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Post by foster on Jan 7, 2021 18:41:48 GMT
Just means the likes of Amazon take over even more. Not to mention job losses. But yeah, fuck those people. Not sure about this Fos, I think many changes may be on the horizon. We do need to rethink global super nationals compared to local/ degrees of local.....an issues for every developed and developing country....to coin a phrase " despite Brexit ", or rather irrespective of Brexit Would be great if they sourced locally produced, but them opting to close rather than looking local speaks volumes imo. It's not like these firms haven't had the time to develop business continuity plans for this kind of situation. They would rather go cheap than source locally. This will only allow non British firms to take over UK markets even easier....and people will still buy shit produced in Asian sweat shops.
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Post by foster on Jan 7, 2021 18:46:22 GMT
Heart bleeds for the fuckers They’ve spent years exploiting the populace of south east Asia to produce cheap and not so cheap to the customer tat Whilst the British clothing industry has been run into the ground If it means that I’ve got to pay a couple of pound more for a T shirt that does less damage to the environment and employs there workers with proper conditions in this country Then it’s a bloody good thing So do you currently pay a couple of pounds more for ethically-sourced fairtrade T-shirts ? I've looked at some of the ethical trading sites and things on there cost a lot more than just a couple of quid. It's like paying full scale Lacoste, Hilfiger, Ralph Lauren prices for non-branded clothes.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 7, 2021 18:48:29 GMT
Not sure about this Fos, I think many changes may be on the horizon. We do need to rethink global super nationals compared to local/ degrees of local.....an issues for every developed and developing country....to coin a phrase " despite Brexit ", or rather irrespective of Brexit Would be great if they sourced locally produced, but them opting to close rather than looking local speaks volumes imo. It's not like these firms haven't had the time to develop business continuity plans for this kind of situation. They would rather go cheap than source locally. This will only allow non British firms to take over UK markets even easier....and people will still buy shit produced in Asian sweat shops. Unfortunately over the last 50 years , within or without the EU , there have been changes/ job loses. Stores like Debenhams / the high street have got problems .....irrespective of Brexit. There's little point in blaming " Brexit " for anything and everything that is negative.......Irrespective of Brexit, we and most Western nations, and most developing countries have many issues facing them......Brexit simply means that the decisions and policies and accountability rests with Westminster not Brussels.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 7, 2021 18:49:52 GMT
Heart bleeds for the fuckers They’ve spent years exploiting the populace of south east Asia to produce cheap and not so cheap to the customer tat Whilst the British clothing industry has been run into the ground If it means that I’ve got to pay a couple of pound more for a T shirt that does less damage to the environment and employs there workers with proper conditions in this country Then it’s a bloody good thing So do you currently pay a couple of pounds more for ethically-sourced fairtrade T-shirts ? Where possible yes I do try to purchase ethically produce goods same as I try as hard as possible not to purchase goods from China or Israel
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Post by foster on Jan 7, 2021 18:54:42 GMT
Would be great if they sourced locally produced, but them opting to close rather than looking local speaks volumes imo. It's not like these firms haven't had the time to develop business continuity plans for this kind of situation. They would rather go cheap than source locally. This will only allow non British firms to take over UK markets even easier....and people will still buy shit produced in Asian sweat shops. Unfortunately over the last 50 years , within or without the EU , there have been changes/ job loses. Stores like Debenhams / the high street have got problems .....irrespective if Brexit. There's little point in blaming " Brexit " for anything and everything thst is negative.......Irrespective of Brexit, we and most Western nations, and most developing countries have many issues facing them......Brexit simply means that the decisions and policies and accountability rests with Westminster not Brussels. I'm not blaming Brexit here. I'm blaming the companies that choose not to go local and the people who prefer to buy cheap which leads those companies to take those decisions. Unless people are willing to change their buying habits, not many companies are going to risk bankrupting themselves by sourcing locally. However, there should be more in place to give companies an incentive to switch to locally produced. It looks to me like the problem could be that capabilities to produce locally just don't exist.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 7, 2021 18:57:19 GMT
