bad enough without red tape on them shit only gets real if tbose yum yum doughnuts thingies or the m&s beef and onion crisps get affected. Good they’re friggin really expensive, £1.79 ??, .Haribos as good if not better at £1.00
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 8, 2021 21:44:04 GMT
They taste bad enough without red tape on them shit only gets real if tbose yum yum doughnuts thingies or the m&s beef and onion crisps get affected. Good they’re friggin really expensive, £1.79 ??, .Haribos as good if not better at £1.00 I’m not sure about that, I’m quite partial to a pig
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 8, 2021 22:05:06 GMT
I was wondering why some companies had stopped importing goods into the UK and why some people are now being charged VAT and admin fees on cheap items that may well be exempt of VAT. It turns out that Government chose to make any company (and I guess person) that wants to import something into Britain including used items on eBay, to register with HMRC to deal with VAT. So that's any company in the world that wants to export their product to the UK or if you want to buy a product from a company in another country. Yes, really. This article does a better job of explaining things.Am I missing something here or is it a case that the new trade deal is for the benefit of big industries and sod the little guys? You are missing something the importers just pay the purchase price and have no need to register for Vat its the exporter (the seller) who has to charge and collect any vat.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 8, 2021 23:17:17 GMT
I was wondering why some companies had stopped importing goods into the UK and why some people are now being charged VAT and admin fees on cheap items that may well be exempt of VAT. It turns out that Government chose to make any company (and I guess person) that wants to import something into Britain including used items on eBay, to register with HMRC to deal with VAT. So that's any company in the world that wants to export their product to the UK or if you want to buy a product from a company in another country. Yes, really. This article does a better job of explaining things.Am I missing something here or is it a case that the new trade deal is for the benefit of big industries and sod the little guys? You are missing something the importers just pay the purchase price and have no need to register for Vat its the exporter (the seller) who has to charge and collect any vat. Yes but that's the problem, every seller on the planet is expected to register with HMRC if they want to export goods to the UK!
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 9, 2021 0:03:23 GMT
You are missing something the importers just pay the purchase price and have no need to register for Vat its the exporter (the seller) who has to charge and collect any vat. Yes but that's the problem, every seller on the planet is expected to register with HMRC if they want to export goods to the UK! Not if they sell via amazon or ebay they are responsible for accounting for the vat. I dont export but from my experience of my own company, its free to register for vat is all done on line and was zero cost until about 2 years ago when they bought in making tax digital when I had to sign up for some basic accounting software that cost me about £20 per month, put the data in press a button and it sends the vat return off all pretty straight forward.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 9, 2021 0:31:52 GMT
What has happened to some of the UK's confectionary businesses, while the UK was in the EU: Fry's one of the first in the middle of the 19th century. Started in Bristol moved to Somerdale, Keynsham and eventually merged with Cadbury, who were taken over by Kraft and in 2010 closed the factory and moved production to Poland Terry's began in York in 1767. New factory in 1926. Sold to Kraft Foods in 1993, plant closed 2005 and production moved to Belgium, Sweden, Poland, and Slovakia, After some decades as a small company, Rowntrees took off in York in 1881 with a new factory in 1890 at its peak employing 14,000 people. Merged with Mackintosh in 1969. The Swiss company Nestle took over in 1988, despite much opposition. In 1994 the Norwich factory closed with 2,000 redundancies. In September 2006, it was announced that the manufacture of Smarties would be relocated to Hamburg, resulting in 645 job losses at the York factory. Production of Dairy Box was relocated to Spain, and Black Magic to the Czech Republic. The York site is still however one of the world's largest confectionery factories, with c.3,500 employees. Cadbury began in 1824 in Birmingham and has been through a succession of mergers and de-mergers, Kraft acquiring the business in 2010. despite union and government opposition. Kraft split in 2012 and