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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 17, 2020 11:52:52 GMT
So you link to an article proving my point thanks lol its not cars its car parts as I said....... The FTA agreement we had with the EU required the UK and other EU members to apply tariffs to keep out competition from other countries we will no longer have to do that, short term suppliers will come under pressure to absorb some or all of the cost of tariffs, medium to longer term supply chains and production will be rationalised / consolidated. Since you mention japan of course it wont make sense to ship parts to and from japan but then because of the EU free trade deal as well as the push to electric cars it sometime soon wont make sense to have parts or cars made in europe when they can be made in china or thailand with lower labour costs and shipped direct to EU so I would expect more parts to start coming direct from the parent companies. You should also bear in mind even if there is no deal at 31/12 and we leave that is not the end of it forever, a deal will be negotiated at some point after that. A car is made up of parts! How else do you make a car! A car manufacturer in the UK builds a car with parts going back and forth over the border to the EU. There will tariffs on doing that each and every time it crosses. A disaster for the car industry.
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 17, 2020 11:54:37 GMT
Steady on, you know you aren’t allowed to make meaningful comparisons. Brexit has to be shit and a disaster...it is the only reason for being for some and without the gloom, they would be even more sad.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 17, 2020 12:00:38 GMT
Steady on, you know you aren’t allowed to make meaningful comparisons. Brexit has to be shit and a disaster...it is the only reason for being for some and without the gloom, they would be even more sad. German foreign investment up 20bn in first 6 months of 2019 according to the link.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 17, 2020 12:18:50 GMT
World Bank external investment data paints a rather worrying picture for the UK already.
As % of GDP for 2019
EU 1.6 Fr 1.9 Ger 1.9 Gre 2.2 It 1.5 Port 3.5 Spn 0.8 Swe 4.6 Nor 3.4 US 1.6 UK 0.7
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2020 12:43:45 GMT
Steady on, you know you aren’t allowed to make meaningful comparisons. Brexit has to be shit and a disaster...it is the only reason for being for some and without the gloom, they would be even more sad. German foreign investment up 20bn in first 6 months of 2019 according to the link. Up, as well as Germany... Brazil, India and Sweden Down, as well as the UK... Netherlands, France, Italy, Australia Maybe you’d like to explain how Brexit explains the above?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2020 16:59:49 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 17, 2020 17:28:00 GMT
I just can’t understand why some of the more left wing posters on this board are so against brexit
This is a once in a lifetime chance to reset the country
It is a chance to revitalise costal communities with both a return to more fishing and free ports many of the communities being amongst the most deprived in the country
Animal welfare we can finally abolish the abhorrent live export of animals
And now this is the chance to return manufacturing to the country starting to make things that we currently import damaging the planet by both the transport and the production conditions in less environmentally aware countries maybe revitalising old manufacturing towns and cities
Will it be easy no will it cost in the near future yes but there is a bright blue future out there if we have the balls to grab it
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 17, 2020 17:43:08 GMT
I just can’t understand why some of the more left wing posters on this board are so against brexit This is a once in a lifetime chance to reset the country It is a chance to revitalise costal communities with both a return to more fishing and free ports many of the communities being amongst the most deprived in the country Animal welfare we can finally abolish the abhorrent live export of animals And now this is the chance to return manufacturing to the country starting to make things that we currently import damaging the planet by both the transport and the production conditions in less environmentally aware countries maybe revitalising old manufacturing towns and cities Will it be easy no will it cost in the near future yes but there is a bright blue future out there if we have the balls to grab it Lovely ideas, right enough. But no-one sensible thinks Brexit will make us wealthier as a country as a whole, it will make us poorer, certainly in the short to medium term, and possibly for some time after that. Even the Brexiteers on here acknowledge that. So all those things which cost money to do are unlikely to occur as a result of having less ability to deliver them. We may also be less attractive to external investment, as a result of increased friction in our trade arrangements, which again reduces the possibility to revitalise those old manufacturing towns etc. Also, we now have to re-write and forge new trade deals. At best, we have, so far, rolled over the conditions that prevailed in the existing EU deals with third countries, not improved standards through them. At worst, we might actually give away far too much (chlorinated chicken?) in order to secure deals these new deals in the first place. I think this is why the UK is desperate not to align itself with level playing field standards with the EU, as it knows it can't compete on those terms. I'd love to think you're right, but it strikes me the noises we've been hearing so far on food and environmental issues to start with are around loosening of existing standards, not increasing them. Which would be in line with having to make things cheaper to produce and manage as a result of being less well off generally.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 17, 2020 17:47:06 GMT