Unfortunately over the last 50 years , within or without the EU , there have been changes/ job loses. Stores like Debenhams / the high street have got problems .....irrespective if Brexit. There's little point in blaming " Brexit " for anything and everything thst is negative.......Irrespective of Brexit, we and most Western nations, and most developing countries have many issues facing them......Brexit simply means that the decisions and policies and accountability rests with Westminster not Brussels. I'm not blaming Brexit here. I'm blaming the companies that choose not to go local and the people who prefer to buy cheap which leads those companies to take those decisions. Unless people are willing to change their buying habits, not many companies are going to risk bankrupting themselves by sourcing locally. However, there should be more in place to give companies an incentive to switch to locally produced. It looks to me like the problem could be that capabilities to produce locally just don't exist. Sorry then. Apologies Misunderstood. I agree then. If we genuinely want a better world for EVERYONE, there still remains many challenges ahead.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 7, 2021 19:07:47 GMT
So do you currently pay a couple of pounds more for ethically-sourced fairtrade T-shirts ? Where possible yes I do try to purchase ethically produce goods same as I try as hard as possible not to purchase goods from China or Israel Israel is not a perfect state, just as the UK isn't and I don't approve of the way Christians are not given equal rights to Jews. Nevertheless Israel is the only country where the citizens can be considered free and it is one of very few true democracies in the middle east. If we don't support Israel it is likely to be crushed by surrounding undemocratic countries. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Democracy%20Index,only%20democracy%20in%20North%20Africa.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 7, 2021 19:13:55 GMT
Where possible yes I do try to purchase ethically produce goods same as I try as hard as possible not to purchase goods from China or Israel Israel is not a perfect state, just as the UK isn't and I don't approve of the way Christians are not given equal rights to Jews. Nevertheless Israel is the only country where the citizens can be considered free and it is one of very few true democracies in the middle east. If we don't support Israel it is likely to be crushed by surrounding undemocratic countries. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Democracy%20Index,only%20democracy%20in%20North%20Africa. I can’t condemn china’s treatment of its Muslim minority And not take the same stand against Israel and its thieving of land and its treatment of Palestinians
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 7, 2021 19:37:17 GMT
I can’t condemn china’s treatment of its Muslim minority And not take the same stand against Israel and its thieving of land and its treatment of Palestinians There is a different point of view on whether Israel ever stole land. www.israeladvocacy.net/knowledge/the-truth-of-how-israel-was-created/israel-stole-palestinian-land/Palestinians have equal citizen rights, but represent only a small minority of the population so under the proportional representation system they have little influence.
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Post by foster on Jan 7, 2021 20:17:57 GMT
I can’t condemn china’s treatment of its Muslim minority And not take the same stand against Israel and its thieving of land and its treatment of Palestinians There is a different point of view on whether Israel ever stole land. www.israeladvocacy.net/knowledge/the-truth-of-how-israel-was-created/israel-stole-palestinian-land/Palestinians have equal citizen rights, but represent only a small minority of the population so under the proportional representation system they have little influence. He's talking about Palestine and how they're treated there. ...and I wouldn't expect a site run by Jewish people to admit that they stole land or totally oppress the Palestinians. "Israel Advocacy Movement (IAM) aims to establish a “mass movement” of Israeli advocates through training and mobilising a network of passionate supporters of Israel. IAM will develop teams of local volunteers and work with existing groups whose activities will be coordinated in national campaign to counter British hostility to Israel."
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Post by foster on Jan 7, 2021 20:24:38 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 7, 2021 20:33:51 GMT
I can’t condemn china’s treatment of its Muslim minority And not take the same stand against Israel and its thieving of land and its treatment of Palestinians There is a different point of view on whether Israel ever stole land. www.israeladvocacy.net/knowledge/the-truth-of-how-israel-was-created/israel-stole-palestinian-land/Palestinians have equal citizen rights, but represent only a small minority of the population so under the proportional representation system they have little influence. You’re kidding right?