Cadbury is now a subsidiary of Mondelez Inc. Beginning in 2015, Mondelez began closing Cadbury factories in several developed countries including Ireland, Canada, the United States, and New Zealand and shifting production to "advantaged" country locations like China, India, Brazil, and Mexico. The closure of Cadbury factories in centres such as Dublin, Montreal, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Dunedin in New Zealand generated outcries from the local populations. Watch this space! I suggest everyone buys Cadbury (includes Fry's and Bourneville) and Nestle (Kit Kat, Aero, Milkybar and Yorkie) products and not foreign ones. Hopefully the UK government will get its finger out and do trade deals with all the third world cocoa exporters. The EU import tariff on cocoa powder is 3 to 8% depending on country of origin.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 9, 2021 7:13:56 GMT
Yes but that's the problem, every seller on the planet is expected to register with HMRC if they want to export goods to the UK! Not if they sell via amazon or ebay they are responsible for accounting for the vat. I dont export but from my experience of my own company, its free to register for vat is all done on line and was zero cost until about 2 years ago when they bought in making tax digital when I had to sign up for some basic accounting software that cost me about £20 per month, put the data in press a button and it sends the vat return off all pretty straight forward. I've calmed down a but since last night, but correct me if I am wrong it's still the case that an EU business that wishes to sell into the UK, now has to pay to register with HMRC irrespective of the volume of trade it does with the UK. If this is correct (I'm hoping to be told I'm wrong) then small businesses where only a small percentage of their trade goes to the UK, will simply stop selling to the UK. An EU seller is not going to tolerate goods being rejected by UK buyers when UK buyers refuse the items because they suddenly have to pay VAT and admin fees upon receipt.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 9, 2021 11:41:36 GMT
Not if they sell via amazon or ebay they are responsible for accounting for the vat. I dont export but from my experience of my own company, its free to register for vat is all done on line and was zero cost until about 2 years ago when they bought in making tax digital when I had to sign up for some basic accounting software that cost me about £20 per month, put the data in press a button and it sends the vat return off all pretty straight forward. I've calmed down a but since last night, but correct me if I am wrong it's still the case that an EU business that wishes to sell into the UK, now has to pay to register with HMRC irrespective of the volume of trade it does with the UK. If this is correct (I'm hoping to be told I'm wrong) then small businesses where only a small percentage of their trade goes to the UK, will simply stop selling to the UK. An EU seller is not going to tolerate goods being rejected by UK buyers when UK buyers refuse the items because they suddenly have to pay VAT and admin fees upon receipt. I've read a couple of articles which even as an accountant aren't the most easy to understand but than vat is not my speciality none have mentioned having to pay to register for Vat I can only think the byline article refers to either software to send vat returns digitally or they include costs of paying an accountant to prepare uk vat returns. If you sell directly to customers in tbe UK you do have to register for Vat it seems there has been the removal of a previous £70k limit and there was a previous exception for low value goods under £15 which has also been scrapped, there is now an exception that if you ship goods under a value of £135 you pay the vat as uk sales vat rather than uk import vat / customs duty this is presumably to stop delays of goods at borders. The aim is to make the regimes the same for imports from the EU as it is with outside of the EU and I never had any problems from the USA in the days when I would buy cd's could generally buy 2 at a time and not got hit by customs. It also means uk businesses are no longer disadvataged as they have to charge vat regardless of the value on vatable products. So while you may be right some companies may decide its not worth the hassle, your example of uk customers being asked to pay vat and admin fees on delivery should not happen because this should have been charged on sale, I can only presume the instances you have heard of are orders pre 31/12 delivered from 01/01.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 9, 2021 11:54:36 GMT