I just can’t understand why some of the more left wing posters on this board are so against brexit This is a once in a lifetime chance to reset the country It is a chance to revitalise costal communities with both a return to more fishing and free ports many of the communities being amongst the most deprived in the country I take it then you didn't read the link posted yesterday to the fishing industry highlighting its concerns about the threat the future trading conditions pose?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2020 17:53:50 GMT
I just can’t understand why some of the more left wing posters on this board are so against brexit This is a once in a lifetime chance to reset the country It is a chance to revitalise costal communities with both a return to more fishing and free ports many of the communities being amongst the most deprived in the country Animal welfare we can finally abolish the abhorrent live export of animals And now this is the chance to return manufacturing to the country starting to make things that we currently import damaging the planet by both the transport and the production conditions in less environmentally aware countries maybe revitalising old manufacturing towns and cities Will it be easy no will it cost in the near future yes but there is a bright blue future out there if we have the balls to grab it Absolutely Waga. Missed the opportunity of a generation. No connection with the working class. Its simple really....but they dare not admit it now. A clear commitment to " get Brexit dobe" would have exposed Boris and taken the rug under the feet of Farage. ( and add abolishment of the House of Lords to the agenda)
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2020 18:30:18 GMT
'Landing zones' for Brexit trade deal are in sight, says Irish prime ministerI’m struggling to read the mood music on the state of a trade deal. “Britain and the EU have identified the “landing zones” to finally strike the Brexit trade deal, Ireland’s prime minister said on Tuesday, as Boris Johnson warned Cabinet that talks could still fail. The finalised zero tariff trade agreement could be announced as soon as Monday, Brussels sources said, but only if the UK made compromises.”
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 17, 2020 19:23:07 GMT
I just can’t understand why some of the more left wing posters on this board are so against brexit This is a once in a lifetime chance to reset the country It is a chance to revitalise costal communities with both a return to more fishing and free ports many of the communities being amongst the most deprived in the country Animal welfare we can finally abolish the abhorrent live export of animals And now this is the chance to return manufacturing to the country starting to make things that we currently import damaging the planet by both the transport and the production conditions in less environmentally aware countries maybe revitalising old manufacturing towns and cities Will it be easy no will it cost in the near future yes but there is a bright blue future out there if we have the balls to grab it What’s prevented us doing any of the above whilst in the EU? Fishing is the only one. I am not left wing. Never voted labour.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 17, 2020 19:26:29 GMT
German foreign investment up 20bn in first 6 months of 2019 according to the link. Up, as well as Germany... Brazil, India and Sweden Down, as well as the UK... Netherlands, France, Italy, Australia Maybe you’d like to explain how Brexit explains the above? Sorry I don’t understand what you are asking.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 17, 2020 19:28:15 GMT
I just can’t understand why some of the more left wing posters on this board are so against brexit This is a once in a lifetime chance to reset the country It is a chance to revitalise costal communities with both a return to more fishing and free ports many of the communities being amongst the most deprived in the country Animal welfare we can finally abolish the abhorrent live export of animals And now this is the chance to return manufacturing to the country starting to make things that we currently import damaging the planet by both the transport and the production conditions in less environmentally aware countries maybe revitalising old manufacturing towns and cities Will it be easy no will it cost in the near future yes but there is a bright blue future out there if we have the balls to grab it Absolutely Waga. Missed the opportunity of a generation. No connection with the working class. Its simple really....but they dare not admit it now. A clear commitment to " get Brexit dobe" would have exposed Boris and taken the rug under the feet of Farage. ( and add abolishment of the House of Lords to the agenda) I would ask we haven’t done all of the above whilst in the EU. Nothing stopping us. Fishing is the only one but that is only a tiny part of our economy. Why do you think we are more likely to do all of the above outside the EU? We aren’t. We are more likely to join the race to the bottom.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 17, 2020 19:31:46 GMT
I just can’t understand why some of the more left wing posters on this board are so against brexit This is a once in a lifetime chance to reset the country It is a chance to revitalise costal communities with both a return to more fishing and free ports many of the communities being amongst the most deprived in the country Animal welfare we can finally abolish the abhorrent live export of animals And now this is the chance to return manufacturing to the country starting to make things that we currently import damaging the planet by both the transport and the production conditions in less environmentally aware countries maybe revitalising old manufacturing towns and cities Will it be easy no will it cost in the near future yes but there is a bright blue future out there if we have the balls to grab it Lovely ideas, right enough. But no-one sensible thinks Brexit will make us wealthier as a country as a whole, it will make us poorer, certainly in the short to medium term, and possibly for some time after that. Even the Brexiteers on here acknowledge