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Post by foster on Jan 7, 2021 20:38:05 GMT
If he was, his name would be mrjoke
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 8, 2021 8:08:00 GMT
Just watching the one o’clock news I’m starting to worry we haven’t really left Ports are running smoothly Stock markets up nearly three percent The pound around the highest against the dollar in two years Where is the promised Armageddon I kept hearing about I’m beginning to feel cheated There you go, waga, looks like we have left after all... www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55583244
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 8, 2021 9:12:01 GMT
I can’t condemn china’s treatment of its Muslim minority And not take the same stand against Israel and its thieving of land and its treatment of Palestinians There is a different point of view on whether Israel ever stole land. www.israeladvocacy.net/knowledge/the-truth-of-how-israel-was-created/israel-stole-palestinian-land/Palestinians have equal citizen rights, but represent only a small minority of the population so under the proportional representation system they have little influence. Do you choose to believe that dangerous twaddle?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 8, 2021 10:08:10 GMT
Just watching the one o’clock news I’m starting to worry we haven’t really left Ports are running smoothly Stock markets up nearly three percent The pound around the highest against the dollar in two years Where is the promised Armageddon I kept hearing about I’m beginning to feel cheated There you go, waga, looks like we have left after all... www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55583244Minor teething problems Mark’s and spencer used to be a leading retailer in this country it’s clothes were made in the uk and were renowned for the quality of its clothes They decided years ago to purchase form outside the Eu for financial reasons and the quality has declined and others can sell the same tat cheaper Maybe the solution is to source more goods from the uk and Europe
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 8, 2021 10:31:54 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 8, 2021 11:23:48 GMT
Yes, but the one you've highlighted is eye-wateringly one-eyed and clearly has an agenda to push. You don't just treat all 'points of view' as if they have equal validity.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 8, 2021 11:59:37 GMT
Yes, but the one you've highlighted is eye-wateringly one-eyed and clearly has an agenda to push. You don't just treat all 'points of view' as if they have equal validity. OK Toxic, I'll post a link from the same organization Amnesty that criticized Israel in Foster's post. Please read. www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/I am not defending Israel's behaviour. I am simply trying to add balance. Israel was criticised for it's behaviour towards Palestinians; I am simply pointing out that those countries that surround Israel and wish to exterminate it, are less democratic, are just as harsh on Palestinian citizens, including Palestine's own governments, and their citizens have less freedom than Israeli citizens. How do you think Jews are treated in Syria? Only the Lebanon comes close to Israel in terms of democracy. Put it another way, if there is justification to not buy produce from Israel, there is greater justification not to buy from other middle east countries, which are far more illiberal (consider how women are treated) and far less democratic (consider countries rules by royalty). I am not being one eyed but putting the case for balance in making judgements.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 8, 2021 12:39:50 GMT
Minor teething problems Mark’s and spencer used to be a leading retailer in this country it’s clothes were made in the uk and were renowned for the quality of its clothes They decided years ago to purchase form outside the Eu for financial reasons and the quality has declined and others can sell the same tat cheaper Maybe the solution is to source more goods from the uk and Europe. An absence of "Armageddon" one minute, minor teething problems the next... Cake and eat it in full effect there, waga
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 8, 2021 12:51:47 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 8, 2021 12:54:26 GMT
Minor teething problems Mark’s and spencer used to be a leading retailer in this country it’s clothes were made in the uk and were renowned for the quality of its clothes They decided years ago to purchase form outside the Eu for financial reasons and the quality has declined and others can sell the same tat cheaper Maybe the solution is to source more goods from the uk and Europe. Armageddon or minor teething problems... Cake and eat it in full effect there, waga The only people who ever quoted Armageddon were from the remain side In a desperate attempt to convince people to vote remain As for having my cake and eat it I consider that yes I’ve got my cake but unfortunately the cherry which would of been no deal is missing Some of These minor teething issues seem to be about third country of origin Produce the goods in this country or Europe and the problem disappears More employment Less environmental damage Win win all round
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 8, 2021 13:01:55 GMT
Armageddon or minor teething problems... Cake and eat it in full effect there, waga The only people who ever quoted Armageddon were from the remain side In a desperate attempt to convince people to vote remain As for having my cake and eat it I consider that yes I’ve got my cake but unfortunately the cherry which would of been no deal is missing Some of These minor teething issues seem to be about third country of origin Produce the goods in this country or Europe and the problem disappears More employment Less environmental damage Win win all round Bollocks, don't remember anyone saying Armageddon other than yourself a few days ago to try to make a point about ports running smoothly a few days after New Year, when traffic was nothing like normal And now there are obvious problems, they're just just minor teething problems!