Not if they sell via amazon or ebay they are responsible for accounting for the vat. I dont export but from my experience of my own company, its free to register for vat is all done on line and was zero cost until about 2 years ago when they bought in making tax digital when I had to sign up for some basic accounting software that cost me about £20 per month, put the data in press a button and it sends the vat return off all pretty straight forward. I've calmed down a but since last night, but correct me if I am wrong it's still the case that an EU business that wishes to sell into the UK, now has to pay to register with HMRC irrespective of the volume of trade it does with the UK. If this is correct (I'm hoping to be told I'm wrong) then small businesses where only a small percentage of their trade goes to the UK, will simply stop selling to the UK. An EU seller is not going to tolerate goods being rejected by UK buyers when UK buyers refuse the items because they suddenly have to pay VAT and admin fees upon receipt. You can't blame the government or Brexiteers, Richie... Michael Gove’s speeches are refreshing. The UK cabinet office minister quotes Gramsci and W.H. Auden. He doesn’t use terms like “zap”, “slightly bonkers” and “squash the sombrero”. He demands to be taken seriously. “Politicians like me,” Mr Gove said last month, “must take responsibility for the effect of their actions and the consequences of their announcements.” It’s an interesting idea, and I wonder what it means in practice. Let’s imagine a group of politicians — call them Vote Leave — promise we can leave the EU and still have “free trade with minimal bureaucracy”. Let’s imagine that, four years later, the government builds a 27-acre lorry park in Kent, for customs checks after the Brexit transition period ends in January. Let’s imagine the government estimates that customs declarations alone will cost companies £7bn a year. That's £135m a week. This is minimal bureaucracy in the same way that Britain has a minimal coronavirus death toll. What was it Mr Gove said? “Politicians like me must take responsibility.” Yet, when asked about Brexit preparations, he replied: “Some of the criticism has come — how can I put this? — there’s an element of Captain Hindsight.” Actually, it was Captain Foresight. Nearly every expert predicted that leaving the single market and the customs union would require regulatory barriers and restrictions on travel. Brexiteers like Mr Gove obfuscated. This week reality could be avoided no longer. The government advised people travelling to the EU to buy insurance, check roaming charges, and see a vet four months in advance if they want to take their pet. It also published a 206-page guide for trading goods. As the UK in a Changing Europe think-tank puts it: “In almost all cases, Brexit will create additional financial or other cost burdens for [manufacturing] companies: tariffs, customs declarations, certification costs, audits to ensure rules of origin compliance, loss of collaboration opportunities in R&D, border delays, EU customers switching to other suppliers, visa costs for EU workers, and so on.” This isn’t Brussels red tape. It’s our own independent, world-beating red tape, which we have chosen to tie ourselves in, like a middle-aged man with a new-found leather fetish. Just months ago, Mr Gove and Boris Johnson were promising no checks on goods between Northern Ireland and Great Britain. Now they admit that there will be checks. Why does the prime minister's Latin never extend to the words mea culpa? Oh well, sovrintee...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 9, 2021 12:06:29 GMT
Ready Steady Go! From today's DT: EU banned neonicotinoid pesticides have been approved for use in the UK. These are known to kill bees. The Pesticides Action Network UK called the decision "infuriating". In 2017, Michael Gove, the then Environment Secretary, welcomed the move to ban these pesticides and promised that "unless the scientific evidence changes, the Government will maintain these increased restrictions post-Brexit". Get ready for lots more of this...still, sovrintee.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2021 12:26:10 GMT
Ready Steady Go! From today's DT: EU banned neonicotinoid pesticides have been approved for use in the UK. These are known to kill bees. The Pesticides Action Network UK called the decision "infuriating". In 2017, Michael Gove, the then Environment Secretary, welcomed the move to ban these pesticides and promised that "unless the scientific evidence changes, the Government will maintain these increased restrictions post-Brexit". Get ready for lots more of this...still, sovrintee. Yep. These charlatans told us that certain things didn't have to be enshrined in law because our standards were already higher. Workers rights next. Join a Union.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 9, 2021 12:48:34 GMT