that. So all those things which cost money to do are unlikely to occur as a result of having less ability to deliver them. We may also be less attractive to external investment, as a result of increased friction in our trade arrangements, which again reduces the possibility to revitalise those old manufacturing towns etc. Also, we now have to re-write and forge new trade deals. At best, we have, so far, rolled over the conditions that prevailed in the existing EU deals with third countries, not improved standards through them. At worst, we might actually give away far too much (chlorinated chicken?) in order to secure deals these new deals in the first place. I think this is why the UK is desperate not to align itself with level playing field standards with the EU, as it knows it can't compete on those terms. I'd love to think you're right, but it strikes me the noises we've been hearing so far on food and environmental issues to start with are around loosening of existing standards, not increasing them. Which would be in line with having to make things cheaper to produce and manage as a result of being less well off generally. We have many EU trade deals to rollover still. Plus we could have done everything waga mentioned whilst in the eu. No reason we will do it out of the EU. Plus if we were going to have better standard than the EU the level playing field issue wouldn’t be an issue! You are spot on about being poorer after brexit
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 17, 2020 19:37:23 GMT
I just can’t understand why some of the more left wing posters on this board are so against brexit This is a once in a lifetime chance to reset the country It is a chance to revitalise costal communities with both a return to more fishing and free ports many of the communities being amongst the most deprived in the country Animal welfare we can finally abolish the abhorrent live export of animals And now this is the chance to return manufacturing to the country starting to make things that we currently import damaging the planet by both the transport and the production conditions in less environmentally aware countries maybe revitalising old manufacturing towns and cities Will it be easy no will it cost in the near future yes but there is a bright blue future out there if we have the balls to grab it What’s prevented us doing any of the above whilst in the EU? Fishing is the only one. I am not left wing. Never voted labour. I may be wrong and am on occasion I have always been led to believe we can’t ban live export of animals whilst in the Eu As for free ports and revitalising manufacturing it will need government money well beyond current Eu rules
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2020 19:38:44 GMT
Absolutely Waga. Missed the opportunity of a generation. No connection with the working class. Its simple really....but they dare not admit it now. A clear commitment to " get Brexit dobe" would have exposed Boris and taken the rug under the feet of Farage. ( and add abolishment of the House of Lords to the agenda) I would ask we haven’t done all of the above whilst in the EU. Nothing stopping us. Fishing is the only one but that is only a tiny part of our economy. Why do you think we are more likely to do all of the above outside the EU? We aren’t. We are more likely to join the race to the bottom. Aye, we don't have to be in the EU to do all the above.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2020 19:39:52 GMT
Up, as well as Germany... Brazil, India and Sweden Down, as well as the UK... Netherlands, France, Italy, Australia Maybe you’d like to explain how Brexit explains the above? Sorry I don’t understand what you are asking. Previously you’d attributed the relative poor performance of Britain compared to Germany to Brexit. I’m asking you to explain how Brexit relates to the performance of these other countries relative to Britain.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 17, 2020 21:09:40 GMT
What’s prevented us doing any of the above whilst in the EU? Fishing is the only one. I am not left wing. Never voted labour. I may be wrong and am on occasion I have always been led to believe we can’t ban live export of animals whilst in the Eu As for free ports and revitalising manufacturing it will need government money well beyond current Eu rules News to me if there is a ban on increasing animal welfare! We don’t maximise allowable state aid now
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 17, 2020 21:12:36 GMT
Sorry I don’t understand what you are asking. Previously you’d attributed the relative poor performance of Britain compared to Germany to Brexit. I’m asking you to explain how Brexit relates to the performance of these other countries relative to Britain. I said that Britain will be hit much harder by brexit than Germany, as it will any individual member state. I’ll also said that brexit is used on that website as a reason for poor foreign investment compared with previous years for UK and Germany and that being in the EU is one of the big positives for Germany.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 17, 2020 21:13:08 GMT
I would ask we haven’t done all of the above whilst in the EU. Nothing stopping us. Fishing is the only one but that is only a tiny part of our economy. Why do you think we are more likely to do all of the above outside the EU? We aren’t. We are more likely to join the race to the bottom. Aye, we don't have to be in the EU to do all the above. But why would we do it now when we could already but haven’t!?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2020 21:41:16 GMT
Aye, we don't have to be in the EU to do all the above. But why would we do it now when we could already but haven’t!? Dunno Oggy. I can't predict what will happen in the future. In June 2016 we voted to leave the EU though. Let's hope democracy prevails....and is respected....and in terms of trade the best is done by the politicians for ordinary people in the UK.......and in Europe.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2020 21:48:07 GMT
An eventful life. Nine children, two by the age of 16. Lifelong health problems.