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 8, 2021 13:08:54 GMT
The only people who ever quoted Armageddon were from the remain side In a desperate attempt to convince people to vote remain As for having my cake and eat it I consider that yes I’ve got my cake but unfortunately the cherry which would of been no deal is missing Some of These minor teething issues seem to be about third country of origin Produce the goods in this country or Europe and the problem disappears More employment Less environmental damage Win win all round Bollocks, don't remember anyone saying Armageddon other than yourself a few days ago to try to make a point about ports running smoothly a few days after New Year, when traffic was nothing like normal And now there are obvious problems, they're just just minor teething problems! So you have no opinion on bringing back manufacturing to this country How do you explain some companies seem to have no problem with these forms yet others do
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 8, 2021 13:35:30 GMT
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Post by foster on Jan 8, 2021 13:56:23 GMT
Yes, but the one you've highlighted is eye-wateringly one-eyed and clearly has an agenda to push. You don't just treat all 'points of view' as if they have equal validity. OK Toxic, I'll post a link from the same organization Amnesty that criticized Israel in Foster's post. Please read. www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/I am not defending Israel's behaviour. I am simply trying to add balance. Israel was criticised for it's behaviour towards Palestinians; I am simply pointing out that those countries that surround Israel and wish to exterminate it, are less democratic, are just as harsh on Palestinian citizens, including Palestine's own governments, and their citizens have less freedom than Israeli citizens. How do you think Jews are treated in Syria? Only the Lebanon comes close to Israel in terms of democracy. Put it another way, if there is justification to not buy produce from Israel, there is greater justification not to buy from other middle east countries, which are far more illiberal (consider how women are treated) and far less democratic (consider countries rules by royalty). I am not being one eyed but putting the case for balance in making judgements. You do realise that Palestine is completely controlled by Israel? That they control what gets in, what gets out, whether they have electricity, food, etc. It's like you think Palestinians choose to be oppressed like that. As for buying from Israel or other ME countries. I'm not fussed about buying from either and would prefer to stay local or within Europe....for all goods trade.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 8, 2021 14:02:43 GMT
Maybe you should and remember a little harder, the comments you refer to were to northern ireland exporters in relation to the uk, the article talks of imports to the uk and exports from the rest of the uk. On the scottish seafood there are some queries as to why there are delays. The SNP making stuff up to stoke grievences got any scottish ancestory in your family tree sheiky ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 8, 2021 14:14:52 GMT
Maybe you should and remember a little harder, the comments you refer to were to northern ireland exporters in relation to the uk, the article talks of imports to the uk and exports from the rest of the uk. On the scottish seafood there are some queries as to why there are delays. The SNP making stuff up to stoke grievences got any scottish ancestory in your family tree sheiky ? I'm just glad we're getting rid of all that red tape and bureaucracy and taking back control as promised.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 8, 2021 14:41:43 GMT
OK Toxic, I'll post a link from the same organization Amnesty that criticized Israel in Foster's post. Please read. www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/I am not defending Israel's behaviour. I am simply trying to add balance. Israel was criticised for it's behaviour towards Palestinians; I am simply pointing out that those countries that surround Israel and wish to exterminate it, are less democratic, are just as harsh on Palestinian citizens, including Palestine's own governments, and their citizens have less freedom than Israeli citizens. How do you think Jews are treated in Syria? Only the Lebanon comes close to Israel in terms of democracy. Put it another way, if there is justification to not buy produce from Israel, there is greater justification not to buy from other middle east countries, which are far more illiberal (consider how women are treated) and far less democratic (consider countries rules by royalty). I am not being one eyed but putting the case for balance in making judgements. You do realise that Palestine is completely controlled by Israel? That they control what gets in, what gets out, whether they have electricity, food, etc. It's like you think Palestinians choose to be oppressed like that. As for buying from Israel or other ME countries. I'm not fussed about buying from either and would prefer to stay local or within Europe....for all goods trade. I thought that quote: "most of the West Bank is administered by Israel though 42% of it is under varying degrees of autonomous rule by the Fatah-run Palestinian Authority. The Gaza Strip is currently under the control of Hamas." Are you saying that is wrong? Which bit would you rather live in West Bank under the protection of Israel or under Hamas? Israel is in control and has "a tiger by the tail" which would seek to destroy it if it "let go". What would you do? I agree with your third point, generally, but think we should also buy from the third world to help their economies. As I live in the middle of North Yorkshire, I naturally support British farmers, but now we have left the EU we can steadily make deals with 100s of countries to get cheaper food where it suits us. Many of the 13,000 tariffs the EU has with the RoW are to protect mainland Europe countries not the UK. We should change things to our advantage. That can be done without damaging our own agriculture or lowering standards. www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2020/05/19/Brexit-does-UK-Global-Tariff-benefit-food-industry
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 8, 2021 16:19:27 GMT
Maybe you should and remember a little harder, the comments you refer to were to northern ireland exporters in relation to the uk, the article talks of imports to the uk and exports from the rest of the uk. On the scottish seafood there are some queries as to why there are delays. The SNP making stuff up to stoke grievences got any scottish ancestory in your family tree sheiky ? 'Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market' That was one of his wasn't it?
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