From today's DT: EU banned neonicotinoid pesticides have been approved for use in the UK. These are known to kill bees. The Pesticides Action Network UK called the decision "infuriating". In 2017, Michael Gove, the then Environment Secretary, welcomed the move to ban these pesticides and promised that "unless the scientific evidence changes, the Government will maintain these increased restrictions post-Brexit". Get ready for lots more of this...still, sovrintee. Yep. These charlatans told us that certain things didn't have to be enshrined in law because our standards were already higher. Workers rights next. Join a Union. Now I agree everyone should join a union
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jan 9, 2021 13:03:20 GMT
What has happened to some of the UK's confectionary businesses, while the UK was in the EU: Fry's one of the first in the middle of the 19th century. Started in Bristol moved to Somerdale, Keynsham and eventually merged with Cadbury, who were taken over by Kraft and in 2010 closed the factory and moved production to Poland Terry's began in York in 1767. New factory in 1926. Sold to Kraft Foods in 1993, plant closed 2005 and production moved to Belgium, Sweden, Poland, and Slovakia, After some decades as a small company, Rowntrees took off in York in 1881 with a new factory in 1890 at its peak employing 14,000 people. Merged with Mackintosh in 1969. The Swiss company Nestle took over in 1988, despite much opposition. In 1994 the Norwich factory closed with 2,000 redundancies. In September 2006, it was announced that the manufacture of Smarties would be relocated to Hamburg, resulting in 645 job losses at the York factory. Production of Dairy Box was relocated to Spain, and Black Magic to the Czech Republic. The York site is still however one of the world's largest confectionery factories, with c.3,500 employees. Cadbury began in 1824 in Birmingham and has been through a succession of mergers and de-mergers, Kraft acquiring the business in 2010. despite union and government opposition. Kraft split in 2012 and Cadbury is now a subsidiary of Mondelez Inc. Beginning in 2015, Mondelez began closing Cadbury factories in several developed countries including Ireland, Canada, the United States, and New Zealand and shifting production to "advantaged" country locations like China, India, Brazil, and Mexico. The closure of Cadbury factories in centres such as Dublin, Montreal, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Dunedin in New Zealand generated outcries from the local populations. Watch this space! I suggest everyone buys Cadbury (includes Fry's and Bourneville) and Nestle (Kit Kat, Aero, Milkybar and Yorkie) products and not foreign ones. Hopefully the UK government will get its finger out and do trade deals with all the third world cocoa exporters. The EU import tariff on cocoa powder is 3 to 8% depending on country of origin. Kraft and Mondelez are USA companies. And Bournville doesn't taste or look the same as it once did
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 9, 2021 13:21:41 GMT
What has happened to some of the UK's confectionary businesses, while the UK was in the EU: Fry's one of the first in the middle of the 19th century. Started in Bristol moved to Somerdale, Keynsham and eventually merged with Cadbury, who were taken over by Kraft and in 2010 closed the factory and moved production to Poland Terry's began in York in 1767. New factory in 1926. Sold to Kraft Foods in 1993, plant closed 2005 and production moved to Belgium, Sweden, Poland, and Slovakia, After some decades as a small company, Rowntrees took off in York in 1881 with a new factory in 1890 at its peak employing 14,000 people. Merged with Mackintosh in 1969. The Swiss company Nestle took over in 1988, despite much opposition. In 1994 the Norwich factory closed with 2,000 redundancies. In September 2006, it was announced that the manufacture of Smarties would be relocated to Hamburg, resulting in 645 job losses at the York factory. Production of Dairy Box was relocated to Spain, and Black Magic to the Czech Republic. The York site is still however one of the world's largest confectionery factories, with c.3,500 employees. Cadbury began in 1824 in Birmingham and has been through a succession of mergers and de-mergers, Kraft acquiring the business in 2010. despite union and government opposition. Kraft split in 2012 and Cadbury is now a subsidiary of Mondelez Inc. Beginning in 2015, Mondelez began closing Cadbury factories in several developed countries including Ireland, Canada, the United States, and New Zealand and shifting production to "advantaged" country locations like China, India, Brazil, and Mexico. The closure of Cadbury factories in centres such as Dublin, Montreal, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Dunedin in New Zealand generated outcries from the local populations. Watch this space! I suggest everyone buys Cadbury (includes Fry's and Bourneville) and Nestle (Kit Kat, Aero, Milkybar and Yorkie) products and not foreign ones. Hopefully the UK government will get its finger out and do trade deals with all the third world cocoa exporters. The EU import tariff on cocoa powder is 3 to 8% depending on country of origin. Kraft and Mondelez are USA companies. And Bournville doesn't taste or look the same as it once did Yes a huge amount of our traditional foods are foreign owned. HP Sauce and Lee & Perrins Worcester sauce went to French Danone, then American Heinz. In 2007, the Aston, Birmingham factory was demolished, and production of HP and Daddies sauce brands was moved to the Netherlands.