White's brother Darryl was murdered in a clash with a rival gang in 1983,[9] and White himself was jailed for four months at the age of 16 for stealing $30,000 worth of Cadillac tires.[10] While in jail, he listened to Elvis Presley singing "It's Now or Never" on the radio,[11] an experience he later credited with changing the course of his life.[12]
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2020 22:03:34 GMT
Glen had 9 children as well.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 17, 2020 22:54:51 GMT
Glen had 9 children as well. Despite brexit
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 18, 2020 6:24:14 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 18, 2020 7:32:16 GMT
Previously you’d attributed the relative poor performance of Britain compared to Germany to Brexit. I’m asking you to explain how Brexit relates to the performance of these other countries relative to Britain. I said that Britain will be hit much harder by brexit than Germany, as it will any individual member state. I’ll also said that brexit is used on that website as a reason for poor foreign investment compared with previous years for UK and Germany and that being in the EU is one of the big positives for Germany. You seem to suffer from selective memory as well as selective quoting. Your original point was that Brexit was an FDI disaster for the UK. Period. You subsequently cited Germany but as an example of the EU as a whole. German inflows of investment increasing by over 20 bn in the first half of 2019. Plus many of their strengths linked to being in the EU. On both german and English pages it links a fall in investment to brexit. So to say the reduction is not due to brexit is ridiculous. Any non-EU company, like the japanese investment in the UK in the 80s, was investing not fir the UK market of 60mill consumers, but for the EU market of 500million. Brexit is very harmful to foreign investment. If i own a business and I have the choice of setting up an HQ for the UK market or the EU market i would be more tempted by the much larger EU market. Obviously many other factors play a part. There is no economic argument for brexit, on either side. But, Germany is not representative of the EU as a whole. So, if Brexit is driving FDI performance and explains why Germany is up while Britain is down, could you please explain how Brexit is affecting FDI reductions in France, Italy and the Netherlands.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 18, 2020 20:19:40 GMT
But why would we do it now when we could already but haven’t!? Dunno Oggy. I can't predict what will happen in the future. In June 2016 we voted to leave the EU though. Let's hope democracy prevails....and is respected....and in terms of trade the best is done by the politicians for ordinary people in the UK.......and in Europe. If we leave without being a member of the single market and custons union we are betraying the will of the people because that’s what the official vote leave website said we would do
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 18, 2020 20:22:50 GMT
I said that Britain will be hit much harder by brexit than Germany, as it will any individual member state. I’ll also said that brexit is used on that website as a reason for poor foreign investment compared with previous years for UK and Germany and that being in the EU is one of the big positives for Germany. You seem to suffer from selective memory as well as selective quoting. Your original point was that Brexit was an FDI disaster for the UK. Period. You subsequently cited Germany but as an example of the EU as a whole. German inflows of investment increasing by over 20 bn in the first half of 2019. Plus many of their strengths linked to being in the EU. On both german and English pages it links a fall in investment to brexit. So to say the reduction is not due to brexit is ridiculous. Any non-EU company, like the japanese investment in the UK in the 80s, was investing not fir the UK market of 60mill consumers, but for the EU market of 500million. Brexit is very harmful to foreign investment. If i own a business and I have the choice of setting up an HQ for the UK market or the EU market i would be more tempted by the much larger EU market. Obviously many other factors play a part. There is no economic argument for brexit, on either side. But, Germany is not representative of the EU as a whole. So, if Brexit is driving FDI performance and explains why Germany is up while Britain is down, could you please explain how Brexit is affecting FDI reductions in France, Italy and the Netherlands. My original point was how leaving without a deal will be bad for many reason, 1 of which being foreign investment. The website you and I quoted attributes poor foreign investment in both England and Germany partly due to brexit, but it cites several positives for Germany (big upturn in foreign investment at the start of 2019 I believe) which directly refer it its membership of the EU. I haven’t looked at other countries. Foreign investment is one of many reasons brexit is bad for the country.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 18, 2020 20:35:06 GMT
Dunno Oggy. I can't predict what will happen in the future. In June 2016 we voted to leave the EU though. Let's hope democracy prevails....and is respected....and in terms of trade the best is done by the politicians for ordinary people in the UK.......and in Europe. If we leave without being a member of the single market and custons union we are betraying the will of the people because that’s what the official vote leave website said we would do More bollocks the official vote leave website said no such thing, you can not be a member of the single market if you are not in the EU, we will hsve access to the single market just every country in the world apart from north korea.
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