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jan 9, 2021 18:01:37 GMT
Kraft and Mondelez are USA companies. And Bournville doesn't taste or look the same as it once did Yes a huge amount of our traditional foods are foreign owned. HP Sauce and Lee & Perrins Worcester sauce went to French Danone, then American Heinz. In 2007, the Aston, Birmingham factory was demolished, and production of HP and Daddies sauce brands was moved to the Netherlands. Another USA company
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 10, 2021 8:57:20 GMT
I've calmed down a but since last night, but correct me if I am wrong it's still the case that an EU business that wishes to sell into the UK, now has to pay to register with HMRC irrespective of the volume of trade it does with the UK. If this is correct (I'm hoping to be told I'm wrong) then small businesses where only a small percentage of their trade goes to the UK, will simply stop selling to the UK. An EU seller is not going to tolerate goods being rejected by UK buyers when UK buyers refuse the items because they suddenly have to pay VAT and admin fees upon receipt. You can't blame the government or Brexiteers, Richie... Michael Gove’s speeches are refreshing. The UK cabinet office minister quotes Gramsci and W.H. Auden. He doesn’t use terms like “zap”, “slightly bonkers” and “squash the sombrero”. He demands to be taken seriously. “Politicians like me,” Mr Gove said last month, “must take responsibility for the effect of their actions and the consequences of their announcements.” It’s an interesting idea, and I wonder what it means in practice. Let’s imagine a group of politicians — call them Vote Leave — promise we can leave the EU and still have “free trade with minimal bureaucracy”. Let’s imagine that, four years later, the government builds a 27-acre lorry park in Kent, for customs checks after the Brexit transition period ends in January. Let’s imagine the government estimates that customs declarations alone will cost companies £7bn a year. That's £135m a week. This is minimal bureaucracy in the same way that Britain has a minimal coronavirus death toll. What was it Mr Gove said? “Politicians like me must take responsibility.” Yet, when asked about Brexit preparations, he replied: “Some of the criticism has come — how can I put this? — there’s an element of Captain Hindsight.” Actually, it was Captain Foresight. Nearly every expert predicted that leaving the single market and the customs union would require regulatory barriers and restrictions on travel. Brexiteers like Mr Gove obfuscated. This week reality could be avoided no longer. The government advised people travelling to the EU to buy insurance, check roaming charges, and see a vet four months in advance if they want to take their pet. It also published a 206-page guide for trading goods. As the UK in a Changing Europe think-tank puts it: “In almost all cases, Brexit will create additional financial or other cost burdens for [manufacturing] companies: tariffs, customs declarations, certification costs, audits to ensure rules of origin compliance, loss of collaboration opportunities in R&D, border delays, EU customers switching to other suppliers, visa costs for EU workers, and so on.” This isn’t Brussels red tape. It’s our own independent, world-beating red tape, which we have chosen to tie ourselves in, like a middle-aged man with a new-found leather fetish. Just months ago, Mr Gove and Boris Johnson were promising no checks on goods between Northern Ireland and Great Britain. Now they admit that there will be checks. Why does the prime minister's Latin never extend to the words mea culpa? Oh well, sovrintee... No, our leader told us zero tariffs, zero quotas. When have we ever had a reason to question his word!? www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/10/baffling-brexit-rules-threaten-export-chaos-gove-is-warned
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 10, 2021 9:29:57 GMT
Assuming this is true (this followed a report that it was the EU who rejected it)
Why would any government do this? Again. Less choice, less freedom, more red tape. Its the mantra of these bunch of inward looking twats.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 10, 2021 9:33:37 GMT
From today's DT: EU banned neonicotinoid pesticides have been approved for use in the UK. These are known to kill bees. The Pesticides Action Network UK called the decision "infuriating". In 2017, Michael Gove, the then Environment Secretary, welcomed the move to ban these pesticides and promised that "unless the scientific evidence changes, the Government will maintain these increased restrictions post-Brexit". Get ready for lots more of this...still, sovrintee. Yep. These charlatans told us that certain things didn't have to be enshrined in law because our standards were already higher. Workers rights next. Join a Union. It was a Union that was behind this change.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 10, 2021 9:42:16 GMT
Assuming this is true (this followed a report that it was the EU who rejected it) Why would any government do this? Again. Less choice, less freedom, more red tape. Its the mantra of these bunch of inward looking twats. It is indeed an assumption - and one that should be clarified. But... Even if it is correct, I’d be interested to know how many folk are actually affected. Because they can still travel in line with the (now) standard 90 day twice a year visa which you’d have thought would be enough for most purposes. But maybe not. Maybe Lily Allen, who seems distraught by this news, is planning on spending more than half of 2021 in countries that are members of the EU.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 10, 2021 10:23:20 GMT
Assuming this is true (this followed a report that it was the EU who rejected it) Why would any government do this? Again. Less choice, less freedom, more red tape. Its the mantra of these bunch of inward looking twats. It is indeed an assumption - and one that should be clarified. But... Even if it is correct, I’d be interested to know how many folk are actually affected. Because they can still travel in line with the (now) standard 90 day twice a year visa which you’d have thought would be enough for most purposes. But maybe not. Maybe Lily Allen, who seems distraught by this news, is planning on spending more than half of 2021 in countries that are members of the EU. It's also about bands coming to the UK. If there's extra paperwork and cost, not to mention the fact that they have to show sufficient savings, they just won't bother. Most of these bands both UK ones and European ones, contrary to popular belief aren't earning millions of pounds every year but do bring in millions to the UK economy, massively more than the UK fishing industry I might add. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-musicians-tours-concerts-b1779238.html
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Post by raythesailor on Jan 10, 2021 10:38:45 GMT
The 90 day rule is causing massive disruption and affecting thousands of UK citizens who own second properties and boats etc in Europe.
These people at present can only use their properties for a total of 90 days and then must no re enter Europe for a further 90 days.
We have agreed to allow European citizens to visit the UK for 180 days which is far more sensible and practical. Why the same facility is not available for us to visit Europe is beyond my comprehension.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 10, 2021 10:46:11 GMT
It is indeed an assumption - and one that should be clarified. But... Even if it is correct, I’d be interested to know how many folk are actually affected. Because they can still travel in line with the (now) standard 90 day twice a year visa which you’d have thought would be enough for most purposes. But maybe not. Maybe Lily Allen, who seems distraught by this news, is planning on spending more than half of 2021 in countries that are members of the EU. It's also about bands coming to the UK. If there's extra paperwork and cost, not to mention the fact that they have to show sufficient savings, they just won't bother. Most of these bands both UK ones and European ones, contrary to popular belief aren't earning millions of pounds every year but do bring in millions to the UK economy, massively more than the UK fishing industry I might add. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-musicians-tours-concerts-b1779238.htmlIt’s really hard to make sense of these articles. They are written, it seems to me, with an incredibly jaundiced view of the world. EU bands can tour the UK for 6 months without problem. Only if you intend to spend longer than 6 months do you need to apply for a visa. In other words they can use the new entry rules as can any other visitor for whatever purpose. I’d have thought that would have been in scope for almost every band thinking of touring Britain. So what’s the problem? I’m struggling to see one.
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